Mini Normal 2107 (Game Over)

[Wake1]

I will hammer whoever reaches L-1 without announcing it.

I do not like Day 1, because I've got literally nothing to work with.

[Wake1]

I will hammer whoever reaches L-1 without announcing it.

I do not like Day 1, because I've got literally nothing to work with.

Including yourself?

Of course not. That would go against my wincon.

If I did that I'd probably get in trouble with Mafiascum rules for going against my wincon.

[Wake1]

Plus self-votes go against rule #10 of our game.

Not interested in breaking game rules.

[Wake1]

Again, self hammering is literally against the rules.

Again, Day 1 sucks because I have nothing to actually work with, so, yeah, I'm willing to hammer at L-1 Day 1.

[Wake1]

Note, Scum self-hammering also breaks rule #10.

PEDIT: No.

[Wake1]

Antagonism will not help us.

I would ask for that to cease.

[Wake1]

Antagonism will not help us.

I would ask for that to cease.

Answer the questions posed in your direction

I don't respond well to demands.

[Wake1]

I don't understand what's so difficult about this.

I said, I will hammer whoever reaches L-1 on Day 1 first, and I've said why multiple times. Me saying that does not make me Scum, and only a fool or Scum would try to argue otherwise.

Also, huge Townread on Wimpy's slot. I would ask that he please not replace out.

[Wake1]

In my mind I don't see Scum replacing out Day 1. Call me biased but it seems unlikely.

[Wake1]

In short, I can't stand Day 1. Least favorite part of the game. We have literally nothing to work with.

I don't mind hammering at L-1, but I will relax on it being a quickhammer, because we'd need a claim.

If something interesting happens during Day 1 then I'll pick at it, but I'm not interested in being paranoid-psycho on everything Day 1 like others can and do. It's a waste of my time. As bodies hit the floor I can actually start parsing out who is who.

[Wake1]

*Warms hands on the gallows*

I ain't saying shit until someone claims intent to hammer.

And if you do, give me time to respond.

[Wake1]

I will hammer

whoever

reaches L-1 without announcing it.

Keep reading.

[Wake1]

It's way too early for me to speak with confidence my reads.

I want to say that I suspect there to be one Scum on my wagon. But, I can't narrow it down. It was just convenient for Scum to jump on with little resistance.

I Townread Wimpy's/Elbirns slot, so I will not be voting for him the remainder of the game, nor will I accept any votes directed his way. I do not believe Scum would just replace out like that, and I think that could be tactical replacing out (don't quote me on that).

Obviously to me I'm Town, and my wagon had very little resistance except on part of Wimpy/Elbirn. I do feel there's got to be at least one Scum jumping on my wagon.

Plus, the wagon itself was contrived. Nothing I had said warranted that trash-wagon, and I don't see any objective Townie actually running with it.

[Wake1]

What the fuck

The sooner you acknowledge that your Townplay has been shoddy and reckless the better it will be for you Day 2 and on if you're Town. If you continue that way I will pick you completely apart and you will realize why I have the reputation I have down in my sig.

[Wake1]

I'm not comfortable with Looker's activity level.

[Wake1]

Plus, the wagon itself was contrived. Nothing I had said warranted that trash-wagon, and I don't see any objective Townie actually running with it.

So if there is 1 scum and 0 objective townies

What does that make the other 4 players on your wagon?

I feel like you’ve just insulted 4 people by saying that

It makes them not-so-good at this game as Town. You don't just automatically believe things are Scum just because for some arbitrary reason. Me saying I'd quicklynch the first person who reached L-1 because I don't like Day 1 is completely nonindicative of alignment, and if you are in fact Town you acknowledge that or I will rip you apart.

If they're insulted, that is fine. I'm not here to placate people. I'm here to root out and lynch Scum.

[Wake1]

Do not think your apparent reversal will save you from any scrutiny, both of you.

[Wake1]

You will eat rope today wake88 if you are town might do your best now, d1, to find scum for us if it aint you

I do not fear the rope. I am the rope.

Do not get in my way as I start to question people.

I'm just now starting to get interested in this game.

[Wake1]

Off you go then start the scumhunt

You've mentioned Looker a couple times and have casted some suspicion towards him, but I was hoping you could be more specific. Also, I don't like how little he's contributed to this game, and I think putting some pressure on him is merited.

VOTE: Looker

[Wake1]

I’ve no inclination to vote looker at this point. I can see him trying to sort Saudade and he has posted a lot so maybe that agenda has taken over his attention for now

Obviously that stance is right now and we can’t cling onto that forever so I look forward to more

If Looker turns up Scum I'd say look at profii for refusing to vote him.

[Wake1]

Finally, the wake wagon filled up really fast with a very small amount of resistance, and fell away as fast.
Whereas this looker wagon has some real resistance to it.

That's basically what I'm feeling at the moment, for what it's worth.

I really, REALLY hate Day 1 because I've got nothing tangible to work with.

I've got both profii and Zote getting fussy over putting pressure on Looker, and I'm not so sure how to read that so early in the game.

[Wake1]

I work (and am off on) nights, so I just woke up.

I'll read over this in a little while.

[Wake1]

Interesting how those three on mine jumped onto Salad instead.

[Wake1]

Looker

, I would ask you to please claim.

No quick-lynching, the rest of you. I want this information.

[Wake1]

I'm already voting him.

I want a claim. Some sort of information.

I don't like that he's delaying it until Friday.

Someone post intent to hammer so he will claim.

[Wake1]

Thoughts on Saudade being Scum?

Either he's really dumb or dishonest Town, or he's not-so-subtle Scum.

[Wake1]

Current CTC?

I want a claim from Looker after intent has been declared.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Looker

[Wake1]

Lol.

[Wake1]

Someone needs to claim intent. Soon.

[Wake1]

Looker, Saudade has claimed intent.

We need you to claim please.

[Wake1]

Looker, if you do get lynched today, which players would you recommend being lynched next?

[Wake1]

I'm not sold on Saudade being Scum.

Being incompetent isn't indicative of alignment.

[Wake1]

Definitely looking at Site if Looker flips Scum.

[Wake1]

*Zote.

[Wake1]

I Townread Alimdia, and am still reading Elbirn/Wimpy's slot as Town.

