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[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think scum have given up

I wish stumps couldn't talk.

I'm fine with sheep today. I won't necessarily sheep dann if it flips red though. Psyche slot is underwhelming.

I'm still trying to parse this post and it looks scummier every time I look at it.

Which part, the part about him apparently dissing you or the part about his read on sheep/Psyche being good?

Like I can understand WHY you don’t like it but why you actually sr it, is a mystery to me.

there's the fact that I'm contributing much more than him but he feels the need to complain about my ability to talk, how he is "okay" with the easiest lynch of the day but doesn't dive in any deeper. Saying he won't sheep dann if the thing he's been pushing basically all game flips red (when he's basically been sheeping dann already anyway) and is basically just shading psyche.

It’s good he said he wouldn’t sheep Dann AT the SPECIFIC TIME he said it, because Dann wanted to lynch Gamma and please tell me why you’re townreading Psyche here?

I never said I was townreading psyche

Seems like you did to me
I might fetch the quotes indicating this

Just out of curiosity, why would you even bother? He’s a stump and has proven to not have great reads but if you’re going to “fetch quotes”, shouldn’t it be on the living players?

Another example of gamma trying to sort a dead slot lol. I already spoke my mind about another instance of it

It was one of the things that pinged me last night but the thread was already locked. But the sheep hard defending BS makes sense now, considering that

sheep’s entire reason for townlocking BS, was entirely based on his interaction with RC

.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I thought Pine was extremely scummy.

I'm confused because you and multiple other people attacked me for voting pine D1

It’s Gamma. Scum!sheep doesn’t go out on this kind of limb without a damn good reason. But he should have left it alone, because he pretty much confiscummed Gamma as his buddy by doing so. His tr on BS was just a TMI.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

UNVOTE:

[Pyrrha Nikos]

UNVOTE:

Okay, so my initial read on Gamma was right then. I don’t believe Gamma fakeclaims here.

So, then it’s probably Banaki?

What do you think, @Gamma?

Or would scum!sheep really townlock his buddy?

Maybe BS really did tell the truth when he posted that this was his scumgame?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@january, can you link me one of your town and scumgames?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

You seem pretty townie here but why couldn’t scum!you replicate that?

Now that we know Gamma’s town, @Dann you need to revaluate your reads.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

tmi isn't scummy necessarily it's just a playstyle
some people just put all their unfiltered thoughts in the thread

can't talk for banakai but 742 seems... fine? to me at least.
if i genuinely believed someone was scum but everyone else thought was town, i'd say something along those lines somewhat out of frustration. i've definitely done that in games before where it's like "this person seems like obvscum to me but everyone else says their town... do they have to continue leading mislynches before people realize they're town?"

pretend it's someone else and not you. it seems normal to me?

But I didn’t lead Ethos’ mislynch, just because I was first on the wagon and that post seems to be putting it mainly on me. No one else did that. I don’t accuse anyone of leading a mislynch, unless they actually hardpushed it - which is most likely what would have happened to Erhos, had I been the one stumped, because he was actually hardpushing for my mislynch but the reverse reality isn’t true, so Banaki pushing that narrative is strange but his sudden decline in activity after sheep became the lead wagon, is concerning me the most rn. His recent posting has been extremely underwhelming, like he’s suddenly lost all motivation to play. Granted, that last part is weak but why would sheep being the lead wagon have such an effect on his participation levels? And why did he have him as his strongest tr, considering he was the one who was hardest pushing for his lynch?

If I’m town!Banaki, sheep would definitely not be my #1 tr here.

I... think you need to reread day 1 if you want to claim that I efforted your lynch more than you did mine.

I voted you and thought you were scum, yes but I stopped far short of aggressively advocating a lynch on you. The real issue here, is Banaki failing to take responsibility for his part of it and blaming it on me.

I’m wondering if sheep hard defended BS for towncred later but unless he was trying to keep him around as a possible mislynch, it still sounds strange.

So clear now:

Pyrrha

Gamma

Dann
Penguin

———————————

So who is scum out of january/Banaki/BS?

Sheep tried to get a wagon on Banaki. townlocked BS but had Psyche in his POE but then he said, he needed “time to find a wolf”?

Okay, probably january. And he pushed two townies right out of the gate.

I remember I thought that was weird that he already had Psyche second to last in his PoE but still needed “time to find another wolf”.

But then Banaki hasn’t done shit recently, which looks really bad.

Happy most of my initial townblock wasn’t wrong. I need to not ignore my initial instincts. It’s so obvious Gamma’s town here, it’s just that sheep BS townlock based solely on RC, which confused me. Sorry Gamma. :/

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Maybe it's just BS. I could definitely point out multiple tonal differences from this game compared to basically any other game I've played w him

Please elaborate.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

That last paragraph is entirely NAI, hence at least part of the reason I’m suspicious of this.

it's fking intended to be NAI

i'm just commenting on your play and trying to say that you should base your reads less on meta

and you scumread me for saying something NAI? everyone's said something NAI and i don't think this makes me any more scummy than everyone else?

i get it if you don't like me criticizing your reads... if that's the problem i'll stop...
but don't say that my criticizing reads without making alignment conclusions is scummy because it sure as hell isn't

I’m bleeding obvtown here and yeah of course you pushing me, considering you’re lhf here, isn’t going to make me tr you. How do you not see this? Seriously?

eth0s scumreaded you. And he was town.

HEAL: BS
Cause Lord they about to hurt you

Wtf are you doing?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@january, can you link me one of your town and scumgames?

actually, january, do you have any recent completed scum games?

I feel pretty confident your slot is town but I still must pay my dues

nope sorry
this is my 2nd game on this site and the 1st was town

i'd like to think my towngame is pretty strong town and my scumgame a lot weaker? but nobody's would trust me when i say that lol

r.e.a.d. p.l.s.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=81110 is towngame

feel free to compare... but i don't think it'll get you that far tbh

I really need a scumgame to see if you can replicate your towngame.

I know it’s not me. Gamma claimed. Dann is never a sheep buddy and Penguin doesn’t seem scummy and sheep had both of them as nulls right?

So, it has to be between you, BS and Banaki. One of you 3 is probably scum.

I don’t think we should ignore the possibility that sheep was distancing Banaki but now that Gamma’s clear, his flailing over BS being sr. . . . I dunno. He definitely didn’t want him lynched for whatever reason.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Maybe it's just BS. I could definitely point out multiple tonal differences from this game compared to basically any other game I've played w him

Please elaborate.

I touched on it earlier when I said it seems like he's laying his "scum persona" on thicker than usual. I've played... idk 3 or 4games with him? And he was town every time. Read 1 or 2 games with him in it where he was town both times. I dont know his scum meta but his start consisted of meme-ing up his scumminess and he's since fallen. into the shadows more than I've seen from him in other games. I'm on my phone and despise trying to multi quote on it so I'll try to elaborate soon

He linked THIS game, so I’m assuming he doesn’t have any scum meta. I couldn’t find any completed scumgames, I checked.

But with Gamma clear, I really can’t think of anything else that makes sense. Scum!sheep doesn’t go out on a limb to save town for no reason. And it didn’t look to me like I want to save BS for towncred look either because when you’re scum trying to get towncred, you don’t actually prevent the lynch unless maybe if you’re RC.

And scum!sheep is terrified of town!RC and I totally wouldn’t put it past him to hatch such a plan with BS.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yes sorry for not posting much I have a lot going on

tbh I completely didn't expect sheep to be scum and wouldn't have been on the wagon (I wasn't there for it anyway)

I was actually thinking this gives pyrrha some credibility because I believe she was going for sheep pretty hard but now im not sure

she really seems to be squirming today cause of january

VOTE: pyrrha

ill admit i could go over her iso a little better and probably will. but I don't like how she looks today.

I promised to be nice but I mean Jesus, even Ethos can tell I’m town now. I was thinking it was BS, so thanks for messing that up.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Gamma, Ethos, january? Does Banaki look like a WOAT here or scum?

He was off sheep wagon entirely and suddenly he votes me? If you hardtown read me for sheep wagon and you tr him, why didn’t you post anything?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Gamma, Ethos, january? Does Banaki look like a WOAT here or scum?

He was off sheep wagon entirely and suddenly he votes me? If you hardtown read me for sheep wagon and you tr him, why didn’t you post anything?

Why did you not try and stop sheep wagon if you tr him?

We are not mislynching me and if you’re town here, start finding scum, if it’s not you!

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Besides, I’m town for my other wonderful personality traits that have shown this game

Stop being mad because I was wrong on you.

I'm not mad, you slot is literally being overlooked by everyone constantly and I'm wondering what they know that I don't

Scum!Penguin tries to coast. He never takes hard stances on anything. Excalibur would be a great example of Penguin scum, where as Last Night Tomorrow is typical Penguin town.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

Good.

Doused Dann N1 and Pyrrha N2.

Are you conceding?

VOTE: Blatant Scum

Like this is way too much.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

Good.

Doused Dann N1 and Pyrrha N2.

Are you conceding?

VOTE: Blatant Scum

Like this is way too much.

UNVOTE:

You’re CCing Gamma?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

Good.

Doused Dann N1 and Pyrrha N2.

Are you conceding?

VOTE: Blatant Scum

Like this is way too much.

UNVOTE:

You’re CCing Gamma?

@Gamma, your response to this?

I don’t think BS is lying.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: Gamma

I believe BS’ CC.

Oh and Banaki: confirmed WOAT.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

Good.

Doused Dann N1 and Pyrrha N2.

Are you conceding?

VOTE: Blatant Scum

Like this is way too much.

UNVOTE:

You’re CCing Gamma?

@Gamma, your response to this?

I don’t think BS is lying.

This means that Dann probably can’t be ignited but I definitely can.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: Gamma

I believe BS’ CC.

Oh and Banaki: confirmed WOAT.

Both Gamma and BS claimed Firefighter

. One of them is lying and I don’t think it’s BS.

Game just became really simple.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: Gamma

I believe BS’ CC.

Oh and Banaki: confirmed WOAT.

