Mini Theme 2105: Assassins Mafia (Game Over!)

[unwnd]

Reading is for town players

Spoiler:

[unwnd]

I'm not going to pay much attention to this game until like a week from now because I'm busy EiMMing
I saw "48 hour days" and freaked out for a second wondering what fresh hell Maria had recruited me for

Spoiler:

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I don't know why everyone is dealing in absolutes so soon, the conversation being had just reads like two players convinced by conjecture instead of prior evidence. Pops is acting strange surely but in a position where Pop's strangeness alludes to scum she'd just be giving us more information than I gather she would want to. This is a partial meta read

[unwnd]

I'm not going to pay much attention to this game until like a week from now because I'm busy EiMMing
I saw "48 hour days" and freaked out for a second wondering what fresh hell Maria had recruited me for

Spoiler:

I'm rating this 4/10.
Stock watermark hurt the score more than you'd think.

Spoiler:

[unwnd]

Like the only game I barely remember is that one scumgame of mine where Oversoul replaced in as my scumbuddy in that one mara hydra large theme and lurked the f out (as he should've done for our scumteam was basicaly destroying the game by flooding the game with pointless sematics SvS).

Who is worse here in your eyes: Pops or DNS

You've interacted w/ both

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Who is worse here in your eyes: Pops or DNS

You've interacted w/ both

So far? Pops. She has commited a grave sin of voting me.

I don't think you're entirely serious, but that seems to fit the current attitude you've had consistently

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Uh I guess you can call it more of an observation, but maybe it will turn into a read? You have moments of feigned interest littered throughout the thread, so I dunno if that's intentional or not

[unwnd]

For some reason, I thought in my head "Ok, I'm gonna wait until other people posted because it seems like an echo chamber of familiar people and some new insight would be cool" but then I peered at the playerlist and realized we're only missing Dunn/Shadoweh/Abu/Suji

[unwnd]

I mean, I kinda see this game at the focal point of Pops/DNS/Pine based on sheer volume, because usually games end up where there is a singular effect that gets everyone talking or participating in scrum debates for either side. I do think however that Pops/DNS is uh more defined meanwhile you had Pine who gave an aggressive position on Tris while sort of dogging DNS and frankly if we're talking or voting any of those three It'd be Pine. His suspicions didn't read valid to me, and I thought his raise of concern to DNS to be a pretty hollow way of approval. What I mean by this is essentially you had Pine saying 'look how serious I am' and then almost weaponizing his concern against DNS for not seeing it his way. Not sure what Pine gains as town in that position, unless he's trying to scare DNS into voting Tris and he has some crackshot theory that Tris/DNS could be a thing lol

VOTE: Pine

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Who said GIF is kinda weird and on the offensive? Was it Bitbringer? I agree in hindsight but after GIF's response to me I decided said weirdness is like a quirk. Something to keep an eye out for but not totally alarming

[unwnd]

and he has some crackshot theory that Tris/DNS could be a thing lol

isn't that what 79 explicitly says?

I don't believe it though

Even though it technically involves you, what do you think about it?

[unwnd]

Huh

I kinda was offering that question to see what you think about DNS, or perhaps Pine pairing him up with you

[unwnd]

I don't think it's right to force content, even in a hypothetical scenario where it's [scum] that is not on top of things

Honestly? I've made the mistake before to assume town was just bored and trying to speak circular logic to one another, but then again an inactive [town] can lead to some anxious or even opportunistic scum to start pushing a narrative about the pace of the game. I'm not saying that what's happening, but RN I feel Pine has some explaining to do and I'm not ready to call this game solved with active posters very likely town

[unwnd]

Spoiler: Cheat sheet

Town
Pops
Tris
GiF
--
Lady Angel
Weh
Dunn
Suji
Abu
--
NaCl
DNS
Bitbringer
Pine
Scum

Where I'm tentatively at, wouldn't be shocked to be wrong about one of those townreads (see: previous post) but I digress

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I mean, even though I said 'im not ready to call active posters all town' and then proceeded to do it, I think what's happening right now that I am willing to believe it despite a certain doubt. With pops, it's pretty much the same feeling where I feel she's spent a lot of time uh..wasting time in ways that don't seem to have an ulterior motive. If her goal as scum is to be impressively aloof in the way she presents her arguments to fool others she can just win the game at this point. I also think DNS/Pops probably isn't some SvS and maybe even SvT

[unwnd]

And why is Lady Angel on the higher side of null?

From memory, nothing that stood out to be scummy but also not towny, but inoffensive in a way that I didn't think further about her posts. With Weh/Dunn their nullness could have more of an underbelly, but not enough where I'd put them any lower where they are. Abu/Suji needed a spot to be and they got below Weh/Dunn probably due to my personal bias towards Weh/Dunn seeing how I said I could expect them to have some goal towards being null lol

[unwnd]

Just ISO'd to see why you're voting Lady Angel and all you basically said she was terrible so explain it a bit further I guess?

[unwnd]

Would it look worse to fail a reaction test or disengage with one altogether?

I'm surprised what he said about you is still affecting you honestly

[unwnd]

Game pace is fine I think, I dislike having my vote park and waiting for Pine to 'get into the game' though

[unwnd]

I don't believe funnstrals scumread on me. Feels fake.

