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[bob3141]

you might as well tell us. You been caught out in lie and pushed on player that you claimed to have guility on. Onyl for him to flip town

[bob3141]

game is certainly on the big side and slow.

Garmr you are aware there is only 2 players voting you and one of them is cliff. People might be scum reading but few have you placed higher than cliff

[bob3141]

Garmr if you are town you are aware that of those 6 names atleast 2 are prob scum. And its to be expected every once in a while to be scum read by few players. Even if they are confirmed town

[bob3141]

Only night 3

[bob3141]

why do you need answer. After you did say you vended fruit n1 to jjd

[bob3141]

well carc can be taken of that lest as he claims ascetic mason and his mason partner died.

So Carc could never have received fruit

So its only kop and rick left in that list of yours

[bob3141]

The only person i would be voting to lynch this day is cliff. I dont like how billy is trying to push teh lynch away from cliff. Billy confirmed town only works if cliff flips town. If he flips scum then it all depends why scum sent fruit to billy. Eitehr billy is town and they were looking for vt. So they could kill pr or to try and pass him off as town.

If billy is town teh logical thing would be to lynch cliff. As that woudl add 2 confirmed townies to carc and dave. With hight liekly town profii.

As opposed to keeping someone who simply cant be trusted. Cliff has speant all of this day trying to distract us from JJD guilty on him.

[bob3141]

I see a few players keep putting out outlandish ideas why but simplist reason is simply said he got fruit not knowing that jjd was disloyal. I cant see any reason in such situation town would ever lie.

If cliff didnt get anythign he would never of said he got fruit. He woudl of said he got no nothing. If jjd was scum even if he got cliff lynched he woudl of been caught out once cliff flipped

[bob3141]

If we have vig in the game. They should shoot tonight that way we can verify there could be vig in the deck.

[bob3141]

Is there a benefit to mass claim prior to dealing with cliff?

At the moment given the tracker died last night, I am target number 1 I'd guess... we do have a doctor claim so scum have to consider that, therefore a mass claim probably makes the docs job harder / scum choices better

Could be worthwhile mass claiming next day but think it migth be best for us not mass claim until after cliffs lynch.

[bob3141]

Titus is someone you never leave for last. I figure a lot of people know that but just to be sure it's out there.

My analysis of day one votes prety much marks titus out as scum.

All day he voted for elementis. From the 12th to teh 18th. Never movign off . Was teh one taht joined after cliff (100 posts) latter.

Then when the lynch happends he parts his vote on cliff. Only after his wagon long since died. He never even tried to push cliff even though he was now claiming he didnt like elemtes flash wagon even though he had been on it that wagon for 6-7 days

So he only unvoted when elmentes lynch became near certain. As i can see that the last 5 voters were town. Before that was even and that another town.

When he voted for cliff he says he doesnt want to join flash wagon even though thats on aaron. So he votes for cliff and never says anything more until elemtesis hammers himself and he then votes elementes

looks very much like vanity vote that he parked on cliff. If they do as i think both flip town. I wonder what this means for aaron. Is aaron scum or did titus just want to get on vanity wagon

[bob3141]

I cc the porn star

I am a fruit detecting detective, I checked you night 0. You're a vendor, not an eater. Oh and I'm also an alien.

my gut is also telling me that titus is actual the scum fruit vendor.

Cliff a good and titus teh fruit vendor

[bob3141]

cliff was prob hunting my role. why I said it prob doesnt hurt with so many outed pr already when i said i got fruit.

I was trying to fish if my role was VT in day 2. Even though it was well know billy had calimed vt. He went about asking if it was mw that claimed vt. Looked very odd at teh time and felt to me liek scum fishing if i was vt too. So they could narrow down and night actions.

[bob3141]

Reaming players after cliff lynch.

Garmr, Hopk, billy, aaron, texcat, titus, billy, kop, eve, Hectic, Rick, Bob

dave and carc confirmed . Proffii nearly confirmed he might even catch scum in action.

Now rick claimed doc and we do have evidance for one, unless macho are red hearing.

Garmr, Hopk, billy, aaron, texcat, titus, billy, kop, eve, Hectic, , Bob

I cant see titus being town. so if cliff is scum thats upto 3 in that pool left.

Garmr, Hopk, billy, aaron, texcat, billy, kop, eve, Hectic, , Bob

Hectic i think is towna nd i know im town

Garmr, Hopk, billy, aaron, texcat, , kop, eve,

thats upto 3 in 7

[bob3141]

Going to start makign day 2 and 3 vote counts so i can analysis teh remaining poe using them.

[bob3141]

But from the lack of posts since day one. And kop complete lack scum hunting. Think he just prety much sat on aaron most of that day.

