Mini 2106 - Magia Record Fate Weave Semi-U-Pick (OVER!)

[Farkran]

Helllllllllllloooooooo

I'm in game with the two loves of my mafiascum life (o/ pops and even), and one of my best friends, Kerset. This game is going to be awesome. I might be *a little* over the lines but that's the way i am.

Welcome here to everyone else too, and don't worry, i am a nice guy. If you want a place in my harem you just have to ask. And be nice.

[Farkran]

So... i might have run out of RT introductions to skip RVS, so i'll just introduce myself without any hidden purposes:

I am Farkran, playing here since this summer. I've completed two full newbie games + one newbie i replaced into. As i might have hinted with the first sentence, i hate the random voting stage and i'd like to get out of it as soon as possible - with your help, if you wish to.

I'll start with a first step to break the ice: i'm a magical girl and i have powers. I used a charge disc so i have 3 votes. Going to use them only when i feel it's appropriate.

[Farkran]

I see that the majority of people used my same reasoning and picked a charge disc, except for 2 players with 4 votes, and 4 with 2 votes. Hmmm...

I think people with 4 votes are pretty towny, not caring about their MPs so they probably have less useful/very situational abilities. Or some memoria bonus to their vote power.

@Bitmap why don't you think the Blast disc is towny?

[Farkran]

Because if you're town, your ability is probably better than the 1 vote increase?

Are you aware of the existance of memoria powers and potentially dangerous abilities?

[Farkran]

Because if you're town, your ability is probably better than the 1 vote increase?

Are you aware of the existance of memoria powers and potentially dangerous abilities?

No because I skimmed due to my short attention span.

We may want to fix that before we go on, you even created a table listing player stats.

VOTE: Bitmap

[Farkran]

[quote="In post 30, Bitmap"
You do realize making excel sheets is brain dead work?[/quote]

Yeah. Better make good use of it though!

[Farkran]

I fail at bbcode

[Farkran]

I see that the majority of people used my same reasoning and picked a charge disc, except for 2 players with 4 votes, and 4 with 2 votes. Hmmm...

I think people with 4 votes are pretty towny, not caring about their MPs so they probably have less useful/very situational abilities. Or some memoria bonus to their vote power.

@Bitmap why don't you think the Blast disc is towny?

are you implying I have any idea what I’m doing

because that is simply slanderous

I can be slanderous at times.

Do you have any idea what you're doing?

[Farkran]

Good boys, now you're rolling the ball.

Why dis you vote me?

[Farkran]

I am tryhard

[Farkran]

Why?

[Farkran]

Glad we agree.

Why are you voting me for being tryhard?

[Farkran]

I mean do you think it's a scumtell? Based on what?

[Farkran]

VOTE: sujimichi

Fossing me on my lamistiness has been proven to be scum indicative.

How heavy of a meta-reliant player are you?

[Farkran]

Bitmap is town

[Farkran]

I have two completed games on site.

Should I use buzzwords as well? Your vote comes across as OMGUS, and I think your sample size for your rationale is small, and thus not a good basis.

Not omgus, just experience.

My townleans so far: Bitmap (large towntell on game mechanics), salamence (same)

SLs: suji, TL

@alchemist, same question, how much do you rely on meta to gamesolve?

[Farkran]

Arent I doing the same thing as Sumuji?

Nope

[Farkran]

I am also slightly leaning Severa but not entirely convinced on it. Looks like he knows what he's doing too well for a clear read

[Farkran]

I am also slightly leaning Severa but not entirely convinced on it. Looks like he knows what he's doing too well for a clear read

Leaning town*

[Farkran]

Bitmap has a lot of scum equity

Very interested in your reasoning about this

[Farkran]

@alchemist, same question, how much do you rely on meta to gamesolve?

Depends on the person.

You placed a vote on me, so that person would be me

[Farkran]

Alchemist is >rand scum

Not sure if scummier than suji though

[Farkran]

Bitmap has a lot of scum equity

Very interested in your reasoning about this

RVS voting GE for having 4 votes (idk)

The big reason is this:

Jumping off the Farkwagon solely because I hopped on it, which is sorta attacking me to defend Farkran and also a inverse OMGUS, and then admitting that I am only a nullread

Bad read... not sure if it comes from scum though. Read bitmap iso again and come back to confirm this read please?

[Farkran]

Ok there's two ways we can play this

Do y'all want the way that wins more reliably or the one that involves less of me shoving my reads down your throats.

I want your reads in my every hole please

[Farkran]

Go read 79, 80, and 92.

You're just proving my point.

So you're basing your scumread of Bitmap on the assumption that i am scum, and the both of us want to push a "mis"lynch on you.

Eh... this is scummier than suji.

VOTE: TL

[Farkran]

Ok there's two ways we can play this

Do y'all want the way that wins more reliably or the one that involves less of me shoving my reads down your throats.

Sorry if i crossed a line, reads are nothing obscene though, nor are my holes

I want your reads in my every hole please

Ok that’s... probably more suggestive than we want in our game threads.

But hey, you do you.

[Farkran]

I fail so hard at bbcode when posting from mobiel

[Farkran]

I'm a bit sad that RC, the lovable dictator seal has been replaced out.

He just decided to be a prickly anime waifu instead

In other news my role sucks and is random and I am not gonna use it freaking ever. I get to block one non-killing actions on a player total, and it cannot be influenced by me to be vaguely useful. I honestly wish I would have rolled scum with this but I didn’t so I’m claiming it immediately

I believe this

[Farkran]

I mean it's one of the reasons for chosing the blast disc, it makes sense

[Farkran]

I did say that blastpickers were townier than the rest though.

I just believe what gamma says and i townlean him for it

[Farkran]

Farkran is always either lynched D1 or scum so good job girls.

Hey, you got it the wrong way

I am conf!scum if i don't die n1

[Farkran]

Kerset is also town

[Farkran]

That’s fine. I’m just pointing out that there are alternative options, and your belief that his statement is true is based on your own internal assumption. Believing his statement is true just because he made it does not “make sense.”

My point is that i had already an above null feeling about blastpickers even before his statement, and him saying so just confirms my theory.

[Farkran]

Blast disk is bad idea because first day holds the least information. Our choice today doesn't include any PR or flip relation so using vote advantage is a waste.

You are correct in theory but there are some very dangerous skills out there

[Farkran]

Farkran is always either lynched D1 or scum so good job girls.

Hey, you got it the wrong way

I am conf!scum if i don't die n1

I thought someone else here was RC

I mean i have been nked over a confirmed investigative role in my latest completed game. And i wasn't even confirmed PR

[Farkran]

Blast disk is bad idea because first day holds the least information. Our choice today doesn't include any PR or flip relation so using vote advantage is a waste.

You are correct in theory but there are some very dangerous skills out there

And, you know this how?

I have two sets of skills, both VERY dangerous. One i can control, the other i cannot and i need mp+charge to avoid messing up

[Farkran]

Blast disk is bad idea because first day holds the least information. Our choice today doesn't include any PR or flip relation so using vote advantage is a waste.

You are correct in theory but there are some very dangerous skills out there

And, you know this how?

This is actually a very towny post though, i may reconsider suji

[Farkran]

So, I will run a little game related to me being a double neighborizer...

If you would pick two players to be in a neighborhood together, which two would you pick?

Me+severa
Me+alchemist

In that order

[Farkran]

Nah, i still townlean salamence so far.

TL seems to be paying attention only to what it's convenient for him though, and it's too early for tunnel bias if you're town.

Pedit: seems also very easily convinced to change wagons

Also severa claim is obv bs.

Alchemist sounds sincere

[Farkran]

Hot take: Severa and Salamance could be town together?

70% sure of this

[Farkran]

I think only the magia part of salamence claim is bs

The rest is true

[Farkran]

VOTE: Alchemist21

I think this is better.

I think TL is actually town in that interaction

Farkran could be scum?

I have this backwards. Can you explain it to me?

[Farkran]

Y'all seriously going to take sheepy mc sheep Alchemist and not push him?

I mean, TL was by far the most opportunistic of the two. He was tunneling on me, reading my posts as cowshit and then he switches over a bs claim?

I think alchemist actually noticed it was bs and played along

Pedit: or perhaps not...?

[Farkran]

VOTE: Farkran

Can you describe how you arrived here?

[Farkran]

VOTE: Farkran

Can you describe how you arrived here?

Yeah I went back to where I came from.

Do you still believe this is my first scumgame?

[Farkran]

I think only the magia part of salamence claim is bs

The rest is true

Why would I lie about 1 part

Because your magia would be extremely op to claim it outright, and if that was true you'd have used an accel disc

[Farkran]

Farkran is just... not posting great things.

Where?

[Farkran]

Do you think a town rolecop would fullclaim over your obv bs?

[Farkran]

VOTE: Farkran

Can you describe how you arrived here?

Yeah I went back to where I came from.

Do you still believe this is my first scumgame?

Is it not?

I mean, i have my true first scumgame on this site in my signature...

[Farkran]

I’m with everyone else on Farkran. His posts look like it’s his first time playing scum.

VOTE: Farkran

It is not the case

And kerset told you ...

[Farkran]

We aren't lynching Salamence today, even though he's an idiot. I don't like Farkran, Severa or TL. Bitmap could go either way.

Explain please? <3

Charge Discs produce the least information possible, and are therefore scummy. They also benefit the most from coordination, which is also scummy. Blast and Accele are both towny, because they give information one way or the other regarding whether you have an ult worth using, but Accele is the most towny disc because it gives cover to our Doppel users.

I... really disagree with this, it depends a lot on your abilites. From what i could garner from my skillset, accel is the least towny.

[Farkran]

VOTE: Farkran

Can you describe how you arrived here?

Yeah I went back to where I came from.

Do you still believe this is my first scumgame?

Is it not?

I mean, i have my true first scumgame on this site in my signature...

It’s not apparent that’s a scum-play description.

Can you show me a Town game where you opened similar to how you opened here?

It's 2+2 though, i feature Kerset in my sig, and he tells you it's not. Also, it would have been very easy to check that specific game, since it is also listed in the sig.

I only have 2 completed full games on games on mafiascum though: newbie 1951 where i was mason, 1958 i was scum, and then there is 1960 where i was friendly neighbor (but i replaced in during n1).

[Farkran]

Ok. Now that you know though, can you scumcase me properly?

Pedit: old site no longer exists, i played there 8 years ago. I think they transfered over town of salem though

[Farkran]

Ok. Now that you know though, can you scumcase me properly?

Pedit: old site no longer exists, i played there 8 years ago. I think they transfered over town of salem though

If it’s the same 2+2 I’m thinking of the site still exists, unless someone else bought the domain because it’s mostly about poker now.

If it wasn’t scum nervousness like I thought then I don’t have a case.

UNVOTE:

Nope, site no longer exists. It was based off a sc2 mafia game, and while sc2mafia still exists, it has been renewed and changed administration. Town of salem, where the old admins moved on (i think) has no archives

[Farkran]

ANNOUNCEMENT FROM COORDINATOR

Free service to winners!