Being non-descript and unassuming to silently push agendas without overtly stating one's intent is kinda cool if one person does it but if the whole game tries to then it becomes practically unreadable. is this intentional on your part?

[unwnd]

OK let me correct myself: You said Dunnstral felt fake but you didn't give me something more to latch onto besides that.

[unwnd]

Sheep's content sorta left me just feeling OK. It sucks when you accuse someone and then they replace out so you're left hanging on what the slot's previous intent was.

Sheep, why Tris > Bitbringer despite Bitbringer's wagon having more people?

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Regarding the bitbringer wagon, could someone explain what they see there? To me, it seems like bitbringer has done a lot not really saying much, although I don't see anything that super jumps out as scummy.

It hasn't been exactly my fight but if we're being objective he essentially went at Dunn completely unprepared and ended up looking foolish cause of it. Whether you think that's scummy or not depends on the perspective, because personally I can argue that the act of 'flailing' is not the equivalent of being rly passionate, which is something I attributed to Bit given his own words in another game. I dislike when Dunn called him out on [previously mentioned] he instantly retracted and was like 'oh I guess dunn is town'. I personally believe Bit did the equilvalence of a scum digging deeper into something to seem conscientious in ways that might make others think he isn't just looking for the next largest wagon to plop his vote on, but in turn he seemed to admit he was backed into a corner and just voted Shadoweh. His vote IMO is far too careful in this regard and his pressure seems fake because of this

[unwnd]

My vote is on Bitbringer in spirit, if someone can point to what obvious thing Sheep did to be town please do it in ur discretion

[unwnd]

But is it scummy fake

Or are you like

Imma accept both types opinions on this as they come in
Since it's at least fake

It's kind of an unexciting line
It's more exciting to vote bit for emptyhearted townreading

If this is towards me and Bit, it's scummy fake

I just try to see perspective because that's literally just the type of person I am lol

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My vote is on Bitbringer in spirit, if someone can point to what obvious thing Sheep did to be town please do it in ur discretion

why on spirit? is it for optics because u seem overtly concerned about optics

Because I'm not done with Sheep yet

[unwnd]

I know you said you were on Weh cause you had nothing but what does mean for your read on her? I don't entirely disagree with your vote on DNS, I just wonder where ['struggling to get into the game] turns into VOTE:

[unwnd]

I’m liking sheepy for town.

VOTE: Sugimichi

- OS

I was just about to commend you for your quotewall wrt Bitbringer and then you change your vote like this

What purpose did it serve anyways? There was nothing that seemed like Bitbringer was a dying wagon

[unwnd]

sheep, nacl, pops, tse
dunn, gif
--abu, unwnd, shadoweh
dns, bit, tris, creat

never going to adjust my reads based on the neighborhood sorry

I don't think that townlist will ever exist properly in the current scope of this game, not including yourself. I dunno, yours and TSE's posts are pretty similar in approach of posting rapidly in a short period of time under the pretense of trying to solve but what you've been saying doesn't exactly stick with me. I'd prefer a concrete reasoning why you're selective towards your apparent scumreads (see: what I called DNS out for) because again there was nothing showing that Bitbringer suddenly became a bad option in two pages. Like, what exactly gives tris priority over Bitbringer?

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VOTE: Bitbringer

Just to prove the wagon is far from dead

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I know you said you were on Weh cause you had nothing but what does mean for your read on her? I don't entirely disagree with your vote on DNS, I just wonder where ['struggling to get into the game] turns into VOTE:

u realize there are two personalities playing this game, right?

-fire

Ok but what is one of your reads on Weh

Either head is fine

[unwnd]

VOTE: Bitbringer

Just to prove the wagon is far from dead

Want to defend yourself?
Want to give your Pop read?
Want to give your sheep read?
Want to give your TSE Read?
Want to give any RN?
Want to vote someone that isn’t interacting or mentioning you?

Spoiler:

Unwnd: Damn Right! I’m trying to miss Lynch Bitbringer

No
Townie
Scummy
Annoying
What does that even mean?

[unwnd]

VOTE: Bitbringer

Just to prove the wagon is far from dead

Want to defend yourself?
Want to give your Pop read?
Want to give your sheep read?
Want to give your TSE Read?
Want to give any RN?
Want to vote someone that isn’t interacting or mentioning you?

Spoiler:

Unwnd: Damn Right! I’m trying to miss Lynch Bitbringer

No
Townie
Scummy
Annoying
What does that even mean?

So why do you Town read Pops over the others in the Neighbourhood?
Why do you Scum Read Sheep?

I'm not thinking about the neighborhood, it's in the back of my head honestly

Everything he says reads hollow, I don't understand why people jumped to the conclusion that the slot was town due to a minor catchup flurry and some sporadic activity with sentence one-liners not digging fully into his thought process. That's literally the scum textbook thing to do, and while he is no longer Pine the initial distaste in my mouth is still there. Is that all of my reasoning? Absolutely not, but I think this is the second time I've mentioned how I don't understand Sheep is townie because I see no true convinction in his posts. They're easy to make, and sometimes I have this mentality of similiarity, meaning that Bitbringer also makes inconsequential one-liners without any thorough explanation so it begs the question if all scum are operating under the same agenda.