Was absent most of day 2 (VLA). No vote day 3 but it did only last 3 days.


But only one post in the last 3 days. So from what little we have ( his day one0

I do think kops a strong candidate for a 3rd scum

leaving up to 2 scum left.

If cliff, titus, kop are scum then i think there interactions with aaron look highly suspicous.

So if they are my instincts are telling me he is 4th.

If there is another mafia as. Ive see some sayign the game could have upto 6 mafia with traitor beign one.

Not to sure who i think is last one

[bob3141]

raw day 2 vc's

26th

Tchill13 - (4): - gobbledygook, Garmr, Billy Pilgrim, Hopkirk, cliff (2093)
bob4131 - (2): - profii, Alonzo
JJD - Rick(2101)


27th

Tchill13 - (4): - gobbledygook, Garmr, Billy Pilgrim, Hopkirk, cliff (2093)
bob4131 - (2): - profii, Alonzo
Cliff- tchill (2151)
Hopk - Aaron (2214), garmr (2216)
Garmr- texcat (2285)
Texcat - garmr (2329)

Unvote - Rick(2136)

28th

Tchill13 - (4): - gobbledygook,, Billy Pilgrim, Hopkirk, cliff (2093), Titus (2355), Hectic (2398)
bob4131 - (2): - profii, Alonzo
Cliff- tchill (2151)
Hopk - Aaron (2214),
Garmr- texcat (2285)
Texcat - garmr (2329)

Unvote - Rick(2136)

29th

Tchill13 - (4): - gobbledygook,, Billy Pilgrim, Hopkirk, cliff (2093), Titus (2355), Hectic (2398) , garmr (2428)
bob4131 - (2): - profii, Alonzo
Cliff- tchill (2151), carc (2484)
Hopk - Aaron (2214),
Garmr- texcat (2285)
Texcat - garmr (2329)
Eve- JJD (2490), Rick (2510), billy (2516)

Unvote - Rick(2136)- garmr (2427)

30th

Tchill13 - (4): - gobbledygook,, Billy Pilgrim, Hopkirk, cliff (2093), Titus (2355), Hectic (2398) , garmr (2428)
bob4131 - (2): - profii, Alonzo
Cliff- tchill (2151), carc (2484)
Hopk - Aaron (2214),
Garmr- texcat (2285)
Texcat -
Eve- JJD (2490), Rick (2510), billy (2516), bob (2535), aaron (2586)
Rick- carc (2595)
Aaron - bob (2602)

Unvote -

1st

Tchill13 - (4): - gobbledygook,, Billy Pilgrim, Hopkirk, cliff (2093), Titus (2355), Hectic (2398) , garmr (2428) , billy (2641)
bob4131 - (2): - profii, Alonzo
Cliff- tchill (2151),
Hopk -
Garmr- texcat (2285)
Texcat -
Eve- JJD (2490), Rick (2510), billy (2516), , aaron (2586), texcat (2618)
Rick- carc (2595)
Aaron - bob (2602) , billy (2639)

Unvote -

2nd

Tchill13 - (4): - gobbledygook,, Billy Pilgrim, Hopkirk, cliff (2093), Titus (2355), Hectic (2398) , garmr (2428) , billy (2641), alonzo (2653)
bob4131 - (2): - profii, Alonzo
Cliff- tchill (2151),
Hopk -
Garmr- tchill (2679), alonzo (2717)
Texcat -
Eve- JJD (2490), Rick (2510), , , aaron (2586), texcat (2618)
Rick- carc (2595)
Aaron - bob (2602) ,

Unvote - carc (2708), alonzo (2715)

3nd

Tchill13 - (4): - gobbledygook,, Billy Pilgrim, Hopkirk, cliff (2093), Titus (2355), Hectic (2398) , garmr (2428) , billy (2641),
bob4131 - (2): - profii,
Cliff-
Hopk - tchill (2838)
Garmr- tchill (2679), alonzo (2717) , dave (2784), texcat (2788)
Texcat -
Eve- JJD (2490), Rick (2510), , , aaron (2586), texcat (2618),
Rick- carc (2595)
Aaron - bob (2602) ,
Alonzo - cliff (2759), bob (2806), garmr (2808)
Dave - garmr (2795)


Unvote - carc (2708), garmr (2764)

4th

Tchill13 - (4): -, Hopkirk, , Titus (2355), Hectic (2398) , , billy (2641),
bob4131 - (2): - profii, alonzo (2903)