(Coordinator is still busy. Being a cute girl is so tiring---)

MITAMA'S SPECIAL TRAINING

VOTECOUNT 1.2

TemporalLich

(2P, 7V): Salamence20(4), Sujimichi(3)

Salamence20

(2P, 6V): TemporalLich(3), Severa(3)

Bitmap

(1P, 3V): popsofctown(3)

Severa

(1P, 3V): Kerset(3)

Sujimichi

(1P, 3V): Farkran(3)

Alchemist21

(1P, 2V): Bitmap(2)

Not Voting (5P, 13V)

: Alchemist21(3), Evenstar(2), Chemist1422(2), Gamma Emerald(4), Venus and Mars(2)

With a total of 37 votes, it's 19 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-12-07 23:00:00)

Speaking of accidental hammers, i think the VC is wrong. Pretty sure i voted TL in 113 and never changed that.

[Farkran]

@mod

^

[Farkran]

I'm kinda concerned about the possible existance of 3rd parties. Evenstar sounds town, but... not towny enough to be town. This would match her accel disc pick, as i suppose 3rd parties would have very op magic. This is just a theory though, and even if correct i don't think i would like to kill evenstar today off of it.

[Farkran]

VOTE: Bitmap

It's too popular to be cool, but TL is really scummy. Chemist1422 is actually really towny even in a non meme way, that's my hot take. I'm not really sure why the parity cop

claim

meme had people voting Salamence over TL. If you do the close your eyes and ignore claims exercise, it's not even close. Bingle suggested that exercise in a theme once, it's stuck with me, especially as I watch more and more themes seem to get thrown from role stuff.

I should develop more thoughts on more slots but I wanna go eat dinner, this is all of my catchup for now

Pops, why bitmap? I had him as pretty towny. The rest of the post is top quality, but it clashes with the vote.

[Farkran]

My readlist so far, i know you love these:

TOWN

Kerset

Bitmap

Salamence
Severa
pops

NULL

Evenstar
Gamma
Suji
Chemist

SCUM

Alchemist
TL

UNRANKED

Venus

Mostly based on game mechanics assumptions, tone and content. Stronger reads are bolded. Towniest to scummiest are top to bottom in each category.

[Farkran]

Are you fine with the fact that three of your TR voted other TR.

Not really, but the vote i'm most worried is pops'. The others are backed up by reasoning or meta (even if i disagree)

[Farkran]

Finished reading everything up, Hello all~


~Venus

Hello there! Where do you want to be placed in my awesome readlists?

[Farkran]

I'm kinda concerned about the possible existance of 3rd parties. Evenstar sounds town, but... not towny enough to be town. This would match her accel disc pick, as i suppose 3rd parties would have very op magic. This is just a theory though, and even if correct i don't think i would like to kill evenstar today off of it.

Someone correct me if Im wrong but the only people that should be worried or even thinking about SK/3rds are Mafia or people with inside info.

Odd to bring up honestly D1

It was just a random thought, and i'm not trying to sort Evenstar today based on that. It just tickled me that she was defending Accel disc users over Blast's or Charge's, and wanted to take note of it for future reference.

Idk, this seemed pretty easy to make. You townread all the strong/loud players (pops is town? Why? How is Gamma Null but Shiro Drew Unranked?), you scumread the two people who are being scumread to be point I dont see any uniqueness outside of Pops being town.

Feels maybe not fake, but just easy to make, you know what I mean?

Yes, i know perfectly what you mean since that's the most frequent comment i get about my early readlists. I think they're on the right track to become a meme. By the way, since you asked about pops, i think she is a very analytical player who loves playing town and has better than average reads, so i got town vibes from her entrance but i also want to know her reasoning against bitmap.

[Farkran]

By the way, TL and alchemist are 3rd and 6th in the activity count respectively, so i wouldn't say i am townreading the loudest players. Where did you get that impression?

Oh, about Gamma vs Venus, that's because gamma picked a blast (i think it's a towny move). 130 also sounds like town to me. Venus never posted once and picked a Charge, so i have literally no content to analyze about her hydra

[Farkran]

EBWOP, Venus picked an accel. Still not enough to form a read.

[Farkran]

Oh, so you had me and sujimichi backwards! Makes sense

[Farkran]

By the way, TL and alchemist are 3rd and 6th in the activity count respectively, so i wouldn't say i am townreading the loudest players. Where did you get that impression?

Fucking damn, I can't believe I'm 5th in activity and TL is 3rd. I did not see that honestly. That said, I think your townreads on me/severa/bitmap are all just easy picks for town, ya know what im talking about?

I hope I'm being clear, I feel like im not.

I think i get what you mean to say, but i believe i have been the first who townread Bitmap so that does not apply. It might apply to Severa and TL but my read of Severa is weak, and i find TL scummy for his shaky behavior rather than general consensus.

[Farkran]

By the way, TL and alchemist are 3rd and 6th in the activity count respectively, so i wouldn't say i am townreading the loudest players. Where did you get that impression?

Oh, about Gamma vs Venus, that's because gamma picked a blast (i think it's a towny move). 130 also sounds like town to me. Venus never posted once and picked a Charge, so i have literally no content to analyze about her hydra

Why do you have me at null then, sounds like you only have reason to townread me
FYI I’m reading from my last post, then I’ll read the rest

My read of you is one of the weakest, for obvious reasons. I... just hate having holes in my readlists, those are reserved for players i have literally zero content on. You will be sorted more accurately later, but i liked this post of yours.

[Farkran]

@TL can you scumcase me properly? You have a pretty strong read on me for stating i would flip town only "by miracle".

[Farkran]

You've already proved you're faking being towny

...not sure if you're being serious right now, but in case you are, can you point me to where i was faking (as opposed to where i am genuine)?

[Farkran]

You've already proved you're faking being towny

...not sure if you're being serious right now, but in case you are, can you point me to where i was faking (as opposed to where i am genuine)?

Read your ISO up to 82, that's where I thought you were faking towniness.

What was fake about it? Tone? Content? Lamistiness?

[Farkran]

What was fake about it? Tone? Content? Lamistiness?

My feelings on your RVS posts are based on tone and lamistness

I am starting to think your profile is, like... taking everything at face value. It might be compatible for a town!TL scumread of me. What's your second highest SR and why?

[Farkran]

I got nothing on Venus

or Suji

yet.

Why do you have nothing to say about suji? I can understand Venus, but i think Suji produced something relevant.

[Farkran]

Suji I would give a TR

Was talking to evenstar to give her a small prod, why do you TR suji though?

[Farkran]

Why is Alch scummy

Just slightly below null for not paying enough attention earlier (78 onwards). I have mixed feelings about him, seems to know what he's doing too much to overlook such details.

[Farkran]

Ok, my hood and I have discussed this and I'm going to open this to the floor
My actual abilities are day desperado -> day vig and using combined abilities we can get me up to 100 MP today
I am going to therefore be using the desperado today but I would prefer to use it on someone who, if it fails, is going to actually be useful to town.

So, ignoring my reads momentarily and focusing on the people that I think have some utility as town leader

Evenstar
Farkran
Venus & Mars (Primarily aimed at ND39, but if she continues lurking we're going to lynch rather than desp this slot)
Kerset
Salamence20

How effectively do you think you perform as IC, what are your reads right now, do you have any shot recommendations

I think this is another bs claim but at least the claims have some purposes so i'll answer nonetheless

I am quite ineffective as an IC, i wouldn't take the town leader spot by choice unless i am scum, however i am very active and talkative so that often just happens. Already provided my reads, nothing significant to update since then, except possibly a higher position for GE

As for the shot:
1) i wouldn't shoot right now
2) if i had to shoot any player right now, on the threat of game loss if i don't, i'd probably shoot TL.
3) if i absolutely had to shoot one on that list, i'd shoot Evenstar or Venus by PoE, probably Evenstar.

[Farkran]

I do not dislike Severa but the skill level displayed makes it less AI than it would be in a newbie game.

Also this is the first game where i have too many townleans. I usually scumread half of the town in d1. It's probably activity bias though, i'm not used to it.

Need more content from suji, chemist and venus. And pops. Especially pops.

[Farkran]

Isn't that cool that both Fark and severa have same tactic but execute it differently. Even that they didn't know each other, sev quickly recognized what Fark opening was about. Also Fark instantly called first seve claim as bs. Interaction worth to be noted.

It's the powerwolf blood. It runs deep in our veins, even when we are town.

Jokes aside, i'd like to know where Evenstar is truly aiming. I also thought of a forum title for her that i will be disclosing postgame.

[Farkran]

VOTE: V&M

Willing to try this.

[Farkran]

I think only the magia part of salamence claim is bs

The rest is true

Why would someone go to the trouble to fake only one part of their role while being truthful with the remainder of the claim?

Salamence notices obv bs from severa

Salamence produces obv bs in response

I don't think anyone ever seriously claims cop d1, especially right after he yelled at me for talking too much. The rest of the claim makes sense and is probably true, i see no harm in that, especially given the peculiar mp ability that no one ever asked for (weirdly enough, since bitmap claims to have huge powers in his role - makes me think that is also bs).

I believe no one has actually claimed seriously so far, with the possible exceptions of gamma (but then again he pretty much claimed VT) and TL, who has been... like, inappropriately superficial so far

[Farkran]

@kerset

Spoiler: salamence claim

Blast disk is bad idea because first day holds the least information. Our choice today doesn't include any PR or flip relation so using vote advantage is a waste.

You are correct in theory but there are some very dangerous skills out there

And, you know this how?

I have two sets of skills, both VERY dangerous. One i can control, the other i cannot and i need mp+charge to avoid messing up

STOP TALKING

This is a cute gambit.

I highly doubt severa is an investigative role, because I am a rolecop

If you want a fullclaim Ill give you one but I would like to bring up that RC has now gotten 2 people to softclaim their roles

And after this, he doesn't even vote Severa out of his "gambit"

How is that not bs? It's the towny kind of bs though

[Farkran]

Salamence notices obv bs from severa

Did Salamence notice that it was obviously not a true claim? I didn't pick up on that from reading Salamence's posting.

Salamence produces obv bs in response

But, the issue that I brought up was that why would they "produce obv bs" for only a portion of their role claim? If they felt it was not true, and only done to elicit a reaction, why would they not produce a false role claim in its entirety?

I don't think anyone ever seriously
claims cop d1,

Salamence didn't claim cop. He claimed rolecop which is a functionally different role.

You seem to rely a lot on your own feelings about players and their play, and not so much reasoning or rationale behind actions. Is this a fair statement?

I meant cop as in a investigative role in general, but my point still stands since rolecop as he described it is also quite op in this setup. As for the rest of the post, why not? I'm not certain he told the truth about it, but it's likely he did, contrary to the rolecop claim.

I think you're disagreeing with my reasoning rather than me not relying on it.