Profii wouldn't vote for Looker. Zote I'm not sure about. Salad could be Scum for hammering at the last minute to lower suspicion.

I can't tell if Saudade is Scum or not. He wouldn't go after Looker and was bent on lynching me instead. Looking at Vorkuta too.

[Wake1]

I'm going to assume there's 3 Scum.

[Wake1]

Anyone that speedhammers today must hang tomorrow.

Also no lynching is dumb. I'm pretty sure scum shot at me last night as confirmed town.

<3 protective role

Well I wasn’t going to say it but yes I would imagine you are right. I was trying to predict the night kill last night and I thought it would be you but I’m glad to see you alive and well

This also should not have been outed, please everyone stop claiming when it isn't needed

What are you saying has been outed, Elbirn?

[Wake1]

I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that it was unwise for Scum to leave me alive.

Day 2 is when I actually start playing the game, and can do some real damage to Scum.

[Wake1]

I don't think Scum would deliberately not try to kill anyone last Night.

Only claim if it'd out Scum. Otherwise say nothing please.

[Wake1]

Alimdia, how do you read Salad currently?

I can't help but think he may be Scum, in that he hammered his partner as a move to reduce suspicion on himself.

[Wake1]

I like your thinking but it was just an elaborate prod dodge.

That statement doesn't make me not want to break your neck on the gallows

[Wake1]

Due to an unintentional reveal, this is setup information is being given to all players. This was the only information revealed.

25. Mafia have daytalk and

2 members

.

As I thought.

NOW we're talkin'.

[Wake1]

If the last, one remaining Scum wants to give up and save themselves a lot of trouble now would be a good time to do so.

Otherwise you will be found sooner or later. I will find you.

[Wake1]

Add Profii to the burn pile.^

[Wake1]

Specifically Saudade, you said if wake is scum then so is Looker.

In that case, what about the other way around?

[Wake1]

VOTE: Profii

[Wake1]

we should be no lynching today.... ~_~

Why?

We have confirmed Scum and can use POE to make a more accurate lynch.

[Wake1]

ok wake if you're town which i think you are, you have to wonder why saudade was so hellbent on flipping YOU first and saying 'if wake scum then looker scum'

and when multiple people asked why he wouldn't just want to do it the other way around, he resisted it SOFUCKINGHARD

scum would not wanna go 1v9 on day2 and this is a fucking nailed up coffin for saudade as far as im concerned. i will never unvote this slot ever. wake is very likely town after that flip and the person playing the absolute poorest around those wagons was 100% saudade

not just that: does fucking nothing all game except complain that wake is scum

lynch saudade and omegalaff at scumteam thx

Because I think he's just an incompetent player.

If he is Scum, well, damn. Saudade's play for me has been "too Scum to be Scum." I feel the real Scum would try to blend in, although Looker didn't help that idea by coming off like a half-baked Ultron.

[Wake1]

Eh, it's worth a shot, but to be 100% honest I fear Saudade could be really bad Town (which is worse than being Scum). I remember a lot of the cock-sure crap he spewed Day 1. But does that make him Scum tho?

I want to pressure him for now, maybe get some answers and a claim. Let's do this slow and careful. I don't want us to snag defeat out of the jaws of victory.

VOTE: Saudade

[Wake1]

It's either Saudade, Profii, Salad, or Zote.

...

...

Let's kill them all.

[Wake1]

No.

Let's kill him too.

[Wake1]

Wait, since when is Fireman allowed in a Normal game?

[Wake1]

Only one party Scum. No SK.

They don't want too much swinging in Normal games this size.

In Large Normal games you can do multiball.

[Wake1]

Gut's telling me it's Profii.

[Wake1]

Perhaps we should lynch Vorkuta instead over his suspicious obstinacy.

[Wake1]

Pretty sure I ain't a Double Voter Montosh.

[Wake1]

Let's lynch Saudade.

What's the hold-up people?

[Wake1]

Vorkuta is L-1?

I'm finna hammer if he doesn't come in here and claim.

[Wake1]

*Pulls out hammer*

*WHAM!!!*

"Woah, he's taking it like a champ!"

*Whack*

*Thud*

*Crshh*

VOTE: Vorkuta

[Wake1]

*Pulls out hammer*

*WHAM!!!*

"Woah, he's taking it like a champ!"

*Whack*

*Thud*

*Crshh*

VOTE: Vorkuta

On day 1 this is accepted but please don't get into a habit of doing this

That being said Vortukas absence seems rather telling so hopefully it should be fine

You're next.

[Wake1]

*Pulls out hammer*

*WHAM!!!*

"Woah, he's taking it like a champ!"

*Whack*

*Thud*

*Crshh*

VOTE: Vorkuta

On day 1 this is accepted but please don't get into a habit of doing this

That being said Vortukas absence seems rather telling so hopefully it should be fine

You're next.

What do you mean next? Are you saying you don't think we are going to win here? Why did you hammer ?

Interesting, interesting, interesting...!

Your response to me hammering Vorkuta certainly makes me suspicious of you, especially if he flips Town. So careful and lawful (oblivious?) you make yourself appear. Very on-the-fence I'd say.

If there's an investigative role I'd say look at Profii tonight just to be sure.

[Wake1]

It's either Saudade, Profii, Salad, or Zote.

...

...

Let's kill them all.

Vortuka wasn't even in your list and you have just rushed a hammer for no reason at all

Perhaps you should read below that one.

Question is, should you be given a pass for just forgetting, or not because you're lying?

[Wake1]

What's wrong, Profii?

Hook got your tongue?

[Wake1]

Man, when you've been hammered as Town you sing like a bird that you're Town, because now you've got nothing to hide.

Vorkuta holding back, kinda like Looker did, makes me hopeful we nailed the last Scum.

[Wake1]

At least we'll get a flip.

[Wake1]

I'm Town.

Why are you voting me?

Saudade if you're implying I'm Scum or did any action last Night then you are lying and are Scum. It's either you or Profii.

Before anyone does anything stupid give me time to claim.

[Wake1]

Vote wake, he hammered and we lost any chance of getting that watcher info

That's your excuse?

Are you an idiot? No, really, I'm genuinely asking.

[Wake1]

You never know

You had better make that clear.

NOW.

[Wake1]

Enough with this.

VOTE: Saudade

[Wake1]

I believe he's at L-1.

Either Saudade is shit Town or Scum.

