Mini Normal 2102: Mafia à la Mode! (Game Complete)

[Almost50]

Page One is so ridiculous I can't even describe my feelings about it. My only monkey response would be:

VOTE: benhalkum
VOTE: Saladman27
VOTE: tris
VOTE: bob3141
VOTE: Pretentious
VOTE: Mizzytastic
VOTE: Skellen
VOTE: skitter30
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert
VOTE: Almost50
VOTE: RCEnigma
VOTE: BrightEyedFish
VOTE: DrDolittle
UNVOTE:

(And yes, I did ISO the mod to make sure none of these was a hammer)

[Almost50]

And I found my lock town too. Nice!

Did you find the key though?

[Almost50]

My page 1 post game clout read. Vex is scum.

I considered poking this, you can be town. Wanna vote with me?

VOTE: Vex Vience

I suspect this was an informed Scum plot to remove the slot before I could jump in. I am a TPR. TRUST ME!

[Almost50]

As if my lock town couldn't get more Towny

VOTE: Vex

No No No! You should be 1v1'ing with FL. THAT is how we lose the game. And post-game we will discover it was a TOWNSIDED setup and Scum were misplaying but Town helped them achieve their nigh impossible win.b *Nods*

[Almost50]

Getting out of rvs isn't inherently townie

I should've joined with AP. AP is always willing to get out of

his clothes

anything and into

bed

something else.

Poor me though. I have no clothes on. WAIT! That's a PLUS isn't it?

[Almost50]

1.)

B)

Also, you're confusing your numbers with your alphabets, aren't you? I wonder what you would have used if you had an additional point though.

[Almost50]

DDL and RCE are town.

Everyone else is scum.

Are you saying we lynch these two to achieve our standard wincon, which is to eliminate all threats to the scum faction?

[Almost50]

WAIT A BLOODY MINUTE. "Everyone else" includes YOU!!!!

[Almost50]

You think the

scum team

TOWN only has TWO members? Wouldn't that be overly

town

scum-sided?

[Almost50]

BEF, I recommend that we put me into confinement.

I very much agree. regardless of your alignment you will make me lose this game if I left you on the lose.

[Almost50]

I’m a 1-shot BP Miller.

Is the 1-shot for the BP or the Miller??

[Almost50]

At this rate, we’re gonna catch Kira by nightfall

You better not give me that in your upcoming game.
You better not give me that in your upcoming game.
You better

not

give me that in your upcoming game.

[Almost50]

I sense a trend

Darth Baker alt detected.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Lil

For being the oen that made teh post before this one

VOTE: bob

For misspelling befoer

[Almost50]

why the uv?

It's short for Uzi Vert. Duh!

[Almost50]

I have no sleep schedule and posted just after I woke up, then went back to double check and corrected myself.

I can relate with that. I woke up, turned the PC on, came to MS, saw a vacancy, and tried to replace-in, only to find I have posted it in the replacements thread rather than PM it to the mod. tw was kind enough (and quick enough) to save me from being caught in a Noob'ish mistake. I am talking about my replacement into this game.

[Almost50]

They think that all my

reads

claims are serious, those fools.

FTFY

[Almost50]

So I told myself I will 100% Lynch morality if he: claims miller, softs traitor/sk, hints at any kind of IC status.

3 for 3.

Wait. Where did he soft Traitor/SK? I must've missed it.

[Almost50]

judge

FL.

And now I'm resisting the urge to vote you for impersonating THE LAW.

[Almost50]

VOTE: morality

i suppose this means i am released from voting the fish

VOTE: morality

RCEnigma’s vote is fine, these are garbage.

Agreed. Since I consider myself to be in-the-know of what's been going on for a while between you and RCE I can fully understand his vote on you. I can't fathom why the other 2 jumped on you at this point, but I'll keep on reading

[Almost50]

VOTE: Dr. Dolittle His ISO is just voting bef, encouraging tris to vote bef and now voting morality without any reason at all.

That's Dr Dolittle for you. I don't blame you for DRing him if you don't know him, but -so far- it's NAI

[Almost50]

Actually, this players list is funny we should all be PL'd if we didn't know each other. I mean, we all do scummy stuff as part of our playing styles. Some of us even fo it on purpose for various reasons. The trick here is to identify something that is genuinely scummy NOT because of a player's personality and NOT because they did it for a reason.

[Almost50]

You would do it as scum or town, what matters is the context and in this case the context is the playerlist.

RCE: Sell me Morality scum. I want to get even with him for lynching me in LyLo in a game that has just ended (he was Scum) bu you also know the game that ended just before that in which I also got lynched in LyLo after having lynched him the day before and he was Town. Like, I dunno if I want to lynch him here just to be safe of if I should give him a chance for another day before I decide. Help?

[Almost50]

BEF use your BEF guilty on morality

[Almost50]

the problem with that is that i'm town

We all are, until proven otherwise.

[Almost50]

what makes me more scum than the others?

The way you respond to every post directed at you with a question, for starters.

[Almost50]

Look at your ISO and count how many questions you answered with another question.

WOW. Locking BEF for town here. (First serious read)

[Almost50]

I never post this much as scum

Exsqueeze me??!

You were the top poster in THIS GAME. You had posted 2 posts more than DOUBLE the 2nd top poster. You ain't fooling me with this BS.

[Almost50]

I guess I do have a mild SR on Morality already. There's no point denying that. I am just being extra careful because I know I'm salty about that game and I do want to lynch him regardless, so I'm trying to be more objective just in case my vision was already coloured before I even read a word of this game.

[Almost50]

I don’t think I’ve ever claimed BP as scum before either, so that throws a wrench at RCE.

My Morality account is literally created so I can do insane maniacal stuff, so using meta for FL is completely irrelevant. RCE has even played against ScumMorality and it wasn’t anything like this.

I've never claimed to be an exotic dancer before, as it never occurred to.

My AP account is literally created so I can flirt with chick without being branded a womanizer myself.

Now what does THAT have to do with my alignment in THIS game??

[Almost50]

You may all call me your emperor.

Alright, you Majesty.. I am reluctant to tell you there appears to be a coupe in the making. The people seem to want a more democratic regime of sorts.

[Almost50]

I’m a Jailkeeper. Take it for what you will.

I'll take it for another fake claim of yours. The question is whether it's scum motivated or FL motivated (i.e. is it scum or NAI?)

[Almost50]

Skellen's entrance is townie AF. Second serious read here

[Almost50]

i don't townread skellen's entrance, which is mildly concerning

What's pinging you there? I thought it was a strong Townie entrance myself.

[Almost50]

VOTE: vex

At least I know it wasn't A50 paranoia motivated.

[Almost50]

Why do I do this to myself?? Why do I ALWAYS do it??

I mean..