The likely answer is no, but I like Bitbringer's wagon because it was the first to be actually substantiated by a slot, and a lot of people were on DNS and now there (was) some

accountability

to his vote instead of just haphazardly putting it somewhere else. This is what I liked and wanted to see more, because the current status of the game is people 'feeling out' votes and making exaggerated statements for reaction. I do it too, but I liked the way Bitbringer was going because of the

accountability

of everyone on it, something that this game needs rn instead of guess-and-check, which I think we've past that point.

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Posting one-liners is fine, you have plenty of one-liner postings in here but every person is different.

I don't need some detailed thesis or paragraph about the way you feel but a lot of things you do just don't really make much sense to me. I've talked about this such as why you decided to vote Tris over Bitbringer despite Bitbringer being I dunno, the leading wagon? This isn't a point that I want to beat everyone over the head with, I just want to understand individually why people seemingly were about to put Bitbringer through the gallows to the point where he said that he was ready to throw.

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where does my lack of thorough thinking iyo translate into wolf rather than not villagery, just out of curiosity

Timing and overall you're more reactionary than the other few. Pops to me is pretty alien, overall her position in the thread doesn't give me confidence but I feel like in some capacity she is trying to send signals from mother base that is understandable. That's a cheeky way of saying that the things she is doing seems to have intent and purpose. When you make posts I'm kinda wondering what it's all going to lead to? I guess another example I could give is GIF who isn't exactly making the most detailed reasoning but I'm not bothered by process because it comes from an individual perspective that doesn't seem fitted to what is going (right now). Your flurry wall doesn't really matter to me because of the timing that it comes from. You're quite reactionary to the criticism I've solicited thus far and have chosen to tell me to be dissapointed and turning into a play style thing. It's not entirely a playstyle thing.

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Sheep/TSE prob isn't a thing, I am very open to the idea of one though. I don't think TSE/Sheep/Bitbringer will

ever

be a thing but again you have a lot of people TRing sheep and then TSE seems like he'd give up a fight. Bitbringer essentially rolled over and I don't see why we wouldn't give him what he was supposedly wanting if I read it corrrectly.

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I've talked about this such as why you decided to vote Tris over Bitbringer despite Bitbringer being I dunno, the leading wagon?

if there was like a day left before deadline when i voted, i would have voted bit because they were a higher wagon

but independent strength of the read matters more for me until then; before then, votes mean pressure to me essentially and it seemed of my two scumreads one was already receiving enough pressure and one was getting no pressure and not really having to do anything

Independent reads bring variety, but I dunno where you think Tris is gonna get lynched over the other options if you don't bring something to the table feel me?

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Creature's posting was lackluster, and he's yet to attribute something that makes me townread him

All in favor?

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I really don't understand why Bitbringer deflated. Genuinely not a single bit, but trying to uh

Reflate it kinda seems like an effort better left for another day. Weh to me gets solved later, it's kinda cool she claimed a role so that helps that idea of (solving later) a lot easier to handle.

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I would actually rather bitbringer and I know my partner would too.

Oh, perhaps my habitual pessimism was decided too soon? I dunno, it begs the question where everyone else who unvoted is at rn too

[unwnd]

Would Lynch

Sheepsaysmeep
Bitbringer
AbuHumaid
NaCL
Creature

[unwnd]

Why would you go for this now, when you were against low-information lynches earlier? From what I've seen from Creature, yeah, the posting was meh, but I don't think that this lynch would really be that beneficial.

I dunno why you're ignoring what proceeded that? Who I would lynch is all there to gander in #93

[unwnd]

#933*

NaCL - They're solving so I don't really want to go after them

We both agree on this, as in

Both agree to maybe vote them

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VC 1.final

Bitbringer

(7)

-

unwnd

, Shadoweh,

Creature

, NaCl, GuyinFreezer, Dunnstral,

bitbringer

AbuHumaid

(3)

- popsofctown, sheepsaysmeep, tris

Shadoweh

(2)

- TrueSoulEnergy, Definitely Not Scum

TrueSoulEnergy

(1)

- , AbuHumaid

Not voting

-

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!
Deadline ends in (expired on 2019-11-06 17:25:06)

In no way is all the scum on Bitbringer mislynch, thinking that maybe one at best just based on wagonomics. I was TRing GiF for a while and I thought his spat at the end of the day reaffirmed that, no strong explanation other than I felt his frustration towards wanting to do more as town was p genuine. Weh gets solved later/maybe has something interesting to say. Dunn is ???a and then I've stated my position on NaCL before just not in-depth. I see a scenario happening where Weh doesn't GAF as scum and is a lone mate on there or I'd put chances on NaCl. Might be shortsighted to say 'there is definitely only one' but w/e

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I’ll be watching for a scum chat slip. O.O
That shit doesn’t fly past me.

?
What's this post mean?

In spite of being offwagon for the BitBringer thing, I think it might have been town driven. I don't think fixating on it is going to be the right path

I said what you did but just in higher volume

How does that make U feel

[unwnd]

1, or 2.

Any potshot theories if 1/2? I find on D1 if scum is able to not be involved with a mislynch they'll just let it happen

[unwnd]

I'm kicking my feet up and lighting a cigar this day because let's just say that uh

I am pretty much able to confirm my role

[unwnd]

Unwnd did you sleep peacefully?

