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Here's some notes:
Karnage's second post pings me. Asking someone to explain an RVS vote is weird. Particularly when it's the second vote. Also strange that they didnt join a wagon though.
Jones comes in and casts a third vote also on a non-existent wagon.
You come in and your vote doesnt look random.
Jones asks the experience question.
Gyro's answer to you is awful.
Pg 1 interactions between Karnage and Jones feel off somehow.
Salsae enters but only answers the experience question, Karnage prods about RVS and gets an answer that it doesnt exist where Salsae is from.
Arkias enters, ignores the above discussion and casts a vote because you're a badger.
Pg. 2
Bbmolla enters and claims to be sheeping you.
Jones makes a comment about policy lynching that slot. I assume that means BBM.
Karnage votes BBM for the sheep.
Then Jones votes BBM for the sheep. Want to prove why he shaded before voting.
33 Jones explains the anti-sheeping stance. 35 is confusing, hes not scumreading him because he doesn't think its serious but he claims theres something more than pure policy here. 39 seems to go back to not being sure whether it's a sheep or not. 41 is gross LAMIST, but I'm pretty guilty of this too.
Much of page 2 is an interaction between Jones, you, BBM
Meta conversations about RVS drive me fucking insane. I'd probably be scumreading you for 43, but fortunately I know your alignment and cant mess that up. But Karnage participating does raise my suspicion a bit. Although I like the take he had on it by asking why you didnt bother him about moving his RVS vote.
Yeah 44 is pretty good from Karnage.
Yeah 47 isnt good. Taking credit for moving the game out of rvs?
Jones later has a bad faith reading of your 49. You didnt say that 29 was good, you said that 29 was good because of the other posts.
Pg 3 - theres more interactions between you and Jones. 50, you call out Jones for trying to take credit for moving the game out of RVS, when it looks like you and Karnage put in more work there.
Bbm claims a townread of you on 51.
Karnage is surprised by the Vc after I voted Jones.
Jones's 59 is incomprehensible.
Jones 60 makes me want to re-read Karnage to see if Karnage said anything before 32.
Re-read Karnage, Jones seems to be misrepping his early posts. I saw sorty questions there.
I lay out what I think is a fairly strong case (admittedly based off alot of points that hou brought up). The guy i case says it's a legit case and townreads me for it. Three other people are at least scumreading me for it. This game drives me mad.
Atm need to probe what Arkias thought specifically I was misrepping. I also agree with Jones that something felt off about Karnages last post, I'm gonna ask if you agree, because I dont just want to be biased about him scumreading me.
My 73 to Jones got answered in a way that was satisfactory. I'm moving him up to like a null/town. The recent posts have been much better.
To summarize Jones - early game bad. Questioned experience at opening, he does first suggest policy lynching Gyro. I dont understand the logic behind why he moved his vote to BBM. The confusion I had around some of his posts got clarified and the logic starts to fit more. This is probably a null at this point.
Yeah, it was at like L-2 and he freaks out like the world is ending. I dont think this is anything like caught scum, but I do think he has the most positive scum equity.
I mean I know I'm not a great scum hunter, but I feel like these guys arent even trying. How the hell am I being scumread when I'm at least trying to move the game when I could just be coasting here.
Feel like Gilded isnt doing alot to redeem that slot. Initially I felt like I agreed with that initial post when they were explaining what was scummy about their slot. But given that, I wanted to see if they would see other things similarly. Now, I was ready to cut them slack on you and I, because I have information they dont, but now I'm seeing more lack of progressions and weird townreads. My top two scumreads are bepwei and Jones/Gilded. I was even going to use the replacement as a way to get off the Jones slot onto bepwei, because I think that slot is getting scummier, but the reads list doesnt make sense to me. And it makes me think that initial post was an attempt to pocket me, though I guess him null-reading me would cut against that. . .
Bep probably won't. Hes been scumreading me and to a lesser extent you, and we are all over this wagon. Molla and Karnage are a bit more interesting. Karnage keeps talking about how bad the slot is, but hes not voting anywhere.
Ok with Gilded claiming VT, now I'd like for the wagon to deflate. My primary suspect is bepwei at the moment and theres probably 1 scum in (Karnage, Arkias, Gyro).
Ok so plan for tomorrow assuming neither of us die is to aggressively wagon folks like last time. Who's your first target, because I think mine is either Arkias or Bepwei. Wouldnt mind pressuring Gyro too.