- I check the replacements to see where I can help
- I spot a game that is not too bad to replace into (it's a Normal) and has just started (D1.. 23 pages)
- I check the players list and there's nobody I'd hate to play with, and there's even a bunch of names that I actually LOVE to play with (some them will might tunnel me, some may get extra cautious, but still..)
- I tell myself to READ before I join
- I immediately change my mind for fear the slot might be taken by the time I actually send my PM
- I join the game and it is CRAZY and I have no clue what everybody's doing or where they're coming from

This is by the end of page 10, and it's partially in response to Morality's attitude in particular. I dunno if his screaming is classic Scum!FL (it could be and I have seen him do it) or if it's Town!FL gambitting/trolling (I also have seen him do it). I could write it off as NAI, but then I'm not comfortable doing even that!

[Almost50]

Can we all agree LUV is scum at least?

I dunno. You should know better as he was scum with you the last game. As for me, I have given up on trying to read him in any given game. that's why I didn't push him in that game.

[Almost50]

Honestly I don’t even really care about Day 1 beyond not lynching a potentially strong town player because I find that scum win rates go up when you lynch scum Day 1 - and some players just shouldn't get near LYLO.

Would you care to rephrase this in simple English?

You say you don't want to lynch a string TOWN player on D1, which is fair. Then you say scum win rates go up when we lynch SCUM D1?? SO you want to lynch a townie who's play is weak?? Am I reading this correct?

[Almost50]

Morality - 2 (RCEnigma, benhalkum)
tris - 2 (Mizzytastic, BrightEyedFish)
DrDolittle - 2 (Saladman27, bob3141)

Quoting for later. There's one scum out of these 3 wagons. ONE. And there's ones scum player vote out of the 4 not voting the scum. Mark my words.

In other words: If any of Morality/trus/Dolittle flip red then the other two are town AND the two voting them as town as well. That's FOUR conf!townies in my book.

And if any of RCE/ben/Mizzy/BEF/Salad/bob flips red then the other 5 are all town AND the player they were voting here is town as well. That's SIX confirmed townies in my book.

So, I'ma prolly be looking for the scum in the 6 players pool because it gives me more townies, and I already have BEF as town here so it's a 5 players pool for me actually. I also have a Town lean on RCE, so maybe not him but I am not removing him completely from the pool unless someone else flips red. So, let's say RCE is off the list for today only.

Now I do have a problem. I believe I only played bob once maybe (the name is familiar, bur I don't remember specifics). As for ben/Mizzy/Salad I don't even think I've played them before, so I need some massive help sorting them.

[Almost50]

EoP 21 and I TR Mizzy(Elliot??)

I kinda want to know if effort is AI for them, as part of my TR is based on effort. I don't see me doing these walls they're making if I was scum.

[Almost50]

Heya a50
Unfortunately i think your slot is scum
I'm going to try not to tunnel tho

I claim Unlynchable Ascetic PGO

P.S. This is a NORMAL, so at last TWO of these can't even be true. The third is a lie just to complete the trio.

[Almost50]

So I told myself I will 100% Lynch morality if he: claims miller, softs traitor/sk, hints at any kind of IC status.

3 for 3.

Wait. Where did he soft Traitor/SK? I must've missed it.

When he told Bef to confine him. Since Light did the same in the show to prove he wasn't writing names in the death note while "Kira" continued to kill. Both traitor and SK fit that theme.

That's a bit too contrived even for someone like FL. His claims/crumbs have always been much more obvious in my experience with him.

[Almost50]

I was Judge Joseph Dredd in OK2, I get to be Judge Flavor

No you were not! You were Gregory Scarpa Sr. JJD was your FAKE claim.

[Almost50]

Why can’t there be 1 scum on each wagon, and they’re all town...?

Because "Occam's Razor". When I saw the VC the first thought that jumped at me was what I just said. I inspected it further on my mind and it looks like the most likely scenario, so I posted it for my own reference. I'll revisit when we have flops and info to see if it still holds, bit for now that's where I'm coming from.

[Almost50]

A50 that logic you just used would ultimately mean you are saying skitter must be scum.

Huh?? Skitter isn't even voting there. She was not voting in that VC. If I had to guess, then there's probably one scum in the non-voters and the 3 voting vanity wagons altogether. Now why would you single out skitter from that pool?

[Almost50]

Wait! I thing I get it. You misread my post as saying one scum is voting ANYONE. I said one scum on the other two.. the non-scum who had 2 votes on them.

[Almost50]

i would never have guessed otherwise

Well, one has to be extra-careful of late as some players don't regularly check the wiki to know what's allowed and what's banned in Normal setups.

[Almost50]

I kinda thought your initial posts upon repping in were scummy
I think i changed my mind for now tho

What do u think of ddl?

I have no particular read on DDL other than he's probably 33.33% scum (as a member of the Pretentious, tris, DrDolittle 1/3 scum pool). I dislike both pretentious and tris though so maybe DDL is less than 33.33%?? I mean, I don't have a confident SR on either but they both are confusing to me. You may add ben to the confusing pool if you like. Confusing as I can't really get a read or understand where they're coming from.

So far my confident TRs are BED and Skellen. My Town leans are RCE and Mizzy. I have yet to form a read on you (you haven't done anything overly AI from my perspective), and neither did bob. LUV is someone I'll never be able to read for the rest of my life (and I have been scum with him of late, and I couldn't tell the difference between what he did there and what he does as town. I mean he USED TO BE more active as scum, but lately he has been lurking as either alignments)

[Almost50]

Wait! I thing I get it. You misread my post as saying one scum is voting ANYONE. I said one scum on the other two.. the non-scum who had 2 votes on them.

oh do you mean one scum on each of the other 2 wagons instead of just one out of the six.

No.. One scum in the 3 who had 2 votes on them. 1 scum in the 4 voting the other two, and one in the rest (those would be the vanity voters AND the none voters, so removing the others those would be LUV, Skellen & skitter.)

So, let's say tris flips red. this means Pretentious and DDL are town, as well as Mizzy & BEF. Now I'd be looking for one scum in the pool of RCE/ben/Salad/bob (hint: It's not RCE). The third should be in the pool of LUV/Skellen/Skitter (again, that probably would be LUV >> skitter >> Skellen as I see it right now. This may change after we get glips and investigation results.. etc)

[Almost50]

Fair enough

I really want to wagon ddl tho

Sell me the case without using the term "I feel"

[Almost50]

That's enough for you to feel uncomfortable with him, sure. But why should >I< SR him for it?

And regrading the first line, let's not open than can of worms. You [n]know[/b] why I said not to use "I feel". It's in the past nowm so let's keep it asleep.

[Almost50]

Gees! Can't even type the tags correctly. :faceplam:

[Almost50]

Ok.. I probably should be doing previews before I post.

[Almost50]

Trust me

Oh, you convinced me. I'm totally sold you're town now.

[Almost50]

a50 you have no comments for posts between 400 to 500?

I may have had undeveloped thoughts that I didn't feel the need to share at the time. I have posted everything I thought would make a difference.

As for the 1/3 theory, I am not twisting anyone's arm to vote any of them. I am undecided myself still, and if you dislike the 3 wagons you can always present your case on a4th person and sell it to us.

[Almost50]

frankly i dont think your posting is out of your scumrange, and your pred. looks bad.