[Farkran]

I think you're disagreeing with my reasoning rather than me not relying on it.

I drew my last comment from the below since you don't actually have anything supporting these statements.

I don't think anyone ever seriously claims cop d1

I believe no one has actually claimed seriously so far

Oh. That's mostly common sense, but i also explained my reasoning behind that assumption. Do you see anything wrong with it?

I mean, i like you attempting to draw a profile of me, but i think you're doing it wrong

[Farkran]

@Suji I hadn’t read much of anything before now, and I want to post a lead rist before voting rn.

You seem to have read and engaged now. Could you post your reads list?

I’ll expand later but for now my strong reads are like
Severa and Salamence town
Farkran and you scum

@anyone with experience with gamma: is it compatible with his meta to produce strong scum
reads after putting so much effort in catching up and trying to steal town leadership from a player she is TRing?

[Farkran]

Oh. That's mostly common sense, but i also explained my reasoning behind that assumption. Do you see anything wrong with it?

I mean, i like you attempting to draw a profile of me, but i think you're doing it wrong

If I'm incorrect in my assumption as to your style, that's fine. Thank you.

From my limited experience on this site, players can tend to get emotional and do things that defy logic or reasoning, so I can see someone claiming cop in exasperation or anger. I read Salamence's posts as such.

I don't think salamence fits with the emotional profile. If he was being emotional about that exchange, he would have voted the crap out of severa in colored, large sized bolded text

[Farkran]

I don't think salamence fits with the emotional profile. If he was being emotional about that exchange, he would have voted the crap out of severa in colored, large sized bolded text

Perhaps, though Salamence did later state that it was causing confusion in his read on Severa as I previously pointed out.

You don't fullclaim over that. You either want to bite hard at severa's ass for being a shitty player or scum, or you're not emotional enough about it - and therefore you don't make a serious fullclaim of an investigative role in d1.

I think we can move on from this topic.

[Farkran]

Hmmmm.

TOWN

Kerset
Farkran
Salamence
Gamma
Alchemist
Chemist
- DEAD NULL -
Severa
Venus & Mars
Pops
Sujimichi
Bitmap
TL

SCUM

p. meh readslist but w/e it's d1

Is this sincere? I mean, i think you're more towny than not given that you're fitting perfectly into my knowledge of your town meta, but... aren't you reaction testing too much now? Do you have any true scumread that you'd like to lynch today?

[Farkran]

@Suji I hadn’t read much of anything before now, and I want to post a lead rist before voting rn.

You seem to have read and engaged now. Could you post your reads list?

I’ll expand later but for now my strong reads are like
Severa and Salamence town
Farkran and you scum

@anyone with experience with gamma: is it compatible with his meta to produce strong scum
reads after putting so much effort in catching up and trying to steal town leadership from a player she is TRing?

Forgot about this
Why do you say I’m “stealing town leadership”? And why do you think me putting out strong reads after solis effort is a weird thing needing meta to explain?
In fact I think you and Evenstar have both done this thing of badgering about meta on me.

You insisted a lot on not wanting Severa as town leader because you think he's bad, am i correct? The whole antitown alt argument was about that, if i read it properly.

However, you're TRing Severa, so the bad thing about him is probably his skill at reading people, which could lead town loss. Or is there anything else?

If i am wrong, please tell me and i'll ISO you tomorrow (2 am and from mobile right now)

[Farkran]

Hmmmm.

TOWN

Kerset
Farkran
Salamence
Gamma
Alchemist
Chemist
- DEAD NULL -
Severa
Venus & Mars
Pops
Sujimichi
Bitmap
TL

SCUM

p. meh readslist but w/e it's d1

Is this sincere? I mean, i think you're more towny than not given that you're fitting perfectly into my knowledge of your town meta, but... aren't you reaction testing too much now? Do you have any true scumread that you'd like to lynch today?

this is literally where I'm at, Fark. Would lynch TL if I had to, but tbqh need more information. Too much is too superficial.

Ok. Can you explain why Bitmap is second to bottom in that list, or is it just guts? The other reads i can actually buy as of now

[Farkran]

You seem to have my actions rather straight but how do you get that I was stealing town leadership from that? I wasn’t trying to put myself in Severa’s spot at all. Plus I don’t think the idea of being town leader ever explicitly came up, that’s you idea.

Almost done with the lead rist btw

The thought just felt natural when i noticed your postcount skyrocket today, after making a minor prodge yesterday. It looked like you were specifically pinged by Severa's presence and didn't want him to lead the town.

Then you say you also managed to produce strong scumreads (which i don't really agree with), and i found that weird.

I don't know if this is standard for you, so i asked for meta.

This can be postponed to after you post the readlist though

[Farkran]

Gamma's list and reasoning make sense, but i do have a question

Why would i try to appraise you and salamence in the day thread? It's not like you're going to answer that. Also, if anything, i have been consistent in 1. (slightly) townlean blast disc pickers; 2. declaring what i believed and what i didn't believe from all slots making a claim.

I can see your point about me and suji distancing, that may validate your vote on me. Could you expand on TL though? You mentioned weird interactions between me and him. Do you see that as distancing too, or is there anything else?

[Farkran]

I think alchemist is town now.

@gamma don't forget my question

3 am, need to get some sleep now

[Farkran]

Catching up, will be doing multipost replies as i read stuff

[Farkran]

I think only the magia part of salamence claim is bs

The rest is true

Why would I lie about 1 part

Tbh this question is fair, also this the second time Farkran has had a response like this to a claim
Like it feels like Farkran is posting scum PT thoughts in the main thread by trying to rate the claims’ legitamacy

Ok - i tried to drop the issue, but this seems to be surfacing every time and i think it's not town-motivated here.

Please explain to me the scum intent in trying to DOUBT a rolecop fullclaim from salamence

in a game where i literally saw people taking bs at face value and believing it

. I can only see two possibilities:

1) Salamence is dumb and actually claimed his role -> he's getting nked and me adding wifom is going to help against that
2) Salamence is smart, has a very shitty ability and tries to attract nk -> scum!me would shut the hell up and kill elsewhere because i can control the nk and i don't care about his bs

Depending on what scum thinks they could choose either way, but i see no scum motivation in me trying to doubt that fullclaim. As i said, it's not like he would answer me, given that i didn't even TRY to pressure him about the claim.

VOTE: gamma emerald

It seems you're trying to justify a push on me with excuses.

[Farkran]

Gamma's list and reasoning make sense, but i do have a question

Why would i try to appraise you and salamence in the day thread? It's not like you're going to answer that. Also, if anything, i have been consistent in 1. (slightly) townlean blast disc pickers; 2. declaring what i believed and what i didn't believe from all slots making a claim.

I can see your point about me and suji distancing, that may validate your vote on me. Could you expand on TL though? You mentioned weird interactions between me and him. Do you see that as distancing too, or is there anything else?

My best guess to why you’d appraise us here (versus the scum PT, which I assume you are implying) is you just threw those up in instant reaction to the posts. If you would like to point out your other reactions to claims that would be nice, that way I could see if the pattern continues

As for TL interactions, yeah those kinda look like distancing too but my thinking about the connection between you and TL is “they may or may not be scum together, I see nothing in favor of either possibility”. While with Suji there’s the stuff I mentioned.

I think i have already reacted to every claim so far, stating whether i believe/don't believe them and how i read them in terms of alignment. Feel free to ask me if i missed any.

So, i get that you are scumreading both me and TL, but you are only scumreading TL based on your assumption that i am scum, correct?

[Farkran]

I'll start with a first step to break the ice: i'm a magical girl and i have powers. I used a charge disc so i have 3 votes. Going to use them only when i feel it's appropriate.

Farkran refused to claim mason at L-1 + intent in his first game because he believed it's optimal play to vehemently protect town's information, so freely sharing this information is concerning. Farkran did you think it's impossible this information wasn't already public, or did you just not give a care? The predecessor to this game included a player with an extra vote, and later this thread we discover you can't figure out what disc it is someone used just by seeing their votes: salamence charged but has a Blast disc number of votes.

I did also say in that game that refusing to claim was very specific of the circumstances. It was also a game where i openly speculated about PRs for the same reason = the mason team already had all the information they needed and no one else should have shared it until it was appropriate, i.e. to counterclaim epiccreeper and lynch scum. This game is vastly different (no open setup, no normal roles, etc), and by reading ahead you will notice that a lot of people included at least some amount of bs in their claims. Magical girl setup allows this, and i support the use of bs or non-bs claims to advance the gamestate.

I don't understand how it's pro-town to pick Blast Disc on Day 1. Either you two didn't read or you're throwing.

Or you're scum.

I read these as though they were all in one post on the first read through, but this looks like it's possibly an actual "the edit function is disabled" scumslip. Why did no one comment on this or care? "Because he quickly corrected himself" is not a great reason. RC quickly corrected himself when he mentioned reading the scum PT in Any Non Dead Player.

Even in a less "gotcha" sense the thought process here doesn't seem townie. Why does he care more about whether Gamma and Salamence are throwing and blameworthy than if they're scum? I have a bad habit of trashing other players instead of sorting players when I don't have sorting to think about as scum.

...this might be an actual scumslip.

If your abilities are mediocre, why not use a blast disc? I don't get it.

If you have a 900 MP ability that says "visit a player and become a miller for the rest of the game", you probably still want to take Charge or Accel to avoid an implicit VT claim that improves the quality of the factional nightkill. The extra vote is useless, it's more important to convince players than to have the power to force lynches through mechanically.

I have to disagree with this though. I think your reasoning is flawed/incomplete: you're admitting that picking a Blast disc equals a VT claim (= extra vote is useless), but if you see no reason for scum to pick blasts, it actually helps town narrowing the lynchpool, which i think is more beneficial than the side effects. To expand on this: i do not have experience with the previous iterations of magical girl mafia, but i would think scum abilities are useful and therefore they would like to abuse them over attempting a very weak VT claim.

VOTE: sujimichi

Fossing me on my lamistiness has been proven to be scum indicative.

How heavy of a meta-reliant player are you?

This seems a bit substandard from Farkran. He's seen both townies and mafia push him for lamisty posting. Sujimichi's posting was pretty reasonable about his thought process. I think it's scum indicative to treat a weak scumtell like a stopping point because you've "done your job" when you can keep interacting to find where you are within that space, if that make sense.

Funny how i can get both a burden of proficency from people who played/spectated with me, and a newbie shield from people who didn't, in the same game. By the way, if want to skip rvs, i need to push weak reads first, and i feel that voting a player is also a valid motive for interacting + i asked a question in the same post. Also i kept analyzing suji up to 157 which is where he crossed the null line and entered the towny side of my reads. This soft-shading line seems weird coming from you pops, need to check if you're committed to it.
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The rest of the post i mostly agree with.

[Farkran]

You seem to have my actions rather straight but how do you get that I was stealing town leadership from that? I wasn’t trying to put myself in Severa’s spot at all. Plus I don’t think the idea of being town leader ever explicitly came up, that’s you idea.

