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[Wake1]

I see, Alimdia. However, that does not in and of itself clear you. Scum team members typically distance themselves from one another, and Day 1 is no exception. However I don't recall you resisting the Day 1 wagon on Looker, so typically Scum would resist. A high-level Scum, however, could still go along with it. Do you understand my concern Alimdia?

That said, I'd like Profii to claim next.

[alimdia]

Just before we get into any more claims we need to consider that Saudade had a n2 action and inferred that he looked at Wake

But he was trolling A LOT which damages his credibility

However, Wake hammered pre Vortuka claim which damages his credibility

It also bothers me that Wake jumps straight in with a claim that contests Saudades soft claim.


I think before we go into mass claim we should say do we believe Wake

I personally don't and just to be clear my role doesn't give me any info that can verify this JK claim or not

The thing is Saudade was a even night tracker, what could he have 'seen' that made him vote wake (other than trolling), keeping in mind wake claimed being a N3 JK.
Finally, I don't really believe wake's claim, hence why I asked if he thinks I'm town or not to see if he does a 180.

[Wake1]

Finally, I don't really believe wake's claim.

Very interesting.

What is your reason for not believing it?

Do you actually think I would claim out of the blue with nothing conclusive because doing so would somehow benefit me if I were Scum? I wanted to share my action and the apparent result before potentially dying, and I'd prefer to do it sooner rather than later.

[profii]

That's what I'm saying- if wake is lying he _could_ have been doing something n2 that saudade _actually_ did see

He could have been concerned that because saudade claimed n2 tracker and we now see that is guaranteed fact he felt like he needed to jump in with a claim today that discredits Saudadea _actual role_

[Wake1]

Finally, I don't really believe wake's claim.

Very interesting.

What is your reason for not believing it?

Do you actually think I would claim out of the blue with nothing conclusive because doing so would somehow benefit me if I were Scum? I wanted to share my action and the apparent result before potentially dying, and I'd prefer to do it sooner rather than later.

Furthermore, you defended me during Days 1 and 2.

By saying you don't believe my claim you are by extension saying that I'm lying, which is just another way of trying to say I'm Scum.

So why the flip-flop, Alimdia? Does the timing suit you now?

[Wake1]

That's what I'm saying- if wake is lying he _could_ have been doing something n2 that saudade _actually_ did see

He could have been concerned that because saudade claimed n2 tracker and we now see that is guaranteed fact he felt like he needed to jump in with a claim today that discredits Saudadea _actual role_

If I were Scum that would imply that I knew he tracked me Night 2. I don't remember reading him claiming Tracker, but Mason.

And I am N3JK. If he were to track me N1 or N2 he would have no result.

[profii]

I claim even night tracker, guess what I got boys

VOTE: wake

[Wake1]

I claim even night tracker, guess what I got boys

VOTE: wake

And he is an idiot and terrible, lying Town. He's a complete idiot and should be blacklisted from future games because that's not how you play as Town.

Which is even worse than Scum.

[profii]

You started heading down that path when you hammered vortuka

[Wake1]

You started heading down that path when you hammered vortuka

Quickhammering is far different than fake-claiming fake results as Town.

[Wake1]

What he did is tantamount to saying he's a Cop and he got a guilty result on someone else when he's actually not a Town Cop.

[alimdia]

That's what I'm saying- if wake is lying he _could_ have been doing something n2 that saudade _actually_ did see

He could have been concerned that because saudade claimed n2 tracker and we now see that is guaranteed fact he felt like he needed to jump in with a claim today that discredits Saudadea _actual role_

I'm not flip flopping. The above is my thought process. And also other reasons but it's not the time to share them yet.

Finally, Saudade must have tracked Wake to somewhere on Night 2, otherwise he wouldn't have voted you? Now that we see Saudade's flip, we know he was telling the truth, but he might still be trolling. But you can't just say 'he's trolling' to blanket cover up the track. Given that Saudade tracked Wake to somewhere on Night 2, it seems a bit suspicious that you would claim a night 3 action.

[alimdia]

@Wake88, claim again with exact role please.

[Wake1]

@Wake88, claim again with exact role please.

Town Night 3 1-Shot Jailkeeper.

[Wake1]

Hold on I misread my Role PM.

"Town Night 3 Loyal Jailkeeper"

[alimdia]

lol

[alimdia]

Whats loyal?

[Wake1]

That's what I'm saying- if wake is lying he _could_ have been doing something n2 that saudade _actually_ did see

He could have been concerned that because saudade claimed n2 tracker and we now see that is guaranteed fact he felt like he needed to jump in with a claim today that discredits Saudadea _actual role_

I'm not flip flopping. The above is my thought process. And also other reasons but it's not the time to share them yet.

Finally, Saudade must have tracked Wake to somewhere on Night 2, otherwise he wouldn't have voted you? Now that we see Saudade's flip, we know he was telling the truth, but he might still be trolling. But you can't just say 'he's trolling' to blanket cover up the track. Given that Saudade tracked Wake to somewhere on Night 2, it seems a bit suspicious that you would claim a night 3 action.

He did not track me Night 2 because he lied.

My action is only during Night 3.

[Wake1]

Whats loyal?

If I target a player who is not the same alignment as me my action will fail.

[alimdia]

A Loyal action cannot succeed on players of a different alignment.

PEDIT: Why didn't you claim that from the beginning?

Finally... I see that you removed the '1-shot' when you corrected it.

[alimdia]

Also, did your action fail?

[Wake1]

Ugh.

So that means with the Loyal modifier if I targeted a Scumspect my action would fail. I've never played with that modifier before.

[Wake1]

Also, did your action fail?

That's what I'm trying to discern. I don't know if it worked or not.

Clearly no one died N3, but no one has died during the Night yet.

If Profii was Town when I used it then either Scum targeted him for the kill or Scum decided not to kill or Scum's kill attempt failed elsewhere.

And if Profii was Scum then my action wouldn't even have worked, but if he was Scum and trying to kill someone then he would have been able to despite me targeting him with the JK ability.

[Wake1]

It could be that there are multiple X-Night Loyal Jailkeepers in this game, but I don't know. Could explain why we've had no kills on 3 consecutive nights. I don't understand why Scum would deliberately choose not to kill at all unless they thought they were well-established among the Town and didn't fear the rope.

[profii]

You potentially protected me