Big Four Mafia! Game Over!

[jjh927]

Disperse wagon

[jjh927]

I saw that a jjba memer was replacing out and thought I'd replace in so that we could uphold conservation of jjba memes

[jjh927]

I probably need to read the game before I do anything though

[jjh927]

Not very caught up but lynching or vigging Flub would probably be very silly

[jjh927]

I'll give very strong odds on that being a trueclaim that can only come from town

Scum odd-night commuter wouldn't claim miller commuter when they're already gonna be immune from investigations half the nights anyway

[jjh927]

What has Flubber done that actually makes you think he's scum?

[jjh927]

You played with Flub before?

[jjh927]

This is probably a good time for me to catch up properly

Was hoping something would happen to occupy me in the present but having a few townreads is a good start

[jjh927]

Also wtf is 905

[jjh927]

What makes you not trust Flubbernugget's claim and does me waving around my track record for determining whether someone is fakeclaiming influence you at all

[jjh927]

I have high confidence that it's a trueclaim and have identified the strongest reason for this.

I'll give very strong odds on that being a trueclaim that can only come from town

Scum odd-night commuter wouldn't claim miller commuter when they're already gonna be immune from investigations half the nights anyway

What specifically makes you not trust the claim

[jjh927]

Come on and argue; you're supposed to occupy me with new posts whenever I get bored with catching up

[jjh927]

How do you feel about Blatant Scum RN, Pisskop

[jjh927]

I think the main wagons we've had going lately have been shit and as I'm catching up I'm finding the journey has been a bit shit too

[jjh927]

Ah I see you also thought Blatant Scum was a shitty vote on you

[jjh927]

Okay I'm caught up so I'm gonna do something else now

[jjh927]

VOTE: Blatant Scum

[jjh927]

Although I'd like to see who Gyro's replacement ends up being and talk to them a bit before we actually go anywhere with this

I think I want to talk about something with Doctor Drew at some point but I don't really have something to talk about rn

[jjh927]

I sure hope so

[jjh927]

Your pisskop vote kinda reeks of opportunism

[jjh927]

I think it's weird af that you argued against one lynch by comparing it to a PL, then argued for another one as a PL

Not really sure what you stood to gain out of it, but it's definitely weird

[jjh927]

Do you have any actual scumreads

[jjh927]

Also nobody in this game is PL-worthy

[jjh927]

"Actual" is used here to put emphasis on the fact that while you are voting pisskop, you do not appear to scumread him

[jjh927]

I'm interested in who you actually think is scum and why you are voting pisskop rather than one of those people

[jjh927]

"Actual" is used here to put emphasis on the fact that while you are voting pisskop, you do not appear to scumread him

Is that a problem?

Kinda yeah

I'd like to assume someone who was actively scumhunting would have a better lead at this point than a policy lynch on someone who is probably town by play that you don't even seem to agree with conceptually

Another assumption is that town actively scumhunt while scum pretend to scumhunt

Thus, you trying to be involved in the discussion in a way that poorly masks that you are not scumhunting, while throwing in a reason for your vote on a wagon that is probably a mislynch, makes me think you're scum

[jjh927]

I was talking about your vote on Pisskop


Emperor was 100% a mislynch from my perspective which actually works in your favour because you were shifting pressure off my slot in a way I can't really see a reason for you to do as scum. It's the main reason this discussion right now is a nice conversational tone while I try and affirm my read on you rather than a hard 1v1

[jjh927]

High pressure isn't the only useful kind of pressure

[jjh927]

Do you have any thoughts on Doctor Drew? Anything that stood out to you at any point?

[jjh927]

I wasn't actually saying anything personally either way

I just wanted to know whether or not you had any thoughts on that particular player within this game

[jjh927]

Yeah this doesn't make it very easy for me to engage with you

Can you talk at all about Gamma Emerald, TSE, or Looker?

[jjh927]

jjh, do you have anything to say about the other people on pisskop's wagon? Including me obviously.