Both Gamma and BS claimed Firefighter. One of them is lying

and I don’t think it’s BS.

Game just became really simple.

So now

everyone else, including WOAT Banaki is clear

.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

Good.

Doused Dann N1 and Pyrrha N2

.

Gamma claiming to target me over Dann N1 is sus, because no one was more obvtown than Dann D1. This reads more like, FF probably is probably saving Dann, so Pyrrha is likely ignitable.

Yeah, it’s Gamma. That fake Ff claim was pretty ballsy. Did you seriously not think you’d not get CC’d?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Pyrrha...

Prime a target for ignition by

dousing

them with gasoline.

Oh. UNVOTE:

So BS really is conceding?

VOTE: Blatant Scum

[Pyrrha Nikos]

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

Good.

Doused Dann N1 and Pyrrha N2.

Wow. 1283 really is a scumclaim.

That means that we’re not ignitable not that it matter now that game’s obviously solved.

Lynch BS, so we can end the game.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

Good.

Doused Dann N1 and Pyrrha N2.

Wow. 1283 really is a scumclaim.

That means that we’re not ignitable not that it matter now that game’s obviously solved.

Lynch BS, so we can end the game.

No, only Dann is ignitable.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yes sorry for not posting much I have a lot going on

tbh I completely didn't expect sheep to be scum and wouldn't have been on the wagon (I wasn't there for it anyway)

I was actually thinking this gives pyrrha some credibility because I believe she was going for sheep pretty hard but now im not sure

she really seems to be squirming today cause of january

VOTE: pyrrha

ill admit i could go over her iso a little better and probably will. but I don't like how she looks today.

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

Good.
Doused Dann N1 and Pyrrha N2.

Maybe it's just BS. I could definitely point out multiple tonal differences from this game compared to basically any other game I've played w him

Examples?

Seriously Banaki are you not actually reading here? BS just claimed scum.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

BS/Banakai

Don't care what order.

+1

I agree with this.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Scum!Penguin tries to coast. He never takes hard stances on anything. Excalibur would be a great example of Penguin scum, where as Last Night Tomorrow is typical Penguin town.

tbf, that's Largescum!Penguin.

Microscum!Penguin hardbusses and is serious.

I know, I know...selfmeta. HORROR.

Thanks for the heads up.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

Good.
Doused Dann N1 and Pyrrha N2.

I am tree!

Why did you claim to douse us then and you were very specific?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

bs has claimed scum many times way earlier than that

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Banaki

I don’t believe you can seriously be this bad as town here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

bs has claimed scum many times way earlier than that

Then why aren’t you voting him?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Btw Dann remember scum!Oversoul’s suspicious push on me in MG?

Also Banaki voted me right after Gamma confirmed I wasn’t ignitable. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter.

I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2.

I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

yes sorry for not posting much I have a lot going on

tbh I completely didn't expect sheep to be scum and wouldn't have been on the wagon (I wasn't there for it anyway)

I was actually thinking this gives pyrrha some credibility because I believe she was going for sheep pretty hard but now im not sure

she really seems to be squirming today cause of january

VOTE: pyrrha

ill admit i could go over her iso a little better and probably will. but I don't like how she looks today.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Btw Dann remember scum!Oversoul’s suspicious push on me in MG?

Also

Banaki voted me right after Gamma confirmed I wasn’t ignitable

. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Btw Dann remember scum!Oversoul’s suspicious push on me in MG?

Also

Banaki voted me right after Gamma confirmed I wasn’t ignitable

. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

I want bragging rights if this flips scum.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

id prefer pyrrha vote but it feels were not gonna get that until she leads 2 mislynches on the town

So, what happened to this, Banaki?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

id prefer pyrrha vote but it feels were not gonna get that until she leads 2 mislynches on the town

So, what happened to this, Banaki?

He’s been setting up my mislynch from D2. How this isn’t obvious to everyone?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

You are a

Firefighter

, and aligned with the

Forest

. You may post in the thread and vote as you see fit. Your additional abilities are listed below.

Abilities

• Fire Prevention:
  Each night phase you may choose one other player to douse with water. The doused player will be immune to being primed for ignition
  during that night phase.

@pyrrha

Pyrrha...

Prime a target for ignition by dousing them with gasoline.

I am tree!

Well he redacted his claim, so it means Gamma’s claim is valid.

I still don’t like Banaki.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Pyrrha, do you think you could stop calling people who scum read you WOAT? It’s kinda mean-spirited

It’s only mean-spirited if I’m wrong and he’s either scum or woat here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Pyrrha, do you think you could stop calling people who scum read you WOAT? It’s kinda mean-spirited

It’s only mean-spirited if I’m wrong and he’s either scum or woat here.

I could say “bad town” instead but not when someone’s reads are this far off to the point that it looks like they aren’t even reading the freaking game!, so I’m good with Woat.

Anyway Dann, instead of scolding me here, why don’t you tell us your current solve, given that you were obviously wrong on Gamma scum?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

well, I disagree

You might have more success making that pitch in a few days, I’m still really not okay with certain things that happened to me outside of the game. You should know that. ‘Nuff said.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

well, I disagree

You might have more success making that pitch in a few days, I’m still really not okay with certain things that happened to me outside of the game. You should know that. ‘Nuff said.

And I didn’t call january that (I don’t think?) because he is clearly trying to sort me, regardless of his read, so I can respect that, so you are being unfair to me Dann to imply I always thinks someone is a WOAT - solely for sr me. That’s not my definition of a woat. A woat is someone who isn’t showing a real effort to sort me and in Banaki’s case, has death tunneled me since D 2. That’s why I say either scum or woat because reads that bad, are too over the top bad, to just refer to them as bad town.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

bs has claimed scum many times way earlier than that

Then why aren’t you voting him?

Why should he?

Because it sounds scummy, to be saying what he is about you but still voteparking me. Scum frequently shades like that but votes elsewhere. And like I said, Gamma has confirmed me unignitable. So, scum can never ignite me. The only way to kill me is to stump me.

That makes me an optimal scum push.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I apologize Dann, I don’t mean to take your head off here but your comment came across to me as sounding kind of condescending. If that wasn’t your intention at all, then I’m sorry.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Pyrrha, the Firefighter only protects on the night they use their action. You can still be doused.

I thought it was permanent?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

The reasons I’ve been town reading Banakai are tonal and just taking a look at a scum game of his (albeit from 2015), I don’t think he’d have any trouble faking the tone he has this game as scum.

He was also my initial scum read after the eth0s wagon and I think my original reads are usually strongest—as seen with sheep.

There are so many things about his ISO that have pinged me, many I’ve already stated but what is pinging me above all else is is pretty much non-involvement during sheep lynch but suddenly he has absolutely no problem decisively voting me?

Where was all of this confidence when sheep - who he claimed to tr was getting lynched? Why did he say nothing and let it go through?

It looks extremely disingenuous (ha - you definitely can’t object to that, right?) to be voting me here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

and um..
wrt whatever post you said you need one of my scum games?

what do you expect me to do here? find a game and pick scum and finish it before today ends?

like i said earlier (where you accused me of being NAI!)... you rely on meta way too much

Don’t you have any completed scum games?

I don’t agree with that argument. My initial read on Gamma town - mainly based on meta was right, wasn’t it? I really don’t understand why you dismiss meta so easily. People don’t just suddenly change their playstyles overnight.

If I completely ignored meta, I probably would have been suspicious of Dann hardpushing Gamma but based on meta as well as play, this is clearly town!Dann.

So, I’m kind of getting a bit irritated that you keep criticizing me for relying on meta to some degree.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I apologize Dann, I don’t mean to take your head off here but your comment came across to me as sounding kind of condescending. If that wasn’t your intention at all, then I’m sorry.

It’s fine! It probably came off that way—wasn’t meant to.

I’m probably more sensitized to being misrepped than usual, because it literally happened outside of a game, so it’s still obviously affecting me. :/

[Pyrrha Nikos]

pls read

go back to my post
and look where it says “this is my second game”

if my first game was town, and this is my second game (also town!! who would have guessed haha!) then do you think i have any completed scumgames? (answer is no)

Alright sorry then, I misunderstood. That makes me tr you more in that case, because it seems unlikely that newbie scum would be this good at replicating their towngame.

Okay, so scum is probably between Banaki and BS, I lean Banaki.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

never said you shouldn’t use it at all
otherwise i would have said, “you shouldn’t use meta”

but alas i did not say that
i just said that you rely too much on it which suggests that you use more meta than you should

It really depends on the player. That’s why anonymous games are so much more challenging.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

nope that’s also incorrect meta

nobody said i’m a newbie and i’m pretty sure that’s clear based on how i’m playing
so actually no i’m very capable of being towny as scum (:

I thought you didn’t have any scumgames? Are you saying you’re an alt?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Banakai and sheep have the exact same reaction to the eth0s wagon:

“wtf he’s so scummy that he doesn’t make sense as scum what is he doing oh well guess we should lynch him anyway”

Yeah exactly and that weird Ethos wants to be stumped post. That made absolutely no sense at the time he said it and it still doesn’t. He was suspiciously inactive during sheep lynch and suddenly that’s no longer a problem.

I initially thought Banaki over Ethos because Ethos gave specific reasons for his scumreads, where as Banaki’s seemed kind of lazy. I should probably pay more intention to logic and realized that Ethos making specific arguments over Banaki’s lazy ones should have meant Banaki was the better lynch.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

oh my god there’s other worlds besides mafiascum and i’m pretty sure i said that more than once already

Can you please stop freaking out at me? Is that really necessary?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

alright

taking a page from psyche’s book and tryyyyying to be nicer...

but hey i don’t blame a single person who scumreads you because some of your posts, if they were from any other player, would be really really realllly hard scum

and i’m not sure why you refuse to acknowledge that

Refuse to acknowledge what? Why would they be scummy if they were from another player?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

alright

taking a page from psyche’s book and tryyyyying to be nicer...

but hey i don’t blame a single person who scumreads you because some of your posts, if they were from any other player, would be really really realllly hard scum

and i’m not sure why you refuse to acknowledge that

Refuse to acknowledge what? Why would they be scummy if they were from another player?