Almost done with the lead rist btw

The thought just felt natural when i noticed your postcount skyrocket today, after making a minor prodge yesterday. It looked like you were specifically pinged by Severa's presence and didn't want him to lead the town.

Then you say you also managed to produce strong scumreads (which i don't really agree with), and i found that weird.

I don't know if this is standard for you, so i asked for meta.

This can be postponed to after you post the readlist though

I kinda don’t get what’s odd about producing strong scumreads being paired with making a strong effort to catch up. I think those make sense as a pair, since when you are efforting like that you’re likely to form some strong reads.

Also, to try and cut down on space taken up, I find it interesting that the reads I don’t exactly agree with in Severa’s town list, Alch and Suji, both appeared suspect to me for things involving agreeing with people. Possibly means Severa has a point with how my interactions with Alch have been turning my thoughts on him around a little, but Suji is suspect for other things. I’ll state I probably won’t be inclined to vote Suji today because if that though.

Honestly I haven’t felt this content with my bearings on a game in a long time. I think I might be finding my groove here.

Was referring to dichotomy of

putting effort in the catchup + forming strong scumreads VS trying to catchup while arguing with severa

, not just the first pair. I'd think you would be focused on one or the other and, in the second case, presumably revolve your reads around the interactions with severa - which should not be defined as "strong". Speaking of which, i don't think any of your reads have "strong" reasoning backups.

[Farkran]

aight pops can be town

Are you strong on this after just one post which was... not entirely towny (not scummy either, but certainly not what i would call obvtown), coming from whom you know has very high experience and skill levels?

If so, why? I mean, what specifically striked you as a strong town point in his post?

[Farkran]

if you're not committed you're trying to stall out D1, therefore Evenstar is scum

VOTE: Evenstar, even if hammer

Are jesters a thing in this setup? Because TL is crossing the line where i wouldn't lynch him out of making too little sense with his posts, and you know it's effing hard to cross that line for me.

[Farkran]

okay at least you're making an attempt to not stall out the game Evenstar...

okay at least you're making an attempt to not stall out the game Evenstar...

Hastiest backtrack in all of mafia history, folks.

...without unvoting, no less.
I mean... wut?

@TL, can you post a serious readlist please? I need to assess whether you're still in the testing phase to form useful reads and you're acting nonsensical with a purpose in mind or if you are just trying to look busy

[Farkran]

Nah Farkran is wrong he's the best shot on that list. Energy is almost as important to the town as intelligence. Not that Farkran lacks that either.

"shot" is an ambiguous word to use in this context was that on purpose? I'm not yet confident enough in my knowledge of better players to act as an enforced IC though. I think you should have been on that list if we make a pure speculation on reading abilities and charisma - not that i would "abdicate" in favor to anyone though, i will keep doing my thing regardless of my position as leader or lack thereof. Also i'm not sold on you being town yet. I'd currently place you as null-nullscum + would not lynch d1. I like some of your reads, significantly disagree on others.

Does town you care about my wasting my time casing you when I could be doing better and more productive things?

Evenstar is climbing up to Chemist tier, it's a shame I can't ship them.

Speaking of which, i'm not a huge fan of town!Evenstar right now. I'm going to post an updated readlist after i finish with the catchup replies because i feel like my previous one was off a significant bit.

You know what that’s reason enough to throw out my suspicions of Severa

I don't buy this is a real thought.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I don't buy this as a real thought

VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Really though... I've used a backdoor to sneak out of a push that wasn't working out well to me, very recently, and I was doing it as scum.

On the other hand, i like the wagon going on gamma. He has fallen from my grace.

If you claim investigation role then people won't lynch you. I think that could be his motive. If we have to choose between lynching mediocre role and role cop, we will never choose role cop bc we want to see information that he provides.

Kerset in site meta here a U-pick game generally has about two thirds of the town players as something stronger than rolecop. And also has the scum slightly more likely than the town to receive the ability rolecop. So his claim is similar to claiming VT, it incentivizes us to lynch him. I would be advocating lynching the slot to avoid outing more roles and avoid lynching more highly useful town power if his posting didn't lean towny to me.

I didn't see it from this POV, and if i was a spectator i'd trust your experience over mine. However, it does not really match my own info and what i got from other people claims... that being said, i just realized that one of such claims was salamence (who also said he didn't pick a blast) and the other was gamma's (whom i'm not trusting anymore). I feel i am contradicting myself here and i need to re-evaluate what i have been thinking of salamence, as my strong read on him was mostly based on game mechanics. His tone and content are still kinda towny though.

VOTE: Alchemist21

More content please.

If you want more from me then talking to me is the way to do it, not voting someone you just put in your Townreads.

This is Bad. You have an obligation to this game independent of what Evenstar does with her vote, and you should be able to see the town incentive to do what she's doing with her vote.
If it seems remarkable it might be because other people have seen you be underwhelming as town, you were underwhelming in StarCraft and flipped green. That's the only difference between Evenstar's post and my silence.
I can't remember anything you've done this game besides sheep a fake parity cop claim, just like I can't remember anything you did in SC except be a gunsmith claim.
She said "please", so don't be rude to her playing to her wincon when she's made you're not playing to it with her, unless want to claim scum.

Not sure if scum!alchemist would answer like that, even if i agree with the basis of reasoning. I'd think scum!alchemist would wave at, or produce content in response to that.

[Farkran]

Fark gave some useful thoughts and wasn't afraid to stand by them. His early bait was NAI. I am mostly concerned about his knowledge. He seems to know more about roles then others. Like he would know mechanics of his partners.

This is what i've been townreading salamence and bitmap off of - like, they don't seem to know anything about game mechanics. Good post from you, but i only know my role, which is actually more dangerous than it is useful. I would see my role more fitting with scum or 3rd party, which is what made me believe crappy roleclaims coming from town in the first place as well as doubting salamence's rolecop fullclaim.

[Farkran]

Updated readlist

TOWN

Kerset

Severa
Salamence
Alchemist
Bitmap
suji

NULL

pops
V&M
Chemist

SCUM

Evenstar
Gamma
TL

Kerset is the only read i'm still confident of rn, and it's a high townread. I don't feel as confident about bitmap as i was before, would never lynch there though. Reconsidered alchemist after his exchange with gamma. Reconsidered suji. Evenstar seems to be forcing her town meta upon herself, i find her posts to be overly self-aware compared to what i know her for. I don't like V&M lurking. I also don't like chemist disappearing like that.

[Farkran]

Still did you study other Upick games? I don't think that you played one.

No, this is my first theme game. I probably need to take a look at least at the old magia role cards, which i planned to be doing today.

[Farkran]

This reads like a pocket

VOTE: Farkran

Nah, i have played with Kerset and read more of his other games for different purposes, and this is town!Kerset.

[Farkran]

Evenstar is really punished for revealing her cards.

?????

You would be less shaded if you would keep your reads for yourself. You seems to lose town points just because your options are transparent.

Uh... if anything, i'm scumleaning her because she is NOT as transparent in this game as she was in the one we played together? She is... swinging too much compared to what i'm used to.

[Farkran]

I think the trajectory towards Gamma isn't great and seems like an easy target.

Can you elaborate more on this? You've jumped off me in the same way when i was being wagoned by {suji, TL, alchemist, salamence}, now you're sus of {fark, pops} for being on gamma. What are your thoughts about the wagon targets and the people on them?

VOTE: pops

Not impressed with pop's slot.

Can you elaborate on this?

I too am interested in your analysis of pops (@bitmap)

[Farkran]

I can't find the previous iteration of this/similar setups, can anyone link it?

[Farkran]

This seems to be suggesting providing polluted or partially falsified information to scum is harmless. I'll agree to disagree. The plenty of other ways to progress the game state, and I actually think mountainous has the highest quality dayplay, but this is definitely delving into mafia theory.
You seem to have presented some kind of internally consistent view, though, since an environment with lots of fakeclaiming would make rolecop more useful more often. I'm not sure whether I've ever fakeclaimed before, and in ye olde days I feel like it was rarer.

This is a very specific type of setup though, and from the info in my possession i don't think that claiming or faking could be harmful to town more than it to scum. I mean there are no true VTs in here, everyone has some sort of ability. Within that, there are better and worse ones - some would be worth claiming, some wouldn't. But yeah, this is game theory and i'm not strong on it being optimal play, it just occurs to me that it is also probably not the worst strategy as it would be, for example, in a newbie setup.

I'm confused by this post, you seem to agree that no one should take blast ever? But as it turns out, Gamma has some sort of special considerations for taking Blast that he should Not Talk About, and Salamence didn't take Blast at all.

Not really. I think there are reasons to pick blast discs as town, as some abilities and effects could be harmful, and there are different extents on how much you can control them.

There is bias in the way you've collected the data about claims. People with weaker roles are more likely to claim, because it's less harmful to town. So your "survey" has no pure elements except your own PM. The concept is called "response bias". Salamence likely would not have claimed even in his anger if he was such a powerful role it would throw the game to have him roleblocked or killed, Gamma claimed because his role harms town, similar to a day 1 Miller claim, TemporalLich, mostly same thing as Salamence. Then, any of them could be scum, and I don't want to think about which direction that would bias the sample, I'd prefer you either read over some completed role madness games and look at -all- the roles, or take my judgment over a biased sample.

Yes, probably. I did skim through the roles in that upick you mentioned, and they all have some weird flavor to them, however they look nothing like what i know about this game. I do agree that mechanics themselves are not useful to form strong reads, but speculation about them might, in this particular setup.

[Farkran]

@Kerset what do you think of pops and evenstar in this game?

[Farkran]

@Kerset what do you think of pops and evenstar in this game?

Actually let me elaborate first

- I already said that i think Evenstar is swingier than her usual self, and while i could buy town!her having an hard time with this game (lots of active and experienced people, etc), i think that the reads she's producing are not improving but rather deteriorating over time

- pops is always pristine in terms of analytical thought, but analysis produced does not seem solvy so far. This is a weaker thought.

I'd like your opinion on those two since you have also played with them

[Farkran]

I think i had you mixed up with skitter, sorry. You two have a similar player profile, talk a bit alike, also both participated in my first game here,

Still wanting kerset opinion though

Pedit: and here it is

[Farkran]

How I Actually Sort:
Legible Town | Legible Scum
Illegible Town | Illegible Scum

What does legible vs illegible mean?

Legibility is "ability to read."
High legibility reads look like flip-flopping back and forth between "definitely scum" and "definitely town.
Low-legibility reads look like fencesitting on "maybe town maybe scum idk."
Having a read move diagonally is a scumtell, because confidence and percieved alignment don't usually shift at the same time.

What slots have you proficently analyzed with this method?

More precisely, did anyone fall guilty to such scumtell? Who? Where? How does this reflect in your readlist?

