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VOTE: GuyInFreezer

Suspicious that this slot already was replaced

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No.

FOS: NaCl

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FOS: Pine

Wow, looks like i've found the mafia team already.

GIF/Salt/Pine

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Actually, VOTE: Pine

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How does it make sense?

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pops ofc town

That's what your name means? I never realized.

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Actually, VOTE: Pine

See, THAT, makes sense, but the fact that you pussy-footed around about it is super sketch.

In 9, I wasn't serious yet. In 10, I was.

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i see some disagreement

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i see some disagreement

GiF knows MariaR is a perfect mod and is posting lies from sake-withdrawal

I was noting the disagreement with respect to reading me between me and your neighbor.

Nah, I'm quite serious about not liking tris's self-conscious indecisiveness

How am I being indecisive? And, could you address 14 and 19?

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55 scared me for a moment.

If it were a joke, why hesitate? That self-consciousness rings false to me. Town doesn’t need to be inhibited during RVS, so the FOSes are super weird

What hesitation????

Spoiler: some DNS related stuff

A quick meta dive says that tris doesn't do this as either alignment.

Scum in schadd micro: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=80729 and town in nmsa open: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=80894.

why did you use an example (the second one) where I was a replacement, so I didn't participate in RVS?

Y’all are so bad at reading obvtown people. I expect it from GIF, but Pine.

i think your vote is on me.

Y’all are so bad at reading obvtown people. I expect it from GIF, but Pine.

Clearly you don't know how obvtowning works.
Obvtowning means one is towning up without doing odd shit.
Defending a player you are not familiar with by mentioning a playstyle from half-ass meta attempt with 2 games is hella odd at best.

My defense of tris is not a defense. I don’t know why you and Pine have latched onto that word when I declared it nonmeta yet still voted her.

Even if that was a defense, that’s not the reason I’m Obvtown.

oh, I thought you were saying I was obvtown. which was surprising to me.

And it's hella weird that you assumed that it was a playstyle before anything else.
Town don't assume playstyle before alignment unless they knew the player to some degree.

Someone's behavior in RVS is an easy thing to go check to see if it's playstyle. I don't see what's wrong with that.

I’m not assuming anything when I’m using conditional language like “might be”, list an action that could verify the conditional la gauge, do the action, and then Co firm it wasn’t the conditional.

Like ???

All your sematics gets redirected to:

Key point here is that you declared the possibility of it being playstyle before you fact-check it.

but, the fact that he did fact-check it means that he didn't just assert that it was playstyle and then just let it hang there. if he wants to defend me, why make the defense, but then immediately go and negate the defense?

If I had just left it hanging sure, that could be me trying to change the narrative. But I immediately followed up on it.

It reeks of rushed defense.

Ok, now I think I might see what you're arguing here.

GIF: You've shown the inability to read me, so I only ask that you defer to people who actually know how to read me like Firebringer, Pops, Dunnstral, potentially Shadoweh.

I do not like this. VOTE: DNS

Reading further, it sounds like this is what Oversoul is like maybe? Is it common for him to be like this?

I'll move my vote back to VOTE: Pine. I don't understand his scumread on me.

pops seems a little towny.

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why?

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I do not like this. VOTE: DNS

Reading further, it sounds like this is what Oversoul is like maybe? Is it common for him to be like this?

I'll move my vote back to VOTE: Pine. I don't understand his scumread on me.

Why vote for us in the first place if you are just going to immediately put your vote back on Pine in the same post?

I was constructing the post as a i read.

pops seems a little towny.

What do you find towny about Pops?

- Volxen (Definitely Town)[/quote]
her interactions with your partner seemed authentic

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oops. forgot to add in a quote tag

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The subset of players who are active seem townish as a group so I'm interested in broadening this game right now.

So, have you changed on Pine since 66?

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If it were a joke, why hesitate? That self-consciousness rings false to me. Town doesn’t need to be inhibited during RVS, so the FOSes are super weird

That is a fair point. Tris, what was the point in FOSing me, rather than voting me instead?

