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[AbuHumaid]

Hello!

[AbuHumaid]

I should be able to come and post some thoughts later tonight.

[AbuHumaid]

Alright I'm here right now for real. Catching up in a bit...

[AbuHumaid]

Okay, so starting from the very beginning...

VOTE: MariaR

Wynaut

Uhh, fuck no. That pings me. It's RVS, you either vote someone for giggles or you vote someone for real, wtf is this FOS nonsense?

VOTE: tris Real vote

Forced post, why are you taking an early post so seriously? I also checked your ISO, your tenacity on your opinion is concerning. If you're so sure tris is scum, why would you change your vote to DNS? What do you think of tris now?

[AbuHumaid]

I'm on page 8, and so far I like DNS and pops for town.

I'm just gonna vote Pine for obvious reasons.... Wait how do you guys vote on this site again?

[AbuHumaid]

I'm just gonna vote Pine for obvious reasons.... Wait how do you guys vote on this site again?

Do state that "obvious reasons" for me.
Also check the rules page on page 1.

I already said that I don't like their forced "scum read" on tris, and their lack of progression on their read. Also their vote on DNS was ???

I noticed that you have been white knighting Pine quite a bit, so why is that? Do you think they're town? I'm sure they can defend themselves.
Could it be that you know Pine is town because you're scum and looking for that nice towncred by defending a LHF? I've done that before as scum, works wonders.

[AbuHumaid]

Whoops! I almost forgot about this game. I'll be back in a few hours.

[AbuHumaid]

I noticed that you have been white knighting Pine quite a bit, so why is that?

Oh this is such a treat.
Quote where I have WK'd Pine.

Never mind that. You were arguing with DNS, then Pine voted DNS, so I got the impression that you were defending him.
Skimming is bad.

[AbuHumaid]

They claimed cop




UNVOTE: Shadoweh I guess

They could still be Mafia Cop.
Let’s not take any risks.
And this flip can actually help me solve this game.
We don’t need a cop when we have me.

VOTE: TrueSoulEnergy

I don't like that TSE is trying to lynch a cop claim. This is bad town play, or just scum, but I'm leaning more on the later because it's common sense not to lynch a cop claim. At least give them a chance to prove their claim.
You don't lynch someone "just in case".

Also,

Oh, I guess you guys are serious. You should probably stop voting me, I'm pretty sure I'm this game's version of a cop since I cop people's targets and get an upgrade.

Could still be Consigliere.

This is a scummy reaction. TSE was already trying to discredit the claim instead of inquiring about it. It's like they don't care about the details, and they just want to push a mislynch.

@Shadow
Check me tonight!
If your wrong on the target I’ll personality lead the wagon on you tomorrow.

And nope, don't do that, Shadoweh. The cop's target should not be announced beforehand IMO.

[AbuHumaid]

This doesn't look a lot like town Creature. Apparently skimming my iso says I'm voting Creature.

VOTE: AbuHumaid

Agree with Creature's take on the short iso. I don't like giving people points for posts that aren't there.

The WK stuff seemed more scum weird than town weird.

1005 sounds like scum that decided to NK Shadoweh a few pages ago and consequently decided a TSE mislynch is "justified". I don't as easily buy it as a genuine concern that TSE is scum.

like...

This is bad town play, or just scum, but I'm leaning more on the later because it's

common sense

not to lynch a cop claim.