Like I’ve very clearly been sorting and being super solvey this entire game, so I really don’t understand why you think this?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

anyways... back to reads

this is a bit confusing i thought there could be no other scum than gamma but apparently there is?? literally... nobody else can be maf wtf

all this does is increase paranoia on the towniest slots

might end up rereading banakai bc there’s a chance i’m just townreading him because i feel like the scumreads on him are faulty/incorrect. fallacy fallacy or something i think?

Many of his reads seem lazy and non-committal, including his recent vote on me. But think of it this way, sheep was terrified of Dann as well he should be, so he knew and was apparently okay not making it to endgame. So, what’s the best way to set up his buddy to be tr? Did you guess distancing?

He wants people to tr Banaki because of his voting him. What sheep failed to take into account was Gamma claiming ff. That totally torpedoed his plan, because his buddy just needs to ignite enough townies before LYLO and Gamma’s played it brilliantly here because scum probably never doused him, so in the unlikely case we’re wrong on Banaki, he will be able to protect for two more nights.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

bs has claimed scum many times way earlier than that

Then why aren’t you voting him?

Why should he?

Because it sounds scummy, to be saying what he is about you but still voteparking me. Scum frequently shades like that but votes elsewhere. And like I said, Gamma has confirmed me unignitable. So, scum can never ignite me. The only way to kill me is to stump me.

That makes me an optimal scum push.

I read this more like a defence of myself than shading?

It’s like many of his reads in this game: essentially lazy, fence-sitty and non-committal but I don’t see how you’re reading that as defending you?

You asked earlier why would scum!sheep hard defend you like he did? My theory is you’re a potential frame. Sheep was buddies with Mastina in MBoS, where Mastina set me up as her buddy and I was mislynched right after Mastina in that. I also defended her which obviously helped seal the deal.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

Good.

Doused Dann N1 and Pyrrha N2.

Are you conceding?

VOTE: Blatant Scum

Like this is way too much.

UNVOTE:

You’re CCing Gamma?

@Gamma, your response to this?

I don’t think BS is lying.

Who douses in this setup? I think you townslipped here though.

Well I am town but yeah I didn’t read the setup too carefully or forgot it.

Apparently scum does with gasoline and ff does with water.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Pyrrha...

Prime a target for ignition by

dousing

them with gasoline.

Oh. UNVOTE:

So BS really is conceding?

VOTE: Blatant Scum

Idk if he’s conceding but it might be RiA

RiA?

I think he’s a frame and sheep distanced Banaki.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Btw Dann remember scum!Oversoul’s suspicious push on me in MG?

Also

Banaki voted me right after Gamma confirmed I wasn’t ignitable

. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

I don’t think you have my role right
I only stop the priming on the night I target a player. If they’re primed earlier or later my role does nothing.

Yeah, you’re probably right.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

Good.
Doused Dann N1 and Pyrrha N2.

I am tree!

Why did you claim to douse us then and you were very specific?

I just switched Gamma's actions. I though it would be funny, "ha, you got the order wrong"!

This makes sense
Doesn’t clear you though

No but if my theory is correct and I think it is, then the game should end with a Banaki lynch. If not, we can then take another look at BS but like I said when I briefly wrongly sr you, sheep’s push reads more to me like a TMI on town then hard defending a buddy. If the game doesn’t end with Banaki lynch, I will have to reassess but the clincher for me was Banaki being pretty much NAI during most of the sheep wagon. He, unlike BS, whose behaviour during that was not at all suspicious, seemed to pretty much flake while that was going on. Pretty strange way to deal with a lead wagon on your top town read, wouldn’t you say?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

bs has claimed scum many times way earlier than that

Then why aren’t you voting him?

ok i was litterally the first one to call out his scum claims and strongly wanted to lynch him ( on day 1 ), but everyone else (including you) didn't want to do it, now your saying OH M Y GOD ITS SOO OBVIOUS BS IS SCUM BANAKAI IS DUMB FOR NOT VOTING HIM. hmm i wonder why you would have a reason to take his scum claim more seriously this time. maybe it's because your being voted rn?

not to mention you called me WOAT and are still voting me, very similar to the stump comment you are so focused on

my votes not moving. i know everybody against me but pyrrha is acting hella scummy today.

You’ve definitely got some serious chutzpah, I’ll give you that. Yeah, everyone here is scum but you.

Like this post is practically a scumclaim. That isn’t what I said at all. And no way in hell does this blatant a misrep ever come from town, no freaking way. I said BS should vote you for shading him and voteparking me and there is no way in hell you misread that. BS and everyone (but you) who’s actually town here knows what you’re saying here is BS. I bet money you’re sheep’s buddy. So if you think this post was going to get me to switch my vote to BS, you clearly thought WRONG.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

actually, january, I'm curious:

Can you read sheep's ISO for me and tell me who you think it implicates most?

Remember when sheep said he needed time to “find another wolf”? Do you also remember that he never found one? That’s because he didn’t want to “find” any, because he was content to votepark Banaki, so he’d get tr once he flipped.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

sure, doing that right now

from what i remember though i would have said pyrrha d1 and gamma d2 (i know gamma’s clear but it felt like sheep was trying to implicate them?)

i’ll let you know upon reread if that changed

I’m not sure why you’d think that? Not Gamma obviously but I viewed his locktown read on me as a blatant pocket, as was the case with Dann and probably also BS.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

sure, doing that right now

from what i remember though i would have said pyrrha d1 and gamma d2 (i know gamma’s clear but it felt like sheep was trying to implicate them?)

i’ll let you know upon reread if that changed

I’m not sure why you’d think that? Not Gamma obviously but I viewed his locktown read on me as a blatant pocket, as was the case with Dann and probably also BS.

With BS both pocket fhpov and potential frame, wrt to gamestate.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

So, hot and spicy read, Blatant Scum is town.

This is based on nothing to do with his own play, I consider pretty much all of his actions up until now largely NAI and given he's decided to troll I'm going to leave directly sorting him till a later date. Instead, I'd like you all to consider that Blatant Scum has become and maintained his status as the leading wagon throughout a day where every other player has posted at least once.

No one has even voted

since Gamma voted Blatant Scum in #81. No RVS votes, nothing.

Blatant Scum is a mislynch because if he were scum than he and his scum buddy would be more intent on driving up some sort of counterwagon, especially with so many people checking in to say "my vote is still good on BS," or basically expressing intent to vote BS like Banakai has. The people who haven't scumread or voted BS, namely sheepsaysmeep and eth0s, have neglected to push an alternative. This is exactly what I'd expect scum to do in a situation where the early leading wagon is town. Soft-defend it and hope it goes through anyway.

I'm disappointed that

no-one

has laid down a vote since the first few pages of the game. RVS is important and I feel we've skipped entirely by it. Regardless, I think this game-state indicates that BS is more likely town than not.

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Anyway, VOTE: sheepsaysmeep

His entire ISO revolves around his town read on Blatant Scum, which is like, fine in a vacuum—I now think it's an accurate read. However, look at what he's actually doing. He responds to people questioning him on his BS read such as in his interactions with Pyrrha but doesn't seem interested in directly sorting any player, Blatant Scum included. His non BS reads are generated from other people prodding him, such as in #129 and #159. He's not questioning the multitude of people who came to the exact opposite conclusion about Blatant Scum or trying to place their alignment, despite his only solid read being on BS himself.

Like you can argue passive playstyles vs. active playstyles, but I question what townie sees their #1 town read as the leading wagon with no alternatives and doesn't seek to remedy that in some way—either by prodding people on the wagon about their scum read or pushing an alternative elsewhere. His play exactly fits the modus operandi of my theoretical scum.

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Also, if someone is about to argue that I'm the BS scum buddy in this situation trying to push an alternative. I would counter that by saying the BS vs. RC situation never happens if I'm BS' scum partner and just leave it at that.

@Dann, this post?

But it still doesn’t explain my theory about BS being a potential frame but otherwise, yeah I agree. Obviously now we’d substitute Banaki for Ethos here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Spoiler:

Guys, I literally explained why scum!sheep would defend a town!BS on page 8 of the game

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

Good.
Doused Dann N1 and Pyrrha N2.

I am tree!

Why did you claim to douse us then and you were very specific?

I just switched Gamma's actions. I though it would be funny, "ha, you got the order wrong"!

This makes sense
Doesn’t clear you though

No but if my theory is correct and I think it is, then the game should end with a Banaki lynch. If not, we can then take another look at BS but like I said when I briefly wrongly sr you, sheep’s push reads more to me like a TMI on town then hard defending a buddy. If the game doesn’t end with Banaki lynch, I will have to reassess but the clincher for me was Banaki being pretty much NAI during most of the sheep wagon. He, unlike BS, whose behaviour during that was not at all suspicious, seemed to pretty much flake while that was going on. Pretty strange way to deal with a lead wagon on your top town read, wouldn’t you say?

So, hot and spicy read, Blatant Scum is town.

This is based on nothing to do with his own play, I consider pretty much all of his actions up until now largely NAI and given he's decided to troll I'm going to leave directly sorting him till a later date. Instead, I'd like you all to consider that Blatant Scum has become and maintained his status as the leading wagon throughout a day where every other player has posted at least once.

No one has even voted

since Gamma voted Blatant Scum in #81. No RVS votes, nothing.

Blatant Scum is a mislynch because if he were scum than he and his scum buddy would be more intent on driving up some sort of counterwagon, especially with so many people checking in to say "my vote is still good on BS," or basically expressing intent to vote BS like Banakai has. The people who haven't scumread or voted BS, namely sheepsaysmeep and eth0s, have neglected to push an alternative. This is exactly what I'd expect scum to do in a situation where the early leading wagon is town. Soft-defend it and hope it goes through anyway.

I'm disappointed that

no-one

has laid down a vote since the first few pages of the game. RVS is important and I feel we've skipped entirely by it. Regardless, I think this game-state indicates that BS is more likely town than not.