Hopk - tchill (2838)
Garmr-), alonzo (2717) , dave (2784), texcat (2788)
Eve- JJD (2490), Rick (2510), aaron (2586), gooble (2867)
Alonzo - cliff (2759), bob (2806), garmr (2808), proffii (2925)
Gooble - hopk (2911)
Proffii - alonzo (2929)
JJD - carc (2925) ,


Unvote - carc (2708), alonzo (2881), hopk (2906), JJD (2924)

5th

Tchill13 - (4): - Titus (2355), Hectic (2398) , , billy (2641),
bob4131 - (2): - profii,
Hopk - tchill (2838)
Garmr-), alonzo (2717) , dave (2784), texcat (2788)
Eve- , Rick (2510), aaron (2586), gooble (2867)
Alonzo - cliff (2759), bob (2806), garmr (2808), proffii (2925) , JJD (2937), aaron (2978)
Gooble - hopk (2911)
Proffii - alonzo (2929)
JJD - carc (2925) , titus (2945)
Titus - eve (2971),


Unvote - , JJD (2924)

6th

Tchill13 - (4): -, Titus (2355), Hectic (2398) , , billy (2641),
Hopk - tchill (2838)
Garmr-), , dave (2784), texcat (2788)
Eve- , Rick (2510), , gooble (2867)
Alonzo - cliff (2759), bob (2806), garmr (2808), proffii (2925) , JJD (2937), aaron (2978), titus (2991),
Gooble - hopk (2911)
JJD - carc (2925) , titus (2945)
Titus - eve (2971), alonzo (2981)
Aaron - Hopkirk (3007)


Unvote - , JJD (2924)

7th

Tchill13 - (4): - , Hectic (2398) , , alonzo (3055)
Hopk - tchill (2838) , dave (3066) , cliff (3112)
Garmr-), , dave (2784), texcat (2788)
Eve- , Rick (2510), , gooble (2867)
Alonzo - cliff (2759), bob (2806), garmr (2808), proffii (2925) , JJD (2937), aaron (2978), titus (2991), billy (3025)
JJD - carc (2925) , titus (2945)
Titus - eve (2971), alonzo (2981)
Aaron - Hopkirk (3007)
Kop- Hopkirk (3064)
Cliff - Hopkirk (3091)


Unvote - , JJD (2924)

8th

Tchill13 - (4): - , Hectic (2398) , , alonzo (3055)
Hopk - tchill (2838) , dave (3066) , cliff (3112) , alonzo (3167)
Garmr-), , texcat (2788)
Eve- , Rick (2510), , gooble (2867), hopkirk (3186), texcat (3225)
Alonzo - , bob (2806), garmr (2808), proffii (2925) , JJD (2937), aaron (2978), titus (2991), billy (3025),
JJD - carc (2925) ,
Titus - eve (2971),
Cliff - Hopkirk (3091)


Unvote - , JJD (2924)

9th
Tchill13 - (4): - , Hectic (2398) , , alonzo (3055)
Hopk - tchill (2838) , dave (3066) , cliff (3112) , alonzo (3167)
Garmr-), , texcat (2788)
Eve- , Rick (2510), , gooble (2867), hopkirk (3186), texcat (3225)
Alonzo - , bob (2806), garmr (2808), proffii (2925) , JJD (2937), aaron (2978), titus (2991), billy (3025), gooble (3248), dave (3253) , cliff (3262)
JJD - carc (2925) ,
Titus - eve (2971),
Cliff - Hopkirk (3091)


Unvote - , JJD (2924)

[bob3141]

The only person i would be voting to lynch this day is cliff. I dont like how billy is trying to push teh lynch away from cliff. Billy confirmed town only works if cliff flips town. If he flips scum then it all depends why scum sent fruit to billy. Eitehr billy is town and they were looking for vt. So they could kill pr or to try and pass him off as town.

If billy is town teh logical thing would be to lynch cliff. As that woudl add 2 confirmed townies to carc and dave. With hight liekly town profii.

As opposed to keeping someone who simply cant be trusted. Cliff has speant all of this day trying to distract us from JJD guilty on him.

if you're VT and you have fruit from me then why are you skeptical of billy?

unless you think I'm not a scum!simple, disloyal FV

or think that somehow scum!billy had a scum tracker track town!me to him for his fruit receive "soft" (why would I of all people be tracked on n2)

and I never received fruit from JJD. I understand it's my fault that it even keeps coming up but how am I trying to distract town from that when I am advocating for my own lynch

Plain and simple i think your scum. Thus there is no solid clear on me and billy.

If you are town which i doubt then you flip does confirm me and billy

[bob3141]

Thats not a clear and dangerous to think so.

I got fruit night 3 and didnt get fruit night 2. JJd said he sent me fruit nigth 2 and cliff nigth 3
Billy claims to have got fruit night 2. Cliff claism to have sent fruit night 2.