Like a baby sucking his thumb

[unwnd]

I meant that game-wise

[unwnd]

I meant that game-wise

You sure? No Night feedback?

Nope, none

Does this have some greater purpose you're only slightly hinting at

[unwnd]

Not that I doubted it but I think TSE is town based on whatever he's doing ?_?

[unwnd]

NaCl can pair with Shadoweh or Dunnstral o.k. Although you or GiF could be a deepwolf too. I tend to agree with the kind of posting people are pointing out as leading away from GiF-scum but I just for some reason have this gut feeling that GiF could have a really wide scumrange. I can't actually justify it either, I've only ever seen him play town. Idk.

I'd be a lot more impressed if you flipped scum somehow.

If anything in the votecount sticks out I think Abu's TSE vanity wagon doesn't look good, with a big leading wagon like bitbringer it's townier to be WKing the wagon or counterwagoning it or even on it because you believe in it. The pattern of "sit back and let it happen" seems the most resonant for his slot with him spending time whining about getting scumread once he started playing but not spending any time I remember working to make sure the day's lynch was correct.

I might be starting a rock fight in a glass house to some extent but there was some softness to my bb read. Hydras suck :/

Agree about Abu. Think if NaCL somehow happens to be wrong then Dunn can be deepwolf but not gonna deal with that rn

[unwnd]

[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=11367404#p11367404]
No Vig on you.
Lynching You is best for Town.
Trust in me.

I really hope you're not trying to convince me lynching myself is best for Town. However no one is going to trust you regardless because you are openly bad.
I'm very concerned that this is going to be me today and Abu tomorrow and then we just like, lose.[/quote]

I don't believe in this plan, if anything I'd prefer NaCL

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Pops AND DNS both being scum is a stretch, but one? Possibly. I don't believe in easy games or one where the person who lurks a lot is clearly a scummy, not going to defend Abu here entirely but if we're using this game itself as a reference, Suji was a lurker for about 2 weeks and his slot flipped town. I guess the way I look at Abu is like, yeah, he's a good lynch if we're scratching our heads but I think there's more interesting choices out there.

I had a point to make about your point about 'why would scum claim their target when mod said not to' but that just goes into a bunch of circular logic and there's no point if you're [scum] to tell you doing [thing] to defend oneself by [anti-town] move means you are [town].

Results would be nice, do you have anyone you would trust to understand them?

[unwnd]

Agree about Abu. Think if NaCL somehow happens to be wrong then Dunn can be deepwolf but not gonna deal with that rn

I'd like to talk to you more about this NaCL read. What is the genesis of this read?

Pops, I would like the same analysis re: Abu

- OS

Just seems to fit in my mind. I've written paragraphs about a few people and I could selectively decide to compare the two in ways that point to similar behavior but then I'd be repeating myself. We have a fresh day on some new flips and once I live past D1 (lynched/killed) I like to start thinking about the exact reason for why wagons form. It's not exactly some new strategy, but it personally engages me. In D1, NaCL never really showed any gumption and I found a lot of his presence to be listless. I think he begs to have a greater impresssion on others but ultimately does nothing with it if that makes sense? If I can recall correctly, his bitbringer reasoning was kinda just like 'ok whatever' and just copying the consensus going around. I think in terms of how bitbringer happen and the idea of being scum it would be the person who would feign indifference in the moment of suspicion.

[unwnd]

ISO'ing NaCL and here's how thought process turns on Bitbringer over the course of the week(s). Call this a semi-case but I really do believe in timing. Maybe that's a bias towards myself but I feel like scum especially always have their intentions placed in ways that work out in their favor. Like, NAcL's indifference towards bitbringer remains somewhat consistent but still touching on a topic that gains traction.

As for unwnd, it's not just that it's a null read, but he's scumreading a lot of people

(idk what bitbringer has really done to earn it, mostly)

Regarding the bitbringer wagon, could someone explain what they see there? To me,

it seems like bitbringer has done a lot not really saying much, although I don't see anything that super jumps out as scummy.

I think what's interesting to me is that around the time NAcL decides to say Bitbringer is scummy, deadline is closer approaching. ISO's can sometimes be misleading but I wanna refer to when DNS started to double-down on Bitbringer, because it was around this turning point actually. I'll try not to bring exact dates but picture in your mind (or go look) around the time I'm referring to.

bitbringer feels like scum flailing.

I don't really care for the whole semantics argument.

This is such a quick and sudden turn from the previous stance he took, and for what reason? I think what tips me off is that he made inquiries to understand other's perspectives but I don't think he ever had real purpose to y'know,

consider

it. Scum doesn't really need to consider points made by town, just nod slowly and agree in ways that make others townread him. I think at this point Bitbringer was doing things that would become agreeable to scumread him, and IDR but I think I talked about accountability and whatever well look who's laughing now I got it sorta

*ahem*

I can keep going on the quote wall but it would just function in a poor way. Bitbringer itself is not really the catalyst for me when it comes to NAcL, you could replace that with anyone from any other game. It is the way he decided on Bitbringer, the way he kept himself available but never too much. I guess this is a longer form way of saying he's playing to the room, but I sure enjoyed typing about it and maybe my incoherent thought processes will make sense and you'll agree to vote him.