I want to understand what's going on in your head because i'd much rather try to work with you than against you - however i can't say i've been able to do it so far

[Farkran]

I literally said i was not certain about it, and that i would be dropping the issue

[Farkran]

527 and 542

[Farkran]

So... you claimed to have a

strong

read on me, but now you just admitted there was no inherent scum intent in my words. Misreading/misrepping me also doesn't sound like a solid basis for a strong read.

I think my vote could have been actually well placed this time.

[Farkran]

townreading

Severa
Bitmap
Sujimichi
Alchemist21
Gamma emerald maybe

That's almost my scumread list. Could you remove bitmap?

Town

Bitmap
Salamen
Evenstar
Farkran
Gamma
Pops
Chemist
V&M
Suji
TL
Alchemist
Severa

Scum

Kerset, can you explain your progression on Gamma? Was she part of your scumreads or not at the time of the first quote? What happened in-between for her to make it up to above half of your readlist? I only see a lengthy exchange with Alchemist (which i think was NAI on the side of bad), some content about evenstar (which made sense but again, mostly NAI), a very weak and weird push against me (which is really bad given the reasoning provided).

[Farkran]

This is new, actually, I haven't formalized it like this before.

What I

will

do, though, is quote myself in magical girls mafia:

I'm going to be blunt: Saying "I think this person is scum" or "I think this person is town" is more about the social aspect of the game to me than the solving part of the game. It's easy to say, and there are always reasons to scum or town read anyone. Interacting with information is easy and it's not a problem for most people to make up fake, consistent reads.

What it's not easy to do is generate information. And scum have to do that. They have to falsify continually. This is why I care more about the reasons for a read than the read itself; reads, to me, are just announcements of "I think this guy is on my team." Towny -> "My ally", Scummy -> "My enemy."

This may be an insane way of playing the game to some, but frankly there's no such thing as a universal scumtell/towntell. All I can do is force the wolves to keep producing content. Eventually, that's going to lead to someone fucking up.

… except of course that's not the complete picture. Because the other half of it is mirroring, empathy, understanding.

You can see me just starting to edge towards the concept of "legibility" here, but as I was under pressure and had already gone on for like three paragraphs aboit the weird way I read games and my attempts to systematize it, I didn't want to keep yammering. Feel free to ask more questions if you want?

I understand the theory behind the process, my question was more aimed at the results you're collecting from it. My problem with you in this game is that you seem to be too swingy - i.e. you voted half of the player list by now, and i didn't see any plausible conclusions about any of your targets so far. Your readlist are, by your admission and by evidence, pretty much bs at this point (i.e. you voted kerset shortly after this post of yours). I know you for your smart "tricks" to harm scum, and analyzing your early votes has never been a proficient way to measure your thoughts. Usually, after a while, this process produces valid reads, but i don't see any coming from you in this game. I am having trouble in determining where you are sincere and where you are reaction testing/pressuring people.

TL;DR i'd like to hear what are your

solid

reads by now, if you have any.

[Farkran]

If you have any questions directed to me ask me and Ill answer if I can

So, from my understanding of your 351 your scumlist is {TL, Alchemist, pops, farkran}? I'm not sure if i'm still in there, perhaps more of a nullscum?

What strikes you as scum from pops?

Can you provide your thoughts about gamma?

Also about Evenstar?

[Farkran]

I think the trajectory towards Gamma isn't great and seems like an easy target.

Can you elaborate more on this? You've jumped off me in the same way when i was being wagoned by {suji, TL, alchemist, salamence}, now you're sus of {fark, pops} for being on gamma. What are your thoughts about the wagon targets and the people on them?

VOTE: pops

Not impressed with pop's slot.

Can you elaborate on this?

I too am interested in your analysis of pops (@bitmap)

poke

[Farkran]

UNVOTE:

852 is like, really naïve and disappointing.
And yet, like
It seems like an actual town perspective and doesn't really mimic other thoughts that have been posted in the thread.
Also doesn't seem like heavy consideration of TL's 3p equity which scum!Kerset would be thinking about.
I feel this weird rage at liking the response.

Yeah, this is my pops. Kerset's answer is exactly what i would expect from town!him, even though hisreasoning is probably very wrong in general. That's what Kerset learned.

Pops is ofc town in this game.

[Farkran]

VOTE: bitmap

I was probably wrong on him. He is refusing to answer my question (twice) + he has made a very weird swing on gamma + that push on pops was opportunistic af for no reason at all + pops could actually have been right about that earlier scumslip.

On the other hand i'm more inclined to believe salamence push as pressure, but i'd like that you scumcase pops now @salamence

[Farkran]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

...er. That could also work, they currently have very good associative potential (yeah, i like to work with pre-flip associatives, idc if you guys think they're satan) but i think bitmap has more individual scum equity right now.

[Farkran]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

...er. That could also work, they currently have very good associative potential (yeah, i like to work with pre-flip associatives, idc if you guys think they're satan) but i think bitmap has more individual scum equity right now.

No.

What's your "no" referring to? Bitmap being scum? Gamma being scum? Gamma and bitmap having associative potential? Working with associatives at all? Pops being town?

[Farkran]

I don't do long explanations or huge wall posts. I'm a simple ship girl waiting to meet my commander.

Yeah, uh...

I think the trajectory towards Gamma isn't great and seems like an easy target.

Can you elaborate more on this? You've jumped off me in the same way when i was being wagoned by {suji, TL, alchemist, salamence}, now you're sus of {fark, pops} for being on gamma. What are your thoughts about the wagon targets and the people on them?

VOTE: pops

Not impressed with pop's slot.

Can you elaborate on this?

I too am interested in your analysis of pops (@bitmap)

Please?

[Farkran]

pops push on Gamma and TL look like someone's picking off low-hanging fruit. Her trajectory from GE to TL is even worse because TL is probably one of those townies that just doesn't fit standard mold as town and just has really really shit reads.

pops also has acted really weird around the Severa slot that Severa has picked up like pops seems to be avoiding any major conflict in D1 and just coast.

Thank you!

So, let's see if i got this correct. This is my reasoning step by step:
1) you think that Gamma and TL are low-hanging fruits, therefore subject to preying votes from scum. I read this as "you're at least null-townleaning them".
2) you think that pops is one such scum, preying on Gamma and TL for being easy mislynches.
3) Earlier in the day (80), i assume that you made the same reasoning about me when i was being voted by {suji, TL, alchemist, salamence}, specifically about TL. Correct me if i am wrong, this is my deduction from what you have posted so far, i am not 100% sure my interpretation is correct.
4) Therefore, you probably thought i was also a low hanging fruit, whom TL was preying on. But you never voted him.
5) Then, you reconsidered TL and started thinking he was just wrong!town, which makes sense, but it should ring a bell inside you that even town people could prey on low-hanging fruits
6) Now you placed a vote on pops for doing pretty much the same thing on gamma that TL did on me.
7) This led me to ask myself the following questions:
-7a- Why didn't you consider the possibility that pops was wrong on gamma?
-7b- Why didn't you vote me for pushing gamma?

The only difference in points 4, 7a and 7b is that pops was also scumreading you, whereas me and TL were not.

If i am correct, i think you are scum

Otherwise, please talk to me about why i am wrong.

[Farkran]

like, idk why there aren't more Kerset votes at this point.

I think you don't know how to read kerset

Seriously though, you should dive more into his meta. This is town!kerset.

[Farkran]

like, idk why there aren't more Kerset votes at this point.

I will tell you a secret. Do you remember that there are up to 10 townies? Aside of your scum team, Farkran is solo townie and we are all third-party aliens. Poor boy is tryharding to read this game but has no idea that this is all meaningless. If you claim now we can turn you to alien!

You may have been joking but that's actually how i feel in most of the games where i was town, back in the days. On mafiascum it seems to be happening less frequently.

[Farkran]

pops push on Gamma and TL look like someone's picking off low-hanging fruit. Her trajectory from GE to TL is even worse because TL is probably one of those townies that just doesn't fit standard mold as town and just has really really shit reads.

I start to feel that you want to enforce this idea of "unconventional townies", just so you can feel free to play this game in dodgy way.

It exists.

Also pretty sure thats how Bitmap plays?

...not sure why you would step in to soft-defend bitmap here?

I mean you either wk him because you have a strong read of bitmap, or you let the questioning go on to sort either of the slots

[Farkran]

Ok, but the actual question was if you had a strong read of bitmap, and how do you read him if you do?

[Farkran]

have you ever played as a town role ever? I bailed on your wagon because honestly it shot up way too fast. I still think TL is probably town. pops was someone I was still gauging because I wasn't so sure if pops was being lazy. You assume I'm a very systemic and logical player. That is completely the opposite of how I play. I play very spatially and with gut. I also think very synchronously so I process one thought at a time. I don't really think asynchronously.

Eh, i read this as "i don't have any strong read right now", which is a bad reason to scumread pops based on his vote on gamma. The explanation about your playstyle is plausible for town!you, but does not prove anything in this context. It may be because i have a very different emotional approach to the game, but i think gut reads are the easiest to fake and explain. This does not prove you are scum either, but it does not help get you out of my scumreads.

To clarify, i am not carefree as town. I am frustrated and angry because i don't get what's going on in the game and i am never certain of my reads and actions, regardless of what i declare as "100% positive about this". As scum, i am a lot more anxious, but i don't display it in the day thread because i can vent in the PT, therefore i look much more carefree as scum than how i do as town, and i think this is true for most people - at least when put under pressure.

TL;DR i don't buy your motives for your actions, and your actions look bad.

[Farkran]

Reconsidered suji.

What caused you to reconsider, and what was it that led you to a town read on me?

Our exchange around 535. Scum who initially scumread me and then reconsider, usually hard townread me for pocketing/nk reasons afterwards. I liked you trying to draw a profile of a player you were unsure of, i think it's a solid towntell coming from your slot.

[Farkran]

Gamewide I think people are doing lists too much and I think discussing top 3's and why you feel that way is more relevant but I probably shouldn't try to browbeat people into following my style preferences

I agree with this. It would be more helpful for me if people would explain a few of their strong reads when asked, rather then produce an entire list of their reads with little or no explanation.

You can ask for details about specific players of a readlist, you know. I think readlists are awesome.

[Farkran]

Leadrist:

MOST TOWNY

Salamence
Kerset
Pops
Alchemist
Chemist
Severa
- DEAD NULL -
Sujimichi
Venus & Mars
Gamma
Farkran
Bitmap
TL

MOST SCUMMY

Yeah, I don't think TL has any clue what they're doing. They're causing mass confusion and it's scummy as fuck. It's like a worse version of Hyena. I'm putting my vote right back here; having taken a good hard look at their post history, I just don't think this kind of play ever comes from town.

I think i need to take a hard stance on you today without your help. Every readlist you post has me agreeing with half of it and strongly disagreeing with the other half. And every time this happens, the players involved are different.

At the moment i would place you among my top 4 scumreads alongside gamma, tl and bitmap. Will not be disappointed if you are today's lynch.

