I don’t intend to think about it at all, which is why I’m asking you to clarify what you meant.In post 1346, Alisae wrote:don't think about it too hard, you'll get a headache.
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**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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In post 1348, Alisae wrote:ok nancy
Why would speaking the truth cause me to have insomnia?In post 1349, Alisae wrote:whatever makes you sleep at night**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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My title nom was based both as a take on the deep wolf meme and RC’s Dann ice cream post. Is there some reason, this is difficult to understand?**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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What I said was the truth and I don’t think I ought to be attacked because my words were misconstrued. I never called anyone “ignorant”. It’s in no way any kind of attack to say X individual was ignorant Of the CONTEXT. I, for example, willingly admit to be myself, ignorant of the context wrt Alisae vs Pine. Because I was not in/didn’t read that particular game.
Last edited by Nancy Drew 39 on Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:30 am, edited 1 time in total.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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A lot of people liked it until they didn’t. I haven’t really a fan of many of your suggestions either, so quid pro quo.In post 1355, Alisae wrote:nancy I don't think coming up with titles is one of your strong suits.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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Nom Alisae for “the Provocateur”
Serious suggestion**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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Please more nice more friendly"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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Blasphemy! How can you say polictics > titles?In post 1359, Psyche wrote:guys it'stitleswe don't need to be cunts over titles
let's be cunts over politics instead at least politics matters**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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I'd like to nominate popsofctown for:In post 1360, popsofctown wrote:Please more nice more friendly
BAD PERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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idk if that's too long? would appreciate a second opinion-
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And in way more colours and font styles.In post 1363, Ankamius wrote:Needs to be at least 3x longer tbh**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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i don't know if this has been discussed but i think the aesthetics of the title need to be brought into account
look at how stylish that is
it rolls excellently off the tongue / eyes
for this reason it is my top choice
e.this is okay . : ]In post 1281, Alisae wrote:I also thinkIs this a deepwolf?is also fitting for Dann if you literally do not want to go with The Deepwolf route, since a lot of that meme about the question "Is Dann the deepwolf" when he's was not.
sheep in deepwolf's clothing is my least favorite
disclaimer i hardly know dannflordid another ms user do something lovely? recognize their achievements here!
Today's modern mafia consumer demands dozens, nay, hundreds of roles that are vanilla cops.--implosion
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Guys.
Guys.
GUYS.
WHAT DID I JUST ASK FROM YOU, LESS THAN 24 HOURS AGO.
I am on my phone for the next 12 hours. I can't properly moderate the topic on my phone with the necessary level of care, so since you APPARENTLY need active moderation, which I can't give for 12 hours, I'm taking the nuclear option of locking the thread until I can properly oversee this discussion.
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Yeah the funny thing about that is.
When I was new to being a title fairy, the option to ban someone was exactly where it was supposed to be--I saw it there as a big shiny button which I was obviously hoping to never need to push.
Except, when I checked back a few months later and every time since then...it's not there anymore.
Specifically. Per the video, what I SHOULD see is this:
What I ACTUALLY see is this:
I BELIEVE that, yes, I SHOULD have the power to ban someone from the title fairy subforum, that I am SUPPOSED to have that power, but in spite of my having SUPPOSED to have it, I currently lack it.
(I mean, I could always be mistaken and the power isn't meant to be mine even if it was the power of previous fairies. Site policy can change, that could be a site policy change, I haven't asked yet.)
So, regardless of whether I am meant to have the power to ban people from this subforum and regardless of previous title fairies' abilities to do so, fact is, I can't.
In lieu of this, I'll have to make do with making a request to zoraster for the bans.
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Alright, I'm going to begin this with a blanket statement:
Someone else being an asshole doesgive you the right to be an asshole. Being an asshole to someone you think has been an asshole just makes YOU an asshole. Someone being an asshole to you doesn't magically mean you're suddenly not an asshole yourself; if you're an asshole and someone in response to you is an asshole, you'reNOTstillan asshole.
Being an asshole, regardless of whether you were an asshole first or second, means you lose any high ground, any sympathy, you could have had. It doesn't matter if you think you were in the right. Being an asshole is NEVER the appropriate response and never something you have the privilege of being. Less than 24 hours before I locked the thread, I made a simple request, a blanket warning to follow some simple guidelines:
I will not be requesting a ban on anyone who posted what they did before this warning. I WILL be requesting action on those who posted AFTER it and IGNORED it.In post 1256, mastina wrote:1: Yo, general reminder to be nice.
Pretty sure that I don't actually have the ability to ban anyone from this subforum, but please conduct yourselves in a way where I wouldn't need to. Respect others, don't demand that you be respected, be polite, respect that others have opinions which you disagree with, and if you feel strongly enough, voice politely why you disagree, once, then move on. Don't keep spamming your stance.
Alisae, I asked people to state their opinion once, then move on, and not to spam your stance--you went on to spam your stance, repeatedly, in spite of my warning. I asked you to be polite, but the myriad of posts like this (there's far more than just that one) were most decidedly not. They were toxic. While you may have raised some valid points about Nancy Drew 39 (see below), the way you went about it was Not Okay.
Speaking ofNancy Drew 39, a good 80% of what I said that post was addressed to YOU, Nancy:
I asked for you to not demand that you be respected--and then you went and did precisely what I told you not to do. As I said before: thinking someone is being a dick to you does not give you the right to act like a dick. Your actions were just as disrespectful, if not MORESO, than the actions you thought were disrespectful towards you, and were very much Not Okay. Your posts also gave me the kneejerk first impression of you spamming your stance as well. (Looking at them again, I'm not as sure, but it's borderline at the very least.)
I'm going to request a2 week banfrom the subforum for Alisae and a1 week banfor Nancy Drew.