No doubt when cliff flips scum. Who is to say one nigth he didnt send scum to his scum buddy or not at all. Thus based on cliffs actions neither me or billy are confirmed. We could be both me town and cliff was hunting to fidn who is vt so they can find pr's. Or billy coudl be scum. If bily is town he shoudl be thinking the same. Thus dangerous to assume we are both cleared.

p.s. missed nt in there. I do far to many typos lol

[bob3141]

Usual i dont spot the typo's before i post

[bob3141]

i think we shoudl mass claim the next day.

Give a chance for any vig to shoot while any vig is anonymous so they can get a second kill the next night.

Giving us 2 pure town kills 2 chances to lynch scum vs 2 pure scum kill

[bob3141]

So if we do have vig you should def shoot tonight.

[bob3141]

If we get scum to night its definitely worth any vig takign shot. That way he becomes confirmed when there is second nigth kill. and at worst we still have one mislynch and one mylo before lylo.


If the unlikely happens and cliff is town then we have batch of 5 either confirmed townies or near confirmed and oen claimed doc.

Leaving 8 players one of which would be vig. If there is one and if other are rigth and there is 5 scum. Then vig has 5/7 chance of hittign scum

[bob3141]

I think cliff had already hammered himself

[bob3141]

CLiff migth actualy still be at l-1. Went through teh day and thast what i found


Cliff- bob, aaron ,titus, carc,, hectic, texcat, cliff

[bob3141]

Who claimed cop

[bob3141]

we have dave who is mod confirmed

[bob3141]

An Announcement:

davesaz is

aligned with town

[bob3141]

Dave is an IC

[bob3141]

Mod made an announcement that dave was aligned with town. Think it was at the start of the day. I assume that means his role is IC

[bob3141]

Which players havnt made role claim yet

[bob3141]

I do hope we can find a replacement for kop. Everyone be active so any potential applicants wont be turned off teh game

[bob3141]

cliff flipping scum pretty much clears me as town.

Would like to see your reasoning. As im realy not sure cliff flipping scum makes it more or less likely your scum

[bob3141]

Profi go over the first things gooble said to you in your nieghbour thread. And when abouts all these discusions happened

[bob3141]

Shit happened, I was way wrong on my jjd read and thought he was pulling a gambit on me because honestly what the FUCK are the odds that 2 fruit vendors target each other on night one

I thought he knew something that I didn't, thought he was pulling some cheeky shit on me especially given his 50 claim changes, and screwed up. Call it a gamethrow if you want but at least I was productive this phase. It's just that none of you people ever wanted to even consider anything I said

See now I'm not voting you again

It was really confusing as to why you were not chasing the JJD "guilty" after N1 but decided to do it later

You didnt admit you were loyal at first but obviously afte the n1 result JJD can just be a town PR (obviously he was)

Then you got into the bit where you both claimed fruit so as you say here fuck 2 fruit vendors - maybe my result is a guilty

Obviously it backfired and there was a point in twilight where you kinda realised and seem genuinely remorseful


It now makes sense


Hard not voting cliff here

In fact fuck it

VOTE: kop

Let's go krazy (with a K, for kop)

Why arnt you voting cliff. Why do you want to go after lurker slot.

[bob3141]

A quick question but for goobles role flip have been Mafia Traitor Rolecop Neighbor must he have been a neighor at the start of the game.

[bob3141]

I went over the vote history and noticed that hopk is very suspect.

I remember when i found a poe pool on teh rooster wagon and he moved to dismiss it. Of the 4 only one now is alive and thats kop.

He has been on nearly every mislynch

He was even on cliff wagon day 2. Got upto 7 votes and of which only 2 are either not confirmed or dead. I would of expected atleast one scum to be on wagon the size of 2. Only those left undetermined are hopkirk and hectic

[bob3141]

Day 2 wagons

26th

Tchill13 - (5): - gobbledygook, Garmr, Billy Pilgrim, Hopkirk, cliff (2093)

Tchill13 - (5): - traitor, Garmr, t, Hopkirk, t(2093)

only garmr and hopkirk left on the 26th.