But I've got a bad feeling about Profii, too.

Not sure about Salad or the others.

I don't think Alimdia or Elbirn are Scum. How possible is it that either are Scum and have played us?

[Wake1]

Are we sure there's only ONE Scum (and only ONE killing role) at night?

[Wake1]

Everyone except Zote has been online since I posted intent and no one seems to object so
VOTE: saudade

I am good with the hammer.

Can't tell if Saudade is actually scum or just dumb town. Either way it's good to get him out of here so we can solve this game.

This, 100%.

[Wake1]

Wake88 is scum with elements, peace.

It's 2p Scum and looker's dead.

One of them is traitor

Based on...?

[Wake1]

See, this is the problem with hyper-tunneling.

It blinded Saudade (if he's Town).

[Wake1]

I targeted Profii last night with my Night 3 1-shot Jailkeeper ability.

[Wake1]

And how the hell have there been no NKs yet this game?

[Wake1]

I'm thinking Profii could either be Scum, or Scum targeted him last night. But why?

If there are other X-shot Night-specific Jailkeepers in this game now is the time to share your results.

[Wake1]

I targeted Profii last night with my Night 3 1-shot Jailkeeper ability.

got crumbs?

I don't crumb unless my role gives conclusive results, like being Cop.

[Wake1]

Should we just massclaim?

Yes.

[Wake1]

Or, Scum is purposefully not killing at Night. But for 3 nights straight? Why???

Seems more likely Scum may have been impeded at least once.

[Wake1]

Also @Wake88, you believe that I am town, yes?

I'm about 90%, although none of us are truly confirmed.

Regarding Looker were you for (and pressed) his lynch before I initially votes for him?

[Wake1]

Should I decide on order or popcorn?

Clarify?

[Wake1]

I see, Alimdia. However, that does not in and of itself clear you. Scum team members typically distance themselves from one another, and Day 1 is no exception. However I don't recall you resisting the Day 1 wagon on Looker, so typically Scum would resist. A high-level Scum, however, could still go along with it. Do you understand my concern Alimdia?

That said, I'd like Profii to claim next.

[Wake1]

Finally, I don't really believe wake's claim.

Very interesting.

What is your reason for not believing it?

Do you actually think I would claim out of the blue with nothing conclusive because doing so would somehow benefit me if I were Scum? I wanted to share my action and the apparent result before potentially dying, and I'd prefer to do it sooner rather than later.

[Wake1]

Finally, I don't really believe wake's claim.

Very interesting.

What is your reason for not believing it?

Do you actually think I would claim out of the blue with nothing conclusive because doing so would somehow benefit me if I were Scum? I wanted to share my action and the apparent result before potentially dying, and I'd prefer to do it sooner rather than later.

Furthermore, you defended me during Days 1 and 2.

By saying you don't believe my claim you are by extension saying that I'm lying, which is just another way of trying to say I'm Scum.

So why the flip-flop, Alimdia? Does the timing suit you now?

[Wake1]

That's what I'm saying- if wake is lying he _could_ have been doing something n2 that saudade _actually_ did see

He could have been concerned that because saudade claimed n2 tracker and we now see that is guaranteed fact he felt like he needed to jump in with a claim today that discredits Saudadea _actual role_

If I were Scum that would imply that I knew he tracked me Night 2. I don't remember reading him claiming Tracker, but Mason.

And I am N3JK. If he were to track me N1 or N2 he would have no result.

[Wake1]

I claim even night tracker, guess what I got boys

VOTE: wake

And he is an idiot and terrible, lying Town. He's a complete idiot and should be blacklisted from future games because that's not how you play as Town.

Which is even worse than Scum.

[Wake1]

You started heading down that path when you hammered vortuka

Quickhammering is far different than fake-claiming fake results as Town.

[Wake1]

What he did is tantamount to saying he's a Cop and he got a guilty result on someone else when he's actually not a Town Cop.

[Wake1]

@Wake88, claim again with exact role please.

Town Night 3 1-Shot Jailkeeper.

[Wake1]

Hold on I misread my Role PM.

"Town Night 3 Loyal Jailkeeper"

[Wake1]

That's what I'm saying- if wake is lying he _could_ have been doing something n2 that saudade _actually_ did see

He could have been concerned that because saudade claimed n2 tracker and we now see that is guaranteed fact he felt like he needed to jump in with a claim today that discredits Saudadea _actual role_

I'm not flip flopping. The above is my thought process. And also other reasons but it's not the time to share them yet.

Finally, Saudade must have tracked Wake to somewhere on Night 2, otherwise he wouldn't have voted you? Now that we see Saudade's flip, we know he was telling the truth, but he might still be trolling. But you can't just say 'he's trolling' to blanket cover up the track. Given that Saudade tracked Wake to somewhere on Night 2, it seems a bit suspicious that you would claim a night 3 action.

He did not track me Night 2 because he lied.

My action is only during Night 3.

[Wake1]

Whats loyal?

If I target a player who is not the same alignment as me my action will fail.

[Wake1]

Ugh.

So that means with the Loyal modifier if I targeted a Scumspect my action would fail. I've never played with that modifier before.

[Wake1]

Also, did your action fail?

That's what I'm trying to discern. I don't know if it worked or not.

Clearly no one died N3, but no one has died during the Night yet.

If Profii was Town when I used it then either Scum targeted him for the kill or Scum decided not to kill or Scum's kill attempt failed elsewhere.

And if Profii was Scum then my action wouldn't even have worked, but if he was Scum and trying to kill someone then he would have been able to despite me targeting him with the JK ability.

[Wake1]

It could be that there are multiple X-Night Loyal Jailkeepers in this game, but I don't know. Could explain why we've had no kills on 3 consecutive nights. I don't understand why Scum would deliberately choose not to kill at all unless they thought they were well-established among the Town and didn't fear the rope.

[Wake1]

You potentially protected me

That's a possibility.

I want to know why we haven't had a kill yet.

I passed the popcorn to you, Profii.

Will you claim?

[Wake1]

Plank, would you please claim?

[Wake1]

Alimdia, how many games as Scum have you completed?

[Wake1]

Noted.

Profii, please claim.

Who else is still alive besides Alimdia? People are being too quiet. Makes me want to hunt them.