I was already voting someone.

I do not like this. VOTE: DNS

Reading further, it sounds like this is what Oversoul is like maybe? Is it common for him to be like this?

I'll move my vote back to VOTE: Pine. I don't understand his scumread on me.

pops seems a little towny.

Tris, I don't think you were like this in Haunted Village. What's the point of moving your vote there and then back in the same post?

I already answered this. I composed the post as I read the game. So, at that point, I wanted to vote for DNS, but as i read further (indicated by the "reading further") I changed my mind and decided to move my vote back to Pine. I could have just removed the DNS vote, but I wanted to communicate how my thoughts changed as i read.

How would you say i'm different, and do you think it means i'm scum?

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If it were a joke, why hesitate? That self-consciousness rings false to me. Town doesn’t need to be inhibited during RVS, so the FOSes are super weird

That is a fair point. Tris, what was the point in FOSing me, rather than voting me instead?

I was already voting someone.

I do not like this. VOTE: DNS

Reading further, it sounds like this is what Oversoul is like maybe? Is it common for him to be like this?

I'll move my vote back to VOTE: Pine. I don't understand his scumread on me.

pops seems a little towny.

Tris, I don't think you were like this in Haunted Village. What's the point of moving your vote there and then back in the same post?

I already answered this. I composed the post as I read the game. So, at that point, I wanted to vote for DNS, but as i read further (indicated by the "reading further") I changed my mind and decided to move my vote back to Pine. I could have just removed the DNS vote, but I wanted to communicate how my thoughts changed as i read.

How would you say i'm different, and do you think it means i'm scum?

Was it that important that you kept your vote where it was, though?

it wasn't important because it was rvs, but I wanted to keep it there.
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As for how you're different, you felt a bit more directly confrontational early on in Haunted Village. I don't really have a read on you yet.[/quote]
really? i feel like the opposite. but maybe that's just more about my mood rather than how my posts come off.

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aaahh! messing up quotes again

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great page top

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and he has some crackshot theory that Tris/DNS could be a thing lol

isn't that what 79 explicitly says?

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I agree that the reads seem forced and false. that's why i'm currently voting for Pine.

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Huh

I kinda was offering that question to see what you think about DNS, or perhaps Pine pairing him up with you

that pairing is part of what i'm considering to be fake. i don't think DNS's actions around me indicate S/S. (even when attempting to look from a 3rd party perspective)

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it wasn't important because it was rvs, but I wanted to keep it there.

Yeah, but I want to know why you wanted to keep it there.

I think it was because the potential vote on you, would have been less "serious" (not to say that either was serious at all). with the first one i was calling something scummy. so there's more weight there, and in rvs, i usually like to be fake-serious.

Here is my fun post.

I retract all the points I've made against DNS today.

Although I kinda feel iffy on that slot due to their multiple amount of calling self obvtown when they didn't do jack but going sematics with me.

hah i was just thinking i needed to go back and look again at that stuff.

in any case i'm not looking at anything more tonight because i'm suddenly feeling tired. goodnight

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good morning

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Pops get back in the neighbor chat, we have many important things to discuss

VOTE: Tris

so, is this quote by oversoul since it's unsigned?

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in that case,

@oversoul why were you voting me there? and then only later doing the whole checking my playstyle thing? what is your read on me now?

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is pops good at being scum?

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i meant to be more active today. i was gonna take notes on each player. but even my little bit of activity was more than most. where is everyone?

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apparently town don't reconsider their positions in light of new information

Lying about hydra head identification, if it had actually happened, would be a "gotcha" and I'd expect scum!volxen to either tunnel it or vanity wagon it rather than do this thing where you explore to what extent it's valid. I actually feel like this exploration shouldn't take nearly as long as it's taking you. But that you're not posting "QED QED QED" right now is town indicative.

These statements seem somewhat at odds.

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I don't understand how they're at odds.
You know post 242 has seventy sarcasm tags right
volxen is gathering new information to potentially change his stance because he is probtown, because that is what town does, post 242 states the opposite of that truth sarcastically

ok

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@pops do you have a reaction to dunnstral since you poked him?