VOTE: NAcL

[unwnd]

wnd I don't think you have an agenda but I think your stance on abu's slot is dumbwrong

I just like posting alternatives to see what others say--when it comes to lynching him I certainly wouldn't cry over it

[unwnd]

I have things I want to address later today

[unwnd]

[unwnd]

I never got around to what I wanted to say because my motivation is waning right now. I feel like I don't have a strong indication of most people's agendas, and it's become like this perpetual waiting room. I know outright complaining usually doesn't solve anything, but in a position where I need to find scum, I want to either lean on other ideas or be backed up of my own. If people don't see NaCL then that's like totally fine, but I haven't gotten any feedback.

I don't wanna sound like a hypocrite though, in the back of my head I've said 'oh right should respond to NAcL' but just meh

[unwnd]

I've lost a preemptive list of town. This room needs energy. I wish a few players would talk at me instead of about me inadvertently in the room where they pretend I can't hear them (hint: the person who said NAcL push sucked) but beggars can't be choosers. Is it getting to the point of where I whine? Hopefully not. My last post was pretty whiny, but I really wanna come together about I dunno, something. When it came to Bitbringer's death and ML, I was hoping have a good chunk of people decidedly on him would create discussion about it, but instead it's pretty been pretty dull.

To the people standing in back -- Abu, Tris, (Dunn), Whoever GiF replacement is

What's up?

Lots have come in with a few points of himself but if the theme of this game so far is to awkwardly speak about someone across the room then dunno they're all doing their part. However, what's the basis of townreading here? That's an open question and I don't need a crash course of Mafia 101, but isn't Mafia's goal to mostly fit in with town? I am not suggesting that all 4 of these people are very obviously scum and they are doing just that, no, but it's hard to determine who is/isn't if they're all doing similar things. I agree that TSE is probably town for being dense but it's like he isn't afraid to be and everyone else is being frustratingly awkward. I repeat myself but that's the point.

[unwnd]

I don't get the basis of Weh's push on Pops under the pretense of the game state. Maybe it's different because Weh sees it like an unjustified tunnel but IMO if all you're gonna do is talk about your accusers you might as well be voted. I think if you flipped green then perhaps it could turn to Pops but dunno. I used to townread Pops pretty heavily for vague reasons, but time has moved on and I only have a gut feeling. If I compare you(weh)/Pops I would say that I'd probably vote you, but it makes me wonder if I'm making the same mistake where we voted Bitbringer as he claimed he wanted to die (what's up with people thinking wanting to die or not liking mafia means ur town?) because the most defining thing of your play this game so far weh has been a feedback loop of

I am PR
I dunno how to play town again
Uhh if we lynch me pops/DNS will win or something? Lynching me bad
I am PR, pops push me as PR?
I dunno how to scumhunt
Uhh if pops lynch me we lose

[unwnd]

Hopefully that didn't sound mean. I'm not trying to chide you, I just find it slightly humorous. If you are town Weh and really are just going through an amnesia state then like whatever. I sometimes freeze up as PR too or become all haughty and just state the obvious (or at least, what seems obvious) to others without putting in the full effort. RN though I don't see it that way, and if I'm not gonna vote NACl I'm probably raring to vote you, so instead of yknow just sorta talking about one another I'm looking at U directly

[unwnd]

DEB-ALTERED VOTE COUNT 2 . 3

Shadoweh

------------ 5 (

TrueSoulEnergy, popsofctown, Definitely Not Scum,

tris

, Dr Easy Bake

)

L- 1

popsofctown

--------- 2 (

Shadoweh, NaCl

)

L- 4

NaCL

---------------- 1 (

unwnd

)

L- 5

tris

---------------- 1 (

sheepsaysmeep

)

L- 5

unwnd

--------------- 1 (

Dunnstral

)

L- 5

TrueSoulEnergy

------ 0 ( )

L- 6

Definitely Not Scum

- 0 ( )

L- 6

Dunnstral

----------- 0 ( )

L- 6

sheepsaysmeep

------- 0 ( )

L- 6

Dr Easy Bake

-------- 0 ( )

L- 6

AbuHumaid

----------- 0 ( )

L- 6

Not Voting

---------- 1 (

AbuHumaid

)

I've got a weird feeling that if this was a town mislynch, it would have happened when I put them at L-1. Tris abandoned ship, so her and the other red players on this list are in my scum group. This is based on no prior game information, so y'all can try and change my mind with specifics if you want.

If you're making this assumption, then you believe it's a mislynch?

It's nitpicky but uh you kinda put Weh as a red despite what your said prior lol

[unwnd]

I haven’t read any of the game. If y’all wanted me to look into something specifically, lay it on me, I’ll give it a read. Shadow is correctly depicted as red in my altered VC, I think you should reread my post unwnd. I think the shadow lynch should go through.

Yeah I misinterpreted it a little bit.

When it comes to NAcL, I honestly think both Weh/NAcL can be scum together. We have time but at uh, the same time? I don't feel like we've been spending it too wisely. Not gonna go back to complaining, I think I just want results again. I don't know why Weh can only pop in to act more indignant despite what's happening but I digress.

Pops, if this is wrong then where are you looking? I wanna know a basis of where everyone's head is at, and even if you haven't entirely read Bake would like yours too.