[Wake1]

and tbh i'd vote wake over alimdia if that was a thing

And you will explain why.

[Wake1]

Zote, Elements, Salad, Elbirn, and Plank.

You all need to contribute.

[Wake1]

Zote, Elements, Salad, Elbirn, and Plank.

You all need to contribute.

There's something, I don't know if you've heard of it, called being asleep. If you're referring to today's activity that's what I've been doing up until now.

There's something, I don't know if you've heard of it, called breaking necks. If you're wondering today's activity that's what I've been thinking up to now.

[Wake1]

Zote, Elements, Salad, Elbirn, and Plank.

You all need to contribute.

There's something, I don't know if you've heard of it, called being asleep. If you're referring to today's activity that's what I've been doing up until now.

There's something, I don't know if you've heard of it, called breaking necks. If you're wondering today's activity that's what I've been thinking up to now.

Is that a threat?

In context of this being a Mafia game and breaking your neck on the gallows, of course it is.

[Wake1]

Zote, Elements, Salad, Elbirn, and Plank.

You all need to contribute.

There's something, I don't know if you've heard of it, called being asleep. If you're referring to today's activity that's what I've been doing up until now.

There's something, I don't know if you've heard of it, called breaking necks.

If you're wondering today's activity

that's what I've been thinking up to now.

This doesn't make grammatical sense

*sigh*

You do realize this is Day 4, right?

[Wake1]

Point is, if you think that's a literal threat you're kind of dumb. Only an idiot would think that and this shouldn't have to be explained.

NOW, do you have results on anyone? Thoughts on Zote?

PEDIT: Ninja'd.

[Wake1]

Large Normals do not have third party roles you fools!

@Mod:

I will be V/LA until Nov 22nd.

I think the remaining scum is in {Salad, profii, Plank, Saudade}. I will expand on this when I get back.

Precept Forty-One: Learn to Detect Lies. When others speak, they usually lie. Scrutinise and question them relentlessly until they reveal their deceit.

I think the only person I'd consider voting for on wagon is Salad, he possibly reluctantly voted looker and also I am pinged slightly with him sheeping elements case and saying the day will be quick - it comes over as if he is knowingly going to be inactive and assumes that case will be enough to end the day before he comes back

But that just seems to naive to be scum

Believe it or not I think Saladman's hammer was kinda townie.

I'm good with Saudade and Vork. Those fools need to eat rope.

VOTE: Saudade

Precept Seven: Mourn Not the Dead. When we die, do things get better for us or worse? Theres no way to tell, so we shouldnt bother mourning. Or celebrating for that matter.

F O O L S !

Were you not aware that Vorkuta was V/LA? Why did we not give him time to claim?

This progression is very strange as I'm sure you can all see.
It's just contradiction after contradiction. There was no expansion when he got back either.
VOTE: zote

With his spamming it's difficult to tell.

Could you please elaborate a bit more so there's no confusion on your stance on Zote?

[Wake1]

Also, Elements, could you please claim?

We're claiming one-by-one today.

[Wake1]

01. Zote the Mighty
02. Elements
03. UltimatePlank

Vanilla Townie

*
04. Elbirn
05. Saladman27
06. Saudade

Even-Night Tracker

07. Vorkuta

Night 1 Watcher

08. profii
09. Wake88

Night 3 Loyal Jailkeeper

*
10. Looker

Multitasking Novice Rolecop

11. alimdia

*Claimed

[Wake1]

Holy crap I just realized they added a ton of new modifiers into Normal Games.

Shit, I think I'm going to start creating a new Large game soon.

[Wake1]

why does Wake get to decide we are doing a mass claim? I have no issue claiming but the problem we need to discuss before we jump in and do it is the fact there have been no night kills, that means there is very likely to be a doctor who very likely doesn't want to reveal themselves to scum because then guess what... night kills start happening.

people should stop claiming and weigh up the pros and cons of any further claims

Well, to be fair, I accepted Alimdia's suggestion that we do the popcorn route to claim. I claimed and then passed the popcorn.

If there is a protective role like a Doctor I'd rather have them claim VT, and have them only claim when absolutely necessary (when intent to hammer is given).

[Wake1]

What do you suggest instead, profii?

[Wake1]

I'm thinking it's either Elbirn or Profii.

Elbirn's about-face is disturbing, and I just can't tell with Profii.

[Wake1]

There is a side of me that thinks you must be town if you didnt know what loyal was.

Obviously you targetted me to try and stop a NK, which, ok there was no NK, but if your claim is legit either you protected my by accident.

In truth I did not know what 'Loyal' was, and I did target you because I suspected you, and knew that if a kill happened elsewhere while I jailed you then that, in my mind, would've cleared you as confirmed Town.

And then continued to tell people to claim which is not at all what the popcorn idea was

I can understand that. I felt that after passing the popcorn to Profii he was resisting, so I wanted results and passed it to Plank instead.

Zote, Elements, Salad, Elbirn, and Plank.

You all need to contribute.

You posted this at ~4AM, I was asleep, bite my big toe

Also wake does not get to decide we're mass claiming

Also also Wake Jailkept his scumread and his very next post was feigned confusion over a No kill, even though the most natural town-conclusion would be that he blocked it, ergo he lies

VOTE: Wake88

I don't believe I told everyone to mass-claim. Did I?

I did jailkeep my Scumread. And I was confused as to why there was no kill Night 3, and that was before I realized what the 'Loyal' modifier was. I neither lied nor feigned anything.

Zote the Mighty has requested replacement

I don't like this.

Actually it's obviously Elbirn, let's not wait.

VOTE: Elbirn

He was on the looker wagon but dropped off because Saudade asked him to- Saudade probably asked because he was tunnelling wake and Elbirn couldnt give a convincing excuse.

Then there was no kill, Ali was clearly pushing looker hard and that makes him obviously town - scum can't have an obvious town so he was an obvious choice to remove, so it makes sense that he got protected. Then if you look through the ISO of Elbirn and me together, you can see I suggested I might have protected Elbirn and Elbirn was like woah dont out that you are the doctor.

Then another no kill - Elbirn probably tried to kill me and the real doctor probably just protected me

Then another no kill - I got protected by Wake basically, and I guess Elbirn really thinks Im the doctor and tried to kill me again.

I'm not saying I am the doctor, or not, I mean, I've claimed cop on day 1 before and survived a hella long time in a multiball setup so it's possible - think what you like.