=====

Anyway, VOTE: sheepsaysmeep

His entire ISO revolves around his town read on Blatant Scum, which is like, fine in a vacuum—I now think it's an accurate read. However, look at what he's actually doing. He responds to people questioning him on his BS read such as in his interactions with Pyrrha but doesn't seem interested in directly sorting any player, Blatant Scum included. His non BS reads are generated from other people prodding him, such as in #129 and #159. He's not questioning the multitude of people who came to the exact opposite conclusion about Blatant Scum or trying to place their alignment, despite his only solid read being on BS himself.

Like you can argue passive playstyles vs. active playstyles, but I question what townie sees their #1 town read as the leading wagon with no alternatives and doesn't seek to remedy that in some way—either by prodding people on the wagon about their scum read or pushing an alternative elsewhere. His play exactly fits the modus operandi of my theoretical scum.

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Also, if someone is about to argue that I'm the BS scum buddy in this situation trying to push an alternative. I would counter that by saying the BS vs. RC situation never happens if I'm BS' scum partner and just leave it at that.

@Dann, this post?

But it still doesn’t explain my theory about BS being a potential frame but otherwise, yeah I agree. Obviously now we’d substitute Banaki for Ethos here.[/quote]

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Spoiler:

VOTE: bankai

will go through him again when im on a laptop

i still dislike banakai's iso

i think of everyone in the list he stands out as the most lacking in content/effort to advance the game or actual hard stances or reads

sheep pyrrha dann
bs
pp gemma psyche
ethos banakai

VOTE: banakai

nothings changing about me

nancy and dann are still basically clear

Banakai, I’m curious why you didn’t once try to engage with sheep on his scum read on you? Especially considering he was your top town read

Or try to stop his wagon.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Spoiler:

VOTE: bankai

will go through him again when im on a laptop

i still dislike banakai's iso

i think of everyone in the list he stands out as the most lacking in content/effort to advance the game or actual hard stances or reads

sheep pyrrha dann
bs
pp gemma psyche
ethos banakai

VOTE: banakai

nothings changing about me

nancy and dann are still basically clear

Banakai, I’m curious why you didn’t once try to engage with sheep on his scum read on you? Especially considering he was your top town read

Or try to stop his wagon.

@Banaki, you’re play here is never how town ever handles their #1 town read about to get lynched and you posted and then did absolutely nothing.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

hi im still here

honestly I don't know what to say -(-_-)-

@Banaki

This is because you knew unlike BS who was actually tr sheep for real, that he was getting flipped and you thought, you could get away with coasting while it was happening.

Shocker, now that you’re buddy’s gone, you’re not inactive in the slightest.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

hi im still here

honestly I don't know what to say -(-_-)-

@Banaki

This is because you knew unlike BS who was actually tr sheep for real, that he was getting flipped and you thought, you could get away with coasting while it was happening.

Shocker, now that you’re buddy’s gone, you’re not inactive in the slightest.

Is Pyrrha Tunnelling in every game?

I’m the one being tunneled by Banaki. Why aren’t you at all suspicious of his complete non-involvement wrt sheep lynch, yet today he votes me? Why did he not defend sheep who was presumably his top townread?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I tunnel to get reads, if I like the response I get (or anything else, townfirms them), I look elsewhere.

@Blatant Scum

[Pyrrha Nikos]

sure, doing that right now

from what i remember though i would have said pyrrha d1 and gamma d2 (i know gamma’s clear but it felt like sheep was trying to implicate them?)

i’ll let you know upon reread if that changed

I’m not sure why you’d think that? Not Gamma obviously but I viewed his locktown read on me as a blatant pocket, as was the case with Dann and probably also BS.

this was based on my memory of reading of the first few pages before i replaced in

i could explain why i thought that... but it's extra work and honestly won't get us anywhere except into an argument
i no longer believe that read and it was made before i knew alignment, so it really has no relevance to the game

@Dann
whoops i got distracted but

sheep, bs, pyrrha, banakai, dann all some degree above null

leaving gamma, ethos, pine, penguin

i think this is the post that would give me the most partner-interactions if i could think straight rn...
maybe? idk

if i were sheep i'd probably put my partner in the null pool unless i thought my partner actually did towntell. so that would mean penguin would be scumpartner?

bc i don't think banakai actually towntold at that point. so putting partner-banakai in the tr pool seems like a bad idea for sheep.
the only alternative is that one of the actually towny people is maf. and i don't really think that's likely

not very confident about this but i do think i've skimmed over penguin and need to read them more... whenever i can commit to doing that...
i'm on holiday for the rest of the week so i may take a while

Putting your partner as “null” only makes sense if you’re playing to endgame, not if you’re setting them up to win after you die and sheep had to have serious doubts about endgaming because of Dann, so he wasn’t playing to endgame but set up his buddy as not being read as his buddy. Scum doesn’t always play to endgame. In fact, setting up their buddy to endgame is fairly typical of how both Pine and Mastina play scum and sheep got to learn this firsthand in MBoS, thanks to his buddy Mastina.

Nothing in sheep’s interactions with Penguin suggest he’s being set up to endgame. In fact, both he and Gamma, were set up to look like buddies with the null reads after we presumably mislynched BS.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Another thing that makes Banaki very likely scum is that scum frequently play this game of having diametrically opposing reads on a slot, so for example, sheep locktowns me and Banaki targets me or you or BS as scum. depending on who thinks he has a snowball’s chance of mislynching outside of whom he perceives is his biggest threat, which is obviously me.

But Banaki’s play during most of the sheep wagon, wasn’t townie. Do you as town, just make a wolfy pop in and do jack, while your presumable “straongest townread” is getting (according to you) “mislynched”?

In what world does that ever come from town?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

hey everybody! Guess what! I'm leaving you in good hands: the worst is gonna be backing us up while I'm away. if he prods you it's a real prod.

\o/ <3 Ducklings rule!

(shameless mod pocket)

[Pyrrha Nikos]

hey everybody! Guess what! I'm leaving you in good hands: the worst is gonna be backing us up while I'm away. if he prods you it's a real prod.

\o/ <3 Ducklings rule!

(shameless mod pocket)

It’s actually a peck but okay.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

hi im still here

honestly I don't know what to say -(-_-)-

This is Banaki’s only post while sheep was being wagoned.
Isn’t it curious that his “laryngitis”, just suddenly cleared up after sheep lynch?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i've never heard the term endgame before but i'm assuming it means something like surviving till the end?

in that case, yes i agree that sheep was probably not expecting to survive to the end bc of dann
so yeah, sheep was probably setting his partner up. not sure how thats relevant to what i said though, i was talking about scum partner distancing

Nothing in sheep’s interactions with Penguin suggest he’s being set up to endgame.

but this is exactly what i'm trying to say?
sheep putting partner in null reads would be an attempt to distance, which means that he's setting them up for endgame, right?

putting banakai in his townreads could also be set up to look like buddies?
so i don't really think your read quite works bc sheep had buddy-ish interactions with literally everyone

i mean this is basically what i already said in 1396
that i think scum would be more likely to put the people they want to buddy in their TR's and the people they want to distance from in their SR's/null
^ or at least, that's what

I

to do

but i guess it could be the other way around if they're trying to wifom?
i generally don't like making reads purely based on partner interactions because it's quite easy to fake an interaction one way or the other

I’m basing it on a lot more than that but my guess was sheep was hoping, that people would townlock Banaki after he flipped, because he was presumably trying to get him lynched but Banaki was never even close to being in any danger.

Another thing pinging me is that both sheep and me were pushing him but he puts sheep as his #1 tr. where as, I’m his top sr for essentially doing the same thing.

Since I was clearly wrong on Ethos and you, I am a bit hesitant to say this but I bet the game on Banaki flipping scum.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

hi im still here

honestly I don't know what to say -(-_-)-

This is not a town post. He’s frozen.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

But Banaki’s play during most of the sheep wagon, wasn’t townie. Do you as town, just make a wolfy pop in and do jack, while your presumable “straongest townread” is getting (according to you) “mislynched”?

In what world does that ever come from town?

conversely:
is mafia just gonna do nothing when their partner is being lynched?
- I, as scum, would either flip to bussing or attempt to defend them.
or:
is a self-conscious mafia going to act so blatantly scummy and let their strongest townread get mislynched?
- I, as scum, would definitely try to be somewhat towny and either make an excuse of a "changing read" or something, rather than just let my townread die and make me look bad for not doing anything.

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i feel like a lot of your evidence is interpreted in a way that justifies your pre-existing reads, because you tend to ignore that the evidence can quite easily be used to argue the complete opposite. and that's why reads completely flip way too quickly

i'm trying to make you consider your reads more and not necessarily dissuading the bw (yet)
but i really feel like even if you're right on this, your reasoning for it isn't correct

How does he justify suddenly bussing his top townread? This is conversely what I liked about BS’ reaction. He actually questioned the sr on sheep, which is what you’d expect someone who’s genuinely tr a slot to do. So,

Banaki might not have reacted in the typical scummy way, seems to be your point? My argument is that his reaction doesn’t read townie to me.

I know if my #1 townread is (according to me) about to be mislynched, I definitely say something, probably along the lines of “why is sheep being wagoned? and maybe, ask questions like BS did or say “I think this is a mistake” or “not seeing it”?

As for scum!me, it would probably defend on whether or not I wanted to save them or bus but my point is, as town, I definitely say SOMETHING other than I have nothing to say, pretty much and yes, it’s also definitely possible that scum!me would be frozen here and act similar to Banaki. The thing is,

I never ever would react that way as town

.

Being frozen is a very reliable scumtell. I wouldn’t lynch anyone in a vacuum for that, since I have been (albeit rarely) been also frozen as town but I’ve been frozen a lot more often as scum.

Scum is always thinking about optics but that doesn’t mean that they always know how best to navigate them. I was in a game where we nailed scum solely on the basis of being suspiciously frozen.

So, Banaki was in kind of a tough spot. In order to believably bus, he had to convincingly explain the obvious sudden 180 that would have needed to occur wrt his sheep read. In order to defend him, he would have to have been able to do that without looking scummy, which is very hard to. Both are, which is why scum doesn’t usually have their buddy as their #1 tr, unless their buddy is already being widely obvtown read.