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I don't see why LA is obvtown. I think LA is obvcity.

I really don't though, and I don't see where the case has been made for that. I only see arguments against certain things being scummy.

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were you the head who called me a scum pirate?

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i want to eat pizza now

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Also, oops, I don't know how I got Pine and tris mixed up.

what? when did that happen?

On another note, if LA is mafia, Pops is as well.

i don't think this is the case

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bitbringers posts sound like me when I'm trying to say nice things about townies as scum.

VOTE: bitbringer

i think i agree

I'm leaning town on tris for now due to genuine attempt to look for scum.

I don't feel like this is the impression someone would have on me. and i kind of haven't been. i've been a little out of it and just commenting on a few things i've noticed here and there. could you point to where you get that impression?

VOTE: bitbringer

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@bitbringer could you explain your townread on me more?

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@bitbringer could you explain your townread on me more?

Tris, why does it feel like you don't want to be townread? Are you 3rd party?

sorry, i keep postponing putting effort into this game

Regarding the bitbringer wagon, could someone explain what they see there? To me, it seems like bitbringer has done a lot not really saying much, although I don't see anything that super jumps out as scummy.

in my case, i don't like the way he's townreading me.

but, that's apparently not the head who's here right now.

actually

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i'm i going to be lynched day 1 again?

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sheep, pops, dunn
shadoweh, gif, nacl, dns in italics
null: sujimichi, lady angel, abu, unwnd
tris, bit

VOTE: tris

im a bit more confident in this vote but i feel generally pretty comfortable with this list; lmk if you have any questions or disagreements

hmmhmmmm

might be scum

why do you think this?

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sheep slight townread

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my gut wants to townread NaCl, but it also wanted to townread him last time i played with him and he was scum. i should compare to that game to remind myself what i was thinking then

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what should i do right now?

pedit:why are you leaving the bitbringer wagon?

pedit2:does it not make sense to you?

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Suigi is a scumread that my partner and I have had for a while now and if people are going to dig in on but and we are digging in on NaCL Suigi seems like a good compromise.

shouldn't they be replaced by now?

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remember we have three added days.

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Scum Lynch Pool:
Unwnd
First of all I didn’t like their first post.
Seems opportunistic despite it being just a picture and it seemed out of place for an entry post.

I don't know why everyone is dealing in absolutes so soon, the conversation being had just reads like two players convinced by conjecture instead of prior evidence. Pops is acting strange surely but in a position where Pop's strangeness alludes to scum she'd just be giving us more information than I gather she would want to. This is a partial meta read

This could be trying to protect a buddy.

what kind of case is this? was there supposed to be more here?

sure i'll join this VOTE: TSE

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i have some catching up to do

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TSE you are frequently very certain about things.
And there's only one alignment that tends to feel that way.
Not about a requirement that

the word "probably" get sprinkled across every post

, but rather actually

following your thoughts treats certain ideas as cornerstones immediately and that's not town

What’s wrong with saying the same word over again? Or why even mention it? (Highlighted)

I think you're misreading that. she wasn't criticizing you for using the word probably.

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where does my lack of thorough thinking iyo translate into wolf rather than not villagery, just out of curiosity

Timing and overall you're more reactionary than the other few. Pops to me is pretty alien, overall her position in the thread doesn't give me confidence but I feel like in some capacity she is trying to send signals from mother base that is understandable. That's a cheeky way of saying that the things she is doing seems to have intent and purpose. When you make posts I'm kinda wondering what it's all going to lead to? I guess another example I could give is GIF who isn't exactly making the most detailed reasoning but I'm not bothered by process because it comes from an individual perspective that doesn't seem fitted to what is going (right now). Your flurry wall doesn't really matter to me because of the timing that it comes from. You're quite reactionary to the criticism I've solicited thus far and have chosen to tell me to be dissapointed and turning into a play style thing. It's not entirely a playstyle thing.

i think this is town

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Tris can you bring more hot takes

i'm sorry i haven't been all that active. reading now

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FOS: Pine

Wow, looks like i've found the mafia team already.