I mean, for the majority of players .. my posting is never "out of my scum range". In a recent game (I was playing under an outed alt) the majority of the game SR'd me at one point or another, and people in the dead thread were swearing at the living players for not lynching me, when I only had like 2 or 3 who TR'd me (and I was town). Gosh, even one of the 3 (that's FL) second guessed his long standing TR on me towards the end of the game.

So, my point is if you are setting a range for me, please broaden your boundaries so that I'm almost always scum (even when I'm the game mod-confirmed Innocent Child)

Now let me ask you this: What if we lynched one of tris/Pretentious and they did flip red? Would you still see my proposed theory as "lining up mislynches"? And how are my read any different if I had said "I think there's probably one scum between those 3" and stopped at it? Also, does the fact that I am debating AGAINST your lynch matter to you? Because -from MY PoV- your response here is incriminating of you in more than one way:

1- You're afraid we lynch the others (or they otherwise flip) and they flip town, and then it will be your turn, sp you are preemptively arguing against it.

2- The fact that you ARE calling them "mislynches" says you may "know" that for a fact, or -at the very least- do not genuinely SR either of them (contrary to your declared SR on FL)

3- Some players may even see this as me chainsawing you and you distancing from me, i.e. we're both scum together. I know I am not scum, so you are establishing false associations with me in case you got lynched.

Now, I need you to address each of these 3 points separately if you please. If I get a satisfactory response I will unvote you, but for now..

VOTE: DrDolittle

P.S. I LOVE how people of late have been able to convince me to vote them right after someone else failed to convince me to. It's ironic, but still feels pretty funny.

[Almost50]

Ben is literally the most obv scum in this game, and has zero actual reasons that both you and Skitter have claimed to be NAI about.

Mate, I only have one vote, so I am taking them down one by one. YOU are not off the hook yet, but it maybe your lucky day if Dolittle flips red.

[Almost50]

Fuck it. A50 should we claim masons.

Nah. Not faking Masons ever. Not my style.

[Almost50]

Can somebody please impose a post-restriction on FL and all his alts through the site? You should only be allowed 100 posts per 24 hours under ANY account of yours.

[Almost50]

@pretentious i think you're trying to manipulate me into townreading you rn

Just ignore him. We will be able to figure him out sooner than later anyway, and I want to be able to read other slots in this game without the noise he is creating.

@FL: Go promote your new game. We've had not a single signup since it went in the queue. Just the pre-ins (and even one is unconfirmed still)

[Almost50]

Also A50, why are you so confident on your townread on bef? Going by your catchup you went as far to lock him as town for pursuing his tris scumread. Why is that so strongly town indicative for him?

Did you play with BEF before?? He's like OBVIOUS as either alignment from the way he thinks and the way he posts.

Also, why that VC? Because THAT is what I was thinking at that precise point. Sorry to have said it aloud, but it's already out there so I can't take it back.

Why those specific groups? WHY would scum be "bussing" there p when there's only 1 other vote on them? I think one scum would be on a counter wagon and another would be either on a vanity wagon or not voting at all. This is not carved in stone, but it's something I see a lot when I analyze games I play in. ESPECIALLY on D1.

[Almost50]

im not good at writing walls but
0 - not out of your scum range just means you are not conf town in my eyes. + your pred looks bad, and you inherit that. i didnt calll your posting scum at all.
1 - or, it could be that i dont feel good about you lining up lynches. its one of my biggest peeves and you want to line up 3.
2 - semantics. if this a reason youre scumreading me you're probably scum.
3 - im not a good scum player (or town player). i don't play this type of long term cons as surviving the day is tough enough. you played with me-scum and you should you know this.

0- You may not have said it but you strongly implied it
1- Nowhere did I say to lynch all 3, nor to even start with one of them. I wasn't even voting anyone at the time. All I did was split the players into overlapping groups for my own convenience.
2- So if I call you a mislynch while I -simultaneously- said I SR you you won't be suspecting me, right? Because it's just semantics to call it a

mis

lynch.
3- Am I supposed to remember every little detail about every single player I played with? I seem to remember you also modded me, so you should know this is a playstyle.

[Almost50]

FL shouldn't be in lylo and if you guys don't deal with him before then I would be super disappointed.

I fully agree tbh. That still doesn't mean we don't give him one day to try to prove his innocence. Erm.. unless of course he is a Vig, in which case it'd be best to lynch him today than wait for him to shoot/powerlynch a townie.

[Almost50]

Did you play with BEF before?? He's like OBVIOUS as either alignment from the way he thinks and the way he posts.

what is obviously town about the way he is posting?

How am I supposed to explain this? OK.. he types with his left hand when he's scum and types with his right hand as town.

[Almost50]

Is anyone townreading tris?

Not I. She continues to ask questions that feel forced and serve no real purpose other than for her to appear like she's poking stuff. If that's her playing style then it's irritating.

[Almost50]

VOTE: BrightEyedFish I think.

I also don't really like how he was acting around the Morality/Pret wagon.

FFS! Pick just about anyone else to lynch, Skellen. I only have you and BEF as strong town reads so far, and of a pool of 12 players you only chose BEF to vote???? I mean, I'd have understood if you voted me over BEF.

[Almost50]

VOTE: BEF

OK.. I get that you don't read him. Fine. But would you care to explain why you had to wait for someone else to start the wagon for you to jump on it?

[Almost50]

Because it cannot be explained. Not easily anyway. Like, 50% of town!BEF posts don't make sense. Period. 50% of scum!BEF posts don't make sense

to come from town

. His posts here do not have ANY scum motivation what-so-ever. He is being himself.. him-town-self that is.

Now, do you think this explains anything to you? I would expect you to say it doesn't, because I am trying to explain how it

feels

to me, and you're not me. I am trying to explain something I have personally experienced (I played with him and I modded him) and you weren't in those games.

[Almost50]

bef is not scum and a50 you are scummy for suggesting so

Are you even reading this game??

[Almost50]

Like, if I wasn't already voting you I would vote you right now because of that 786 "declaration". You are just looking for "something" to get back at me with, and you failed miserably. Next time read the game and make sure you know who is saying what.

@DDL

[Almost50]

by a50 I mean tris

??? Now I'm not even sure you're sober (no offense. Honest) so I'll take back that last post and will not hold it against you.

Just for clarification though: I am the one who was defending BEF. Maybe you did get that and that's what you meant by the above quoted post?

[Almost50]

... in 786. My lynch list in 788 still stands.

*Scratching head*

So let me get this straight... you agree that BEF is town, and you think tris is scummy for suggesting otherwise, but you want to lynch me as your first option and you don't want to lynch her at all. Does this sound right?

[Almost50]

... in 786. My lynch list in 788 still stands.

so, you're saying i was scummy for suggesting BEF scum?

and you're saying a50 is in your lynch list?

do i have that right?

Thank you, tris. I owe you one (for proving to me that my logical unit is still functional)

[Almost50]

It's exactly his behaviour after leaving the Pret wagon that doesn't make sense for me to come from town

And what is his scum motive for doing so? Unless you believe Pretentious to be scum in which case you should have voted Pretentious (at least he does have a wagon on him).