But the main non-WIFOM reason for my being suspicious of Banaki is that like sheep, so many of his reactions are inconsistent. Like saying Ethos wanted to be stumped. His entire progression on that wagon makes no sense and then him wrongly accusing me of “leading” a mislynch on the same wagon that he was gungho on. It’s not like he actually tried to fight Ethos’ mislynch and I either strongarmed him or talked him into it but I do realize my part in it doesn’t look great but it’s patently dishonest of Banaki to accuse me of actually driving it. Otoh, I take full responsibility here for driving THIS one, so whatever the result, I will 100% own it.

Remember when Dann unvoted and said he wanted time to reconsider his vote, I didn’t push it because while I thought Ethos was likely flipping scum, I still had a bit of doubt. Now, I shouldn’t be tr for that because I probably wouldn’t have pushed it as any alignment. This was one of the main reasons I sr your slot: suspicious Psyche hammer.

But I see everyone else in the game as townier than Banaki, especially now that you’ve obviously towned it up, so if Psyche hadn’t have replaced out, I’d probably be a lot more uncertain. In the extremely unlikely chance I’m wrong, I’d obviously have to re-evaluate but unlike me, Banaki hasn’t even looked at other slots and has been confibiasing me since D freaking 2. He made that clear despite voting your predecessor, which looked to me like a compromise vote. That’s probably why I never switched my vote to him once Banaki voted him.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

does anyone who tr's penguin wanna give me a towncase

bc im not sure i see why the tr is so strong

i mean... i get parts of it, but i don't see how nobody's even considering him

I think he’s very probably town here but is he clear? No, I think only Gamma and Dann are lock clear. Gamma obviously because claim and Dann because there is absolutely no one in this current playerlist who has less chance of being a sheep buddy than Dann. I know my alignment but those two are the only lock clears for me (other than myself, of course).

[Pyrrha Nikos]

oh and btw this is kinda late and mostly irrelevant bc i hope we can lynch maf in less than 3 lynches

it was better for FF not to out who they (poured water on? i forgot what the power was called)

bc if mafia thinks they're successful with dousing every night, then they'll try to ignite after ML #2, which would decrease our lynchpool and increase odds purely statistically

I counted the lynches and stuff that we have left so I might as well post it here even though hopefully we don't need to get that far

Spoiler: lynch math

D3: 1 maf, 6 town... 2 town primed (assuming worst case)
mislynch on D3 -> D4: 1 maf, 5 town...

mislynch on D4:
Worst Case: 3 town primed - Loss
* Ignite: 3/4 living town were doused < worst case scenario, where all douses were successful and still alive
Otherwise - we get an extra lynch
* Ignite: 1 maf, 2 town (1 maf prime failed)
* No ignite: 1 maf, 4 town... 3 primed

tldr - we have 3 chances to lynch maf if any one of the douses failed or died

Well, I’m thinking that Gamma was very clever to douse me N1 over Dann, because I think I was the probable target because scum would probably expect Dann to have been protected. And they might think that Dann was more likely to be at risk N2 than N1.

And while I obviously could be very wrong here, unlike had RC not replaced out, it’s highly unlikely Gamma was doused but he probably will be tonight if the game doesn’t end but he still gets to make two saves, because it takes two night to actually kill someone.


Pyrrha

Gamma/Dann

———————-townlock

january

Penguin

——————- very likely town

BS

——————- probable mislynchbait

Banaki

——————— very likely scum

[Pyrrha Nikos]

ok so for the questions I've been asked:

I didn't respond to sheep's scum read on me because I felt it didn't matter. I'd already expressed I thought he was bad town and so his read was bad and wasn't worth acknowledging.

Why didn't I post when sheep was getting lynched? Well again, I wasn't around for most of it. When I was around, I felt that sheep wasn't actually going to get lynched. I had given my reads and none of them really changed. Also I don't feel like it's worth arguing against most of the town thinking someone's scum. I don't know for certain sheep was town. It's just my intuition, which very clearly is often wrong.

VOTE: banakai just lynch me. Sorry for not following everyone else's consensus. When I die maybe y'all will listen. oh wait actually

you wont cause you'll say i was bad town

Are you now acknowledging that your read on me is bad?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I feel that self voting is against wincon when you are town or the only scum left.

There are no other possibilities.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i hate people who self vote there's quite literally no reason to ever self vote

this is like the one thing that's an automatic reason for me to lynch someone

i can see this likely flipping town but now i'm obligated to vote him

ok so for the questions I've been asked:

I didn't respond to sheep's scum read on me because I felt it didn't matter. I'd already expressed I thought he was bad town and so his read was bad and wasn't worth acknowledging.

Why didn't I post when sheep was getting lynched? Well again, I wasn't around for most of it. When I was around, I felt that sheep wasn't actually going to get lynched. I had given my reads and none of them really changed. Also I don't feel like it's worth arguing against most of the town thinking someone's scum. I don't know for certain sheep was town. It's just my intuition, which very clearly is often wrong.

VOTE: banakai just lynch me. Sorry for not following everyone else's consensus. When I die maybe y'all will listen. oh wait actually you wont cause you'll say i was bad town

My issue with a lot of his posts, is he keeps saying things that sound contradictory. Like, “people will listen” once he’s flipped - clearly implying that he’s correct on my being scum, then his comment about people calling him “bad town”, implies that he’s wrong on me.

Because if he was right, no one would be calling him bad town for that. This post says to me that he is acknowledging trying to push a mislynch on me. If he really thought I was scum, he wouldn’t then make that comment about people calling him “bad town”. Therefore I view his comment about people listening to him when he flips as disingenuous.

The thing is, if he really is “bad town” here and not scum, where is the self-awareness of that? I really don’t see any. It does definitely seem to me that he doesn’t honestly believe in his sr on me.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If Banaki really isn’t scum here, then someone has been playing me pretty good but I really really don’t think that. I think game ends with Banaki flip and I’m not tr the self vote here.

Why no comment from him about the merits or lack there of of my case?

Why not, “if I’m wrong about Pyrrha, it could be X”? type of thing.

Just pretty much an admission of defeat, looks like.

He can’t both be right about me and be bad town, so once again, more contradictory statements.

This post is typical of his entire ISO, lazy contradictory thoughts, unlikely to come from a town mindset.

But his complete non-engagement with sheep like Dann pointed out and his being frozen during sheep lynch, make me feel pretty confident here.

This doesn’t really read to me as frustrated outraged town self-voting but caught scum, either trying a last minute gambit or throwing in the towel.

Because he clearly doesn’t believe what he’s selling.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I feel that self voting is against wincon when you are town or the only scum left.

Idk it could be trying a gambit as scum thinking he’s effectively read the room
Like the timing seems ripe for that burst of AtE
Plus he only does it when it doesn’t hammer him

That’s right, because he put himself at L-1 and he likely logically deduces that people would unvote and it wasn’t at L-1 anymore, since Dann unvoted.

But I sr it because he said

both

- people will listen when he flips and that they will call him BAD town. No one calls you that if you’re right, so this is an admission that he’s not been honest about his sr on me.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

hi im still here

honestly I don't know what to say -(-_-)-

This is not a town post. He’s frozen.

ok so for the questions I've been asked:

I didn't respond to sheep's scum read on me because I felt it didn't matter. I'd already expressed I thought he was bad town and so his read was bad and wasn't worth acknowledging.

Why didn't I post when sheep was getting lynched? Well again, I wasn't around for most of it. When I was around, I felt that sheep wasn't actually going to get lynched. I had given my reads and none of them really changed. Also I don't feel like it's worth arguing against most of the town thinking someone's scum. I don't know for certain sheep was town.

It's just my intuition, which very clearly is often wrong

.

VOTE: banakai just lynch me. Sorry for not following everyone else's consensus.

When I die maybe y'all will listen

. oh wait actually

you wont cause you'll say i was bad town

Are you now acknowledging that your read on me is bad?

Again, he just admitted he was wrong on sheep, so why are we supposed to “listen” to his read on me?

I think this is scum AtEing as a last resort. No further comment about his reads at all. when he seemed to be so confident on scum!me earlier. I’m having real trouble thinking any of this ever comes from town.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If Banaki really isn’t scum here, then someone has been playing me pretty good but I really really don’t think that.

I mean, not to be rude, but you did have sheep as a townlock for a fairly large portion of the game. Is this so impossible?

Who do you think it is if it doesn't end up being Banakai?

I didn’t have him as a townlock. He was in my townblock but that doesn’t mean he was a lock, however that was true for Gamma, so I’m not sure what your point is?

Sure, it’s definitely possible. Any guesses as to who’s been playing me, in the extremely unlikely chance Banaki is town?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

In any rate, I don’t think anyone else has currently as much scum equity as Banaki, so he should still be today’s lynch.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Any guesses as to who’s been playing me, in the extremely unlikely chance Banaki is town?

That was my question to you

I have no clue but I don’t think I really need to worry about that unless I’m wrong on him and I really don’t think I am.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

My issue with a lot of his posts, is he keeps saying things that sound contradictory. Like, “people will listen” once he’s flipped - clearly implying that he’s correct on my being scum, then his comment about people calling him “bad town”, implies that he’s wrong on me.

Because if he was right, no one would be calling him bad town for that. This post says to me that he is acknowledging trying to push a mislynch on me. If he really thought I was scum, he wouldn’t then make that comment about people calling him “bad town”. Therefore I view his comment about people listening to him when he flips as disingenuous.

The thing is, if he really is “bad town” here and not scum, where is the self-awareness of that? I really don’t see any. It does definitely seem to me that he doesn’t honestly believe in his sr on me.

1. clearly he thinks he's correct on his read? not sure if anyone would make a confident read and then say they think they're wrong lol
2. he's saying that people will call him bad town and ignore his read. that's not him saying he thinks he's wrong. he's saying that OTHER PEOPLE will say he's wrong and ignore him. i think you're completely misreading everything at this point. it seems extremely clear to me that he's saying "i know Pyrrha is mafia but people will ignore me after they lynch me"
3. why would he need to be self-aware of being "bad town"?? most people don't think they're bad but that doesn't mean they're mafia...