[bob3141]

goign to be few of these sorting through raw data here

[bob3141]

but while i do that i will repost day one with flips and confirmed

[bob3141]

10th gobble/roster (5): t, t, Kop, t, t

12thCliff (7) - t(1065), Hopkirk(1071), t (1075) , t (1090), t(1092), t (1097), Hectic (1142),

13th Cliff (7)- , Hopkirk(1071), t(1075) , t(1090), t(1092), t(1097), Hectic (1142), t(1210)


13th Elements - (5): Aaron, t(1086), titus (1168), RD (1169), t (1329)

15th Cliff (3)- , t(1092), t(1097), Hectic (1142),
15th Elements - (6): Aaron ,t (1086), titus (1168), RD (1169), t(a) (1329), Hopkirk (1401)
16th Elements - (5):,t (1086), titus (1168), alonzo (1329), Hopkirk (1401) , rick (1479)
17th Elements - (5): ,t (1086), titus (1168), alonzo (1329), , rick (1479), garmr (1674) ,
18th tchill -Tchill - , t(1692), Hopkirk (1698) , garmr (1733) , , b (1748), t (1752) , t(1805)
18th Tchill - , t(1692), Hopkirk (1698) , garmr (1733) , , t(b) (1748), t , t
19th cliff (3) Hectic (1142),) ,, s(t) (1729),) , titus (1773)

Elements - (11): t, Rick Dalton, t, AaronFrost, t, EeveeLution Army, t(b), t, t, t, t

[bob3141]

rick has claimed doc with no counter claim. We have macho so must be some sort of protective in the deck. Macho would have no effect for scum doc as scum would know who is scum. So rick is highly likely town

[bob3141]

Kop, EeveeLution Army, rick, hectic , titus, Hopkirk, Garmr ,AaronFrost,texcat

Thats 9 players not flipped or some level of confirmation. now minus likely doc

Kop, EeveeLution Army, hectic , titus, Hopkirk, Garmr ,AaronFrost,texcat.

Thats 8 of which we have up to 5 scum

[bob3141]

i also believe aaronfrost is scum. But in your own words you said that cliff must be scum otherwise one of you and hectic would have to be scum. Only 2 not flipped players on cliff. And that was when proffi ahdnt fliped yet

[bob3141]

as in day 2 wagon i think it was. migth have been 3

[bob3141]

we had soft doc claim i believe.

[bob3141]

26th

Tchill13 - (4): - S(t), Garmr, t, Hopkirk, t
JJD - Rick(2101)


27th

Tchill13 - (4): - S(t),, t, Hopkirk, t
Hopk - Aaron (2214),
Garmr- texcat (2285)
Texcat - garmr (2329)


28th



30th

Tchill13 - (6): - S(t),,, Hopkirk, t, Titus (2355), Hectic (2398) , garmr (2428)
Garmr- texcat (2285)
Eve- t, Rick (2510), t, , aaron (2586)


2nd

Tchill13 - (6): - S(t),, Hopkirk, t, Titus (2355), Hectic (2398) , garmr (2428) , t
Eve (4)- t, Rick (2510), , , aaron (2586), texcat (2618)


3nd

Tchill13 - (5): - S(t),,, Hopkirk, , Titus (2355), Hectic (2398) , , t,
Garmr- ,t ,t, texcat (2788)
Eve- , Rick (2510), , , aaron (2586),
Alonzo - t, b, garmr (2808)


8th

Tchill13 - (4): - , Hectic (2398) , ,
Hopk - t , t , t ,t
Eve- , Rick (2510), , S(t), hopkirk (3186), texcat (3225)
Alonzo - , b, garmr (2808), t ,t, aaron (2978), titus (2991), t
Titus - eve (2971),


9th
Tchill13 - (4): - , Hectic (2398) , ,
Eve- , Rick (2510), , , hopkirk (3186), texcat (3225)
Alonzo - , b, garmr (2808), t , t, aaron (2978), titus (2991), t, S(t), t , t
Titus - eve (2971),

[bob3141]

note worthy wagons

Tchill13 - (4): - S(t),, t, Hopkirk, t
Tchill13 - (6): - S(t),, Hopkirk, t, Titus (2355), Hectic (2398) , garmr (2428) , t
Alonzo - , b, garmr (2808), t , t, aaron (2978), titus (2991), t, S(t), t , t
Eve- , Rick (2510), , S(t), hopkirk (3186), texcat (3225)
Alonzo - , b, garmr (2808), t , t, aaron (2978), titus (2991), t, S(t), t , t

[bob3141]

above day 2

below day one

12thCliff (7) - t(1065), Hopkirk(1071), t (1075) , t (1090), t(1092), t (1097), Hectic (1142),

13th Cliff (7)- , Hopkirk(1071), t(1075) , t(1090), t(1092), t(1097), Hectic (1142), t(1210)


13th Elements - (5): Aaron, t(1086), titus (1168), RD (1169), t (1329)