[Almost50]

read a little further

Yeah.. it's a bade habit of mine that I can't shake. I catch up on the order on posts and I respond as I read. If I try to change that I lose my grip of the game altogether.

[Almost50]

See, that's the problem. You expect BEF to do something rational. Something logical. Something you would do. He doesn't. He is simply a different guy with a different line of thoughts altogether. He does what he feels, and doesn't think of the consequences. He once claimed something (Daycop) when he was actually a Vigilante. And on DAY ONE no less. On another fame he faked a guilty in another townie when he was a PGO.

As scum though, he slipped hard that he posted in the main thread when he meant for it to be in the scum thread, and when confronted about it he claimed it was meant to be a PM to the mod!! (How do you confused a PM with a post??). You know what was even more funny> He was in a neighborhood, and he could've easily said it was meant for the neighborhood PT instead.

So, you see.. this is NOT scum BEF for certain. I'd bet the game on it. Oh, btw.. that scum slip ALSO happened on D1.

[Almost50]

Chill! You weren't watching him from above in Ok2, as you were more focused on killing everyone in the game, you sleazy backstabber.

[Almost50]

I didn't even notice the misphrasing in Mizzy's post. I read it in jest and it auto-translated into "avoiding a no lynch" in the back of my mind

[Almost50]

Hmmmm.. I wonder how different things would have if I had 4 solid TRs instead of 2. Like, what if I had skits as town already? Or RCE??

[Almost50]

@DDL: I think I like you. That's why I have the urge to kill and stuff you... to keep you for good. Tell me why it's a bad idea to have a stuffed bear in my living room.

[Almost50]

Is it migration season already? *Checks calendar* Yep. It's fall and my flock is flying from ddl to tris. I had better join them.

VOTE: tris

[Almost50]

No stuffed bears this season feels bad though.

[Almost50]

So.. a Tracker inadvertently lol!hammered a Doctor, and still got shot at night?? Was this a Vig shot by any chance? Pretentious: Who did you target?

[Almost50]

I'm confused by all the talk back and forth with so many assumptions being taken for granted.

The one that confuses me most is WHY are you all accepting that skitter was shot by scum and not a Town Vig? Can we at least wait to see if a Vig claims it? Because THAT changes the whole game.

I am not the Vig

for starters. Everyone else should also claim explicitly whether they are a Vig who shot skitter. If we end up with no Vig claims THEN (and only then) will I accept that scum shot the player that lol!hammered the Doctor. It doesn't make much sense to me because I personally would have second guessed skitter for this move (and it's pretty unusual for her to lol!hammer), so skitter was definitely going to be a lynch candidate today. I also didn't notice any crumbs (and generally speaking skitter doesn't do crumbs) so -again- that kill doesn't make much sense to come from scum, unless I'm missing something.

My other reason for not voting pretentious yet is basically WIFON, so it's weak sauce. (In my mind FL would shoot me over skitter 10 times out of 10, but he is also resourceful as scum to see that a kill on me could shade him so he opted for the second best choice which is to shoot skitter and then shade me for it, because if I was scum >I< would have shot skitter as a 1st choice, yet I swear I had nothing to with it). So is pretentious is scum he most likely shot skitter to implicate me and would have hit 2 birds with one shot as they say.

So, my main issue is to make sure skitter wasn't a town kill, and then I will consider the game status based on facts not expectations and make belief. Thank you

[Almost50]

A50 if a vig shot skitter than why only the one night kill.

Erm... we have a JK claim?? No matter how shady it looks we need to consider that it just might be true. If I've learned anything from my recent games (during 2019) it's that outguessing the setup designer is a bad idea.

[Almost50]

And if there were only scum would be aware if they didnt perform a night kill as a gambit

EXACTLY. Which is why there's no harm in outing since Scum would already know of its existence, but town don't and it would lead us astray.

Now if turns out there is NO VIG then I'd be more confident lynching Pretentious.

[Almost50]

If some does claim vig what would it prove?

GDI. It proves the scum kill was BLOCKED BY THE JAILKEEPER. Either he targeted scum or protected the scum NK target.

Wait! I am not asking for someone to claim Vig anyway. I am asking for them to claim IF THEY SHOT SKITTER. If a Vig existed that didn't shoot skitter then I don't care for them to claim.

[Almost50]

As thats who pret claims to have visited.

He does?? I must've missed it. So, that explains why you didn't get my argument (and why I made it in the first place). Hmmm...

[Almost50]

Wait! It seems like 1008 is still the last post from Pretentious, and I don't see him claiming his target yet. What am I missing?

[Almost50]

There’s probably a strongman

It’s obvious who I targeted and he should have known from the very beginning I was gonna target him.

Shall I claim it now or wait

Thats if im reading this right

He claims there is a strongman. Thus some must have still died

If he had blocked a kill he wouldnt be talking about a strongman

Erm.. skitter is a SHE, and pretentious is familiar with her enough. I think he said strongman to justify the existence of a Doctor AND a Jailer in the same setup. Whether it's a sincere deduction is another matter altogether.

[Almost50]

It makes more sense as just a passing thought inspired by Saladman27 speculating that scum have a ninja.

I mean, I think that scum have a night kill. Actually, I believe they do.

[Almost50]

@a50 why are you so unconvinced that scum would kill skitter based on threat?

I already explained it. skitter is a good scum NK in general, but the lol!hammer makes it a bad kill. When I want to avoid being NK'd I usually try to do something like that on D1, and it keeps me in the lynchpool for the rest of the game, so scum are less inclined to shoo me.

[Almost50]

That's what I'd do as scum, actually! "Sorry! Didn't mean it. Wasn't counting. Really sorry."

[Almost50]

I think BEF just has terrible reads.

Look, I'm trying to give you all the time and room you need here in order for me to make an enlightened decision (so as not repeat the mistake of Fogport), BUT .. this here quote is terrible in itself. How can you say that when BEF has both ben and Salad as scum reads (2 people YOU scumread) alongside you. I mean, just because he misreads you (if it's true) he should still be considered to have good reads (2/3 ain't bad, is it?).

I mean, going fully mechanical (my strong suit) your claim is still okay'ish (I know many will disagree, just like they did when I said Bingle was SCUM IN FOGPORT, and that the Scum team only had THREE MEMBERS IN A 17 PLAYERS SETUP). I wish I can totally wipe the memory of that game from my mind. *Sigh*

However, on a tone level, I get the feeling that you are playing us. Something's amiss. Something smells fishy. That's why I am reluctant to take a stance here because I know the wrong decision regarding your alignment will cost us the game, regardless of what it truly is.

Oh, and I also don't like your indecisiveness about RCE. You're supposed to be the reference on reading him. Am I wrong?

[Almost50]

Mechanically if he's not lynched do scum leave jk!pret alive hoping he misses and gets lynched tomorrow? Or is it too risky? I know night spec usually bad but it seems important to the argument here

This just sticks out to me need to check something

@Mizzy: I don't think scum!you ever says this in public, so I'd give you free town points for it. However, we don't have enough info at this time to answer your question from yesterday yet. I mean,

on a totally hypothetical level

, if scum had a strongman (as a role, whether unlimited of multi-shot), the right play is to send them out doing the kill and leaving the JK alive for WIFOM. The JK gets shot only if they become obv!town and/or if the strongman is out of shots.