Does Abu think lacking common sense is scum indicative? MariaR can make people lose common sense by sending them a scum role PM? To be fair MariaR can make me lose my common sense. But not by sending me a role PM. It's a secret how she can do that. Some things are not meant to be known.
Or if Abu thinks TSE is strongly in-meta and abundant in ms.net common sense.. he hasn't read like... a single one of TSE's other posts. Something something skimming is scum indicative. En serio, he probably read them, but he's willing to be willfully ignorant because he thinks he can get a "punish bad play" lynch rich in righteous justification.
This would be really high info too because I have concerns about TSE slot on a different axis and an Abu redflip would have a pretty strong clearing effect on TSE's slot. I mean I guess it's only high info if it flips red so I guess I'm saying I gots a good feeling about this guys.

this may or may not have been drunkpops

Yes, lacking common sense usually comes from scum rather than town because scum have an agenda to push. What's so strange about thinking that?
And yes I am skimming (like in every mafia game I play) because I'm not much of a reader but I still try. sheep has played with me before, so he can confirm this meta.
What do you exactly mean by "TSE's other posts", if there's something that refutes my argument against them then why don't go ahead and quote those posts? "just read their ISO bro" won't cut it.

Are you perhaps talking about this post?

VOTE: Bitbringer

Ok BB is Town.

VOTE: Shadow

This flip can help me PoE the scum team TBH.

This post is also bad because they're assuming that DNS is scum. Pre-flip associations are just WIFOM and not productive for town whatsoever, so this is not a good reason to lynch Shadoweh either.

Your only argument against me is "his lynch will be informative if he's scum", but you do realize that any red flip is informative, right? Let's say you lynch me, and I flip green, then what?

[AbuHumaid]

For now, I'd rather lynch TSE above anyone else, but if I can't get a wagon going on them, then a bitbringer lynch can do.

[AbuHumaid]

Eh forget it. Go ahead and lynch me.
It's really discouraging to get wagoned right off the bat when you start trying. Have fun!

[AbuHumaid]

I'm sooo tempted to hammer right now.

[AbuHumaid]

GIF had a town-read on us then suddenly swapped when we gained momentum so lynch him tomorrow.
Vig NaCl and Abu pls.

k those are my reads.

-bit

You haven't really elaborated on your NaCl and Abu reads, have you?

[AbuHumaid]

This chapter of the game is where I became concerned with the NaCl slot, and he hasn't accomplished anything or gained any town equity since. The way NaCl asked about the LA read looked ugly force fake pretend-work posturing. NaCl's push on LA seemed ridiculously emptyhearted. Then NaCl's nullread on me is fishy, I posted about that. It's not typical for people to nullread me, so it doesn't seem like an organic outcome.

Looking at this post, NaCl said LA is S/S with everyone, yet also said if LA flips scum then I'm scum. That's pretty cognitive dissonant.

Lots of his posting lacks authenticity.

I didn't say that LA was S/S with everyone, it was more that I felt she had a bunch of interactions I thought were S/S at the time. And I found that you were the most suspicious as you jumped on me right after with no real case other than "LA is town".

I didn't really say what I found suspicious about LA because I kind of like making people ask me and see what they care about or who they're focusing on, but this is what I didn't like about her at the time.
1. In 53, LA says that she didn't find Pine's entrance scummy, which bothers me.
2. Dunnstral uses one of his few posts to offer a vague defense of LA (Although I find him generally vague)
3. I was kind of suspicious of unwnd having LA on the higher side of things despite few posts.
4. I think there might have been something else, but I can't really remember.

Anyways, since TSE has replaced in, I've changed my mind. It's because of something Dunnstral said, although I don't want to reveal it just yet. Hopefully I'm not misunderstanding things, I wound up assuming he was a completely different role in Zero Escape. But this time I think I might have a better read on his mind.

1: I'm not going to claim my results as I see no way in which it helps anything but scum. Suck my dick. I definitely got a result though.
2: I'm pretty sure Abu is town and pops and DNS are scum.
3: good news I'm about to go on vacation so I'm not going to actively be reading v much
4: A free vig on me would probably help town so I'm hoping this is what happens. My assassin target

Creature

died overnight.

VOTE: Definitely Not Scum

Results would be nice, do you have anyone you would trust to understand them?

Shadoweh, why do you think that there would be 2 scum in the neighbourhood?
And another question, what was the point in saying your target now?