15th Cliff (3)- , t(1092), t(1097), Hectic (1142),
15th Elements - (6): Aaron ,t (1086), titus (1168), RD (1169), t(a) (1329), Hopkirk (1401)
16th Elements - (5):,t (1086), titus (1168), alonzo (1329), Hopkirk (1401) , rick (1479)
17th Elements - (5): ,t (1086), titus (1168), alonzo (1329), , rick (1479), garmr (1674) ,
18th Tchill - , t(1692), Hopkirk (1698) , garmr (1733) , , t(b) (1748), t , t
19th cliff (3) Hectic (1142),) ,, s(t) (1729),) , titus (1773)
19th cliff (3) Hectic (1142),) ,, s(t) (1729),) , titus (1773)
Elements - (11): t, Rick Dalton, t, AaronFrost, t, EeveeLution Army, t(b), t, t, t, t

[bob3141]

hopk it was day one wagon

12thCliff (7) - t(1065), Hopkirk(1071), t (1075) , t (1090), t(1092), t (1097), Hectic (1142),

13th Cliff (7)- , Hopkirk(1071), t(1075) , t(1090), t(1092), t(1097), Hectic (1142), t(1210)

2 days of that wagon and teh only none flipped or confirmed players are you (hopk) and hectic

[bob3141]

day 3 and 4 lycnhes

Judge Joseph Dredd - (9): Garmr, Hopkirk, b, t, t, t, AaronFrost, texcat, t

Cliff Booth - (8): b, AaronFrost, Titus, t, Hectic, texcat, Garmr, Rick Dalton

[bob3141]

Hopkirk why would you think scum would consciously avoid this wagon. Scum often end up wagins even when they dont intent too.

[bob3141]

garmr who do you think the order of claims to be shoudl be

[bob3141]

ok so we have garmr claiming that hopkirk had no visits even though quite a few pr had already been claimed.

Do you remember teh post numbers of the posts you believed hopk claimed a pr.

[bob3141]

Will catch up when i can. Will eb busy for the next few days until teh weekend.

[bob3141]

Were i am now is that i think hopk is scum

VOTE: HopkVOTE:


The interaction of late between hopk and hectic do feel rather funny. Not sure is scum hopk is eitehr distancing from hectic or just trying to portray that. So not entirly sure on how hectic fits in yet

[bob3141]

Kop, , Hectic, EeveeLution Army, Titus, Hopkirk, , Garmr, , , AaronFrost, texcat

mm 8 players with upto 5 beign scum.

[bob3141]

VOTE: Titus


Every combination of scum i look at he appears in everyone.

[bob3141]

so who is left to roleclaim.

[bob3141]

VOTE: Pine

[bob3141]

wonder how long this twlight will be.

[bob3141]

Im starting to wonder just how long this game will end up taking for us to acheive a town win.

[bob3141]

I cant see titus being anything but scum.

VOTE: Titus

[bob3141]

texcat and all those who ahvnt claimed yet claim now

[bob3141]

Hectic, EeveeLution Army, Titus, HopkirkGarmr AaronFrost, texcat.

since we could 5 scum in there. That leaves 2 townies to avoid

Billy and carc who you leaning towards being the two we shouldnt lynch.

[bob3141]

1- aaron or eve
2- hopkirk or hectic

atleast one scum in 1 and 2

[bob3141]

UNVOTE: UNVOTE:

dont want to rush this

[bob3141]

UNVOTE:

[bob3141]

actualy i think eve is far better lynch today

Can anyone honestly say he has dine anythign townie of late. If at all.

VOTE: Eve

[bob3141]

titus you were a one shot roleblocker why use it now when your chances of hitting who ever makes the night kill is low?

[bob3141]

I'm still here. I'd like to hear Garmr's results from last night. And I wonder who Rick protected.

yep garmr needs to claim

[bob3141]

So I was looking at past large normals to get an idea of how many scum would be in a 21 player game. The closest thing I could find to a game this size or bigger was This Game from just over a year ago. 25 player Large Normal that had 4 scum in it. I would wager that we have 5 scum at most including the dead traitor which would mean there's 4 left, making tomorrow lylo if we mislynch today.

I think scum!Hectic is trying to create paranoia about being in lylo when he knows that we aren't.

How do you know we arnt?

[bob3141]

Unofficial vote count

Eve - bob
Garmr- titus, hectic
Hectic - garmr

[bob3141]

Im willing for a texcat/aaron lynch

If you think they are both scum why no vote?


Its not like you have activly scum hunted since this point.

[bob3141]

This game has been going since start of spetember and for us to win we will have 4-5 more days to go. Are people serous trying to stretch this game into the new year

[bob3141]

Im willing for a texcat/aaron lynch

If you think they are both scum why no vote?

Its not like you have activly scum hunted since this point.

Eevee hasn't really scumhunted all game tbh.

