Dance of the Title Thread: Resurgence in wild?

[Pine]

i won't speak out against wolf pup but i wash my hands of the title

i just don't want to keep dann from getting a title - he obviously deserves one- and i can't think of a better one at the moment

also wolf pup isn't that bad

but i still dissolve myself of all responsibility

See, this should be an anti-nom.

“Because they should have a title” is a shitty reason to give a bad title.

Wolf pup is dumb, contrived, and unnecessarily cutesy. I’m hardly innocent in suggesting bad titles (DannWolf is cringeworthy in retrospect) but scraping the bottom of the barrel because we like him is just as bad.

Come on. We can do better, or we can wait and watch until another inspiration strikes us

Antinom wolf pup

[Pine]

wolf pup is meh across the board but apparently we cant agree on a better one so

Ditto for this. This is an antinom without balls (sorry vonflare)

[Nancy Drew 39]

i won't speak out against wolf pup but i wash my hands of the title

i just don't want to keep dann from getting a title - he obviously deserves one- and i can't think of a better one at the moment

also wolf pup isn't that bad

but i still dissolve myself of all responsibility

See, this should be an anti-nom.

“Because they should have a title” is a shitty reason to give a bad title.

Wolf pup is dumb, contrived, and unnecessarily cutesy. I’m hardly innocent in suggesting bad titles (DannWolf is cringeworthy in retrospect) but scraping the bottom of the barrel because we like him is just as bad.

Come on. We can do better, or we can wait and watch until another inspiration strikes us

Antinom wolf pup

No it’s not, just because you are ignorant of the context doesn’t make it a bad title. Anyone who has played multiple games with Dann would vehemently disagree with you here.

Antinom Pine’s antinom

[popsofctown]

nom Pine's antinom

[Nancy Drew 39]

It’s a basic meme to refer to Dann as a deep wolf. It’s also true, that one of his most effective tools in his arsenal as any alignment, is his extreme likeableness, adorableness. and sweetness.

It was one of the many reasons I didn’t want to lynch him in BP for example. Also, he did town it up but you can’t help feeling like a monster when you rightly/or wrongly sr Dann and that is an absolute fact.

That is why “Wolf Pup” is the perfect title for him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nom Pine's antinom

2nd

[Enter]

Pine you're a very inspiring person

I appreciate you.

Antinom Wolf Pup

[popsofctown]

No I actually meant "I support Pine's post", not "nom the title Pine was talking about".
It's probably a bad sign if multiple people don't find a title exciting.
I thought it was a cool title idea but I think the people antinomming know Dannflor better than I do and definitely value their input.

[Ankamius]

Ftr as somebody who hasn't been part of this situation at all, my first thought is that wolf pup refers to somebody who stands out for being new at scum

It really doesn't give the impression that you would hope

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean, I don't actually think Dannflors a super deepwolf player

[the worst]

the more I think the more I align myself with the Tree's post.
sorry dann this is difficult

pedit: he's not always which is kinda part of the joke; I swear he's subject to three times as much deepwolf paranoia while kinda obvtown within meta than he is scumgames in which he's actually endgame scum

[Enter]

Alright, so here's where I'm at on Dann - because we've talked a bit and I feel like I at least somewhat know him, I'd like to share and maybe that will help us come up with a better title for him:

The one game where Dann was actually close to a deep wolf that I remember was No Deadlines mafia, where he replaced in and dropped a reads list that was so good that the only real reason people scum read him was because they thought he must have had help in the scum PT - he didn't. He was then killed a few real life hours later during the night because the SK thought he was too townie. He was scum that game.

In most other games he comes off as scummy often because of the way he poses questions and takes stances - he's not particularly aggressive, he often comes off as if he's sitting on the fence, because he's very quiet about how he feels and thinks. This makes it difficult for players to see where he's coming from or his thoughts, and this makes them think he's either sitting on the fence or waiting and being opportunistic. For this reason he's often considered on people's reads lists as high deep wolf likelihood, especially when players are town reading him.

[Ankamius]

I mean, I don't actually think Dannflors a super deepwolf player

It's a very prominent part of his presence on the site though

[Enter]

Other interesting aspects of dann - he's amiable, young, quiet, nerdy, mature, intelligent, caring, careful, and a relatively solid mafia player

I don't know that any of these things make it easier to find a title for him, but maybe if we just talk about aspects of dannflor that we like we can reach a conclusion more easily?