I thought you might be scum until partway through catching up but after a certain point (can't remember where but could probably find it in your iso if needed) you were more of a townlean
I townread Yurkin from quite early on in my catchup and that didn't waver at all

[jjh927]

Yoda looks towny
Gamma deserves a fairly long description for not much conclusion. He's jumping to conclusions I can understand him making but I don't remember seeing his scumgame so I'd rather not lean on meta too much there and the conclusions are kinda shit. I'd like it if maybe he'd put some stock in my lie detecting rather than continuing to vote Flubber, especially after that upick he technically modded, but I'm not entirely convinced he read the game
Doctor Drew I really need to place properly either by talking to someone else about him or to him about someone else but I need to be in the right mood for either

[jjh927]

Yoda looks towny
Gamma deserves a fairly long description for not much conclusion. He's jumping to conclusions I can understand him making but I don't remember seeing his scumgame so I'd rather not lean on meta too much there and the conclusions are kinda shit. I'd like it if maybe he'd put some stock in my lie detecting rather than continuing to vote Flubber, especially after that upick he technically modded, but I'm not entirely convinced he read the game
Doctor Drew I really need to place properly either by talking to someone else about him or to him about someone else but I need to be in the right mood for either

You have been wishy washy about me.

What do you mean about 'the right mood'?

I wouldn't say being wishy washy is a bad thing. I'm just being quite blunt about not having much of a stance on you.

By the right mood I mean when I'm really feeling like playing some mafia and conversing with whoever happens to exist to get my thoughts in order. It would probably be easier if this game was higher engagement overall because it's difficult to really go at it when other people aren't. When I actually caught up might have been one of them but nobody was there to talk to me

You just strike me as the kind of player that I'll need to place by close examination of your thought process rather than anything else

[jjh927]

There is no such thing as being too scummy to be scum

[jjh927]

I'm acknowledging people who asked things of me now but will probably get around to actually answering shit in a number of hours

[jjh927]

Apologies but I've been having a mysterious allergic reaction over the last 24 hours

Gonna get on to answering those questions now when I find them again

[jjh927]

Yoda looks towny
Gamma deserves a fairly long description for not much conclusion. He's jumping to conclusions I can understand him making but I don't remember seeing his scumgame so I'd rather not lean on meta too much there and the conclusions are kinda shit. I'd like it if maybe he'd put some stock in my lie detecting rather than continuing to vote Flubber, especially after that upick he technically modded, but I'm not entirely convinced he read the game
Doctor Drew I really need to place properly either by talking to someone else about him or to him about someone else but I need to be in the right mood for either

Talk about Yoda pls

Yoda seems like a pretty simple person to me and thus should be easy to gutread. I saw two instances which comprise of what I think is genuine thought process for placing people, and that was enough for me before his most recent vote on Titus which kinda sucks tbh but that happened after you asked me

[jjh927]

What's the best argument on Blatant Scum currently?

I know I intended to respond to this because I need to outline some shit with Blatant Scum here. Apologies for the wordiness;

The guy has taken two directly contrasting stances- he did some shit I considered scummy then asked why those actions were scummy, doubling down on having done them, and then stated he was too scummy to be scum. In doing so, he was not only accepting that those things that he did were scummy, but also propagating the fallacy he was trying to get people to believe when he doubled down on his scummy shit by asking why it was scummy to do it. I think it helps the case here that, as Egix said, this is exactly the kind of shit I'd expect someone who called their account "Blatant Scum" to pull.

[jjh927]

So is it that you're saying that scum wouldn't be cautious enough to build protection from the other half of night investigations?

But otherwise the claim itself just doesn't come from scum. A scum commuter could get away with not claiming anything at all there. In terms of how lies are crafted, the main decision for scum would be whether or not to claim the commuter aspect, and it would take a particularly inspired individual to append a miller claim to it. I do not think Flubbernugget is such an individual.

[jjh927]

I think that was it but tell me if I missed one

[jjh927]

Kinda, you got anything you want to bounce off of me or any gripes with anything I just said? I'm a little too itchy and tired to really lead conversation atm

[jjh927]

Didn't look like a discredit to me
Although I say that as someone that doesn't see an inherent issue with discrediting in general. As an example, in this case, while scum!gamma would benefit from discrediting a list with scum!gamma on it, town!gamma would know for a fact that part of the list was wrong.

I was flipflopping on Gamma as well but he swung the scales hard towards town a few pages ago

[jjh927]

Page 41 specifically

Obviously I like Blatant Scum voters right now but what really did it was asking me about Yoda.