[unwnd]

For me, if Weh isn't scum it's time to rethink some townreads. I mentioned that I lost my list but I digress. TSE is town. I think tris could be town. BDE/GiF slot is town. DNS is a tossup. sheep is a tossup. Dunn is a tossup, but eh sheeping DNS on that townread. That leaves Abu/NaCL/Weh in people I see the strongest potential for being scum. I agree this lynch should happen just for my own selfish gain. I do not think Tris/Abu are partners, as a minor footnote.

VOTE: Shadoweh

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By the way, I'm activating my innocent child tonight. My target died so I got the ability.

[unwnd]

I'm kicking my feet up and lighting a cigar this day because let's just say that uh

I am pretty much able to confirm my role

Slightly alluded to earlier but I guess nobody cares

[unwnd]

Abu is scum I guess

This is why I had a feeling you were town tbh

[unwnd]

Aye. There isn't shit happening. Weh isn't even trying to defend herself. Not to make that the entire argument as to why she should die but I digress. This doesn't need to go to deadline.

[unwnd]

My GiF read could be shortsighted if Weh is green

[unwnd]

I'm still pretty iffy on both pops and dns being town

I felt this way for a while but nothing to confirm it

[unwnd]

I wish I followed my own advice on the practicality of 'lynching for information.' It's always bunk and I feel like I learned nothing on Weh's green flip.

[unwnd]

I very much doubt a tailor exists but I wish I could entertain your thinking just to feel less bad about being wrong. Part of me wants to default onto Abu

[unwnd]

Oh well, at least I can update my avatar to Sovereign from Etrian Odyssey. Because I play Video Games and I like that game. An avatar represents the person I am and Etrian Odyssey is a Video Game I like. You can tell I like this game because of the avatar I chose. My personality includes picking avatars that represent my interests (such as Video Games) and playing Mafia.

[unwnd]

I really want some feedback from other than Pops, not that I don't mind but it's also like

Wya? I really am questioning my GiF read (even if it's no longer GiF) rn based on what happened

[unwnd]

Honestly because I feel I solve better having people around me trying to converse instead of forcing everyone to try and communicate

Actual leadership is not my strong suit, I'm more about pitching ideas or mulling to myself and sometimes interjecting with paragraphs that nobody will read.

[unwnd]

You could just be softening me up as Abu's partner rn....

[unwnd]

unwnd visited Dunnstral last night

Noticeably, you do not appear to be confirmed town, and I don't know what this visit is.

Do you think an anti-town role intentionally announces who they visit

[unwnd]

unwnd visited Dunnstral last night

Noticeably, you do not appear to be confirmed town, and I don't know what this visit is.

Do you think an anti-town role intentionally announces who they visit

Maybe, maybe not. I don't know what your ability is so I can't comment

I'd rather not make it an issue unless people other than you start prodding about it, yes I made a fib but the way my role works it wasn't entirely a lie

[unwnd]

That was very good TSE thank you

[unwnd]

So because we essentially were put into a situation that I believe brings us close to mylo I'm just gonna outright claim that my ability I got was a doctor, and I protected Dunn last night. Maybe this isn't some huge revelation but I'd like to cooperate with all willing townies

[unwnd]

*loud visitor

Why did you say you could confirm yourself town?

If you're actually town doctor, that's game throw behavior. You would be baiting the nightkill onto a slot you know isn't protected when you could have a nokill night if Dunnstral baits the kill instead

I looked at it like scum didn't care that I was (Innocent Child) given I've been wrong about two lynches now. I'm also frustrated

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I get agitated as PR especially and usually default to 'well I'll just claim my role if people aren't giving me what I want' which can mean a multitude of things. I've been reserving my frustration and trying to assess things calmly, but even if I'm not exactly being vulgar to you fine people inside my mind it is quite the opposite.

[unwnd]

I really need people to stop playing de-facto with their reads. Doing that has caused us to mislynch two townies for no good reason. I attest to what I said at the start of the day honestly. I give this game a lot of secondary thought when I'm like, not actually looking at the thread. A lot of the times I had a sinking feeling of being wrong but I eventually just tell myself 'well yknow whatever not my problem town playing bad' and that's a very vain conclusion. I realize to defend my own shortcomings it is easy to blame others. I sit here and think 'what can I do to make town work more like a unit?' but then I also say 'well I don't have the audacity/charisma to make people listen to me as apparent by people shrugging off the rest of my peptalks in this game haha' and we're back to square one of me being really nervous/unsure.

It's a selfish desire, really. I cannot solve a game by just looking at it. I can't start to form conclusions watching others speak up in ways that aren't cumulative. Meaning, I can't vibe with Abu coming in here for example saying 'y'all suck' around last EoD and then parking his vote on TSE for no strong reason. Hipfire reads are great D1 but it's D4 and one of our own decided it was a good idea to get himself modkilled. I need more. I dislike Dunn's style of playing sometimes because it is that frustratingly null type where you only lead on by who you're voting, luckily for him I happen to agree with Abu being scum and I have a feeling that DNS prob knew Dunn was town. Not my biggest point here but the rest of you are kinda just like giving me the bare minimum.