You also have to consider that Elbirn said "Profii is town" pretty much as bluntly as that - I accused Elbirn of being scum straight after the N1 flip and Elbirn did the whole LAMIST thing of 'woah keep quiet doc'

So given that he knows i suspect him I guess he is trying to pocket me by just declaring me town so I leave him alone.



Finally go look at Elbirns reasons for being on the Saudade/Vortuka wagons - need I say more?
Also consider that he has obviously identified Wake as a town player that perhaps goes against the grain, at least certainly irritates me, so that is a town weakness he can exploit and he is straight on the wagon today.



VOTE: Elbirn

I really want to think you're Town; my gut is telling me otherwise. If Elbirn were to flip Town I would ask the rest of Town to focus scrutiny on you.

Being wrong doesn't necessarily make one Scum. Elbirn being wrong about Saudade doesn't make him Scum, but his reason for voting me does feel contrived. I don't know if Wimy has replace out as Scum before, or how common in general that is. The only reason I was hesitant to vote Elbirn is because in general I think replace-outs are done by Town. But I do understand Scum

could

replace out, but how likely is it? Besides that, nothing else really protects him from scrutiny.

Alimdia, how many games as Scum have you completed?

The thing is profii, so far if you look at all the claims, there is no full powered PR role that acts every night. You get what I'm saying?


By the way, the reason why I wanted a mass claim was to see if anyone was a N3 powerrole as well.

Were you referring to me?

I have never been scum @wake88

I don't even remember the last time I was Scum. It's probably been at least 2 years.

Zote, Elements, Salad, Elbirn, and Plank.

You all need to contribute.

You posted this at ~4AM, I was asleep, bite my big toe

Also wake does not get to decide we're mass claiming

Also also Wake Jailkept his scumread and his very next post was feigned confusion over a No kill, even though the most natural town-conclusion would be that he blocked it, ergo he lies

VOTE: Wake88

thing is

this post makes more sense to me than that elbirn is scum

but i think it might be overzealous and we aren't making progress in our consensus here. i don't like that Wake initially had a lynch pool of 'vorkuta/salad/elements/saudade/saladman' but now he's switched to elbirn suddenly

what happened to the other 2 wake and why is elbirn suddenly not just suspicious, but your strongest scumread?

does saladman/elements' play not bother you more? what reason do you have to scumread elbirn over those 2?

I switched to Elbirn because, as mentioned earlier, I find his reason for voting me to be contrived and out of the blue, and not in line with any of his past posts.

As for Salad and Elements (and Vorkuta/Zote) I feel they need to contribute more. I feel like it's only a handful of us actually engaging now. After Day 1 I become far more active.

I mean you have a modifier that says you can't use it to roleblock scum basically. And you use it on Eibirn?

Anyway, does this mean we are stopping the claim?

Looks like it.

[Wake1]

I mean you have a modifier that says you can't use it to roleblock scum basically. And you use it on Eibirn?

Is this referring to me?

I used my ability on Profii, not Elbirn.

[Wake1]

Wake if your gut thinks I'm scum why did I vote looker after the first looker started to die? Why didn't I ignore it and let the wagon go elsewhere

Fair point.

[Wake1]

I'm inclined to pressure Elbirn today.

[Wake1]

Eve replaces Zote the Mighty

VC 4.0

Eve (1):

Elements

Elbirn (1):

profii

Wake88 (1):

Eve

Not voting (5):

UltimatePlank, Elbirn, Saladman27, Wake88, alimdia

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-12-09 02:15:00)

Hey Montosh I'm voting wake, not eve. Lots of E names, ez mistake

I'm not around to really play at the moment need to go grocery shopping. But I skimmed profi's post and he's still wrong town, wake tells lies and his lynch pool is, notably, now every single player in the game. Alimdia being a N3 ____ also means wake is lying about his role. Uhh hello Eve. Okay I think that about covers it

Yeah, this is Scum.

VOTE: Elbirn

[Wake1]

Alright fellas

I'm a Town Night 3 _______

I was thinking it soft-counter-claims Wake's role by having 2 Night 3 PRs? Not so sure anyone though. I don't have any useful results so will not claim the rest of my role.

I think it counter claims Wake’s PR cause there’s usually no more than 3 PRs. VOTE: Wake

Not liking Salad's narrow-mindedness, and not liking Eve's sheeping.

[Wake1]

Well idk

Only thing for me to go off right now

So you'd rather sheep than read the game or ask questions?

[Wake1]

Well idk

Only thing for me to go off right now

So you'd rather sheep than read the game or ask questions?

I am reading the game from here

Ok Wake why did you jailkeep profii?

I jailkept my Scumspect but didn't realize what the Loyal modifier did.

[Wake1]

Oof I keep typing stuff wrong.

Wake, ignoring my claim isn't going to make it go away.

What is there to ignore?

Do you really think there can't be two N3-specific PRs in this game?

...is that your angle?

[Wake1]

Well idk

Only thing for me to go off right now

So you'd rather sheep than read the game or ask questions?

I am reading the game from here

Ok Wake why did you jailkeep profii?

I jailkept my Scumspect but didn't realize what the Loyal modifier did.

I thought your scumspect was eibirn, not profii?

No, it was Profii.

[Wake1]

Its possible, its just that means there's too many 'named townies' effectively.

How much, in your opinion, is too much?

Knowing my role, I know you pursuit of this angle will blow up in your face. Considering the roles flipped/claimed have primarily been specific, there being more of them is certainly possible. I don't think this argument that there's too many named Towniea has merit.

[Wake1]

I think it's kind of hilarious, because you're saying it's not possible for there to be two N3 PRs so my unpressured claim is not legitimate, yet Alimdia's vague claim somehow is?

[Wake1]

I'd be open to pressuring Salad.

[Wake1]

id rather see you give thoughts on saladman wake, rather than just be 'open to voting him'

why?

any reason beyond the fact that it's...not you?

Well, to set the record straight, I said I'd be opening to pressuring him.

[Wake1]

*open.

[Wake1]

The only reason I thought wake is town was because he was the counter-wagon to Looker, but even Looker didn't want to vote Wake and looker instead tried to counterwagon on someone else.

Plus his JK claim. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

You do realize I first voted for him and pushed his wagon.