I always say "to catch scum you gotta think like one", and the JK is no threat AT ALL of scum have a strongman ability, and neither is the Doctor.

In fact, That's why strongman is a more plausible possibility than Ninja right now. I'd have considered it even more likely if skitter did crumb Tracker somewhere because Ninja doesn't have to worry about Tracker anyway, but still Pretentious being alive over an unclaimed PR is puzzling me, unless it's true scum have strongman and opted to use it to nullify the JK for the time being while keeping him as the main suspect.

But all this talk doesn't make Pretentious any townier. His tone is off to me still, and I detected a subtle attempt to pocket me too. The only thing keeping me from outright calling him scum is he doesn't seem to care to pocket REC, yet he is not outright pushing for an RCE lynch. (Damn you FL for making me chase my tail all the time).

[Almost50]

A50, I was calling you scum majority of the end of day yesterday, what are you talking about

EXACTLY! Now what changed your stance overnight? Why am I not pinging you anymore? You're no investigative, so that can't be it, and you jailed RCE do that can't be it either. (I think I pinpointed what was making me feel off about your "tone", which turns out to be not exactly your tone)

[Almost50]

GDI! You're like the 3rd person to draw my attention that I tend to pay more attention to little details as Scum than Town. I need to change that soon or I would be readable for the while site in no time 9and just before TM 2020?? That would even suck more!)

[Almost50]

I am the only one who sees that I am town apparently.

*Bursts in laughing while letting Pepsi shots out of his nose*

^That's why you don't drink and read FL posts at the same time, folks.^

[Almost50]

I'll be back when I've cleaned up the mess I've just made in here

[Almost50]

This is how I'm reading FL right now:

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

@DDL: There's only so much I can take from your tunneling. I was SRing all of D1 too, but -unlike you- I am trying to reevaluate and not be like "I'll go down this road regardless", although I very much could, because if I stick to my guns I can reconfirm i think there has to be 1 scum between you and Pret, and I'd be willing to lynch either of you and if they don't flip red I'd lynch the other.

However, I'm the kind of guys who takes a pause and thinks "what if I was wrong? What if scum are not following the general patterns of scum play?".

So, anyway.. let's hypothetically assume I'm scum here. Who the fuck are my partners, and why?
Now let's assume for a moment that I'm conf!town. Again, WHO are the scum and why?
But you going on like a broken record with "A50's scum, but I'll case him later" only serves to make me want to lynch you anyway, just to relief my head from the headache. So, please, get your head out of the gutter and throw in some genuine effort into this game. Thank you.

[Almost50]

VOTE: a50
New day new wagon

i dont really scumread saladman.

ill case a50 sometime this week, but I think it flip sscum

like in my mind 70 percent + chance

I rest my case. Then you go on to add that you didn't TR my predecessor, then that I did nothing townie today -from your PoV- and that you didn't like my theory.. etc. WHERE THE FUCK IS THAT CASE ON ME?

I don't like your play, so you must be scum. I am not reading your posts, so you must be scum. I play ina different way to yours, so you must be scum. An FYI, I gave other suspects that may or may not be scum with you, so you must be scum. How am I doing?

VOTE: DDL

Let's get this done and over with. One of us flips today.

[Almost50]

I don't even remember who's voting whom anymore, and guess what? I don't even care.

[Almost50]

This game is dull. Let's spice it up.

VOTE: Pretentious

Ready to end the day

[Almost50]

Ben, A50, Salad?

How are you liking that propsed scum team?

I suppose you mean some form of team that Pretentious had suggested in one/multiple post(s) of his, and my response is: I literally am NOT reading his posts anymore. This is a refined version of Mastina in a game that I played at the start of the year, and -although we were both town- it got so toxic I had to replace out.

[Almost50]

Everytime I come into this thread I feel the urge to "do something the new rules say I should not mention in-thread", but I try to force myself to play the game because it was my decision to jump into it. I am so lost though and -frankly- I am also demotivated by the flips, as I feel we lost our strongest PRs already. We are only left with a JK (if Pret is Town) and maybe one other -even weaker- PR.

[Almost50]

Out of the three wagons, I believe this one the most, VOTE: Salad

May I ask what you're doing here? I mean, I appreciate your confidence in me, but is there anyone we cam both agree on voting?

[Almost50]

OK...

VOTE: ben[/b]

But if this flips green we lynch Pret tomorrow. Agreed?

[Almost50]

VOTE: ben

[Almost50]

I TR Salad and want to work with him. I asked if there's a wagon we could both agree on and he went to ben so I followed.

[Almost50]

What's wrong with a50

Nothing, but Salad did self-vote.

That's NAI. I'm not gonna hold it against him when it's something I do myself -out of frustration- and more often so as TOWN.

[Almost50]

That said, if you do think Salad is bussing ben, why unvote ben when you came under pressure?

Because I wanted to see if I could get new momentum on lynching Salad with the revote there.

Count me out of this. I'm not gonna lynch in you/Salad/Skellen/bob, and I don't want to lynch RCE today either

[Almost50]

You don't want to lynch salad or the people who were voting salad? Why do you think that was town voting town?

Why wouldn't I? I have a TR on each of them separately, and it's not uncommon for town to misread other town. Do you feel any of them was manipulative/opportunistic with their vote?

[Almost50]

How many of you as scum have actually went through with faking an accidental hammer? This is really the only argument that could support a vigilante shooting Skitter. It doesn’t hold water when you consider that Skitter is one of the best scum players on the site, tris was being scum read by a majority of the room, and she didn’t show any signs of being able to potentially sway players from voting her. I don’t think she was a lynch that scum felt they desperately needed, especially without a claim.

The hammer was anti-town but Skitter’s overall play wasn’t and she’s not known for being an anti-town player. So an attempt to deny the mafia one kill by redirecting it away from a pro-town player toward an anti-town player is out.

1- I have been able to get away with a lol!hammer as scum twice or thrice (I also did it once or twice as town though).

2- I know skitter better than most of you. We are like .. arch-nemesis to each other, and we both claim (falsely I might add) that we can read each other pretty good, and I TOTALLY expect scum!skitter to lol!hammer and pretend she didn't mean it. It is NOT outside of her scum-range by any means.

3- Granted, skitter flipped green, but I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it, and she being hard to lynch as either alignment is good enough a reason for a Vig to shoot her in that situation.

[Almost50]

but at the moment my vote today will be oen of BEF, A50 and sald. Prety sure one of either mizzy or A50 is scum.

So you think there's scum between me and Mizzy, but you want to lynch me, BEF or salad?? Or am I misreading this?

[Almost50]

So, the obvious lynch he should be pursuing is me. Why are BEF/salad even considered here?

[Almost50]

Almost, are you willing to go on Ben or Salad?

I'm already on ben

[Almost50]

Dos that put Salad at lynch or L-1?