[jjh927]

That's what I mean, yeah

[jjh927]

But I don't even think it applies in this case because it doesn't really look like a discredit, more like he's actually trying to dig a little into where the reads are coming from

Like, are they genuine "gutreads", or have they been fabricated by scum with purpose

[jjh927]

Uhhh I just did?

BS is

Spoiler:

Bull Shit

Went back to 41......ooh boy TSE looks bad as well there.

Yeah TSE is defo a scumlean for me. On my list of people I'd like to go in depth on at some point but not sure what the best angle is there yet

[jjh927]

The BS vote might be a clumsy bus

[jjh927]

This discussion is about more than your reads

[jjh927]

Although about your reads- why do you think Gamma is sus as hell

[jjh927]

Sorry, sus as shit. I misremembered

[jjh927]

I don't really want a full logical readslist

Right now I'm interested specifically in what parts of Gamma's iso pinged you

[jjh927]

Your scumreads were someone I am very confident is town because of a claim but other people still seem willing to lynch, as well as two people that I think a good portion of the game were unsure about (or maybe I am projecting a bit)- one of whom I currently townread. I'm a little concerned that you could have been trying to figure out where people stood on potential mislynch candidates that you could try to pivot to, but only a little. Some discussion about your gut feelings towards Gamma will probably alleviate that if they are legitimate

[jjh927]

Alright
What do you make of JV’s null read on Yoda based on your own ideas?

Hadn't really read into that at all

But you might be on to something there because it's kinda weird if he claims those reads were gut but he isn't sure how to read someone who seems the type to be easily gutreadable. It's not damning though and I don't think it's that important a part of the readslist to be focusing on

[jjh927]

UNVOTE:

[jjh927]

I may know nothing about metal

but I know the terms "lead guitar" and "rhythm guitar"

[jjh927]

I now know slightly more about metal

VOTE: Jackson Virgo

[jjh927]

Megadeth has two guitarists

One of them was the original lead guitarist of metallica and the other is the guy that BS claimed

[jjh927]

Also ffs don't lynch Flub he's town

[jjh927]

When I start looking at past members my vote starts to look a bit stupid but the point about only having one guitarist looks even more stupid

[jjh927]

I've had an idea but I probably shouldn't bring it up

[jjh927]

UNVOTE:

[jjh927]

I was considering that this might be a shitty way for JV to be counterclaiming the doctor claim without claiming doctor

[jjh927]

I think it's interesting you're claiming a past guitarist though when BS claimed a current one

[jjh927]

Titus did vote Flubb

It's me who's vocally against it because I am confident he trueclaimed

[jjh927]

Yeah but I just checked and there are 17 players in this game and 17 total current members of big four

[jjh927]

I think it's interesting you're claiming a past guitarist though when BS claimed a current one

What's this supposed to mean outside of throwing shade onto me

It's entirely shade

I'm doing a bit of setup spec and trying to figure out why you would think that having a past guitarist would mean you counterclaim a current one

[jjh927]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

[jjh927]

There is literally no way that this game wasn't designed to be 17p because of the 17 current members

[jjh927]

I feel like I'm mostly trying to figure out whether JV is sincere in thinking he counterclaims BS

[jjh927]

Oh are we gonna do the thing where we assume the game can be solved by flavor claims? That always works out well.

Exactly, it's stupid

I haven't seen you unvote

Why is this bad but not your thing

[jjh927]

20 hours till deadline.....gotta do something.

Pre Edit: You are starting to sound a bit sus jjh.

Pre Edit 2: Seems natural to counter claim a Megadeth guitarist with and other Megadeth guitarist..... especially if you are not familiar with the band.

Pre Edit 3: jjh, you are either wildly misguided.....or protecting someone.......going with the latter.

VOTE: Flubb

Would be fine with jjh as well.