Do you really think I would hardbus my partner if it were just two of us?

Tell me again how that's worth it.

[Wake1]

You may have voted looker first but you never helped me after that. I'm pretty sure I made the majority of the case and asked more people to hop on...

If you were looker's partner I wouldn't even call that a bus

That's irrelevant.

If I were Scum do you honestly think I'd initiate the wagon on my partner and just let it happen? And as you know I HATE Day 1, which is exactly why I wasn't engaged with the game. THAT is my general meta.

Your argument may as well apply to you, and you being the partner getting rid of him, and your actions would be considered bussing.

[Wake1]

I think the worst part about this game is that it makes you FEEL paranoid and see Scum in pretty much everyone. That's what I'm dealing with right now.

[Wake1]

Theres no world in which theres a N3 Doctor and a N3 Jailkeeper

I also expect wake is the only person here who would no kill every night as scum

So I'm just gonna sit here

You're gonna eat these words post-game, Elbirn.

[Wake1]

I think scum could be storing up kills and then release them all at once on a future night

There's a role for that but not sure if it's Normal

It's not.

[Wake1]

All I'm going to say is that if I get mislynched because people "couldn't believe" there'd be two N3 PRs then I'm going to say lynch Elbirn because he is Scum.

[Wake1]

Guys, have you lost your minds?

WHY are you voting me? You literally have NO GOOD REASON for it.

[Wake1]

That's a hammer, asshole.

You just hammered Town.

All of you, what in the fuck were you THINKING?

Scum is definitely on my wagon.

[Wake1]

Elbirn, what the FUCK?

WHY would you vote for such a STUPID FUCKING REASON?

YOU ARE SCUM. No way would Town go with such bullshit reasons for this lynch.

[Wake1]

Profii, YOU should have known better.

[Wake1]

Elements, Eve, you both fucked up.

I say lynch Eve next. Elements fucked up as well.

[Wake1]

VC 4.0

Wake88 (3):

Elbirn, Saladman27, Eve

(L-2)

Elbirn (2):

profii, Wake88

Eve (1):

Elements

Not voting (2):

UltimatePlank, alimdia

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-12-09 02:15:00)

Oh, so I'm L-1.

Why would you vote me when you've already voted me Eve?

[Wake1]

why are you so mad? you need to relax it's just a game

I don't like bullshit, idiotic, illogic, contrived reasons for lynching someone

There's NO GOOD REASON to lynch me. Especially if you're Town. Elbirn I no longer Townread. His reasons for trying to lynch me have been complete and utter bullshit.

And that does make me MAD. Makes me PISSED. As Town you're supposed to used your head and be logical.

[Wake1]

the only other townread i have from beyond day1 is profii, who i'm sure is town alongside alimdia/elbirn

wimpy replace out never gets less town no matter how i re-read it, profii is conftown and alimdia is my only actual townread based on play

i wanna say that eve's obstinance is probably more likely to be town than anything saladman has done tho

Why is profii conftown?

That's what I want to know too.

My ability N3 doesn't Conftown him.

[Wake1]

Elbirn, what the FUCK?

WHY would you vote for such a STUPID FUCKING REASON?

YOU ARE SCUM. No way would Town go with such bullshit reasons for this lynch.

Elements, Eve, you both fucked up.

I say lynch Eve next. Elements fucked up as well.

so you think Elbirn is scum but you'd lynch me for messing up?

To be honest I don't know because a handful of you are Scummy and it's a bitch trying to sort you all out

Zote didn't do diddly this game. You barely read the game and have been shooting at the hip. Salad has such a non-presence that I feel he could be Scum too. Elbirn I initially read as Town due to Wimpy's replacing out, but his latest turn towards lynching me and complete lack of cogent thought also makes me think he's Scum. Profii turns in the wind, and if he's actually Town he needs to be smarter than this. Alimdia actually makes sense most of the time and is patient but fuck it'll probably turn out that he's Scum. And it I missed anyone it's because you suck and need to post more

[Wake1]

I think the wisest course would be to analyze Zote's posts. Although Zote cannot respond, Eve can, but she cannot effectively speak for Zote. To read the slot best we have to read all of the slot's posts.

[Wake1]

Well I read Zote's posts, they're so much fluff but he did do a half-ass attempt at defending Looker.

@Wake88, given my breadcrumb, you believe my claim right?

About 90%, but if it's you me and some random in LYLO I'm going to start having doubts.

[Wake1]

I feel like Elements and Saladman have been hanging out in the background for a long while. I can understand that during Day 1 but not in mid-to-late game.

[Wake1]

I mean, Montosh has more posts than Salad.

I feel like pressuring either of those two would be a good idea.

[Wake1]

[Wake1]

...... whos still trying in this game, put up their hands.

I am. I just don't like shit cases.

[Wake1]

You have a case on Eibirn?

Just gut reads and a WTF after him trying to lynch me because he thinks there can't possibly be two N3 PRs in this game. Logical Town would understand it's possible.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Elbirn If Ali wants to policy lynch someone other than me, now that’s a problem...

Ok back to Elbirn then VOTE: Elbirn

Okay how many mislynches do we have left cuz I'll burn this game to the ground just to get rid of these kids, I changed my mind

Scratch this, I'm just pissed at kids for being bad at this game. If we lynch them both and they're town we go to 4p mylo, we need to just lynch correctly

*scratches head*

Yet you're the one who says there can't possibly be two N3 PRs in this game.

[Wake1]

Elbirn if Looker was my partner do you really think I'd put the first vote on him, keep it on, and make sure he gets lynched? You don't think I'd try to keep my partner alive Day 1?

HELLO.

EARTH TO ELBIRN.

[Wake1]

Somebody talk some sense into Elbirn before he gets hammered.

ALSO, I would have you claim since you are at L-1.

[Wake1]

I'd be open to an Eve, Salad, or Elbirn lynch today.

I feel like Plank, Elements, and Profii are in my blind spot: I can't tell their alignment.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Eve I’m thinking she’s hopping on wagons as they gain traction, hoping for a mislynch. I mean that response to plank’s argument about mean just screams to me “i have a valid reason to mislynch, thanks plank!”

On a side note, Eve's contributed more than you have this game.

She's posted more in 1 day than you have in 4, and that makes me think you're refraining from contributing.