[Farkran]

Still haven’t completely caught up, sorry but current reads (again in no particular order) are that Bit, Gamma, Sal, TL, Severa and Chemist are all town and I think any votes on those slots are bad.

Maybe switch Even with TL? He’s a hard read because he in general, doesn’t have great reads - TL that is. I wrongly sr him in Gameshow.

@Salamence and @Severa, why were you suspicious of my slot for “not playing”? Both of you know exactly why I’m late to the game. I barely even posted anywhere on MS recently and wasn’t even online for much of that.

I don’t even know how much Shiro has read of the game and I’m still catching up. I’m counting on him to deal with the mechanical part of this.

Based solely on meta, rn I’d bet the game on Gamma/Bit being town but especially Gamma. This is GD Gamma to a freaking T here and whenever I hardtown read Gamma, I’m almost always right.

I might want to trust you on gamma if you explain her bad push on me around 473. Talk to me about her playstyle and whether he does that as town.

[Farkran]

Still haven’t completely caught up, sorry but current reads (again in no particular order) are that Bit, Gamma, Sal, TL, Severa and Chemist are all town and I think any votes on those slots are bad.

Maybe switch Even with TL? He’s a hard read because he in general, doesn’t have great reads - TL that is. I wrongly sr him in Gameshow.

@Salamence and @Severa, why were you suspicious of my slot for “not playing”? Both of you know exactly why I’m late to the game. I barely even posted anywhere on MS recently and wasn’t even online for much of that.

I don’t even know how much Shiro has read of the game and I’m still catching up. I’m counting on him to deal with the mechanical part of this.

Based solely on meta, rn I’d bet the game on Gamma/Bit being town but especially Gamma. This is GD Gamma to a freaking T here and whenever I hardtown read Gamma, I’m almost always right.

I might want to trust you on gamma if you explain her bad push on me around 473. Talk to me about her playstyle and whether he does that as town.

His posts just seem pure like he sounds really sincere and there’s really nothing logically inconsistent in his thought progression. Scum often have a hard time with this. I should probably link you to Gay Dance, which his play here most strongly reminds me of. I have rolled scum with him 3 times and when he’s scum, he usually sounds really off, makes posts that seem contradictory and don’t make a lot of sense, sometimes scum!Gamma’s posting comes off as weird but he has many strong nuanced reads on a lot of slots, plus there’s the usually town indicative negative/useless utility claim and her argument with Severa which reads tvt to me and I have real trouble seeing scum!Gamma go 1v1 with town!Severa like that.

I get what you're trying to tell me, but actually i do think that he is being contradictory in this game. I gave you a specific example to analyze because that's where i think he has been using bad logic to make his push, and refused to back it up when i questioned him about it. To be more specific, my problem with his push are 1. the reasoning itself is contradictory, 2. he said it was a

strong

read. I would have been ok if either the reasoning was good, or if it was bad and he was just pushing for pressure, but this does not seem to be the case. You can read 696-697 for additional details.

[Farkran]

@severa i'm interested in your scumreads, can you give me your top 5 scumreads ordered from *would dayvig instantly* to *would not push hard but ok if dies today*?

[Farkran]

I read the posts you linked, plus the rest of his ISO and I don’t see what you mean by him contradicting himself? This isn’t how scum!Gamma plays. Is Gamma pushing you? Yes? Does that make him scum? No because his posting doesn’t read to me in any way as agenda driven. Have you read his entire ISO or are just fixated on a couple of posts?

It's not the fact that he is pushing ME that makes him scum, it's the fact that it is a contradictory bad push. He misrepped me, twice, and then claimed he had a strong read on my slot. I am a moderately consensus scumread in this game, how is that not an opportunistic and agenda-driven push?

pedit: i have my scumgame in my sig, Newbie 1958

[Farkran]

Wheres the rain

lol

reaction test

Lets lynch either Farkan or Evenstar today.

yeah, ok, nice try

[Farkran]

Sure i would as long as it won't me on TM. My friends are going to watch me there so i need to look like super smart there.

You bet we will

[Farkran]

@severa i'm interested in your scumreads, can you give me your top 5 scumreads ordered from *would dayvig instantly* to *would not push hard but ok if dies today*?

Why do i have to poke everyone for answers? I'm trying to tryhard here

[Farkran]

Sure i would as long as it won't me on TM. My friends are going to watch me there so i need to look like super smart there.

You bet we will

If I don't get put in either your game or Kerset's game I will cry.

I'm glad you still love me, i didn't forget you <3 of i get to play as scum with you there we're going to endgame the town d1

[Farkran]

I was townreading Chemist and am willing to fight about it.

Alchemist is failing to meet low expectations here.

Who's scum besides TL, Alchemist?

I’d say it’s likely at least 1 scum is on my wagon right now.

Your vote is the least understandable to me. You’ve seen me be like this is Town before so why am I scummy to you for “failing to meet low expectations?”

Actually i think your wagon is pretty townie, i was about to jump on it too but i had two reasons not to, one of which being i am afraid to mess up the vc and lolhammer by accident due to the different vote amounts given to the players, how much are you at?

[Farkran]

And BITMAP?

That was part of the second reason, alongside with the fact i don't scumread alchemist

[Farkran]

@severa i'm interested in your scumreads, can you give me your top 5 scumreads ordered from *would dayvig instantly* to *would not push hard but ok if dies today*?

Why do i have to poke everyone for answers? I'm trying to tryhard here

Come on severa don't ignore me, this will be useful later on, i promise

[Farkran]

I'm starting to believe it too and if anything i'm not sure i want to lynch inside it today, even though bitmap remains scum

[Farkran]

Can we get a wagon going on evenstar now? I think there are shenanigans going on from her side

VOTE: evenstar

[Farkran]

Can we get a wagon going on evenstar now? I think there are shenanigans going on from her side

VOTE: evenstar

That was random as hell. Did you hope to get on severa list?

I wouldn't mind that, actually.

Also it's not random at all, my scumreads are {tl, bitmap, gamma, evenstar} and i just said i kinda don't want to lynch inside the neighborhood today

[Farkran]

Can we get a wagon going on evenstar now? I think there are shenanigans going on from her side

VOTE: evenstar

what part of GOD HAS SPOKEN do you not understand?

I am your god now

[Farkran]

Can we get a wagon going on evenstar now? I think there are shenanigans going on from her side

VOTE: evenstar

Farkran are you a magical boy

Pretty sure i am a magical girl, but didn't check in my pants since page 20 or something

[Farkran]

evenstar feels like she's cosplaying as me monkey sorting her readslist every time she posts it

Yeh, i don't like that.

[Farkran]

also kerset is still scum and you should be voting her.

I already told you, you don't know how to read kerset

[Farkran]

i neither like nor dislike it. certainly don't think she thinks it's an effective scum strategy. i think it's nai at worst.

The point is that she is UTRing exactly for that reason, she produces regular busywork, making it silly on purpose, meaning she can get away without making the slightest attempt at gamesolve and i don't like that. I've seen town!evenstar do way better than this.

[Farkran]

Can we get a wagon going on evenstar now? I think there are shenanigans going on from her side

VOTE: evenstar

Farkran are you a magical boy

Pretty sure i am a magical girl, but didn't check in my pants since page 20 or something

Then why are you seeing Evenstar as town this game? Like Severa points out, it's wonky and probably ineffective but it's not really clear how to link it to a scum wincon.

I suppose you meant to say i see her as scum? You spectated newbie 1958, you should know what i mean.

[Farkran]

Also it's not like she hasn't been willing to jump on formed wagons, among her jumping around here and there. Mislynching town does advance scum wincon.

[Farkran]

Farkhan if you dont have severas support you wont be able to lynch anyone today.

Id like to lynch TL, I could probably get Shiro Drew to sheep me if I tried, but theres too many others that wont go seperate from GOD D1.

Just give RC his lynch today fuck.

I don't care about memes revolving around RC if it wasn't clear enough, and you should stop too, it's starting to get weird

[Farkran]

*aren't, actually.
I did spectate it. I think she's playing differently in the process of being with a different playerlist but you're not really spelling out for me how different=scummier.
pedit: Farkran mislynching town is for magical boys.

I am finding scum intent in producing busywork while evaluating potential lynchbait by jumping around wagons. I think she is forcing to stay within her town meta, but by doing so also validating a wonky and non-solvy play.

I gave her time to produce results, then i asked her directly, but i didn't see any.

[Farkran]

The thing is, do we really see Kerset as end game potential?

Kerset is one of the easiest players to read in lylo-like situations

[Farkran]

*aren't, actually.
I did spectate it. I think she's playing differently in the process of being with a different playerlist but you're not really spelling out for me how different=scummier.
pedit: Farkran mislynching town is for magical boys.

I am finding scum intent in producing busywork while evaluating potential lynchbait by jumping around wagons. I think she is forcing to stay within her town meta, but by doing so also validating a wonky and non-solvy play.

I gave her time to produce results, then i asked her directly, but i didn't see any.

I can follow that somewhat. Thinking back I can remember her being solvier in the newbie, but she was closer to this in Magical Girls.
I'd definitely not interested in lynching her today.

I wished i wouldn't be interested in her too, but i'm seriously considering letting the neighborhood live. I think that's a good source of info that we would be losing if dismantled early. Later in the game, the neighborhood can probably be read easier than other people in here.

Currently, evenstar is my only alternative to gamma, and i have already collected enough info about gamma for now, whereas i am at a blank on people's opinion on evenstar, besides the fact that i'm seeing resistance against a wagon on her.

[Farkran]

Hey i am going to sleep. When you get bored of psycho-pressure games and desire to actually solve this game by logic, then call me for questions.

I will sheep this

[Farkran]

*aren't, actually.
I did spectate it. I think she's playing differently in the process of being with a different playerlist but you're not really spelling out for me how different=scummier.
pedit: Farkran mislynching town is for magical boys.

I am finding scum intent in producing busywork while evaluating potential lynchbait by jumping around wagons. I think she is forcing to stay within her town meta, but by doing so also validating a wonky and non-solvy play.

I gave her time to produce results, then i asked her directly, but i didn't see any.

I can follow that somewhat. Thinking back I can remember her being solvier in the newbie, but she was closer to this in Magical Girls.
I'd definitely not interested in lynching her today.

(premise: i catched up to page 53 before answering earlier posts)

I'm willing to give her more time after seeing he has produced some townie content, although the timing is still awkward and i'm not satisfied in seeing that the wagon got literally no traction despite several people are scumreading her (TL, Gamma, Bitmap). True that they didn't check in after i called for a wagon on her, but my point is that scum among other players would have been happier to join in a moderately consensus linchbaity wagon. It... is unlikely that we solve exactly in {tl, gamma, bitmap}, and i honestly thought bitmap was distancing from evenstar rather than actually scumreading her.

UNVOTE:

[Farkran]

VOTE: Kerset

L-4

I agree with this wagon and hate how the wagon dying is "to avoid accidental hammer" a.k.a. to avoid a correct hammer.

Are you trying to be linchbaity on purpose?