GIF/Salt/Pine

Looks fake.

well of course

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creature can actualy break meta now right

Yes, and apparently I had a better catching up during Micro 893: True Love, where I was scum

you fooled me there

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Neighbour*

the hood is pops dunn dns right?

dns if there is one though i wouldnt argue him wolf just because of his being in a neighborhood of others i villa read

I think it's highly likely there's a scum in there. Because otherwise that means there's 3 "masons" who can all get upgrades. Unless there's some weird mechanic where they're targeting each other in a circle or something like that.

it's not really a masonry if they don't know each other are town.

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Creature's posting was lackluster, and he's yet to attribute something that makes me townread him

All in favor?

possibly

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I wonder if it’s worth upgrade claiming, but not target claiming.

are you saying you know what your upgrade is?

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If we believe Shadoweh's claim then her target is probably town

All targets were randomized unless stated otherwise.

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oh GIF quotes that 3 posts down

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please do

^

I want to know if you are townreading me because it's the right thing to do, or because you want to pocket me or something.

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i can't lynch tris while bitmap is alive because tris is a lover of pizza who is pure in her heart and would take me out for pizza if she took me out for food at all and bitmap led me to burgers which are inferior if only slightly

that is why shadoweh lynch feels so good she blatantly destroyed pizza in her place of work it is a sign of utmost evil there is so much darkness in her heart

I offered to buy a new one and they wouldn't let me qq

TSE literally townslipped by not realizing a "mafia cop" would be able to see people's roles, I would be highly against voting him ever.

where did this happen?

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@TSE, i don't know why you are scumreading unwnd

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sheep, pops, dunn
shadoweh, gif, nacl, dns in italics
null: sujimichi, lady angel, abu, unwnd
tris, bit

VOTE: tris

im a bit more confident in this vote but i feel generally pretty comfortable with this list; lmk if you have any questions or disagreements

sheep, nacl, pops, tse
dunn, gif
--abu, unwnd, shadoweh
dns, bit, tris, creat

never going to adjust my reads based on the neighborhood sorry

Why did we drop down from a townread/townlean to a scumread in-between these two readslists? And why is Creature/Suji a scumread for you now? In 706 you said that you didn't like Suji's lack of sharing, but then in 709 you said that it's part of his playstyle and NAI, so I thought that the slot was still null for you considering that Creature hasn't posted yet.

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

I don't think sheep has answered this

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VOTE: AbuHumaid

and now i fall asleep

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well the lag seams to have finally gone away.

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i still want pops to explain why she townreads me.

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VOTE: NaCl

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question for shadoweh: under what circumstances will you share your results?

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tris: Do you think its beneficial for people to know the target of someone who is likely town? If you can convince me its a good idea regardless I'll share. I wish I'd checked Pops. :V

I'm just wondering when you would share.

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my cat is trying to distract me

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that's what i was thinking you were thinking, and i don't really see that as contradicting 935

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Agh, i need to focus more here

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VOTE: shadoweh hmmm

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VOTE: NaCl actually

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VOTE: NaCl actually

why

can you answer my first why too

I wanted to see what would happen. then i moved back because i had a bad feeling about it and i feel like nacl might be scum. i'm gonna go read NaCl's iso and see if i can come up with some arguments or maybe change my mind.

VOTE: NaCl actually

why

can you answer my first why too

Because their scum buddies with Shadow.

nope!

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@pops what do you think of my move on and off shadoweh wagon?

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idgi

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started reading NaCl, but am tired. sorry sorry sorry

i promise i'll finish that up in the morning.

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Actually, UNVOTE: . NaCl might be town. I don't really follow all the things your were saying with respect to the neighborhood. could you sum that up? what you were thinking when you thought it was a three person neighborhood, and what changed when we discovered it was two people.

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VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

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i think i'm going to be more present in this game going forward.