Agree about Abu. Think if NaCL somehow happens to be wrong then Dunn can be deepwolf but not gonna deal with that rn

I'd like to talk to you more about this NaCL read. What is the genesis of this read?

Pops, I would like the same analysis re: Abu

- OS

Just seems to fit in my mind. I've written paragraphs about a few people and I could selectively decide to compare the two in ways that point to similar behavior but then I'd be repeating myself. We have a fresh day on some new flips and once I live past D1 (lynched/killed) I like to start thinking about the exact reason for why wagons form. It's not exactly some new strategy, but it personally engages me. In D1, NaCL never really showed any gumption and I found a lot of his presence to be listless. I think he begs to have a greater impresssion on others but ultimately does nothing with it if that makes sense? If I can recall correctly, his bitbringer reasoning was kinda just like 'ok whatever' and just copying the consensus going around. I think in terms of how bitbringer happen and the idea of being scum it would be the person who would feign indifference in the moment of suspicion.

I agree, my bitbringer reason was pretty lackluster. I'd been scumreading LA the entire time, but at that point, I started thinking TSE was town. I didn't really have any strong feelings right then (I kind of think pops is scum, but didn't think it would go through at the time), and kind of preferred Bitbringer to Shadoweh.


VOTE: Pops
She feels like she's been going after me for forced reasons, pretty much tunneling me without putting any real effort behind it yesterday, and staying off the main wagons. Also, the case on Shadoweh feels weird. I don't see the issue with target-claiming if you feel like you're going to be lynched. It gives you more information, and you can choose to reveal the penalty to the town or not--like, literally the only case it can hurt your wincon is if you become a neutral survivor. I get that it's not necessarily town-beneficial only (mafia would probably benefit more), but I don't see why it's not something that can be from town. I do find it strange that Shadoweh said it now, rather than later.[/quote]
I can sheep this tbh. VOTE: Pops

[AbuHumaid]

How do I edit posts?

[AbuHumaid]

Actually...
VOTE: TSE
I'm gonna stick to my initial scumread.

[AbuHumaid]

Actually...
VOTE: TSE
I'm gonna stick to my initial scumread.

Why TSE?
He seems pretty clearly town, just wrongheaded.

Can you tell me what's towny about him?

[AbuHumaid]

Fine...
UNVOTE: TSE

I have no idea who's scum honestly atp. I will look at some ISO's later.

[AbuHumaid]

A Shadoweh lynch feels too easy. The fact that Creature (the nightkill) was townreading her makes me hesitant about lynching her.

[AbuHumaid]

VOTE: pops

Just a gut feeling, man...

[AbuHumaid]

zzzzzz

[AbuHumaid]

If shadoweh was the correct lynch, then the game would be much more active because her teammates would try to save her.

[AbuHumaid]

In before "bUt yOu'Re sTaLliNg"

[AbuHumaid]

Except i'm not scum.

[AbuHumaid]

VOTE: tris

[AbuHumaid]

Wow you guys suck

[AbuHumaid]

Wow you guys suck

TSE or Tris tomorrow?

Both work

[AbuHumaid]

VOTE: TSE

[AbuHumaid]

Why isn't TSE hammered yet?

[AbuHumaid]

I'm VT.

[AbuHumaid]

Oops I was busy playing EiMM and forgot about this game.

[AbuHumaid]

Also, what's a PT cop?

[AbuHumaid]

VOTE: AbuHumaid

[AbuHumaid]

I'm town by the way, but I'm already hammered, so whatever.

pops is scum.

[AbuHumaid]

First thing is something I kind of already knew. I need to work on engaging more and just putting my thoughts more out in the open.

Second, there's a certain kind of townread I haven't been wrong with yet that I had on unwnd.

Third, I should trust that feeling I get on certain scum reads on me. Once again, it was coming from scum.

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Aghh, I can't believe I let you lead me to mislynch someone twice in a row even though I wasn't even town reading you.

OR
Skip all that and don't play mafia. \o/