If he was right on me, no one would call him bad town, so I disagree with you that isn’t contradictory. If he was right, people would call him a GOAT. You’re making the assumption that he’s specifically referring to immediately following his lynch as opposed to post-game. I don’t think it’s clear.

So, you really believe he honestly thinks I’m scum because it reads fake to me? Just like his locktown sheep read, just like his multiple contradictory statements prior to Ethos mislynch. You really should read his posts re: Ethos while he was voting him. His contradictory comments aren’t just about me. His whole progression on sheep is weird - especially the frozen part. Why would he not engage “bad town” wrongly sr him? And then there’s PoE, everyone else reads townier to me than Banaki

[Pyrrha Nikos]

anyone wanna read my penguino case or comment or something i put so much work into it

bc i seriously have no idea how penguin is townread and i really want to know

I must have missed it. Can you link the post #?

I only recall you asking for someone to towncase him.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think it’s plausible people could think you are scum

I don’t think it’s correct obviously but it’s definitely plausible

Just look at eth0s

I’m not sr him for that. I’m sr him because I think it’s fake. Ethos wasn’t contradicting himself nearly every other posts. Like I could see it’s possible Banaki could be bad town here but if so, then who is scum?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

viewtopic.php?p=11411385#p11411385

Alright, UNVOTE: for now.

I still think he’s scum but I don’t want to mislynch him if he truly is bad town, which I suppose could be possible.

One thing I remember from Psyche/sheep interactions was when sheep first said to him, “someone is pretending Pyrrha could be scum here” and then trying to superficially albeit earnestly try to convince him, that I could never be a wolf here. I recall thinking that didn’t read like sheep/Psyche buddies.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Who do you think is scum if you’re wrong?

Like just assume you’re wrong for a moment, where do you look next?

I obviously don’t know. Obviously one of my tr would have to be wrong.

All I know is I’m grateful january replaced into this game because I very likely would have mislynched Psyche. While I thought Pine scummy and Psyche bordeline, january is super townie. The sheer level of nuanced thinking is not something I can see scum replicating.

I do think he has a point about Penguin’s not really making the same level of deep reads he did in LNT. In every game I’ve played with scum!Penguin, he’s played more like he did in Excalibur and No Dead Person but then he says, his meta is different in larges than in micros.

So, with january slot, being super townie, I have to reconsider anyone who’s not townlock and january really seems obtown to me.

Sheep and Penguin were Banaki’s top townreads iirc?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I feel that self voting is against wincon when you are town or the only scum left.

Well this post is kind of meaningless because Banaki obviously has to be one or the other.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Anyway, I’m still happy I have more or less a perfect BoP on Gamma. I will never doubt my Gamma read again, for the foreseeable future.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If he was right on me, no one would call him bad town, so I disagree with you that isn’t contradictory. If he was right, people would call him a GOAT. You’re making the assumption that he’s specifically referring to immediately following his lynch as opposed to post-game. I don’t think it’s clear.

he said that he thinks people will call him bad town and not vote you. so that means he's not talking about post-game, since people don't pick lynches in post-game

anyways, i don't think this part of your read is valid

Maybe.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Who do you think is scum if you’re wrong?

Like just assume you’re wrong for a moment, where do you look next?

I obviously don’t know. Obviously one of my tr would have to be wrong.

All I know is I’m grateful january replaced into this game because I very likely would have mislynched Psyche. While I thought Pine scummy and Psyche bordeline, january is super townie. The sheer level of nuanced thinking is not something I can see scum replicating.

I do think he has a point about Penguin’s not really making the same level of deep reads he did in LNT. In every game I’ve played with scum!Penguin, he’s played more like he did in Excalibur and No Dead Person but then he says, his meta is different in larges than in micros.

So, with january slot, being super townie, I have to reconsider anyone who’s not townlock and january really seems obtown to me.

Sheep and Penguin were Banaki’s top townreads iirc?

*i prefer if u use she instead of he. ty <3*

and ok do u think my point applies to this game or not? and u did say that penguin was a strong-ish townread earlier (iirc) so can u explain that read a little bit

Well, he seemed to express strong convictions but like Gamma said, that’s fallen off. My problem is I don’t know if anything he’s posted actually seems agendy?

Due to paranoia

These are my current reads

Pyrrha

Gamma

january

Dann

Penguin

BS

Banaki

If Banaki’s not scum and anyone is playing me, I don’t think it’s you. So, I can’t 100% rule out the possibility of Dann being a deep wolf but I don’t want to go anywhere near there rn.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I wish stumps couldn't talk.

I'm fine with sheep today. I won't necessarily sheep dann if it flips red though. Psyche slot is underwhelming.

Pyrrha I still think you're quite townie but please make me understand why penguin is never scum here... I am worried at how little he comes up in discussion

If I was scum, I would have driven the bus on sheep.

Scum!Penguin tries to coast. He never takes hard stances on anything. Excalibur would be a great example of Penguin scum, where as Last Night Tomorrow is typical Penguin town.

tbf, that's Largescum!Penguin.

Microscum!Penguin hardbusses and is serious.

I know, I know...selfmeta. HORROR.

I mean - I'm not opposed. I just wanted to call it out for props later

I feel that self voting is against wincon when you are town or the only scum left.

I’m having real trouble seeing Penguin as a deep wolf here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Penguin, what's your read on the january/Psyche slot?

January, I'm not ignoring your Penguin case but I'm taking my time with responding to it because it's a holiday weekend and I imagine the game is gonna be pretty dead anyway.

I think it's a good case despite my previously stated town lean on Penguin. I've for the most part been content to give him a pass because I haven't really had the emotional energy to fight Pyrrha on yet another town read of hers, and there have been other scummier slots up until now, but it's a slot worth looking at. Thanks for taking the time to case it, I'll have more to say later.

And say we lynch Penguin instead of Banaki and he flips town, what then? I was not wrong on Gamma, so I don’t know why you’re so quick to discredit my reads.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Who do you think is scum if you’re wrong?

Like just assume you’re wrong for a moment, where do you look next?

I obviously don’t know. Obviously one of my tr would have to be wrong.

All I know is I’m grateful january replaced into this game because I very likely would have mislynched Psyche. While I thought Pine scummy and Psyche bordeline, january is super townie. The sheer level of nuanced thinking is not something I can see scum replicating.

I do think he has a point about Penguin’s not really making the same level of deep reads he did in LNT. In every game I’ve played with scum!Penguin, he’s played more like he did in Excalibur and No Dead Person but then he says, his meta is different in larges than in micros.

So, with january slot, being super townie, I have to reconsider anyone who’s not townlock and january really seems obtown to me.

Sheep and Penguin were Banaki’s top townreads iirc?

*i prefer if u use she instead of he. ty <3*

and ok do u think my point applies to this game or not? and u did say that penguin was a strong-ish townread earlier (iirc) so can u explain that read a little bit

It’s just that I don’t really see any agenda to his play and nothing about his ISO really sticks out to me as scummy.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

all these ppl saying im scummy

but not voting

literally it’s only Pyrrha, Banakai

Stop self voting and play the game

What? My vote was on him. He was clearly NOT referring the me here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

anyone wanna read my penguino case or comment or something i put so much work into it

bc i seriously have no idea how penguin is townread and i really want to know

It's a bad case built around a prior assumption and looking for rationale versus the other way around.

Penguin, what's your read on the january/Psyche slot?

I'd probably lynch it after BS but before Banakai. The ate worked.

My opinion on her case on me is above.

I’d lynch Banaki before BS and don’t think I want to lynch january at all. Other than disliking her case on you, what makes her scum because I think she’s transparently obvtown here?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Penguin, what's your read on the january/Psyche slot?

January, I'm not ignoring your Penguin case but I'm taking my time with responding to it because it's a holiday weekend and I imagine the game is gonna be pretty dead anyway.

I think it's a good case despite my previously stated town lean on Penguin. I've for the most part been content to give him a pass because I haven't really had the emotional energy to fight Pyrrha on yet another town read of hers, and there have been other scummier slots up until now, but it's a slot worth looking at. Thanks for taking the time to case it, I'll have more to say later.

And say we lynch Penguin instead of Banaki and he flips town, what then? I was not wrong on Gamma, so I don’t know why you’re so quick to discredit my reads.

@Dann, why are you not responding to this?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

dont tell me someones pretending nancy can be wolf

psyche

nancy cant wolf

i mean that in the least insulting way possible but as an objective view of her emotions


if she was wolf, these walls would be.. wolfing

and she cant do that

This doesn’t sound like buddies to me.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

idgi

Is that “I don’t get it”?

Well it reads as if sheep can’t decide whether to shade or convince Psyche, which doesn’t really make a lot of sense if they’re buddies

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Banaki, do you have any sr other than me and why?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I don't get that takeway from the posts, and I definitely wouldn't obvtown someone over it.

Her thought process seems incredibly townie.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Penguin, what's your read on the january/Psyche slot?

January, I'm not ignoring your Penguin case but I'm taking my time with responding to it because it's a holiday weekend and I imagine the game is gonna be pretty dead anyway.

I think it's a good case despite my previously stated town lean on Penguin. I've for the most part been content to give him a pass because I haven't really had the emotional energy to fight Pyrrha on yet another town read of hers, and there have been other scummier slots up until now, but it's a slot worth looking at. Thanks for taking the time to case it, I'll have more to say later.

And say we lynch Penguin instead of Banaki and he flips town, what then? I was not wrong on Gamma, so I don’t know why you’re so quick to discredit my reads.

@Dann, why are you not responding to this?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I disagree with you there...quite a bit.

Ok, elaborate then?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I'm not discrediting your reads.

I'm also not trying to say we should lynch Penguin. I'm not sure who I want to lynch yet.

What do you want me to respond to?

Alright then. Yeah, I’m definitely not interested in lynching Penguin.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I dont think dann would push sheep like that if scum. Like idk why he has a rep for deepwolfing but I refuse to believe he interacted with sheep that way if partners.