Wrt 2, I think he can google before he tries to lynch a doctor claim

[jjh927]

Marty Friedman, Guitarist of Megadeth from 1990-2000. Luthier

It seems you were told he wasn't the guitarist of megadeth any more

[jjh927]

UNVOTE:

Probably enough of this tbh

JV can be town

PEdit: I'm pushing on you because I want to see whether or not the flavour argument that you made comes from a real mindset

[jjh927]

Yeah I think it does on a reread too

Now, actual important setup flavoury shit incoming

[jjh927]

I do not think there is anything to be gained from flavour in this game as:
1. Scum were almost certainly given fakeclaims, and at least 4 past members must have been included in the overall lineup either as role PMs or fakeclaims. It is unlikely that scum were all handed past members as fakeclaims because that would be obvious as fuck.
2. I don't think flavour is gonna help determine whether people are trueclaiming roles at all.

PEdit: role in the band is 100% flavour

[jjh927]

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

VOTE: jjh927

HOW DARE YOU VOTE TOWN!

Okay you can fuck off

[jjh927]

JV, I think you're probably misinterpreting your own role

[jjh927]

There are bands with multiple of the same thing in the current lineup

Also remember, 17 players to 17 band members

[jjh927]

Here's an example
Anthrax has 5 members
Rhythm guitarist (and additional lead vocalist)
Drummer
Bass
Vocalist
Lead Guitarist

That's two guitarists and some overlap on the vocals

[jjh927]

Yeah flavour cops exist

[jjh927]

Here's to yet another fine moment of correcting someone on the mechanics of their own role PM

[jjh927]

It's cool

You know what

VOTE: Lavender

[jjh927]

Yeah and it's a wagon which isn't on any of my strongest townreads

They call it compromising

[jjh927]

Fwiw JV is locktown now

[jjh927]

It means jj probably has good scum game

The good parts of my one good scumgame happened post-death

If you want to make statements that sound like meta then meta me first or ask someone familiar with my play

[jjh927]

Give me one good reason why I should trust you.

You should trust pisskop because if you read through his iso you should be able to see he is town

[jjh927]

PK, I still don't really see Yurkin scum but I could do Looker

Can you elaborate on your Yurkin read?

[jjh927]

Also if you're concerned about resistance to the Pisskop wagon then

hi

[jjh927]

Like, you don't have to veil it

I started two wagons for this shit

[jjh927]

Are you pushing pisskop because it's easy to do and you don't have to commit to saying anything about the resistance to the wagon other than that it was there and you think you'll get people joining the wagon for policy reasons?

[jjh927]

Do you still scumread Flub?

[jjh927]

I'd give an in-depth analysis but rn I'm too busy asking you questions aggressively

[jjh927]

Okay so how do your claims about resistance stack up with both wagons existing simultaneously

[jjh927]

Never voting Pisskop

Need to decide if I'm voting Alch for this shit

[jjh927]

Quick question.
From which instruments a metal band is usually formed?

Bases on my looking into flavour, 1-2 guitarists, 1-2 vocalists, 1 drummer, 1 bassist. Vocalists are often something else as well.

[jjh927]

Just woke up. Had a busy day yesterday and went to bed early

[jjh927]

I don't think scum!Alch forces masons to claim there because while it's ostensibly a bad thing I don't think scum actually could have gained anything out of it?

[jjh927]

I made that wagon on Lavender because at least 2 of my townreads who I was talking to at the time wanted to lynch there but weren't gonna start the wagon and if someone hadn't done what I did we'd have been lynching Pisskop or Flubbernugget. I could see scum!Lavender, whereas I was and still am confident that both Pisskop and Flubbernugget are town.

PEdit: Whut

[jjh927]

Titus, Pisskop did everything but claiming the masonry, then claimed the masonry

[jjh927]

She literally just confirmed it

[jjh927]

Wait what
How many damn claims do we have
I have not really been reading today btw

Off the top of my head, and I think in order of claiming:

Flub is miller odd night commuter
JV is flavour cop
Lavender is confirmed treestump after getting lynched and flipping
TSE is tracker
Titus and Pisskop are masons
Alchemist is PT cop




This isn't a lot of claims

[jjh927]

Oh, and Yurkin is a double voter

[jjh927]

Also Crimson claimed he was informed of a vanillaizer before dying which may or may not have been all his info

[jjh927]

Btw has Lavender done stuff after being stumped

I don't think so, why?

[jjh927]

:O

so many claims. Stumped Lavander flipped a color, right?