[popsofctown]

I feel like Dannflor's scum game mimicks some elements to how someone might approach playing their very first scumgame, without Dann's scumgame being a weak scumgame at all. So I didn't mind that aspect of the title in terms of how well it fits but I think I'm being a little oblivious about how new users are going to view titles, they may not know right away that we don't use titles to shame people, so I think Ank is making a good point.

[Maruchan]

I'm of the "we want to title a user so bad we are compromising one title that isnt good enough" camp.

We shouldn't do that. He deserves a title, and hell earn *his* title when someone comes up with it. Until then, I think we should hold off and not push through a *meh* title because he deserves a title.

[Aristophanes]

Oh what about puppeteer?

I like this somewhat actually

[Jingle]

nom Pine's antinom

Pine's Antinom is a terrible title for Dannflor, tbh.

I mean, I don't actually think Dannflors a super deepwolf player

I don't think the title was ever about Dannflor actually being a deepwolf and more about the meme of Dannflor always being called a deepwolf, fwiw. (Agreeing with Enter)

[RadiantCowbells]

It started with a game where I was scum with Ank and we kept paranoiaing him as a deepwolf even though every post he made was more obvtown than the last

[Pink Ball]

Nom Dann for Nina Myers

The og deep wolf

[Oversoul]

Nom Pops for Particular

I think this is probably the most accurate title I could think of for Pops. But maybe it’s becaise I have a lot of recent history with her. Whenever I read a Pops post she seems very particular. It isn’t a bad thing and I Hope Pops doesn’t take any of my suggestions as digs because they aren’t imo. Pops knows what she likes and isn’t afraid to tell people they don’t meet that standard.

If you can’t have Tiara, take the next best thing yknow

[Pine]

i won't speak out against wolf pup but i wash my hands of the title

i just don't want to keep dann from getting a title - he obviously deserves one- and i can't think of a better one at the moment

also wolf pup isn't that bad

but i still dissolve myself of all responsibility

See, this should be an anti-nom.

“Because they should have a title” is a shitty reason to give a bad title.

Wolf pup is dumb, contrived, and unnecessarily cutesy. I’m hardly innocent in suggesting bad titles (DannWolf is cringeworthy in retrospect) but scraping the bottom of the barrel because we like him is just as bad.

Come on. We can do better, or we can wait and watch until another inspiration strikes us

Antinom wolf pup

No it’s not, just because you are ignorant of the context doesn’t make it a bad title. Anyone who has played multiple games with Dann would vehemently disagree with you here.

Antinom Pine’s antinom

I have played several games with Dann. For Pete's sake, the whole CONTEXT of the title discussion about Dann as a deepwolf was sparked when I drafted him FIRST in Ali vs Pine *specifically* for his talent as a deepwolf.

The title is bad. Making unresearched ad hominem attacks on me doesn't strengthen your side, and it's a key reason a lot of people don't like you very much.

[Pine]

I'm of the "we want to title a user so bad we are compromising one title that isnt good enough" camp.

We shouldn't do that. He deserves a title, and hell earn *his* title when someone comes up with it. Until then, I think we should hold off and not push through a *meh* title because he deserves a title.

Exactly. Dann is dynamic and talented - he will not want for title-worthy anecdotes.

Nom Pops for Particular

I think this is probably the most accurate title I could think of for Pops. But maybe it’s becaise I have a lot of recent history with her. Whenever I read a Pops post she seems very particular. It isn’t a bad thing and I Hope Pops doesn’t take any of my suggestions as digs because they aren’t imo. Pops knows what she likes and isn’t afraid to tell people they don’t meet that standard.

If you can’t have Tiara, take the next best thing yknow

I don't hate this, but I feel like it could use polishing.

[Alisae]

Yeah I really don’t like wolf pup for dann its just not the same

[Jingle]

Nom Dann for

Sheep In Deepwolf's Clothing

I think this captures the meme of "Dann always being accused of being a deepwolf" better, captures the cute-n-cuddly "I don't want to lynch Dann, even though he might akshually be scum" vibe I get from his scumplay, and captures the fact that he's basically the sacrificial lamb for which we blame all of the issues with AliPine. (DANNFLOR, WHY HAVE YOU BETRAYED ME?)