Yet? I don't want that. I don't want to be policing the thread like it's my fucking job. I'd love to come in here and see people talking about

something

. I don't care what. Maybe people will talk about my claim and that can be a starting point. I don't think it's honestly good townplay to act like an advisor or be like 'OK guys, time to scumhunt!' This is my raw opinion on current states and my explanation for my behavior up until this point.

[unwnd]

*loud visitor

Why did you say you could confirm yourself town?

If you're actually town doctor, that's game throw behavior. You would be baiting the nightkill onto a slot you know isn't protected when you could have a nokill night if Dunnstral baits the kill instead

If this bothers you more intensely than I think then here's a further explanation:

It's because I didn't think I would be killed at all like I said haha. Two of these mislynches are pretty much spearheaded by me yeah? Not gonna say I was the first there but I gave my blessings to them and I don't think scum are particularly shitting themselves over a townie being wrong. It also leads into my point about the whole frustration. My decision wasn't something I meditated on, it was very impulsive and likely stupid.

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This game has a lot of the players I would try not to queue with, yeah.

I think it is good townplay to coerce people into playing the game. When you have to do it too much it makes you start building a grey list and paying attention to it more.. to be honest. This is a qualitatively different playerlist than Starry Night, for sure.

I think it's OK once or twice but I got to the point where I basically felt like that reminder I tried to put out became like a routine. Check thread oh look nobody really posting. Should I post my reminder or some paragraph nobody will read? IDK I tried like twice didn't seem to change much. I hold some unhealthy pessimism and that seeps into my actual personality so often when my (self-righteous) efforts are overlooked or it seems like nobody is paying attention I get defeated and then I eventually just go 'well whatever happens happens'

I don't really know if talking about this is even helpful honestly.

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ngl I kind of still feel like the doctor thing might be a scumclaim, but also NaCl's fear of killing what few active players this game has is kind of echoing with me.

I get it's just me defending myself but I really don't see where a scum thinks it's a good idea to claim innocent child -> doctor after TSE got himself modkilled. I can see it like 'well he's just capitalizing on his fakeclaim to seem believable' but like..yes I am doing that but I'm just town does that make sense?

Deb, Abu, Dunn, tris, and sheep are all people who just post what their read is and that's about it, usually not much more.

Yes and it's getting to me lol

[unwnd]

Well innocent child -> innocent child is not a great option for scum!unwnd. Attempts to convince MariaR to confirm scum!unwnd town in thread would result in a similar fate to TSE's

No it's not. I was just thinking I didn't get my reasoning across exactly because I get how it's scummy to fakeclaim and especially in the manner I did. I guess what I want to win out in the end is the idea of my overall presence and capability to towntell to make up for shoddy decisions.

[unwnd]

i'm always open to questions about my reads. sometimes i'll have a lot of thoughts in my head some of them contradictory, and i'm not sure what exactly to talk about, so questions can help me focus my thoughts.

If you have any thoughts that you've been reserving due to the feeling of them like I dunno seeming dumb/fleeting then know I wanna hear it. Can that pose as a question? It did now see what I did there

[unwnd]

i guess i'll just say a little more on each player.

sheep:

I don't like how all he's been doing is saying he scumreads me. something about it reminds me of when scum has scumread me in the past.

nacl:

i'm still unsure on this. i don't think i'm very good at reading him. somethings he says seem like they might come from town, but i also felt that way in haunted town where he was scum. there's also some statements that seem a little off to me, but that might just come from a different perspective as a player.

AbuHumaid:

hasn't really been doing much. maybe just scum by poe.

pops:

I townread her earlier in the game, but i've been getting the feeling lately that she hasn't really been pushing a town agenda. i don't find much reason to townread her

unwnd:

you keep having posts that feel like they come from town. usually when there's a player i feel this way about, they're town. and this claiming business doesn't seem scum motivated.

dunn:

i remember townreading some stuff from day 1 which i'll have to go look at again. and also like you, i'm trusting DNS's read a bit.

DEB:

i've read a game that had scum!DEB. there, he basically didn't do anything. here, he's actually has SOME opinion (even though it's wrong).

Yeah, I'm worried about

sheep

too. I've been worried about him. The presence he had at the start of his replacement does not nearly stack up to what he is doing now. We have different reference but if he's going to scumread you I don't know why he tries to I dunno, develop it? I would really love to see that more. Do you think Sheep acting the way is indicative of scum or an apathetic townie that doesn't know what to do? This is slightly rhetorical. I think being apathetic has worked well for scum and it's definitely their agenda right now as town is willingly creating the environment to do so. I think the conclusions he makes are essentially uh, not there and if it's a motivation factor then yeah time to speak up or else I'm gonna agree something's up.

NAcL

is a curious case, one I've even talked about it in some form. I think what I felt still remains true, if anything it's been heightened. He's always exhibiting right-time-right-moment behavior where he picks and chooses where he interacts with the thread. I appreciate that he isn't just firing off reads into the ether but at the same time is what he's saying ultimately changing anything? With himself? With others? I don't really think so. I think it's different to say what you're thinking and just saying things just to well, say stuff. I feel like he's just saying stuff to put it simply. I appreciate the thoughts but if they're being made with no goal in mind it lacks town motive. Even if the most braindead and incoherent town

TSE

say things that mean something to them. The reason that I feel it means nothing because it's kinda like he presents his opinions but then they don't come to anything else. I'm certain he's responded to me and I ignored it, but I dunno if me confronting NAcL will do anything though, I would just prefer if he didn't have to be confronted at all yknow? The fact he does to merit more than just a bullet list of opinions he's been giving throughout has me weary.