Serious question. It's not like i wouldn't respect that.

[Farkran]

@Suji I hadn’t read much of anything before now, and I want to post a lead rist before voting rn.

You seem to have read and engaged now. Could you post your reads list?

I’ll expand later but for now my strong reads are like
Severa and Salamence town
Farkran and you scum

@anyone with experience with gamma: is it compatible with his meta to produce strong scum
reads after putting so much effort in catching up and

trying to steal town leadership from a player she is TRing?

“Steal town leadership”? Wut?

He gave me this impression back when he was very active and spammy, while arguing vs severa and producing (what he declared being) "strong reads".

[Farkran]

Oh. That's mostly common sense, but i also explained my reasoning behind that assumption. Do you see anything wrong with it?

I mean, i like you attempting to draw a profile of me, but i think you're doing it wrong

If I'm incorrect in my assumption as to your style, that's fine. Thank you.

From my limited experience on this site, players can tend to get emotional and do things that defy logic or reasoning, so I can see someone claiming cop in exasperation or anger. I read Salamence's posts as such.

I don't think salamence fits with the emotional profile. If he was being emotional about that exchange, he would have voted the crap out of severa in colored, large sized bolded text

Is that inline with Salamence meta or is this just your assumption?

Assumption based on common sense. If you get emotionally upset enough to fullclaim, you are also upset enough to vote who pushed you to claim.

[Farkran]

This reads like a pocket

VOTE: Farkran

Nah, i have played with Kerset and read more of his other games for different purposes, and this is town!Kerset.

Have you played with him offsite because while he didn’t respond to my questions wrt to games, on reviewing his meta, I could find only towngames?

I believe i have a solid knowledge of how kerset plays based on the game we played together in my sig, having read all of his meta on this site, and having talked to him for TM purposes.

[Farkran]

Literally read TL backwards.
"A leadrist provides

negative insight

"
A parity check where X and Y are different alignment = Masons
Etc etc.
It's p. blatant once you notice it, and absolutely on purpose.

I might agree to this, but i do not see the town intent in doing so unless you are 1. Distancing nk, which does not make sense in this specific game where we are all prs; 2. Evaluating pushes made on you, which is how i usually scumhunt in early d1s. I don't see point 2 coming from TL though.

It seems to me that he (like you were up to 5 posts ago) is validating his own bad play and should not be townread out of it

[Farkran]

I wonder if the burden of meta should be placed on me, rather than on you.

To clarify: i do not find kerset scummy at all in this game, it's not just that i find him scummy but i townread him out of meta.

Why are you so strong on scum!kerset, besides severa scumreading him? Can you scumcase him with serious reasoning? @everyone

[Farkran]

I literally can't answer Salamence's question or I will be modkilled

...what if he actually has a post restriction about it? @evenstar

TL do you have a post restriction requiring you to lie about everything you say?

Also does 2+2 equals 4?

[Farkran]

I wonder if the burden of meta should be placed on me, rather than on you.

To clarify: i do not find kerset scummy at all in this game, it's not just that i find him scummy but i townread him out of meta.

Why are you so strong on scum!kerset, besides severa scumreading him? Can you scumcase him with serious reasoning? @everyone

I would expect Kerset to have noticed what TL was doing, but now I'm going ??? all over the place. Game's a mess in a few ways.

In more of a few ways, if you ask me. The game went from throwing bs for reaction testing purposes to thriving into convenient chaos, thus validating bad play for every scum out there. Notice how only lynchbait have been wagoned so far, whereas wagons against really scummy people met significant resistance.

This messed-up gamestate is mostly caused by severa and salamence but i think they're doing that with a town purpose in mind. I cannot say the same for the others playing along.

Besides, I think kerset wagon is scum-motivated. Alchemist wagon was probably also scum motivated. Looking at the common denominator there, we find bitmap, who so far has been voting against every lynchbait, which is in contrast compared to her backing off of too easy wagons earlier in the day.

I thought i'd let him live because of the neighborhood but actually let's not.

VOTE: bitmap

I'm still scumreading you (@even) though. What does not noticing a supposed TL shenanigan have to do with scum motivation?

[Farkran]

If it is, can I get nominated for a scummie?

No, but if you're town you can try to enter a ladder for bad reads

Nah, i'm joking, there are far worse, in this game and out of it. Your reads are currently not good though. They only make sense if you're scum.

I suggest you read again all threads revolving around newbie 1958

[Farkran]

Is the scum team Kerset/pops/Farkran?

Kerset/Pops I think are closely bound but they might not be scum. There's one neighbourhood, there might be others. I gotta say I'm not terribly thrilled with either of them though. Probably will let Severa have her lynch tbqh.

Eh... no. Kerset and pops are not close at all. That's exactly, precisely, without a doubt how i imagined they would roll when placed in a game together.

I'm almost certain they wouldn't behave like that if they were aware of being part of the same team (i.e. scum, or masons, or even neighbors - although the last case does not guarantee they are town together)

[Farkran]

As a general rule, scum are less likely to closeread, because they don't actually need to solve. So just writing off a shenanigan as a shenanigan rather than inspecting closer is >rad scummy imo.

Again, no - but i disagree less strongly on this. You need to take into account the

displayed

skill level of every player here versus their actual experience. The only ones who would fit to your description did not even participate in this huge mess.

And i still don't see how kerset looks scummy out of not noticing shenanigans with TL. If anything, i would question him about his scumread of severa or his vote on alchemist. Pops is slightly scummier, but not interested in lynching there atm

[Farkran]

You know scum can easily be like "haha no try again"?

Yes, so what?

[Farkran]

Can you link perfect masquerade? Newbies are easy to find but themed games are their own things

Also i really don't ser kerset and pops associative potential but i'm willing to listen your reasoning.

From my pov, they are enjoying playing together in a game after a long time during which pops spectated and praised him for being fun. No way they are aligned in this game while also being this carefree about their relationship and mutual defense in here.

[Farkran]

Ok so, i have a few issues with this game. Moderate wallposts incoming.

I have read the masquerade and heart of shadows games to gain some meta info, so:

Bitmap

I can notice a significant difference in tone between this bitmap and masquerade bitmap (town). In the masquerade game, he keeps a streak of solvy/skeptical posts throughout the whole game, including his PT - he never seems sure about players' alignment and tries to question her doubts, which makes a lot of sense coming from independent town. There are some joke posts, but he never forgoes scumhunting in favor of having random fun. This is Lady 8 ISO, look at posts ISO#19-20 and posts ISO#150, ISO#173 to have a few examples of what i mean. This tone is maintained despite the general weirdness of the game setup and after gaining a PT to share thoughts with.

In this game he starts semi-serious as of 77, for example, while not sheeping anyone but himself but then easily and quickly falls to Severa-driven nonsense by forsaking independent thought in favor of casting tons of votes while pairing with Severa almost every single time (183[post]-[post]215, 458[post]-[post]608, 713[post]-[post]732, 1415[post]-[post]1419). Even when he doesn't immediately sheep severa, she does so eventually (i.e. 1183). His only independent vote is cast on alchemist, twice (241[post] and [post]1126), whereas Severa townreads alchemist.

In heart of the shadows (hos from here on) bitmap (town) instead he matches more what we're seeing here, but he was once again obsessed with pops in the early game despite pops being town too in that game. That makes me feel weird about bitmap's current tunneling on pops, since i see pops being pretty much the same as hos!pops, and looking at their interactions in both hos and this game it seems that bitmap is omgussing more than he is analyzing. The first time would make sense, but one would hope he would have learned its lesson after that game and subsequently not do the exact same thing in this one.

My conclusions about this slot are that 1. Bitmap is vastly off meta from masquerade, and this makes salamence blind more than it makes bitmap scummy - i don't think this also makes salamence scummy because he wouldn't point it out backwards; 2. Bitmap is still scummy from the comparison of hos vs this game.

[Farkran]

I fucked up the bbcode but post numbers are correct

[Farkran]

Evenstar

Compared to both my game with her (town) and hos!evenstar (town), i see much more randomness in here. He has been throwing a lot of votes in all games i analyzed, so this matches her gameplay, but i know her for being one of the players with the highest potential for independent thought - he is capable of creating wagons, but not as systematically as she has been doing here. She also produced too many readlists (off her meta) and was way less analytical than her usual self about her votes.

This might be a result of this game's trend to craziness which is a significant change of pace for evenstar - as salamence said - but i don't think this should be the case when talking about a strongminded player such as evenstar. She has been more alike herself recently, but i have also prodded her about it and i think she respects me enough to pick up my warning to change her playstyle based on that, so that's mostly NAI. I'd like to see more from my (town) Evenstar rather than just sheeping.

[Farkran]

Speaking about this game wagons, my concern about them is that we are mostly, if not literally only, seeing wagons driven by Severa and sheeped by bitmap and salamence, whereas the rest of the town either joins in their wagon for little reason (once again this is mainly directed at Evenstar, but occasionally TL and Chemist too), or cannot cooperate - which is bad news by itself but it's also kinda more indicative of the others being actually TOWN rather than trying to look like it.

Based on this i'm much more inclined to believe in town!kerset, town!pops and town!suji. I also believe in town!Severa though - he's the engine behind the wagons but i'm much more worried about those who sheep him blindly than severa himself.

I think salamence is more towny than bitmap - he has moments of lucidity alternating dumb posts, and i'd like to see more of those moments from him.

Alchemist, i don't know - i dislike that vote on Kerset a lot but other than that he doesn't seem scummy in this game.

V&M are not playing, they're just taking consensus scumreads and inductively scumread them while not voting anyone. This slot is scummy.

Finally Gamma Emerald is also scummy for reasons i have already explained but i'd like to hear from him more when he gets back, i'm starting to have too many scumreads in this game.

I'm happy with my current vote on bitmap right now. My lynchpool for today is {Bitmap, Evenstar, Gamma, V&M, TL}.

[Farkran]

Also i think that Kerset, pops and Evenstar should vote bitmap right now.

[Farkran]

It's sad that no one of you can read me at all. I'd have hoped after a few games i would have been more readable, but so far i'm getting the same movie every time.

(I'm also so confused, cause I'm pretty sure half the playerbase thinks I'm either a fucking idiot or boring, and I'm not sure why?)

That's because you are. I'm not pocketing you, i think you are playing town wrong.

He seems to confident in me being town dispite the "distancing." I think Farkran might "Know" Pops is town and is trying to get towncred.

Then why i'm wking Kerset WAY HARDER than i am wking pops if i am sure pops is town? Open your eyes please.

@V&M: do you know why your reads make sense to you? Because you're sheeping general consensus. Take a look at who you are scumreading to see that every single scumread of yours has been easily wagoned on. You're not so naive as to believe wagons against scum aren't meeting ANY resistance.

@Chemist: you do not seem blind, so i'm interested in your explanation as of why salamence conclusions make sense. Please scumcase me.

[Farkran]

Also i think that Kerset, pops and Evenstar should vote bitmap right now.