Yes Lavender is conftown

[jjh927]

See, I just asked "Why?" rather than leading into it

because there might have been a dumbtell in there that could have helped place Gamma

[jjh927]

Oh, and Yurkin is a double voter

I suspect mechanically lurking might be scum

Yurkin hasn't posted yet in this phase but I can absolutely see scum!Yurkin based on eod1

[jjh927]

I think there's pretty strong scum motivation in watching the votes on Lavender unfold from off the wagon and then shading me, the guy who started said wagon, with the only commentary on said wagon at the time being happy that the day is over.

[jjh927]

Speak of the devil

[jjh927]

Btw I've been vanillized

Prove it

[jjh927]

IDC who you vote but you better be voting someone before the next votecount

[jjh927]

I know we haven't played together. But the statement sounded like meta even though it couldn't be

[jjh927]

Tbh I obviously don't think you'd lie about not being a double voter anymore because that would be moronic

[jjh927]

Still wanna see you vote though

[jjh927]

So crimson flipped scum if I understood correctly he was wagon during D1 gotta check back

[jjh927]

VOTE: TSE

[jjh927]

It's not a full flavour cop

Just flavour of what type of musician, eg guitarist

[jjh927]

Yeah, he claimed PT cop

[jjh927]

Private topic cop

[jjh927]

I don't think anyone abbreviates parity cop to PT cop

But even then you probably could have figured it out with context

[jjh927]

Sure except for Pisskop being a mason

[jjh927]

I'm just gonna wait until you've properly caught up

You've been obvtowning nonstop since you showed up again but it's kinda useless because you're obvtowning by what you're doing with not having all the information and I'd rather just talk to you when you have all the information

[jjh927]

They definitely did

You can stop being curious now

[jjh927]

VOTE: very cool and not mafia

probably mafia

no way im mafia, i have an alibi

We aren't doing pisskop.

I have mod confirmation Pisskop is town.

If I am wrong or I missed one let me know, just gathering my thoughts as a replacement but the current claims are;
Flubbernugget - A miller that commutes on odd nights
TrueSoulEnergy + Titus - Masons
Yurkin - Doublevoter

Yes?

TSE and I are not masons.

What to be masons though? Uwu.

I'd love for you to be a mason. You must forever townread pisskop though.

oh? I'm happy to see you too Titus

[jjh927]

There's a role in the game which can turn people into VTs

[jjh927]

The existence of this role was either part of or the whole of Crimson's information from the informed role

[jjh927]

I am confident Flub was telling the truth

[jjh927]

And I should seriously be a sitewide authority on whether people are fakeclaiming or not by now

[jjh927]

Fuck me I missed that post

VOTE: BS

[jjh927]

The only headspaces that post can come from are ones where BS forgot he claimed doctor

[jjh927]

Try to consider the perspective BS should have there if he is indeed a doctor and he got confused into thinking Alchemist was a possible protective

Why wouldn't he assume that he was the one who protected his target and not Alchemist?

[jjh927]

This is already allowing for BS being ridiculous and assuming someone had to be protected and that Crimson was a vig

[jjh927]

This is already allowing for BS being ridiculous and assuming someone had to be protected and that Crimson was a vig kill

ebwop


This thought process starts actually lining up with something if Crimson actually was killed by a vig and the scumkill failed

[jjh927]

Try to consider the perspective BS should have there if he is indeed a doctor and he got confused into thinking Alchemist was a possible protective

Why wouldn't he assume that he was the one who protected his target and not Alchemist?

Wait did BS protect the same target?

Who knows

But jumping to the conclusion of a failed scumkill blocked by someone other than himself is 2 separate leaps of logic.
First, that it was someone other than him that blocked the kill.
Second, that the scumkill was blocked at all.

[jjh927]

Making those leaps without any reason to do so is absolutely batshit insane

But if he was scum and the scumkill failed then neither of those things would be leaps for him

[jjh927]

Yurkin, JV is locktown to me

[jjh927]

Reread pages 48-52

I don't think scum can fake something like that

[jjh927]

VOTE: TSE

[jjh927]

I think it's become more plausible again that BS is just insane

[jjh927]

By insane I mean that it does make sense for his thought process to come from someone who has no idea what they're talking about

[jjh927]

Probs TSE for wagon reasons

I’m legit Tracker who called out Alchemist visiting PK.
Who is claiming to have got a result on PK.