Alternatively, we can kill obvscum Eevee.

We can lynch her tomorrow. I think the fact that she's had no input on the Garmr/Titus claims is telling, but I think we need to get Garmr today.

Why lynch her tommorrow rather than today. What makes you think that garmr is better lynch than eve.

A player you have just said hasnt scum hunted all game.

[bob3141]

today i will only consider a lynch between eve and aaron

On the first lynch i cant see it having less than one scum and with it likely the remaining players that arnt either confirmed in soem way or fliped are both scum. i.e. aaron and eve

[bob3141]

No one should even be concidering a lynch outside of those two. Do we realy think town was able to get 11 town players or even 10 to all vote the same player. Its hard to for 6 townies to end up agreeing on one player in 13 player game.

[bob3141]

Remind me why you have such a strong scumread on Aaron?

Why do you town read aaron.

If you town read aaron shoudlnt you be voting eve. as do you real think 11 townies actual managed to agree on one player without one or two of them being scum.

[bob3141]

And hectic if you were town and town read aaron why arnt you already voting eve.

If you are town and you think aaron is town. Then for eve to not be scum you would either have to be scum or wrong on aaron

[bob3141]

Think it migth be l-1

[bob3141]

Eve- bob, hopk, billy, hectic, aaron

i make it

[bob3141]

The difficult question is are who ever the scum are on bussing or is eve town

[bob3141]

I am thinking Titus town right now. But I have been massively fooled by her before so I’m paranoid about this read.

VOTE: Tchill

That vote hopping was opportunistic as

oven

.

I’m debating certain things internally with EeveeLution. Will get back to you in the morning.

I’m debating certain things internally with EeveeLution. Will get back to you in the morning.

You share a PT with Evee???? Interesting!

No PT with Eevee, but I see your smarm.

[bob3141]

unless there fake crumbs. prety much mark aaron, eve and titus as scum.

Look who was eitehr side of tchill on the elemntes wagon.

look at weird post in 2997

[bob3141]

one thign we know is that we cant have 5 mafia, eve be town and texcat be town. Otherwise scum texcat would have hammered

So either texcat is town or eve is scum. texcat could still be scum based on that though

[bob3141]

unoffical vote count

Eve- bob, hopk, billy, hectic, aaron
titus - garmr, carc
aaron- eve
garmr - titus, texcat

no vote - rick

[bob3141]

texcat if you dont think eve is scum who out of titus and aaron do you think is scum

[bob3141]

i think it is af, hectic, hopkirk and one other

[bob3141]

VOTE: Hectic

[bob3141]

no the lynch list for today is hopkirk, hectic or aaron. (still undecided on titsu, texcat and garmr)

We lose or we hit the nail on the head and get the correct solve

[bob3141]

hectic was given choice between aaron and eve.

He choose eve over arraon.

Aaron is last player without a confirmed alignment on that first wagon. And joined elentas wagon real scummly

[bob3141]

opkirk and hectic had been hard town reading each other. But as soon as they get poe all of sudden they start scum reading each other

[bob3141]

hectic jumps on eve wagon and trys to justify beign on it by saying scum can afford to bus

[bob3141]

whats teh votes at now

[bob3141]

hectic jumps on eve wagon and trys to justify beign on it by saying scum can afford to bus

I think you need to read back yesterday. I didn't want to vote Eevee and was very unsure about it till the end. Hop was the one who convinced me to stay on it rather than continue pushing Garmr.

But you still choose eve. You cant back track and say a player forced or convinced you to vote. As you still did. Key word YOU

[bob3141]

And when i was pushing eve or aaron if not both.

I layed out a choice for every one. I didnt say eve is scum over aaron or vica versa. Everyone had the choice

When provided with low hanging mislynch scum will never chose there partners. Especially if they have some to spare.

[bob3141]

btw no one is roleblocking rick.

Garmr can you go over the reasons for your different night actions

[bob3141]

think thats were teh votes are

garmr - titus, texcat
texcat- rick, hectic , hopkirk
hectic - bob
titus - garmr

[bob3141]

I think aaron vote was the hammer

[bob3141]

Though if Bob is scum, Aaron would be town... I think.

Things like this is making me sure you are scum. Constant attempts to discredit the last confirmed townie certainly arnt something a townie would ever do. I dont just have cliff clear but but soft clear from JJd aswell.

And in fact your only motivation appears to be the simple fact i scum read you.