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that'd be a hammer

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why should i vote for shadoweh?

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what makes them scum in your view?

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I've got a weird feeling that if this was a town mislynch, it would have happened when I put them at L-1.

maybe it didn't because i unvoted?

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oh somehow i missed the post you just made

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does that post still hold for you if i'm town?

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but, if i'm town, couldn't my unvote be what prevented the prophesied mislynch?

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DEB is scum.

?

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you still haven't explained the townslip thing.

pedit: oh hmm

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I’ll hard Claim.
I checked Shadow Day 1 and Tris Day 2.
At least 1 is Mafia.

you know this 100%?

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i'll hammer if you can guarantee that information to be accurate

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UNVOTE:

i agree that DEB is town at least

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i'll hammer if you can guarantee that information to be accurate

I want to get an answer to this before anyone else hammers

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wasn't deb's list just everyone who wasn't on shadoweh?

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I’ll hard Claim.
I checked Shadow Day 1 and Tris Day 2.
At least 1 is Mafia.

VOTE: tris

dont trust you on deb though

you're already voting me

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remind me why you scumread me?

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VOTE: tris

what's up?

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that's the first time you've mentioned me except in reference to Pine's scumread of me.

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you really think that TSE isn't the kind of person who would make something up like this?

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what tris actually wants to do is figure out whether this is a fakeclaim and she'd out herself by panichammering me, or if this is legit and she needs to hammer me now before someone unvotes

how would that out me if it's a fake claim? once we learn it's fake, i wouldn't be implicated

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what

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whatever VOTE: shadoweh

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:/

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i hate twilight

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Please stop being nice to literally confirmed scum instead of me, you're hurting my feelings.
I'm not a jerk, I'm legit town.

i'm seriously not scum

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i believe shadoweh is telling the truth

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tse is fake claiming

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if i'm not scum, any ideas on who is?

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Tris past ISO responses Never comes from Scum.

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remind me why you scumread me?

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so....

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no i mean when flip?

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VOTE: TSE

hello

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a fight with the mod?

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well, first off, i still want sheep too answer me about his scumread. VOTE: sheep

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uh,

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Is this even a question?
VOTE: Tris

what is this based on now?

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I'm reconsidering on pops because if she's town I think the game is going to grind to a halt, especially after that last day. I still need to check through her some more, though.

I only understood this the third time I read it. You think if you mislynch me, the activity will drop out of the game?
My activity might drop regardless of whether I'm lynched, the game now has no Pine, no Oversoul, and no Shadoweh. One of those things is my fault, but I really thought she was scum, so I had to :/

oh, i think i had misread that. i think that's a strange reason to avoid pushing you.

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I'm currently townreading {Dunnstral, unwnd, DEB}

which leaves me with a lynch pool of {sheepsaysmeep, NaCl, AbuHumaid, popsofctown} with one being town and the other three being the mafia team.

I need to check on Dunnstral though, because I don't fully remember why i townread him.

I'm feeling like sheep is always mafia, so VOTE: sheep


Pedit:^that is true though, i don't think it's the right time to claim that.

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i'm always open to questions about my reads. sometimes i'll have a lot of thoughts in my head some of them contradictory, and i'm not sure what exactly to talk about, so questions can help me focus my thoughts.

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why does scum!unwnd make the innocent child claim in the first place?

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i guess i'll just say a little more on each player.

sheep:

I don't like how all he's been doing is saying he scumreads me. something about it reminds me of when scum has scumread me in the past.

nacl:

i'm still unsure on this. i don't think i'm very good at reading him. somethings he says seem like they might come from town, but i also felt that way in haunted town where he was scum. there's also some statements that seem a little off to me, but that might just come from a different perspective as a player.

AbuHumaid:

hasn't really been doing much. maybe just scum by poe.

pops:

I townread her earlier in the game, but i've been getting the feeling lately that she hasn't really been pushing a town agenda. i don't find much reason to townread her

unwnd:

you keep having posts that feel like they come from town. usually when there's a player i feel this way about, they're town. and this claiming business doesn't seem scum motivated.

dunn:

i remember townreading some stuff from day 1 which i'll have to go look at again. and also like you, i'm trusting DNS's read a bit.