I don’t think he is, I just was paranoid about a possible discredit - re: Penguin but I’m feeling better now about that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I disagree with you there...quite a bit.

Ok, elaborate then?

I already did. I think her "case" on me is predicated on her "read" on me and not the other way around.

I can definitely see that but do you see that as necessarily not townie motivated?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Banakai get in here and play

I really don’t know how to read this: Him completely giving up at this point

[Pyrrha Nikos]

jk as for my scumreads, pyrrha, BS is someone who I want lynched but im split on if he's scum, Psyche i was scum reading but I don't know about January now. Also in general

I feel like after 2 replace outs that slots probably not scum because most ppl don't replace out as scum

.

so honestly I don't have much. penguin I could maybe see being scum but I wouldn't say it's currently a read.

Wrt the bolded, where did you get that idea from?

People can replace out as either alignment for a lot of reasons but many people hate playing scum.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I have a theory that if Banaki isn’t scum, he’s could be a possible scum pocket. Either way, we will lose if he gets anywhere near LYLO.

Why? Because if he’s not scum, he will either be the mislynch that loses us the game or scum - assuming it’s not him - will get him to mislynch, because he clearly isn’t reading the game.

So, I still think he’s the best lynch today regardless.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If I sheep you guys on january and game doesn’t end, I want Banaki next. I’m not lynching BS first. I still think Banaki is the better lynch but if I had reasonable confidence that if game didn’t end, Banaki would be next, I’d be less reluctant but I’m worried that if he flips town, you will lynch BS next and I am extremely opposed to that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@january, how do you feel about a Banaki lynch? No way we are touching Penguin or anyone else for that matter.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Dann if january flips town, who do you want next BS or Banaki?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

She assumed I was scum and then read my posts with the intention of finding supporting evidence...admittedly.

i’m talking to
and penguin assumed that i was scum because he didn’t understand the point i just made was
assumptions suck don’t they...

i made a case with the sole purpose of challenging the majority of people’s townread on you
it actually starts out quite unbiased to be fair. the stuff i say at the start is like “eh this is kinda null”

and then through making that case i decided you were scum

Based on?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

now it sucks because if i was to ever back off on the penguin read everyone’s just going to point to me as scummy lol

i acknowledge that you voting sheep makes you slightly townier, but i don’t think it’s strong enough to townread you based on that. bussing does exist and it’s not like there were any other lynch choices at that moment iirc

“Slightly”? Sheep acted absolutely terrified of him. Yeah, I had a brief moment of paranoia when I temporarily thought he was discrediting my Penguin read but I’m over it now.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Calling it rn:

Banaki/Psyche is the scumteam

.

ur wrong and a

bit

overconfident

Yes, Banaki and Psyche team is possible.
Call 2 people scumteam.
If at least one of them reacts on the post, it means you are right.
If none of them reacts, it means you are wrong.

I have a small statistic sample for this, but it worked so far.
VOTE: Banakai

Notice how Psyche used the word “bit”? If that isn’t a weird flex, I don’t know what is.

is this really how you think this game works? how people work? i hedged with "bit" so i'm scum now? you're not as clever as you seem to think you are

I think I might not have been wrong about this. Him saying “bit”, made it sound like I was partially right.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think people in these games are always too ready to townread the people making the neat cases and finding the tells, and scumread those who are comparatively inactive or messy. It's a useful bias that helps drive useful content, but when push comes to shove it results in strong townreads that can throw games. Being someone in pyrra's poe and having my role pm,

I know by my own poe that at least one of her hard townreads are probably wrong.

The kinds of stuff she thinks are scummy just aren't ("bit"??) and there's probably analogous weaknesses in her townreading. She's not the only one in the game w/ her general readlist. The wake-up call ought to come sooner rather than later.

You KNOW but yet my POE is wrong and somehow scummy? Yer funny.

well yeah of course i know. i can even explain:
you've called me and banakai as the scum team. i know my own role pm. whether i'm town

or

scum, i know for sure whether you're right or not. you're not right. and if we include BS in your scumpool, you're still

probably

not right. but here you are calling me scummy for using the word "bit".

The bolded looks like a TMI. BS wasn’t a “hard” tr but I’m now leaning that way and I never tr Banaki, so there’s no way he’d actually KNOW one of my hard tr was wrong, solely based on his role pm.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Official Vote Count 3.12

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Lynching

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

january

(2): PenguinPower, Dannflor

Banakai

(2): Banakai, Blatant Scum

Not Voting

(3): january, Gamma Emerald, Pyrrha Nikos

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-12-10 09:00:00).

Mod notes:

I'm back!

Gamma Emerald is V/LA until the 1st.

Prod timer is on weekend mode until the end of Sunday.

Click here for combined mod & backup mod ISO.[/area]

Banaki’s initial self-vote read like a gambit but he still hasn’t unvoted, so it definitely doesn’t look like a gambit, however I really think BS has recently really towned it up, so I will 100% push for Banaki over BS, if game doesn’t end.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

thinking that Bs and Banakai were bastions of town compared to me.

this is a straw man fallacy i never said anything close to that

If you’re #1 sr is Pengin in addition to your preferred lynch, how do you figure this?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

preferably not me after i’ve towntold a lot

and yes i would like to lynch penguin but i know i’m not confident on that

(no that’s not scum setting up for a mislynch, i seriously don’t feel confident in any of my reads. i just have a gut read that banakai isn’t scum and

penguin reads as scummier than me

)

now it sucks because if i was to ever back off on the penguin read everyone’s just going to point to me as scummy lol

i acknowledge that you voting sheep makes you slightly townier, but i don’t think it’s strong enough to townread you based on that. bussing does exist and it’s not like there were any other lynch choices at that moment iirc

If Penguin should be seen as “scummier than [you]”, then why are also throwing subtle shade at Dann here?

Tbh, the bolded reads less like you ever sr Penguin and more like you thought he’d be more mislynchable than you, which doesn’t exactly look like a townie thought.

But had Dann suddenly jumped on Penguin, I’d definitely be suspicious of that, which is why I had the slight paranoia on hil when I thought he was trying to discredit my Penguin read. I think scum!Dann would definitely be sheeping you on Penguin here because he knows I hardtown read him.

So, I’m left with BS recently stepping up and towning it up and Banaki who still hasn’t un-self voted. He’s definitely not a clear for me and if you flip town, he’s 100% dying next but your reaction looks like you feel Penguin deserves to be lynched before you, rather than scum indicative, which is kind of a weird thing to be saying if you’re town, So, I’m leaning to Banaki actually being superbad town over you.


Pyrrha
Gamma

Dann
Penguin
BS

—————————

Banaki
january


I really think had you had this slot from the getgo, you really had a decent chance of winning this but your reactions to votes on you, read more like you’re trying to not get lynched as opposed to a genuine sr.

Not interested in lynching above that line. BS is very clearly town now.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

While I am never backing off of Banaki in LYLO 100% loses us the game, it seems less than optimal to lynch a slot who still hasn’t un-self-voted and I think if you could you’d lynch Penguin/Dann/BS and even me before Banaki if you could.

That’s how I know BS is town. Scum!him would never be voting Banaki here, because it’s sub-optimal to do that if scum.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Gamma - town
Dann - town
Pyrrha - town
Penguin - I think Dann had the point here, that Penguin would bus more obviously.

This leaves Banakai and January as possible scum.
We have 2 lynches.

VOTE: Banakai

We have 2 lynches.

why do you say that

Because it is truth?
And because it means I presented a solve?
(I said we have 2 lynches, not exactly 2 lynches. If that is what you are trying to discuss with me here.)

If you were town here january, you’d have a similar readslist to BS. BS’ readslist is antithetical to a scum wincon, while you pushing Penguin and shading Dann could possibly win you the game, if I actually bought into it.

So, now that BS has obvtowned and Banaki still hasn’t un-self voted, that puts you last in my PoE. However, it was your response to Dann which clinched it for me. Your suddenly shading him there as a response to him voting you for your progression on Penguin, looked very much like scum flailing.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

january, who do you want to lynch today? Penguin?

now it sucks because if i was to ever back off on the penguin read everyone’s just going to point to me as scummy lol

i acknowledge that you voting sheep makes you slightly townier, but i don’t think it’s strong enough to townread you based on that. bussing does exist and it’s not like there were any other lynch choices at that moment iirc

I really hate this response to Dann. Like why wouldn’t you just say, I can see how I might have prematurely jumped the gun on Penguin or defend your read? Seguewaying on to Dann looks really bad here. Because it reads like a disingenuous OMGUs. Are you going to sr me next?

I think this may be for my benefit, since I expressed a brief paranoia on his slot?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

pyrrha put yourself in my spot why wouldn’t i be throwing shade at dann after he’s said i’m towny up until he suddenly votes me...

pyrrha you said earlier that there was no chance you’d lynch me. but when dann suddenly scumreads me you’re scumreading my slot again (and based on posts like 800 posts ago which you already pushed on earlier)

was your townread on me solely based on dann’s stated read on me?

No, it’s based on MY read. It’s partially based on PoE and as I said I didn’t like your response to Dann. I also think Psyche might have slipped.

You have no interest in lynching Banaki, correct? The only other slot I’d even be considering. I don’t see how Dann, Penguin and BS aren’t town and Gamma is of course clear.

That’s exactly what I did. I very much doubt town!me would react the way you did. It made your initial sr on Penguin look faked because you just pretty much dropped it and had you really thought it had some merit, I think town!you would be walking it back, not just simply dropped it and then shade Dann.

If you have a real read on someone and you begin to doubt it, you don’t just abandon it like that unless something like a claim happens to suddenly dismantle it and you did admit that you sr Pengin first and then scumcased him, as opposed to the other way around. Also, why no comment on Penguin’s posts since then? Wouldn’t town!you have an opinion on your biggest sr?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Intent to vote January.

I understand that you wanted to case Penguin, so you would challenge global townread (which was unjustified) on him and sort the slot. Nevertheless, when Dann pointed out that Penguin voted, but not bussed, Sheep, I think it gave him lots of town points.
I want to lynch you because of PoE, not because of that push.