Not by my count

I think it's

Almost50 - 4 (DrDoolittle, Mizzytastic, Lil Uzi Vert, RCEnigma, )
benhalkum - 3 (Pretentious, Saladman27, Almost50, )
Saladman27 - 3 (BrightEyedFish, benhalkum, bob3141, )

No vote: Skellen,

[Almost50]

Can someone explain what's going on in this game like I'm Forrest Gump? Like, it seems that my "last ally" has been the NK after my other strong ally ate rope. I could go with my moon!logic and paranoia to state that I'm being set up for the lynch, except.. if they want me dead why go this far setting it up instead of just shooting me?

FTR, I don't think Pret or RCE do this to me tbh. If either was scum I'm sure I'd be dead by now. Something weird is cooking. I smell a skunk.

[Almost50]

Yo A50, you're better at spec than I am. How viable is triple protectives for a tracker. Bearing in mind strongman is nonconfirmed.

I dunno, but it looks to me that the game was balanced around town PRs possibly working against each other. It's true too much of a thing could very much result in less of it, if that makes sense.

So, a gated Doctor (not targeting the same person twice in a row) + BG could both be negated if either was targeted by the JK. The JK also could have targeted the Tracker so that's indirectly gating the Tracker too, and if Tracker is our only investigative that actually makes more sense.

It is essentially weird though to have a BG AND a Doctor in the same setup, because what if the BG is protecting someone and the Doctor is on the BG?

I think I'll have to think about it more when I'm fully concentrated, but -theoretically- it does look like the town roles were meant to affect each other in a negative way.

[Almost50]

What does enabler have to do with it? The enabler is a passive ability, so can't be blocked.

[Almost50]

I think I've been scum with everyone and their aunt in this game at one point or another. The only one that I haven't been scum with yet is Plum. I am astonished as to how I've been suspected to be scum with almost everyone in all my games of late.

Why am I scum here, Mr Pretentious? And who are my scum partners? And why are you still alive if I am scum at all? Also why would I shoot BEF of all when I had him all but pocketed?

[Almost50]

That wasn't a scum read! That was a PoE pool of the wagon of tris, and he favoured Saladman lynch over mine. It's quite misleading that you assume he wouldn't have reconsidered after the saladman flip.

Some of you also were saying I was scum with Salad, and some claimed I was scum with BEF. Both flipped town so I'm still scum with <insert your favourite illusion>

@Mizzy: I obviously can only link the games that already ended. Here's the last one

that ended

under this account, and here's the last game

that ended

under JJD. It doesn't look like I can link more anytime soon, so you're on your own in that department.

[Almost50]

Are we massclaiming or not? because the only one I see pushing for it is Pretentious, but then bob claimed "unspecified PR" (which I don't think was necessary to claim anyway), and I am left wondering whether I should claim my shitty role or not. For what it's worth I believe I am effectively a VT now.

[Almost50]

Yes, I do.

[Almost50]

Guys, I don't want to spoil you party, but -so far- everything makes sense to me from a setup design/balance PoV. The designers

clearly

balanced the game around town powers trespassing on each other's turf, and thus scum could actually win through town miscommunication.

I am a Loyal Visitor. My role stopped being useful the night the Tracker died. I had been hoping for a Tracker Backup to exist to bring my role back into the game (If a Tracker successfully tracks me to someone then my target is town, but then there's a massive possibility for that to give a false result via the JK targeting me, or to give a no result if they target the Tracker)

[Almost50]

With that the Tracker is completely watered down and his only purpose is to target your role. So not only the Tracker has to target the Visitor, but he has many potential false positives with Doc/Bodyguard/Jailkeeper (and basically the Visitor too, if he hasn't claimed yet)

That's a messy interpretation in itself. First: I didn't claim so the Tracker doesn't need to follow me. Second: how is it a positive for the Tracker if they targeted the Doctor or the BG? The targets don't die and don't get blocked, so the Tracker doesn't have a guilty still. It's only the JK and only if they target someone who then claims to be blocked, and from what I recall there's not a single other investigative/informative role (aside from the Tracker himself) to be able to tell they were blocked, so where does this "false positives" come from? Unless you mean the Tracker gets that someone does have a night action, which is basically a Vanilla Cop with ben as the Miller to it. (Not really a Miller either, because once ben claims the Tracker can't argue against it either, so all in all I don't see your point still).

[Almost50]

Visitor feels unlikely for ongoing reasons.

First time I ever see that one. What does

setup design

have to do with ongoing, or even past games?

[Almost50]

The question you should all be asking yourselves is WHY would I fake a claim like that? The Tracker is DEAD already, so I could've just claimed VT (and effectively I am, because I'm not even Compulsive)

[Almost50]

I visited BEF on both nights. I wanted to confirm him as Town (and I think I did mention something about me betting the game on BEF being town sometime on D1/D2)

[Almost50]

If your role is effectively VT now as you put it, why would you visit anyone?

Are you daft or just playing dumb? I had hoped there would be a BACKUP TRACKER. Just because it doesn't look like it today it doesn't mean the thought wasn't valid on D2/N2.

[Almost50]

as per your comment "I wanted to see if he was town"

Learn to bloody READ.

O said I wanted to

confirm

him as town, not "to see if he was town". I was confident he was Town already, and you can ho back to my D1 posts about BEF in particular. I was hoping the Backup Tracker would Track me to BEF on N2, and I -sure as hell- didn't expect BEF to be the NK either.

So, I visited BEF on both nights in hopes the Tracker/His Backup (or a Watcher if that was the case because I didn't know which was in play) would see me targeting BEF, which would confirm BEF as Town-aligned.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Pret

For better or worse, I think I want this flipped today.

P.S. back to my D1 theory if Pret flips red then DDL, RCE & ben are all clear (DDL was the third wagon and RCE/ben were voting the scum wagon when they really didn't have to)

[Almost50]

Erm... what do you thing the Visitor gets for a "result"??? I'll tell you what it gets: NOTHING. A Visitor is just that. Someone who visits a target at night. It does not return a result and it leaves no effect on the target either.

[Almost50]

*Sigh* If course not. Did you know a Fruit Vendor is actually a LOUD Visitor? Think of me as a Fruit Vendor who does not vend anything at all. You don't know I visited you and I dunno whether it was successful. Only a 3rd person can tell if they targeted me/you.

[Almost50]

@DDL: Maybe because the mod/designer wanted so? I don't even know if Plum designed the game or if he asked for a pre-designed game to be assigned to him (and frankly I don't care because I dunno Plum's style in designing games anyway, so I'm certainly not going to meta the mod here). All I know is the game is probably balanced through this weird role interaction somehow.

[Almost50]

I could have sworn I posted here last night. With so many threads on my subscription page it's hard to tell which ones I've posted in and which I'm not even supposed to.

Anyway, I kinda think this maybe Pret+Skellen+ ??

The way they're going about each other feels manufactured to me. It pings me as distancing, but we need to flip Pret here to see if it's true.

[Almost50]

But I have to go A50 essentially or I get lynched.

Your vote is only the 2nd vote on me (or Skellen) so I don't understand this statement at all.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Pret

For better or worse, I think I want this flipped today.