DEB:

i've read a game that had scum!DEB. there, he basically didn't do anything. here, he's actually has SOME opinion (even though it's wrong).

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He's probably

still

unlikely to bus so I should hesitate to vote tris?

isn't this assuming he's scum? whether he would bus or not doesn't have any relevance if he's town.

when someone claims that they know theres a wolf between you and another slot due to a physical result

and youre a villager

you naturally assume that from your pov the person is outed wolf to you bar concrete mechanical information


deciding that theyre still actually villager and the claim is for whatever reason fake is

not buyable

The fact that it was coming from TSE was good reason to mistrust it.

tris why do you think im almost always wolf

Out of my poe, you're the one i scumread the most.

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didn't realise it was now mylo. UNVOTE: to be safe.

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when someone claims that they know theres a wolf between you and another slot due to a physical result

and youre a villager

you naturally assume that from your pov the person is outed wolf to you bar concrete mechanical information


deciding that theyre still actually villager and the claim is for whatever reason fake is

not buyable

is this all in terms of your scumread?

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sheep:

I don't like how all he's been doing is saying he scumreads me. something about it reminds me of when scum has scumread me in the past.

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your turn

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you wolfread me before that though.

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i am for massclaiming.

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I am an even night watcher except i don't get results if my target dies. I checked TSE and no one visited him last night. I imagine i might upgrade into a full watcher.

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i'm having second thoughts about sheep.

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correction: i'm blocked if the person i'm watching is targeting with a killing action, even if they live.

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why didn't you fruitvend before?

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1657 bugs me because unwnd is conftown as far as I can tell, there's few enough PR claims that there should be 0-1 scum fakeclaiming PR and NaCl claimed an innocent on him.

oh yeah. i guess there's no reason to question unwnd

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alright i'm here just a sec

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ah, sorry i got distracted.

i think i believe salt's claim actually. pre-upgrade, it's pretty much the only real investigation town has.

but, that would imply to me that all the mafia claimed VT which seems kind of wrong.

i don't know what to do with abu. i want him to be mafia so we can lynch him.

i feel like i'm missing something somewhere

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Tris, what made you change your mind on sheep, or make you reconsider? Also, was that always your role, or did you upgrade into it?

sheeps explanations of his scumread on me made sense to me. especially when i went and skimmed his iso.

I have not upgraded. I imagine I upgrade into a full watcher or something.

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i think i'll join this, but i'm paranoid about pops here.

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i think we lose anyway if abu is town

VOTE: Abuhumaid

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did i just make a mistake

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i'm sorry

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are you really not?

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I'm really disappointed in myself.

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I think I've learned some lessons from this game. Hopefully.

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First thing is something I kind of already knew. I need to work on engaging more and just putting my thoughts more out in the open.

Second, there's a certain kind of townread I haven't been wrong with yet that I had on unwnd.

Third, I should trust that feeling I get on certain scum reads on me. Once again, it was coming from scum.

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Aghh, I can't believe I let you lead me to mislynch someone twice in a row even though I wasn't even town reading you.

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I agree he's the safest lynch, and possibly a townie will upgrade off of lynching him and get a power that helps decide between tris/NaCl. It's probably like 20/80 but it's better than nothing.

Was this to entice a townie into voting for the upgrade?

[tris]

Third, I should trust that feeling I get on certain scum reads on me. Once again, it was coming from scum.

Oh! And you know what? Pine was doing it too! how could i be so foolish!

[tris]

Everyone and their mother scumread me but I felt like I was able to accomplish what I needed to to win anyway

i should have cut you out of my life after the shadoweh lynch.

also why is it that i suddenly feel more engaged in the game after it's over?

[tris]

Tris I want to be in your life forever
Let's roll town together

I'm not good at rolling town lately

i think i would like to play with you as town