[bob3141]

Any one on the texcat is hight suspect. So much misrepresentation of that wagon while it progressed. You had garmr pushing the fact that everyone was scum reading texcat which was complete nonsense. Did any of the reamining townies go near that wagon at a time where we believed every towny woudl eb needed to lynch scum. And even with 3 scum atleast one of us was need. Such wagon happening with out me or carc shoudl have been rather suspect

The

[bob3141]

Though if Bob is scum, Aaron would be town... I think.

Why would Bob be scum?

Though if Bob is scum, Aaron would be town... I think.

Things like this is making me sure you are scum. Constant attempts to discredit the last confirmed townie certainly arnt something a townie would ever do. I dont just have cliff clear but but soft clear from JJd aswell.

And in fact your only motivation appears to be the simple fact i scum read you.

Well yeah, because you were voting me early on yesterday when everyone thought there was 4 scum alive. I didn't get hammered so I thought you must be scum.
But now we know 3 are alive, you're still mostly town. Rick's actually scummier now that we know there's only 3 scum, so there wouldn't need to be a doctor in the game. I guess I'm just a little peeved at you voting me so recklessly like that yesterday, and then completely ignoring all of my questions and requests to you.

My point is, if I'm wrong about one of my 3 picks, it's probably Aaron. But that's unlikely.

You miss the point that if you are scum then why woudl your scum buddies join. My current think is scum was just waiting for oen more townie to jump on texcat to push it over the edge.

at the moment im think aaron, hectic and garmr

[bob3141]

If rick is scum then we have already lost as those macho would of been one massive red hearing if that were so. I just cant see there being so many macho if ther wasnt a doc. Mayve macho town but not pr machos. After all what would be the point.

[bob3141]

If rick is scum then we have already lost as those macho would of been one massive red hearing if that were so. I just cant see there being so many macho if ther wasnt a doc. Mayve macho town but not pr machos. After all what would be the point.

This makes me wonder if scum has any macho PRs? If so, then it's possible that Rick is a scum doctor, but he also claims to be non-consecutive which feels very limiting. I think a doc who's limited like that makes more sense for town than for scum with how many PRs town has had.

I serously doubt scum has a doc as what would be the point. Odd that you would even raise this point.

If scum had a doc then what purpose woudl the town macho have. We dont have claimed gunsmith or vig so what advantage would it bring scum. The only town result based pr were either trackers or watchers. So a scum doc would be no different to a a scum visitor.

[bob3141]

@Bob, You and Carc can vote Garmr to rectify the situation.

I really don't like Hopkirk posting VCs reasonlessly to try and force a conclusion.

Incase you forgot carc is no longer with us

[bob3141]

wanted to lynch aaron today. I would have found you beign alive suspect tomorrow but alas we never got there. But that was big red hearing. Wanted a few days to make the final choice between garmr and titus.

I knew aaron was scum for sure

Any towny shoudl have waited for my choice as I am confirmed town and thus no lynch would go through with out me.

So glad this game is over

[bob3141]

if you did no kill then you would have lost. And should lose if you killed me.

No kill means-why woudl scum target me, no they wouldnt = rick is scum.
me dead = rick is scum as any town doc would be on me.

So my vote woudl be rigth place but you still prob get mislynch

[bob3141]

I never believed teh non consec though. But alas i wouldnt be position to point out that you simply lifted it from another game

[bob3141]

At the time i though rick was baiting the scum into nk dave with him blocking the night kill. With dave flipping macho it all looked like it simply went wrong to me. if only dave wasnt macho

[bob3141]

I stopped really playing this game day 5 after yet another absurdly long night.

Almost replaced out dayone when we were only getting vote counts every 3 or 4 days

[bob3141]

Hopkirk i think you have just been unlucky. Ive been in 6 games that have all been modded well.

luv in is day play is notorious lurker not suprising he lacks enthusiasm in his modding

[bob3141]

I think the biggest reason town lost is that we simply couldnt come togather on one lynch. How many times were players scum reading titus but couldnt come together on his lynch at the same time. Think it would have been a different story if had managed to get titus lynched day 6. We had the votes but not at the same time

[bob3141]

I picked titus satrt of day but when hi wagon wasnt moving. I did flip between aaron and eve and got the wrong one first

[bob3141]

I picked titus start of day but when his wagon wasnt moving i got very impatient. So then I did a flip between aaron and eve and got the wrong one first.

[bob3141]

Thats actualy why i town read garmr at the start. Though start of today i did get bit paranoid about garmr but knew for sure titus and garmr were in 1v1

Although i found it confusing when scum killed billy then carc. I was thinking unless scum have roleblocker then why woudl they risk rick blocking the kill going after billy. Then if they have a roleblocker why not get rid of me before carc. As they can kill him when ever they want. Those macho made ricks claim everso believable as I thought they wouldnt put something in game without a reason. But alas rick was scum.