P.S. back to my D1 theory if Pret flips red then DDL, RCE & ben are all clear (DDL was the third wagon and RCE/ben were voting the scum wagon when they really didn't have to)

what happens to this theory if pret flips town

Unlikely, and even if he does then people will be less inclined to follow up with my theory, but IF Pretentious flips green then DDL is scum, and you are cleared (Going off the theory and not including reads or taking claims into account). Then one of RCE/ben/Mizzy is a second scum, and one of Skellen/LUV is the third (I'm in that 3rd pool where I wasn't on any pf the 3 wagons at the time, but I know my own alignment. You can add me to the list if you wish).

[Almost50]

why didnt you claim during day 2 when it looked liek you could easily be the lynch.

If there was a backup tracker or another role wouldnt it be better for you to roleclaim.

I wasn't in immediate danger of getting lynched, and I wasn't as bored either. It never occurs to me to just claim for the sake of it.

[Almost50]

why didnt you claim during day 2 when it looked liek you could easily be the lynch.

If there was a backup tracker or another role wouldnt it be better for you to roleclaim.

I wasn't in immediate danger of getting lynched, and I wasn't as bored either. It never occurs to me to just claim for the sake of it.

but with it so close to teh deadline didnt you think it could be pertinent. What are you thoughts on almost being on l-1 if not lynched instead of salad

Look, I would have preferred if I was lynched over Salad. If that would've been the case then the town just F'd itself in the ass (which is more common these days than not). Would my claim have saved Salad in any way? Nope. Didn't think it would have. Did the Salad lynch stop people from suspecting me? No. That didn't happen too. So, all that would have changed is that Salad would still get lynched and I would be NK'd. It wouldn't have changed the game status in the very least.

[Almost50]

I dunno if I should.. Pret is a notorious busser though, so if this is a bus I'd be glad to lend a helping hand.

VOTE: LUV

[Almost50]

Wait!

@Pret: Did only LUV visit BEF?

[Almost50]

VOTE: Pret

This is BS. This guy is not even reading the thread. I already said I targeted BEF TWICE. How could you not have seen me?

[Almost50]

This also gives me pause as to the ease bob voted LUV with. bob has been showing that he is reading the game, so could not have missed THAT.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Pret

This is BS. This guy is not even reading the thread. I already said I targeted BEF TWICE. How could you not have seen me?

And wanna know how you just scum slipped?

You know more than anyone that I pay extra attention when I am scum.

Good try.

Now we have 3 possible lynches (from my PoV):

1- Pretentious (the one I support): If he flips green (yeah, right) then both myself and LUV are confirmed scums. If he flips red that's one down 9and no one is cleared if you know Pret's play well enough)

2- LUV: It thought Pret was bussing but I'm less certain now. However, he did say >I< was bussing, so scum!Pret was probably confident in this flipping red. It may have been a bus to save his own ass, and he found it a good chance to line up my mislynch next still. I'm not hard against it, but it's not my #1 choice.

3- A50 (Ueahm that's me): Knowing I flip green, and unless bob claims to have RB'd me last night, my mere flip proves Pret is BSing scum. Again, this means nothing about LUV, but I'd be sus of LUV & bob after my flip if I were you (again, bob is sus because of how fast he jumped on LUV with no hesitation. Je looked like he was paving the way for Pret to change his claim and get a quick lynch, so both Pret & bob decided to bus LUV for Towncred while they lose practically noting since LUV isn't active enough to pull that infamous quick!hammer trick @LyLo registered under Flavor Leaf & alts Lmt.)

[Almost50]

I thought we had a hammer already! Is the mod Mafia?

[Almost50]

I have nothing against the Skellen lynch, but my moon!logic bone is itching, It's telling me Mizzy could have claimed BG to guarantee not getting RB'd and could explain the NK being on the one she protected if that happened and she was tracked by chalking it up on the "strongman theory" that Pret pulled out of his arse.

I am not saying I am confident in this either, but IF I follow up with my theory from D1 then RCE/ben should be clear, bob/Mizzy gave one scum between them (guess who I'm suspecting after the Pret flip) and LUV/Skellen have another.

Now enough theory talk and back to actual reads, I think RCE is town because I can;t see him holding his part is a SvS with Pret like he did. It didn't feel like scum theater to me.

bob is all but confirmed a townie via the role claim. Scum had a JK, so -obviously- can't also have a RB. Unless -of course- that was an elaborate claiming scheme in which they planned it to clear one of them if the other flipped, and in that case.. GOOD PLAY!

ben could also be town for the tunnel on pret, but that's about it. His claim could have been manufactured I'm sure (after having seen skitter's flip), but I dunno if scum!him would have risked a NL in order to keep on tunneling his p for distancing, so a town lean.

I had Skellen as a top TR at some point, but I can't seem to remember why.

LUV is playing withing his meta. What does this mean? His scum/town meta look exactly the same to me. I have no read there.

Missy is the one my inner voice is telling me to vote today, but I'm holding my vote until we've discussed all possibilities.

Gun to my head I'd say bob/RCE are the confident TRs and any combination of the other 4 could be the case, but I'm putting it as Mizzy + LUV/Skellen

[Almost50]

I’m town and I can prove it.

Spoiler:

[Almost50]

I have no idea why everybody seems to include me in their lynchpool, but if it's going to happen I would rather it be today.

I have accepted that my playstyle comes across as scummy to most, including those who claim to know how to read me. This game has just ended, and instead of getting mislynched I was vigged by skitter (who had just power mislynched me on D1 earlier in this game claiming she can read me with high precision). Morale of the story: Nobody can read me anymore

FFS: Those who are skeptical of my role, why the fuck would I make that specific role up? Why not just claim VT? Why not Ascetic?? Why not a zillion other roles that would have probably sounded better??

For those who think I was going easy on FL: We had come out of a game (RCE knows about it) where we ended up FoSing each other at a crucial time, and then we were both lynched successively (him on the day before LyLo and I on LyLo) for scum to win (and I obviously was scummy enough for a bloody Cop to vote have an inno on me and still lynch me). I didn't want to do that again, and apparently I can't read FL's play anymore.

For me; meta is a secondary scumhunting tool. I first go for actions, statements, and mechanical approach. For the mechanical part I judge by my own modding meta (yes, I

would

put a Roleblocker and a JK on the same setup just to fuck up with the town. I want to force my players to scum hunt by play rather that by setup spec)

So, anyway.. I want you all to take a deep breath and reread my slot. If you come to the conclusion I am too scummy to endgame then I request that you vote me today rather than in LyLo. We are 5-2 now, so a mislynch gets us to 4-2 and it's 3-2 by the start of the next day (unless we're lucky and bob manages to stop the kill)

Thank you

[Almost50]

Like, I could rip 2335 to pieces but I thin bob is town so I'll just shut up.

[Almost50]

Actually I was talking about the whole thing, but for this point specifically: A Role Cop can't tell if a Doctor is weakened. Role Cops only get "Roles" but not modifiers, so whether a Doctor is -say- X-shot/Even-Night/Novice/Indecisive.. etc. doesn't matter. for all the Role Cop will get is "Doctor".