These are the only two that I as a title fairy deem ban-worthy (though again, I guess it's not even my final call since I don't have the power to follow through on this and can only request it), but I am going to make a generic blanket warning to be more explicit here.
If you can't be nice and avoid toxicity when it comes to discussing Dannflor's title, then I'll implement a blanket ban on titling Dannflor for a rather significant amount of time (say, six months).
I really really REALLY don't want to do that--that'd be patently unfair to Dannflor. It'd be punishing him for something that's not his fault, when he did no wrong. He doesn't deserve to have the chance at a title taken from him when the reason it'd be taken from him is the general community's actions.
But I mean.
We've gone seven whole months with virtually zero toxicity here. There's been occasional bits here and there, but nothing this bad. If we are civil and nice when it comes to discussing literally every other proposed title, but suddenly devolve into a toxic cesspool when it comes to titling Dannflor, then there is APPARENTLY a problem specific to titling Dannflor--and if bans aren't enough of a dissuasion from that toxicity, then I don't see any other choice.
Nobody wants to stop Dannflor from getting a title. I don't. You don't. So be nice, be civil, be polite. This is not the place to discuss the requested bans. Of "but this user should be banned too!", of "but this ban is too long!", of "but this ban is too short!", of unequal punishment or any of that sort. Drop. It. Drop it all. This is for discussing titles. And it should be discussion. Not toxic comments, not spam, not unhelpful, unproductive, commentary, repeating the same thing, digging at other users who have stances differing from your own.
That really shouldn't be hard to do.
So I'm unlocking the topic.
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ON THAT NOTE:
Title fairy feedback on titles:
Neither puppeteer nor pup-peteer invoke imagery of Dannflor for me. This feels like it's taking an idea we already decided wasn't the best (wolf pup), and then taking the worst part of it and putting it into an amalgamation which is even worse at explaining the connotations behind it. I don't get the meme surrounding Dannflor from the title and I don't see how it fits Dannflor.In post 1269, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Make it pup-peteer and I think I’m downIn post 1241, Aristophanes wrote:
I like this somewhat actuallyIn post 1217, Cheetory6 wrote:Oh what about puppeteer?
I agree they are not the same thing!In post 1272, Alisae wrote:no, "The Deepwolf" and "deepwolf" are not the same thing.
I disagree that The Deepwolf invokes imagery of Dannflor!
The Deepwolf may not be literally identical to just Deepwolf, but it still runs into the same problem. It IS still generic. It's LESS generic, but it's still generic. The Deepwolf does no better at invoking the imagery of Dannflor than just Deepwolf. So it's still not something I am going to approve as a title for him because it is still something which is too generic.
Since the topic was brought up, to compare it to Alisae's lolbalance: as far as I am aware, the term lolbalance pretty much was nonexistent before Alisae started modding games, and pretty much nonexistent after Alisaestoppedmodding games; anecdotally, that is fairly strong evidence that the term was strongly associated with em. The term lolbalance invokes imagery of Alisae's modding, and Alisae's modding invokes imagery of lolbalance--it is a term that Alisae OWNS.
Dannflor does not own The Deepwolf. This is more or less my opinion on the matter as well.
This is something which I would like more discussion about tho! This is a title I feel has potential.In post 1281, Alisae wrote:I also thinkIs this a deepwolf?is also fitting for Dann if you literally do not want to go with The Deepwolf route, since a lot of that meme about the question "Is Dann the deepwolf" when he's was not.
And this is also a title I could get behind.In post 1319, Enter wrote:deepwolf?
Yes, really--just the addition of the question mark changes the connotation to me. It invokes the question of "is this what they actually are?", in a way that I feel like is suitable for a title. It'd be akin to a title like "Obvtown?" instead of a title like Obvtown. The latter is not a good title, the former I'd be willing to at the very least entertain if I thought it appropriate for the scummer it was nominated for. (In that case, probably wouldn't go through because I can't think of a scummer who'd own the identity of it, but it COULD go through, with the right identity, is what I'm getting at.)
Or 'Townie?' going through instead of just Townie, 'Scum?' going through instead of just 'Scum'. The question mark tells a story in of itself. "Deepwolf?" is something which I DO think is something that is more or less, the Dannflor meme in a nutshell.
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It's very important to me that we all recognize that I'm mastina's top friend.In post 1368, mastina wrote:
Nth. My only reservation applies to my suggestion too (it's a little wordy). I feel it does capture all of the nuance of the meme in the same way.In post 1281, Alisae wrote:Is this a Deepwolf?
I mean... Mastina said no. This is like Meme Police for Elbirn, where we're just beating a dead horse. No matter how much some people like the title, mastina has valid reservations and ultimately it is her decision.In post 1366, Errantparabola wrote:i don't know if this has been discussed but i think the aesthetics of the title need to be brought into account
Dannflor
Deepwolf
look at how stylish that is
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I noticed this, looking back, but I don't think we ever discussed Schrodinger's Deepwolf. And I think it at least merits discussion.In post 1065, Oversoul wrote:This is too far outside the actual reason for Dann’s Title. People call him a Deepwolf because they are paranoid. It just turns out he won a game because he was a Deepwolf. He’s like Schrodinger’s Deepwolf.This is a Parachute.-
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I still prefer the one word version but arguments from mastina and Jingle were persuasive enough I have changed my stance to an nth on the meme version.
See sometimes people can change their minds.
And it is mostly from people presenting their opinion for the first time.
Not from restatements.
pedit
I am ninja'ed
I nth Schrodinger's Deepwolf over all other versions
Because it has a cuddliness reference, a deepwolf reference, and an uncertainty reference, and those are like all the things I want out of the title."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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