I want to know why you've been hanging out in the background for so long.

[Wake1]

If Salad is lynched and flips Town I'd be OK with an Eve lynch.

[Wake1]

Don't look at me I've caught the last scum and am waiting patiently for him to answer my question

You ain't caught shit.

I'm not a PEZ dispenser. You don't just press my button and a read pops out. If I want to give out reads, I will.

You're not gonna make me play how

you

want me to play.

[Wake1]

[Starting from Day 4]

Spoiler: alimdia

Currently I'm Town-reading Alimdia. He's been one of the more active players here.

What do you think about the failed mass-claim, alimdia?

I'd like to know, alimdia, what you're like during your Scum games.

Also, do you still not believe my claim or?

I know that in the post-game you will see that Saudade was lying and fabricating his 'result.' I still don't know if my action protected Town profii, or failed against Scum profii. I see in 1118 you've never been scum; great.

Are you willing to share what your N3 action and target was, alimdia?

It's already been used up, and I see little if any reason to conceal that information currently. I'd also like to know if you still think Eve was/is sheeping. OK, so you were N3 Doctor; I'd like to know who you targeted and why please.

Spoiler: Elbirn

I never said we were mass-claiming, nor did I demand it; I asked players one-by-one when passing the popcorn, and asked another player when one refused. So apparently you're only voting for me because you don't think it's possible two NS PRs can exist.

That said, will you vote Alimdia once you realize I was telling the truth if I am mislynched?

I'd also like to know why you are unwilling to believe my claim, yet willing to believe alimdia's based on your POV regarding setup.

Spoiler: Elements

I don't feel like you've contributed much if any content this Day. It feels like you're playing safe. [Do you still Scumread the Zote/Eve slot?[/b] You had mentioned 'strange progression' and 'contradiction after contradiction,' which I imagine should be something to continue pursuing, despite the slot switch. I do like your 1177. I targeted profii because I thought he could be Scum, but I didn't know what the 'Loyal' modifier did, thus skewing my result. I'd also like to know if you think it's reasonable to Scumread someone because it's apparent there's two N3 PRs in this game.

Spoiler: Eve

I feel like you know how to play Mafia, yet are coming off as if you're inexperienced. Could you at least share the amount (time-wise) of experience your main account had? You're sheeping way too much, and you've done so yet again in 1250; it just looks opportunistic.

Spoiler: profii

Do you believe quick-hammering makes one Scum?

I'm Townreading profii a bit for his Scumhunting, although he's wrong on his suspicions towards me. In hindsight I probably wouldn't have quickhammered, and I can see how it'd be viewed as Scummy; doubtful I'd do that again in the future.

You mentioned you'd have no issue claiming, so do you still have no issue with it or are you deciding to hold back?

I'd like to know where you're planning to put your vote, profii. You said Scum is obviously Elbirn, yet you're currently not voting anyone. Your 1130 does make me Townread you for now; I don't think you'd allow for your partner to be lynched so early. Since I Townread you more than others currently, I'd like to know if you think two N3 PRs are possible in this game. The Loyal modifier could potentially clear someone, too, but because there was no NK that threw that idea out the window.

Spoiler: Saladman27

You were quick to vote me because you didn't think it possible that 2 N3 PRs could exist, yet now you're voting someone else, and I would like to understand from you why. I think you, like UP, need to contribute a lot more if you're Town.

Spoiler: UltimatePlank

You're currently in my Null pile. I'd like to see you take more risks instead of playing so safely.

Do you still think the last Scum is obviously within Elements or Saladman?

Interesting that you echoed my concern that alimdia could have been hardbussing Looker; I just don't see it as an optimal strategy, although it's possible.

Would you still vote me over alimdia, but Elements/Saladman before either of us?

I'd like to know if you're still on the fence regarding Wimpy/Elbirn slot. I want to see you take a stronger position in this game, to at least make me feel that you're Town and actively looking for Scum. I feel like you haven't provided much for reads either, but I do agree his hammer on Looker looked, well, off.

[Wake1]

Don't look at me I've caught the last scum and am waiting patiently for him to answer my question

You ain't caught shit.

I'm not a PEZ dispenser. You don't just press my button and a read pops out. If I want to give out reads, I will.

You're not gonna make me play how

you

want me to play.

Wake I need to be able to track where you're at. Reading your posts I can see 0 thought process, its just you stating that you're fine with lynching what would appear to be *anyone*, because you're not actually solving. I'm not "making you play how I want you to play"; I'm asking you to put in a bare minimum amount of effort so I can better understand you, which you...should only have an aversion to as scum.

Dis you read #1369?

[Wake1]

I could hammer Salad, but if he's Town I'll get blamed for it, so I'll pass this time.

[Wake1]

@wake did you just pull that out of your ass or what?

less on the fence about elbirn? echoing your sentiments?

chronological order isn't an opinion btw

ive read day1 3 times now and wimpy's replace out never looks scummy. its the most obvtown thing in the game. have multiple times mentioned that i dont see alimdia hardbus potential as relevant because i townread his play on top of his looker push. if someone was bussing looker, it wasnt alimdia.

idk man, your slot is kinda wearing thin for me. i think salad is the last scum, but i thought saudade was the last scum yesterday too. theres a lot of slots in this game that make sense as scum, and very few slots doing things that i actually townread simultaneously

eve is a good replace in though and im slight townreading them.

*Hugs Plank*

Breathe, my friend, breathe.

Wimpy replaced out all his games and siteflaked. That means he could have been Scum in any of those, including this one.

[Wake1]

Is that seriously a hammer?

[Wake1]

VOTE: Eve

[Wake1]

Nope, it's yet another fake-hammer.

[Wake1]

Totally not annoying and redundant.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Elbirn

[Wake1]

Is that seriously a hammer?

VOTE: Eve

Why would you try to vote me after thinking someone's been hammered? That vote wouldn't go through

And then why change your vote off me after you realised it wasn't a hammer? Doesn't really make any sense go me at all Wake

It does if you'd consider it means me coming to flay your ass alive Day 5 if he flipped Town.

[Wake1]

So the vote on me was symbolic after you thought I'd hammered Salad?

Yep.

Choose wisely.

[Wake1]

I'm VT btw

You're not hammered btw.

[Wake1]

Eh, I feel Salad's reaction to the fake-hammer was underwhelming. Just saying.