I believe all of those things but I don't believe that you're town because of them.

[jjh927]

There's a whole lot of good reasons for you to claim when you did as scum.

You claimed early and in a verifiable way so you could coast on your claim. The way that you did it ended up outing a masonry and a PT cop, in an outcome that would probably have been reasonably predictable beforehand aside from Alchemist's specific role.

[jjh927]

Want to steal my other Town reads too?

???????????????????????

?

[jjh927]

I don't think your clumsy attempts to pocket anyone worked but even if they had townreads don't qualify as intellectual property

[jjh927]

Probs TSE for wagon reasons

I’m legit Tracker who called out Alchemist visiting PK.
Who is claiming to have got a result on PK.

I believe all of those things but I don't believe that you're town because of them.

So I should just do nothing and allow mafia to potential Night Kill me the next night when Alchemist could possibly be scum?

Do you think you were more in danger of being nightkilled or lynched?

[jjh927]

I'd vote you but I'm already voting you

[jjh927]

You've doubled down on the idea that you would be nightkilled

I'd like to believe there's no way you've got that big an ego with the way you've been playing the game so far

[jjh927]

So like, this would be the point in the conversation where I vote you and never look back but I'm already voting you so it doesn't really add anything but I wanted to really emphasise that I can't really comprehend a world where you're not scum rn

[jjh927]

You've been talking bollocks all game. The limited number of things you've said that I agree with (eg town!JV) have contained nothing but unsubstantiated assertions that read like clumsy pocketing attempts and posturing, and yet when people such as myself come to the same conclusions with actual reasoning you shoot them down. Your tracker result claim no doubt only benefited scum, and I sincerely hope your expression of paranoia about being the nightkill is as fake as it reads for your own sake as an individual.

[jjh927]

[jjh927]

Would you be convinced if I experimented with video memes

[jjh927]

Gamma is much more worth the FoS imo.

Do you wanna talk about Gamma then?

[jjh927]

Presumably TSE would have had to be coached to out 3 prs if it was on purpose?

I think it's fairly predictable that Alch would be made to out
Not sure if outing the masonry was or really could be intentional

[jjh927]

Apologies about disappearing for a bit

Should be back now

[jjh927]

There really wasn’t much risk to what Blatant did

From my perspective it looks like there was no reward and only risk.

The details of the flavourcop just got outed, which means scum can play around it, when JV was specifically keeping them secret

[jjh927]

VOTE: jjh927

Ooh does this vote mean you're an alt of someone I know

[jjh927]

Ok that's fine

I'll just be reading from this point unless people think I need to know about soemthing that's already happened so might take me a while to get suspicions

Flubbernugget asked a replacement why the person they replaced voted someone.
Which is scummy AF.

No it's Flubby af

It doesn't achieve anything in terms of furthering either town or scum wincons and can only serve to antagonise somewhat. It's just Flub

[jjh927]

Wow fuck all happened while I was gone

[jjh927]

Oh that makes sense

[jjh927]

Oh that makes sense

Where are you from?

England

[jjh927]

Also my iso reminded me that jjh and I still need to chit chat if he wants.

No we did that and you're town

[jjh927]

Titus, Eve was JV who is locktown imo
And that's ignoring the fullclaim

[jjh927]

Then who else? Someone needs to take the blame for everything going on in this town

I'll take BS or TSE. I hover between BS being scum and just bad though

[jjh927]

What didn't you like about the Egix wagon that you now seem to like after seeing a vc

Because I didn't like it before and I don't like it now

[jjh927]

Titus, Eve was JV who is locktown imo
And that's ignoring the fullclaim

Yeah I don’t by that.
You didn’t start town reading JV until he claimed.

JV didn't fullclaim. Eve was the one who fullclaimed. It takes only a fairly basic level of comprehension to not immediately attack things I say

[jjh927]

Ooh okay shit's getting interesting

Are you gonna push or just naked vote

[jjh927]

Excuse me what

[jjh927]

I'll yield that my predecessor sucked but you might have to be specific with "this discussion" and how caught up on the game you are

[jjh927]

You ought to be familiar enough with my meta that if you're caught up to the end of day 1 you should know I'm town

[jjh927]

Ah okay keep reading and then join me on TSE when you get to the present

[jjh927]

You ought to be familiar enough with my meta that if you're caught up to the end of day 1 you should know I'm town

Oh yeah you pushed a mislynch?