So Arkias is a spicy night kill. You got any way to.make sense of that? Also, what do you make of BBM's soft? Should I ask him whether I'm conf town now?
What do you make of that nk? I feel like it had to have been designed to frame a leader or one of Arkias's scumreads. I doubt it was to lock in a townread because no one mentioned that yet. BBM has me thinking here. His reasoning that if Gilded was town then I must be scum also seemed to fit with why he would do the Arkias kill. But I do think that he softed cop to draw the nk. And I dont think he'd be pulling a two level gambit in a newbie.
I feel like town is gonna lose this game because no one wants to play.
In post 61, Micc wrote:the nightkill screams inexperienced scum to me.
Now I'm interested. You made a game state read yesterday that made you focus on the people that were in the edge of the wagon (so Molla and Karnage). Now you're saying the NK screams inexperienced scum so you think more Anaconda, bepwei, and gyro?
Given that the game state and the nk are saying different things, you think there might be overlap with Gyro?
That makes sense. I have literally no experience with him, so analyzing his game play is tough because he doesnt say much.
I dont see scum pulling that gambit at the end of D1 into the beginning of D2. I think the way he backed off when I pointed it out seemed more town than scum.
Karnage seems to be positioning himself to be around every lynch even if hes not on the wagon. Like yesterday he hammered when Molla started backing off.
I have nothing on Anaconda, gyro is just shit and from PoE I'm starting to get to a point where I actually want that lynch. Bepwei could go either way. Him pushing you and i seems to fit with how he was playing yesterday where pushes are scummy.
In post 69, Micc wrote:i'm willing to give karnage town points if he engages genuinely here. if we lock down him and molla then this solve all of a sudden looks way more reasonable.
Oh yeah, at that point its PoE solve. Dont even care the order at that point since i know the next three lynches.
I have a feeling Molla is setting up to claim a pr. I don't know how to prove at that without telegraphing that I'm a pr. I think I may have done it in that last question.
Man, wtf is Molla pulling here. I think I wanna force it. Be like look, we're trying to sort like 3 low content players, if you have a result, you should out it. Does that work?
What I was worried about was that both scum were in anaconda, bepwei, and Gyro. What I didn't want was to have to figure out which of them was town, though at the moment I think I'd say bepwei before the other two.
I think that Molla is pulling some weird shit related to his claim. It seems like he wants to claim. Honestly that's the only thing that has me worried about him being scum. Here I thought he was fake claiming to draw the nk, but now I think hes setting up for a fakeclaim in LYLO with a fake guilty.
If you think Molla is scum then forcing a claim out of him will confirm it. Hes been positioning either to claim or that hes fake claiming to draw the nk. If hes alive tomorrow then hes conf!scum, but I'd like to know whether we can confirm it today.
Bepwei was my number 2 suspect behind Jones yesterday, and had EoD not been as rushed I'd have probably pushed over there after the Jones claim. That would explain why Molla didnt eat the kill, but it leaves the Arkias kill completely unexplainable and I think more importantly the way that Molla is playing this gambit actually makes me think it comes from town.
I think if hes alive tomorrow, and claims a result, it won't be believable. So hopefully neither of us eat the nk, because then he wont fakeclaim, and we pretty much lose our value.
I can posture here to put some space between us if you want. I can say if Gyro flips scum you're now a candidate. Unvoted upon coming in to draw off the pressure, while trying to redirect.
Man, I dont know how I'm gonna keep my role not obvious if you keep acting like this in thread. Seriously anyone should know that I'm a mason here for not jumping all over you. Either that or your scum buddy.
Nah, I agree with you.so you think Molla's the partner? I wish we'd have gone after that first, he'd have claimed cop then we'd have had conf scum. Hes smart enough to give the right answer to why he softed if his partner dies, but after talking about it as much as we did yesterday, if hes alive then hes gotta be scum.
If Karnage is town and had Molla and Micc pegged as masons why doesnt he off one of them? He knows already that he cant safe fakeclaim, so why not eliminate a conf town. I think I'm with Micc. The Arkias kill screams new player, so if he got all the town players righ as you suggested that says Jam and you were both town, which is where you're at now. It would lead to bepwei and heavy. I think that's a plausible scum team atm. Gyro won't be around for LYLO so why not lynch in that pair then figure it out.
What game were you masons with Elyse in so I can point it out?