Bit's claiming some bullshit power role; I'm willing to give the scum a night to call his bluff. So no, I won't be lynching him today, even though I think he's scum.
(Especially as I misread him badly in Heart of Light And Shadow.)

Are you confident in scum!pops enough to let her flip before bitmap? Why?

[Farkran]

VOTE: Farkran

I CHOOSE MY OWN DESTINY

VOTE: Fakran

I think this is a good vote. He sr Gamma and wrongly accuses him of being contradictory and his reasons for sr his PoE is making 0 sense to me. He wasn’t even remotely suspicious of me before I debunked his Gamma case and mentioned that self-meta post that he made in his newbie scumgame but not in his newbie towngame. His confidence on Kercet who has never had a scumgame is odd but his posting definitely reads as agenday to me. His Poe reads to me like he’s trying to line up mislynches. As for Pops, not opposed but I feel a lot better about this.

~M

Yeah, ok. Once your emotional-based tunnel fades, please reread your own posts and your own scumreads, then get back to me.

[Farkran]

Still on p 23 but liking so far (in no particular order), Gamma, Even, Pops, maybe Bit? I think Severa’s reaction to people falling for his gambit looks townie.

~M

Still haven’t completely caught up, sorry but current reads (again in no particular order) are that Bit, Gamma, Sal, TL, Severa and Chemist are all town and I think any votes on those slots are bad.

I'm referring to these two posts mainly - see how you removed pops and evenstar from there while adding Salamence, Chemist, and even TL? That's because you've been reading other people lately claiming that pops is scum, evenstar is scum, and TL is too scummy to be scum and therefore town.

You're not using your own thoughts - that's what makes you scummy.

Also you're wrong on gamma - he has been contradictory in the exchange i had with him. Check again posts 696 and 699.

[Farkran]

To be more specific about my exchange with gamma:

He claimed to have a STRONG scumread of me based on how i was "appraising" salamence claim. If you read my ISO you will notice that i have never been appraising salamence at all, i was reading his fullclaim as bs and i clearly explained my thought in 696. Even then, none of that is solid reasoning to have a STRONG scumread of my slot at that time.

[Farkran]

Are you town or scumreading us and Even? See this is another thing that’s pinging me. Why do you put slots in your PoE then talk to them like their town?

Also why WOULDN'T i be talking to my scumreads? How does this make sense to you? How do you try to gain information about your scumreads if you do not talk to them? I think i have already explained to you that general consensus is a very bad measure of players' scum equity

[Farkran]

Also you saying I’m not “using my own thoughts” , when I clearly am, is bs.

Show me where you are using your own thoughts as opposed to move people up and down your internal readlist because so far i have only seen general consensus reads coming from you, which MIGHT be ok but i would expect at least some concern when your instinct leads you to vote already populated wagons rather than doubt the town-motivation of any of those wagons.

TL;DR please produce a detailed readlist with only your own thoughts.

pedit: claiming i am misrepping you when -worst case scenario- we're disagreeing about how we read gamma is now how town sorts me. Also claiming "i'm not reading" is more indicative of a disagreement rather than scummy behavior, which would validate your claim of me being bad town from your point of view, but in no way that should justify a solid scumread. This looks like a bad push, and i'd like to know where it comes from.

I'm not sold on you, because emotional tunnels usually come from town and there's a non-zero chance that you're omgussing me based on a different view of other people's playstyles, but i'd like to learn something about you first. I reiterate my request for a readlist.

[Farkran]

@salamence Because alchemist is probably town, his only bad move was his vote on kerset but that's understandable from his pov

[Farkran]

Also you saying I’m not “using my own thoughts” , when I clearly am, is bs.

Show me where you are using your own thoughts as opposed to move people up and down your internal readlist because so far i have only seen general consensus reads coming from you, which MIGHT be ok but i would expect at least some concern when your instinct leads you to vote already populated wagons rather than doubt the town-motivation of any of those wagons.

TL;DR please produce a detailed readlist with only your own thoughts.

pedit: claiming i am misrepping you when -worst case scenario- we're disagreeing about how we read gamma is now how town sorts me. Also claiming "i'm not reading" is more indicative of a disagreement rather than scummy behavior, which would validate your claim of me being bad town from your point of view, but in no way that should justify a solid scumread. This looks like a bad push, and i'd like to know where it comes from.

I'm not sold on you, because emotional tunnels usually come from town and there's a non-zero chance that you're omgussing me based on a different view of other people's playstyles, but i'd like to learn something about you first. I reiterate my request for a readlist.

Well sorry but at this point in the game, I’m not making one. When I compare your reads with Pops, his are very nuanced. They don’t read confibiasy. That’s the difference. Why do you persist on insisting my read on you is emotion based? It’s not. It’s based on your drawing conclusions of people’s posts, that don’t make logical sense to me.

Is it a playstyle thing that you your reads seem like you’re clearly misreading things? Why shouldn’t I sr you for that? Why aren’t you even considering that you’re misreading certain posts? Yes, you could definitely be bad town doing this but you’re not even seriously considering what I’m saying makes sense. Why aren’t you doing that?

VOTE: v&m

[Farkran]

Yeah, not moving my vote. No way should Fakran be voting me here, especially based on that post. He isn’t reading and that looks seriously scummy.

I'm challenging you to produce content.

At this point you're null to me, leaning towards town for emotionally tunneling me by claiming i don't read, but i want to know who are your other scumreads - and more importantly, why.

[Farkran]

Yeah, not moving my vote. No way should Fakran be voting me here, especially based on that post. He isn’t reading and that looks seriously scummy.

I'm challenging you to produce content.

At this point you're null to me, leaning towards town for emotionally tunneling me by claiming i don't read, but i want to know who are your other scumreads - and more importantly, why.

Voting me is a really unpersuasive way to get me to do anything. And stop misrepping me. I keep giving you reasons which you keep dismissing as an “emotional tunnel”.

And I clearly am producing content, just content you obviously dislike.

It was quite persuasive if you ask me, and yes you're producing content now, but still refraining from telling me who are your current scumreads besides me.

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Also it's funny because you're saying i'm the one who's not reading, but you also claim i don't like your content when i went from scumreading you to a townlean based on my exchange with you, lol.

Your tunnel on me looks real, you can be town.

VOTE: bitmap, who once again jumps on bait without providing motive

[Farkran]

Holy shit pops is scum.

[Farkran]

Farkran is scummy. He is doing a reliable job of mimicking his high level of analysis he has as town, but the analysis is seems low quality/wrong too often, in ways where it'd be okay if it happened once but over and over it seems like he's being forced to scumread town or townread scum or use the correct answer and work backwards.
Salamence pointed out Venus and Mars are sheeping less than Alchemist, but I would go way further and say nothing about V&M iso is particularly sheepy, V&M has one of the more independent isos to me. Accusing them of being sheepy for reaching the same

conclusions

of other players seems like something that would only occur to a Farkran that is frustrated by a correctly identified townblock or delighting in teasing a slot for making the same misread the rest of the game is.
Sorry he missed my late night readslist.

This does not make sense... v&m did not reach the same conclusions of other players, they're evidently being tunneled and reading others out of consensus bias. No way you would not notice that. Me and v&m is pretty clearly TvT from your pov.

Salamence, i think he's town but refuses to even try not taking something at face value, he

absolutely

needs to be removed before lylo because scum are never going to kill him. Same about V&M.

Kerset is still town and disaligned from pops, who is probably pocketing him then? Does it make sense for alchemist not to realize that? @alchemist why are you aligning pops and kerset for specifically the reason why you should disalign them?

Bitmap... pops has been SRing him the whole game but does not want to commit into voting him. Bitmap has been consistently pointing out scumtells from pops (even when there weren't any) so i think they're disaligned and that makes bitmap town?

Suji is probably independently town

Chemist might be associated to pops, too little content to determine.

Gamma, same as chemist, but i would guess pops' slight SR of her might be either distancing or maintaining a window of opportunity to lynch her later if he's town.

TL... is pretty much the same as bitmap in this scenario? Would TL hard-townread pops if they were scum together? I think not, i wouldn't expect that from scum!TL.

Severa... is town if scum!pops.

That leaves me with Evenstar, who makes sense in bussing position against pops when she's wagoned... and possibly {gamma, chemist}.

VOTE: pops

[Farkran]

me, leaning towards town for emotionally tunneling me

Emotional tunnels are NAI for Nancy.

Emotional tunnels are really hard to fake as scum. How can you be sure of this?

[Farkran]

@Salamence and V&M: will you stop taking everything you read at face value? Seriously. You're going to feel bad once this game is over. Read intent, not words.

[Farkran]

@v&m you're not even realizing you are now raising your townread certainty about people only because they're scumreading me.

How is that logic-based? You need to sleep this over. I'm not being hostile, i know what it means to be emotionally tunneled. I correctly townreaded emps in my first game (newbie 1951) out of that.

[Farkran]

Farkran went from Bitmap to Shiro Drew to Bitmap and now Pops under pressure.

He dies today.

I give up on you. It's not like i didn't try.

After i flip, please remember that i told you.

@everyone else: i still think salamence is town

[Farkran]

Farkran went from Bitmap to Shiro Drew to Bitmap and now Pops under pressure.

He dies today.

Yeah, it definitely looks like he’s flailing. And considering Pops is still the leading wagon, it’s looks more like self-pres than a genuine read.

You have it backwards...

Ok, listen, you all need to get some sleep over this and read again later. I'm going to stop arguing now because you aren't being lucid.

I have provided my reads based on this exchange. Pops need to flip, and if he flips scum we need to look at evenstar first.

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alchemist why are you aligning pops and kerset for specifically the reason why you should disalign them?

Because it’s actually a reason to align them and not disalign them.

Scumpartners do not play along like that... do you know the history of pops and kerset together?

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@v&m you're not even realizing you are now raising your townread certainty about people only because they're scumreading me.

How is that logic-based? You need to sleep this over. I'm not being hostile, i know what it means to be emotionally tunneled. I correctly townreaded emps in my first game (newbie 1951) out of that.

You look like the only reason you are voting Pops, is because she’s sr you and the fact the she just happens to be the lead wagon, also make your sudden vote on her look opportunistic as well.

His ISO contains extremely nuanced reads and instead of arguing with her why you think she’s wrong, you vote a leading wagon that’s at serious risk of flipping.

No. I'm voting pops because she's better than not noticing me and you is TvT. If i wanted to omgus somewhere for no reason, it wouldn't be pops.

[Farkran]

Chemist might be associated to pops, too little content to determine.

Gamma, same as chemist, but i would guess pops' slight SR of her might be either distancing or maintaining a window of opportunity to lynch her later if he's town.

You’re gonna have to explain how you think these slots are aligned with pops when you count out other partnerships for similar reasons.

It's actually hard for me to find strong associational with pops. Those are my plausible poes, as opposed to other people being more disaligned.

Despite what any of you may think, pops is actually an awesome player.