[Wake1]

oh did we lynch salad

hopefully this is gg

I think if you were Town and invested in Town winning you would be acutely aware of this not currently being a lynch, and your second line is completely unnecessary fluff.

[Wake1]

OK so that helps explain why there was at least one no-kill, and likely a 2nd.

[Wake1]

Oh shit there's only 6 of us left.

[Wake1]

What do you mean likely a 2nd ... do you not have faith in your JK

We had 3 no-kills, profii, in a row.

Assuming my JK N3 protected you, that means there were still 2 no-kills on days 1 and 2.

...

Then again, alimdia may have used his Doctor ability N3 and stopped the kill, and you may in fact still be Scum, because my Loyal JK ability on you would not have worked if you were Scum.

[Wake1]

I'm thinking we should start here.

VOTE: profii

[Wake1]

so you're saying because there's a possibility ali healed someone you're loyal JK must have failed on profii?

If he is Scum for the reasons I listed and we do nothing based on this, then what do we do?

[Wake1]

I think a mass-claim is in order.

Perhaps someone could be caught in a lie.

[Wake1]

What do you mean likely a 2nd ... do you not have faith in your JK

We had 3 no-kills, profii, in a row.

Assuming my JK N3 protected you, that means there were still 2 no-kills on days 1 and 2.

...

Then again, alimdia may have used his Doctor ability N3 and stopped the kill, and you may in fact still be Scum, because my Loyal JK ability on you would not have worked if you were Scum.

I'll try and make this super clear:

NIGHT 1 - no kill - explaination - not locked down but very certain in my mind - Ali was a very strong advocate for the Looker lynch, therefore a highly likely target. He flipped bullet proof. This makes sense. I'm not really going to entertain any other theories unless they are very compelling.

NIGHT 2 - no kill - unexplained - we have no claims to suggest anyone was bullet proof or protected on night 2 so it's a mystery as to why scum didnt kill.

NIGHT 3 - no kill - 2 explainations: 1) Wake Loyal JK on Profii - if we believe the claim, you protected me, I might have been the target. 2) Ali protected Elbirn - Ali flipped town doc, so he is almost certainly telling the truth. But that only means Elbirn MIGHT have been the target, which does not confirm me or Elbirn. My opinion is that at least one of scenarios 1) & 2) actually happened but we can't prove either. There is also a possbility both 1) and 2) happened so both of us are town.

Alimdia was N3 Doctor, but 1-Shot BP, which was continuous since Day 1. Alimdia could have been hit during any of those 3 Nights I think.

[Wake1]

I don't like how we're assuming Elbirn is Town because Wimpy site-flaked.

At first when I Townread him I didn't know he left the whole site.

He shouldn't be Townread just for that.

[Wake1]

Are we claiming or not?

Do we have any results or not?

[Wake1]

*Breathes in deep.*

*Trying to be calm. Real calm.*

Guys, I think we should mass-claim. It's getting to that point.

[Wake1]

[Wake1]

It could be Eve, Elbirn, profii, or Plank. Fuck, it could be Elements too.

Who here thinks I'm Town and thinks Scum deliberately killed alimdia to doubt-cast my claim?

[Wake1]

*Breathes in deep.*

*Trying to be calm. Real calm.*

Guys, I think we should mass-claim. It's getting to that point.

Why don't you say who you think is town or who you think is scum and include why rather than just saying mass claim mass claim

Probably because I can't tell who is who and need info BADLY which is why I pined for a mass claim?

[Wake1]

I'm in for a no lynch

Is that optimal play in this situation?

[Wake1]

well if anyone actually could, we would have solved the game by now, that is basically the point of us being here - give us your best guesses man

You - you're not cleared by my Loyal N3 JK ability, because if you were Scum literally nothing would happen.

Eve - plays at being a dumb noob but I don't buy it. Forgot already who the replacement was. Zote? If Zote he didn't do squat.

Plank - something tells me he's just too smooth and blending in for my liking. His activity level, like yours profii kind of makes me more comfortable, but then again Scum can be busy too.

Elbirn - should NOT be given a pass from the Wimpy wimp-out. His sudden turn against me in complete contrast to his earlier posts disturbs me.

Elements - I can't fucking tell with this guy.

[Wake1]

like honestly wake, this is getting beyond ridiculous if you're actually town

prior to this current day, alimdia + saladman were both alive: and you had reasons for scumreading both of them too?

you quite legitimately failed to townread any player out of 7 in the entire game? bruh...

You do realize I'm part of the uninformed majority, right?

[Wake1]

UNVOTE: profii

[Wake1]

Only person I townread is Wake

we nolynch today but i think the last scum is Elements or Wake

Only 51 posts apart and about a day's difference.

You're not being consistent at all.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Eve

[Wake1]

*sigh*

VOTE: No Lynch

[Wake1]

how can you sigh about a no lynch, you want to lynch literally every player

You're being annoying, Profii.

I never said I wanted to lynch every player.

And I'm frustrated how Scum is blending in like this.

[Wake1]

Oh shit.

Have all claims happened already?

[Wake1]

There's 5 of us left, I think the last scum is plank of wake. Plank because of looker, wake because of claims.

Do you know how nonsensical that sounds?

You don't think N3 Loyal Jailkeeper can exist in a game with a N3 Doctor?

In a normal Micro I played they had a full Vig and a Friendly Neighbor.

Is the only reason you're Scumreading me because of my claim?

[Wake1]

I'll be looking over this game tonight.

Wrapping up my 6th straight 12-hour night shift in a row in 3 hours.

[Wake1]

I have no idea who the last Scum.

I do know that profii was at odds with me yesterday, and I wouldn't be surprised if the last Scum killed him to cast doubt on me.

Did everyone claim?

I don't think I saw a reason attached to Eve's vote on me, and I don't think her slot should be cleared because of Wimpy's replace-out. I don't feel particularly comfortable with Elbirn, either. Elements and Plank I feel more comfortable with, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's where the last Scum is.

I feel like the key to solving this puzzle is seeing who Looker interacted with Day 1. The lack of associations makes it so difficult to get a read on the last Scum.

[Wake1]

Why should we vote Plank?

[Wake1]

That doesn't help.

[Wake1]

By that same token, why are you not explaining to me why you think he's Scum?