Fuck knows tbh BS could still be scum

[jjh927]

In a very scummy way yes

[jjh927]

He claimed tracker to add fuel to the fire between Alchemist and Pisskop and get Alchemist to claim and also to coast on his tracker claim

[jjh927]

Okay if the quickfire shit's done I'm gonna go for a bit then

[jjh927]

I believe the tracker claim, yeah

[jjh927]

Looker

[jjh927]

That's a very conveniently timed votecount

VOTE: Looker

[jjh927]

That's a very conveniently timed votecount

VOTE: Looker

Welcome to my upcoming Day 3 to lynch list.

This is probably my MAIN problem with TSE, though it's far from the only one
He's not making any effort to actually scumhunt. He's visibly just making up reasons that he can scumread people for, eg the hard defending of JV nonsense or this thing where he's taking issue with the fact I'm no longer voting for him

[jjh927]

Ah okay keep reading and then join me on TSE when you get to the present

Why? He claimed tracker, didn't he?

In a very scummy way yes

He claimed tracker to add fuel to the fire between Alchemist and Pisskop and get Alchemist to claim and also to coast on his tracker claim

We have this, and yet you say...

I believe the tracker claim, yeah

Why?

Alch effectively confirmed it, other circumstantial things aside

Doesn't change the fact that what he did with being a tracker is scummy as hell

[jjh927]

The fact that JJH took their vote off of me makes me feel very uneasy of them as if they truly feel me to be scum they would have kept their vote on me.
As for Gamma. Some of his infractions and responses I felt to be very bad.
Maybe not directly scummy but leaning that direction.

You must know you're talking bullshit, right?

[jjh927]

My question is why would scum vanillaize a double voter?

[jjh927]

I mean I could probably claim without much, if any, negative game impact

but it is one of those roles I like to wait on so I can tell scum to eat shit later

[jjh927]

Massclaim at this stage feels like a major distraction from actual scumhunting though

[jjh927]

No, yes, maybe but only if you're trying to lynch my hard townreads instead

[jjh927]

No, yes, maybe but only if you're trying to lynch my hard townreads instead

Who are your hard town reads?

I thought I'd do a readslist but I'm struggling at the middle-lower section because I townread everyone who I don't scumread to some extent and I only have 3 scumreads. It feels a bit weird putting Gamma and Yoda in the same tier but it's all ordered left to right for extra nuance

Actual conftown tier - Egix96, pisskop, Titus,
Locktown - Eve, yurkin
Hard townreads - Flubbernugget, Doctor Drew, Alchemist
Townreads - Gamma Emerald, Creature, Yodavader
Scum - Looker, Blatant Scum, Chennisden

[jjh927]

VOTE: BS then

[jjh927]

VOTE: Creature

[jjh927]

I thought you scumread both Gamma and Doctor Drew

It's telling that you immediately take the claim as given when there's a PT cop and it's the same role that you claimed

[jjh927]

@mod: How are there competing wagons for TSE and Chennis?

Again, let's not talk about this lol replacements get me fucked up I guess.

[jjh927]

I have quite a lot of stuff I missed commenting on towards the end of day 2 to catch up on but I have a more important vote to cast today

[jjh927]

Okay

It's been a concerning couple of days and I've forgotten the gist of what I was gonna say but I'll reread stuff today

VOTE: Looker for now

[jjh927]

Can we not quickhammer even when probable scum L-1 themselves

Actually especially then

[jjh927]

Although while it feels icky there's nothing hugely wrong with it and Looker still hasn't claimed

[jjh927]

I am a hider. I should clarify this is the regular non-weak variety

[jjh927]

I think the hood was claimed day 2 as gamma and drew

[jjh927]

Find the towny

Doctor Drew
Chennisden
Blatant Scum
Creature
YodaVader

I think it's BS or Yoda and the other one is probably the vanillaiser

[jjh927]

Couldn't you say your targets

[jjh927]

Actually I haven't yet

TSE, Looker, nobody

[jjh927]

I think it's mechanically better here to have the targets of everyone claimed before tracker results