But I also was referring to scum knowing your claim is true, and wondering how that is the case. Why would they know it to be true if you didn't stop a single kill so far? And why did they shoot BEF if they know your role to be true? If I was scum I would most probably have shot you anyway, taking you or Mizzy down.

This is why I am still skeptical of Mizzy's claim. Not only is she guaranteed to not be RB'd; but also if you get shot she gets lynched the next day which explains why you were not the NK target.

I always say: To catch scum you gotta think like one. Put yourself in a scum mindset for a minute, and tell me why you would avoid shooting a claimed RB AND a claimed BG? We are 5-2 here already, so -assuming a mislynch- we are in LyLo tomorrow. Their kill should be the BG at best, so you are confirmed in LyLo.

But wait! What if they do NOT kill Mizzy still? Does that make it a 3v2 LyLo with 2 confirmed townies? Theoretically, you are not even confirmed either way, for you could be scum who doesn't want town!Mizzy protecting anyone else. I say "theoretically" because I don't think you are scum, but I am not so sure I should be TRing Mizzy like a couple of people are.

[Almost50]

So? Untouchable by day but killable by night, Einstein. Scum want to eliminated the most TR'd players regardless of whether it is by day or by night. So, are you telling me scum!you would let BOTH Mizzy & bob (assuming they're both town) alive to reach LyLo? That effectively makes it a 1v2 lynchpool. In other words it'd be a 66.667% chance of lynching a scumster at random.

[Almost50]

Mizzy; you will be "mizzed".

@RCE: Well, we seem to be viewing the same scene from different angles. I agree that neither will be confirmed if they are both alive tomorrow. Now let me ask you again: Why would Mafia let them both live (assuming they're both town) and

risk their kill being blocked.

Like, let's say we miss lynch today. Now for it to be LyLo tomorrow the Mafia will have to actually kill someone. Now imagine that the kill was blocked. Not only does it become MyLo, but a potential guilty there and actually going into the following night as 4v1 where bob is effectively a Cop. Even worse, he can't be killed because he is still protected by the supposedly Town BG whom scum had let live to LyLo and consequently to the night following.

Like, I do get your line of thought in theory, but to you -sir- I say: I'd hate to be on your scum team if that's how you play scum.

So, from my PoV the right play was for Mafia to kill the BG last night and then they get bob tonight. For Mafia to miss that

basic

course of action was bad play,

if both Mizzy & bob are indeed town.

[Almost50]

Hello new old player. It's nice to see the older generation resurfacing.

[Almost50]

As I said

ON DAY ONE

; one of Skellen/LUV + one of Mizzy/bob (I didn't say that exactly, but I theorized the vote distribution on wagons at some point and so far nothing has proven me wrong on principle).

VOTE: LUV

This is the correct move. I have no idea why anyone is accepting the Vigilante claim here. I believe the claim came to him when I said a Vig must've shot skitter at the start of D2. I also agree with bob that if LUV was a Vig there's no way he shoots BEF over me or Pret.

2 down, one to go.

[Almost50]

Bob: why Skellen over A50?

You are welcome to vote me, but right now I am almost certain it's you + Skellen. I am not going to vote yet because -obviously- we need to talk a bit more, but consider my vote on you/Skellen in spirit.

[Almost50]

VOTE: skellen

@Amrun: You attempt to save your partner is pathetic. And your questions directed at me are all answered in my ISO. The Vig thing I thought of at the start of D2 bc I didn't see scum shooting skitter (yet it turned out LUV was Novice so scum DID shoot skitter). That was the only time I ever mentioned the Vig. However, I didn't believe there was a Vig after that because we only had one kill per night still. "I killed someone when scum didn't/shot the same person, and I holstered the next night" didn't really convince me. Turns out I was wrong on that too.

Now how convenient is your narrative that I should have carried the kill last night when I was the least likely player to do it. Pair me theoretically with just about anyone here and I think you will come to the conclusion they would have carried out that kill and not me, and especially so after that hammer. Like, if I was scum I was calling for bob to RB me there. Conclusion: Scum definitely did holster last night with the purpose of this very situation to occur. They had no reason to holster on N2 though. They would have been fishing for PRs if nothing else, and BEF was obviously not one. Also BEF is mislynchable (as LUV rightfully pointed out) so it would have been a stupid kill by scum (and we all did exclaim why scum killed BEF before LUV said he did it). Town!You should have easily seen all this, especially since it's out there in the open.

[Almost50]

Yes it sucks.. as in "sucks to be caught already". Like, what is your proposed scum team again? Because from where I see it; I can't be scum with you (since you're trying your best to lynch me over Skellen), nor can I be scum with ben (You TR him AND he is also very willing to take me out). I can't be scum with bob (why would ny scum partner claim a soft guilty on me today?) and I can't be scum with RCE (he's almost conf!town already, only short of a mod-confirmaton). That leaves Skellen, and you want me over her when -theoretically, from your PoV- it shouldn't matter to you which of us goes first.

You see, this is how I know bob is Town and you are not. To him, the two options are equal because from his PoV he did block 2 NKs and they originated from Skellen and A50. His train of thought makes sense even though I know he's wrong about me.

But why am I a higher priority to you than Skellen, assuming you are town here?

[Almost50]

A50 why are you voting skellen instead of Bob here?

Why would I want to vote my TR?

[Almost50]

From your pov he's scum I'm pretty sure.

??? You saw MY PoV??

Man, I am suspecting AMRUN (MIZZY slot) to have faked their claim in order to never be blocked. That's why the RB was never shot at. Now a No-Kill gambit works perfectly because the blocked player is NEVER Amrun anyway. That's my theory. And looking back at D1 I said either Mizzy OR bob. They canNOT be scum together. So, I am thinking Skellen + Amrun here, and -ironically- they're the two voting me right now. It's like a reverse OMGUS. I can see how it may look like I am SRing those who vote me, except it's been on record that I SR them from before AND that I am still going by my propositions from Days 1/2.

Now tell me about my own PoV that should make me SR bob here.

[Almost50]

So far yo9u produced no clears, did you? And besides we're in MyLO now anyway. One mislynch + tonight's NK is all it takes for the game to be over. Hell, even if we lynch scum we would be in MyLo again tomorrow. All that aside.. people are still SRing you, so you could be mislynched tomorrow still.

As for the specific reason why they no killed on N5, I'll only be able to tell you that when the scum PT is released. I currently have no access to it, so I don't know how their minds work.

[Almost50]

You're forgetting it's theoretically harder to lynch scum in even numbered players than it is in odd numbered players. Even numbers always benefit scum over town, statistically speaking.

[Almost50]

Oh, well.. your choice then.

VOTE: A50

This works well too.

[Almost50]

Now wait till you see my flip, and then tell me you have a chance to stop the kill.

[Almost50]

You will find out soon enough. Now lynch ben

[Almost50]

^^This guy I never have the heart to SR no matter what my own alignment is.

Yeah, nice play Ben. You drove it home.

It was nice to play with you all, and Plum is certainly a goof mod (not just for the setup design, but also for not flaking on us)

All in all, this was a good company to be with, and I hope to be seeing you all again soon