Abu

is probably just scum. Not gonna bother explaining why it should be obvious to anyone. I think nobody disagrees but perhaps we've been giving his mates a liability to be like 'well he's so obvious so let's try and weed out the other mates' but we're here now and I'm totally fine with lynching him. I can't see this game ever existing where he isn't scum.

I agree with you about

Pops

. I have no reason to townread her anymore and that's unfortunate given her honest effort to like I dunno, be something more than the types I've described earlier. I empathetically townread it but rn I'm looking at it like..what is Pops achieving as well? I townread her strange behavior earlier but now that Weh flipped green I'm just wondering what the next course of action is for her, and seeing Weh flip green makes me look at the previous day a bit differently. I like when people are sure about their scumreads but there really was no flexibility. There hasn't been any flexibility. I find myself concluding a lot of behavior similar to others I have problems with but then it turns into the idea that town really is just that deflated. I like that Pops tries to respond to me or even consider what I'm saying, it's cool to some sort of feedback. I wouldn't mind being on the listening end however if she does happen to be town though.

unwnd

is just stupid and bad!

Dunn

probably town I just wish he didn't scumread me cause I have a pet peeve about players who play like Dunn scumreading me because there is no exact reasoning with them on a fundamental level of talking it out it's just like ok make up your mind.

DEB

I really don't know lol. I need more. I neeeeed moreeee.

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In a perfect world the town is Me Pops Tris Dunn BDE with Abu Sheep and naCL as the scumteam. I would love for this world to exist honestly, I just dunno if it exactly does. I think I'm wrong on one of my townreads. I definitely think if we can't think of anything better lynching any kind of red would be great so Abu is a safety lynch regardless.

You know, I had the thought earlier that not all scum could be lurkers but really this game is just pereptual lurking from both sides so I don't really blame 'em but also again makes it hard to determine whos lurkscum and lurktown, so for the town that are still out there I need you to differentiate yourself from scum so that we can possibly win this game !!!

[unwnd]

Tris is the only person left to claim at this point. Inconsequential post by me

[unwnd]

I have to give it to everyone here: we have someone managed to bore scum to the point they practically outed themselves by submission. I don't buy NaCL's claim, it makes no sense and really serves 0 purpose especially with how Dunn/DNS neighborhood worked. Abu is begging to be lynched, and then I think tris is being truthful wrt her claim.

[unwnd]

@Pops

I was a fruit vendor. Initially, when I visit someone it is announced in the thread. Pretty much what happened today only now my effect of visiting someone is a means of protection.

Claims

Unwnd - Fruit Vendor / Announce Doctor
Tris - Even night watcher
Dunn - Half of Masonry with DNS (One-shot vigilante)
NAcL - PT Cop
Pops - VT
Abu - VT
Sheep - VT
DEB - VT

--

Dead

Shadoweh - Target Investigator
TSE - Role Blocker

[unwnd]

EZ Bake's target is sheep btw

I feel this is slightly important for angle-shooty reasons but won't talk about it much besides a footnote. I feel like Weh was effectively our cop this game in that I theorize that scum members cannot be targets of each other, so if EZ Bake/Sheep had a scum in there it could effectively clear the other?

[unwnd]

I guess PT Cop counts as a informant of scum as well so maybe you're right. Abu is definitely the easiest lynch here.

[unwnd]

So from what I understand Pops made a conclusion that tris is prob lying and naCL is town for PR reasons and like

I would like to see other formulative thoughts from others

[unwnd]

I see no lack of indecision when it comes to who we lynch to get a red today, but I do like the idea of maybe setting it up a plan of sorts for selfish reasons. Abu flips red 99.9% of the time this game, and then yeah Sheep is a pocket as well. The PR claims are tripping me up and I would like to see what results can possibly come from them thus further backing my reason for lynching in Sheep/Abu.

VOTE: AbuHumaid

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Random:
What kind of game is your avatar from unwnd? Is it a jrpg?

I answered earlier, it's from Etrian Odyssey

[unwnd]

Lmao why would town self-hammer tris vote was L-1

[unwnd]

Oh nvm NaCl was 5

Math not my Forte

Sad about this game regardless of outcome

[unwnd]

I was right about sheep and NaCL but alas

imbad

[unwnd]

This was honestly sorta kinda frustrating but I'm not gonna sit here and try to put my blame onto others given I was the one who voted Abu but once I have the time I might write some more paragraphs nobody will read

[unwnd]

I will read them unwnd you're my favorite

Why are you still buddying me the game is over????

[unwnd]

Shoutouts to MariaR for letting me join her game so I can collectively ruin it

BRB gonna put a dunce hat on my picture

[unwnd]

Can you show the logs of Claire laughing at me too

Cannot find the delete function on my new 60% keyboard so the dunce hat will have to wait

[unwnd]

I mean the game was pretty dead so I don't blame you

[unwnd]

The biggest thing I learned from this game is that I would be a terrible camp counselor