Is anyone (for example January) able to show me that Penguins action was not as towny as I think it was?

Also january, contrasting your posts with BS, makes my opinion that you’re not really approaching Penguin/Dann reads with a townie mindset even stronger.

Am I confident you’re scum? No but it’s between you and Banaki and he still hasn’t unvoted himself, which seems kind of whack if he’s scum but I would lynch him in a heartbeat over BS, since he’s clearly obvtowned.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i’ll answer u later BS but i’d say reread his sheep vote and the ISO i’ve read doesn’t seem that towny to me, if he had pushed on sheep or done anything except for vote it i’d say it’s towny
but it’s not

Why isn’t it townie? Why is it scummy that he didn’t lead the wagon on sheep? See, this doesn’t make sense. If you were instead arguing, it’s maybe not enough to give you a hard tr on him, that would be fair fypov but saying it’s not town is kind of an unbelievable stretch.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If I was scum, I would have driven the bus on sheep.

and i really don’t think you should townread him purely for voting sheep

and afaik nobody has any other reason to townread him besides the vote

I’m 100% not. I was tr him, so were Dann and Gamma before the sheep wagon even happened. It’s these kind of posts - like you almost doing a revisionist history here - which is making me want to vote you. Did you even bother to ISO me and check when my Penguin tr actually started? Because then you’d clearly know, it started well before sheep wagon.

Your posts today are making me more and more confident that Banaki really is just a woat and your sheep’s buddy.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

aren’t you trying to get towncredit right now lol

This doesn’t look townie. You haven’t come up with even a single reason why he’s scum. Banaki has terribad reason for sr me otoh but fhpov, it actually looks like reasons. You’re just shading Penguin with no basis whatsoever.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: january

I feel really confident about this now. Last night I couldn’t decide between her and Banaki but her reactions since Dann voted her, don’t read like townie reactions.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: january

I feel really confident about this now. Last night I couldn’t decide between her and Banaki but her reactions since Dann voted her, don’t read like townie reactions.

L-1

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I'm not satisfied with that explanation from Gamma, Pyrrha

I still want to know where his overall thoughts are, especially on Banakai

If possible, I'd love a reads list ranking his bottom reads

So just the scumreads?

Or everything if you can

I just wanna know where you're at holistically

Ok
To add onto that I think Pyrrha is like irrevocably town here, she’s been consistently driving the game forward, I don’t detect any agenda, and her stances feel like they come from town

You and Penguin are also town for me, but tbh I feel like Penguin has dropped off a little lately which does make my TR on him a little weaker than my TR on you

As for you your reads look genuine and imo you kinda have been showing an underlying paranoia that kinda comes from town

This is an example of how town reads Penguin. See the nuanced read on Penguin, Gamma does here?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

compared with this:

i’ll answer u later BS but i’d say reread his sheep vote and the ISO i’ve read doesn’t seem that towny to me,

if he had pushed on sheep or done anything except for vote it i’d say it’s towny
but it’s not

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Intent to vote January.

I understand that you wanted to case Penguin, so you would challenge global townread (which was unjustified) on him and sort the slot. Nevertheless, when Dann pointed out that Penguin voted, but not bussed, Sheep, I think it gave him lots of town points.
I want to lynch you because of PoE, not because of that push.

Is anyone (for example January) able to show me that Penguins action was not as towny as I think it was?

That’s why I’m voting her, she really hasn’t. She’s just calling him scum for no reason. She unlike you, is making no real effort to try and sort him.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

feel better dann

+1

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@eth0s, any thoughts, re: january?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I have a lot of trouble reading that slot. I kinda sheep your though process but I think you should stick to your guns and try to achieve a banakai lynch first

Matter of fact I think banakai should just be lynched asap this phase has probably run its course and dann and gamma qont really be around for a bit prob

He refuses to even play now, so that warrants a policy lynch.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

That’s why I’m voting her, she really hasn’t. She’s just calling him scum for no reason. She unlike you, is making no real effort to try and sort him.

GOD you’re so annoying saying I’M the one with revisionist history lmfao

you’re just ignoring the whole case I made and then saying I have no reason to scumread penguin LMAO

i know you disagree with my reads but you’re completely lying to yourself and to everyone else when you say I have no reason to scumread penguin

i honestly can’t believe how easily you just ignore parts that don’t fit your read and only include parts that do. how come you never mentioned psyche’s “slip” when you townread me and then when you scumread me you suddenly start mentioning it? it’s not like it wasn’t there before??

This isn’t helping. Calling me “ annoying”. Saying I’m “lying to myself”. What?

What case did you make? You said he wasn’t town because he voted sheep. Am I missing something?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

That’s why I’m voting her, she really hasn’t. She’s just calling him scum for no reason. She unlike you, is making no real effort to try and sort him.

1. like i said before that’s a flat out lie
2. hey i gave that as one of the reasons i scumread penguin (bc he didn’t try to sort anyone)... oh wait i apparently don’t have any reasons... what’s this then...

if you lynch me then you better follow my reads but i know you’re just gonna call me bad town... oh hey this sounds familiar

and @ethos no i don’t really want to vote banakai because i think they’re less likely to be maf than penguin

i’d rather lynch my mafread so i don’t have to deal with this game anymore

and if banakai flips town i’m just gonna have to do this again tomorrow

if it comes to me v banakai when the days almost over, sure since i’m not nearly confident enough to protect him with my life lol
but not right now when i still have a chance to convince people (albeit a small chance i guess)

I seriously doubt a Penguin lynch will happen. It’s between you and Banaki.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

This is an example of how town reads Penguin. See the nuanced read on Penguin, Gamma does here?

nu·anced
adjective
characterized by subtle shades of meaning or expression.

no not really. where’s the subtle shades of meaning?
gamma’s read: they tr penguin less than Dann
my read: i scumread penguin more than everyone else

i know nuanced is a nice buzzword but i’m not sure how it’s relevant or even related to whatever your point is?

gamma’s read isn’t any more nuanced or town-minded or whatever you’re saying (at least not that part that you quoted, idk didn’t read the rest). just because gamma’s read is... well... useless bc nobody tr’s penguin more than dann, or that it’s less confident than mine (is that what you’re scumreading?) doesn’t make it any townier than mine lol

You being antagonistic to me isn’t helping me read you better. I’m trying to determine if your push comes from a townie mindset or not and any attempt to antagonize me, just gets filtered out as noise. I gave Gamma’s post as an example because you can see clear sorting in that. I’m not convinced you’re doing that. I obviously don’t want to mislynch me you if you’re town but your attitude here really isn’t helping.

So if you’re argument is he’s playing different here than in LNT, then find quotes from both games to elaborate on this. You being convinced on him being scum, does absolutely nothing for me.

Is Banaki your only hard tr (and don’t even bother mentioning confitown Gamma here)?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Gamma, what are your thoughts on all of this?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

UNVOTE:

I want to read this before anyone hammers.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I have a lot of trouble reading that slot. I kinda sheep your though process but I think you should stick to your guns and try to achieve a banakai lynch first

Matter of fact I think banakai should just be lynched asap this phase has probably run its course and dann and gamma qont really be around for a bit prob

He refuses to even play now, so that warrants a policy lynch.

please stop botherring me for having a life. I can't post all the time. Even if I could, everyone thinks I'm scum anyway so I can't say anything that will influence anyone except to get me lynched. That's why I'm voting myself because honestly being lynched would be good for me.

If everyone thought you were scum, you’d already be hammered. I’m leaning now to you being a likely scum pocket > being scum. I do agree it’s definitely good for the game for you not to get to LYLO but if I can confidently lynch scum today, that would obviously be preferable.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

being lynched would be good for me.

Maggots eating your corpse indeed sounds healthy.

maggots have been used in medical situations so it could be healthy

I think you mean leeches?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i hate people who self vote there's quite literally no reason to ever self vote

this is like the one thing that's an automatic reason for me to lynch someone

i can see this likely flipping town but now i'm obligated to vote him

january I am somewhat paranoid about your slot and honestly it's because you don't really have any scum reads

that's fair but i usually never have scumreads, only townreads and non-townreads

and i do think everyone HAS had a few towny posts which is kinda why im struggling

but....
here's my penguin case (sorry it's long, tldr is at the bottom)

Spoiler:

spends first 20-ish posts with one-liners (mostly NAI at this point, just a different style of play)

I townread you, Dann.

this is the first read he has and it's not really justified or explained. that'd be fine normally especially since dann WAS towny. but i still feel like up to this point penguin's been extremely low-energy
same applies past this point too, but i think the general thing that stands out to me is penguin's reactive-ness. majority of posts are like 1 or 2 sentences reaction to other people's posts or gifs (love the gifs btw, just don't think they're particularly towny)

Last Night Tomorrow

i feel like penguin's reads this game lacked reasoning behind them. wasn't sure if this was just a habit of play, or an actual scum play. i compared it to the game pyrrha mentioned (viewtopic.php?f=56&t=78060) and i think he actually does give justifications for why he's trying to lynch people in that game.
basically: penguin's reads are phrased as very strong reads but i feel like if town!penguin genuinely wanted a scumread to be lynched, he'd be giving reasons and actually trying to convince people

from what i can tell, 433 is the only real reasoning that penguin has made for a read/lynch

oh and i realize that my read on eth0s is quite different than the majority of people's read, but i think penguin's push on him can be read as pushing a scummy player without genuinely attempting to classify them. the stuff he used as reasoning for the FOS were things like "eth0s didn't read and asked a question i already answered" ([post=#p11364905]426[/post]) which generally might appear scummy but isn't really a reason to sort someone as scum.
essentially: eth0s was lynchbait (sry) and i don't think penguin was un-confident enough on that push to be town

if you don't agree w that last paragraph its ok i kinda disagree with myself a little. but tell me what you think on the rest pls.

tldr; penguin isn't genuinely trying to convince people to vote his scumreads which i think is unusual as town who seems to be presenting their own reads as very strong

Is this it @january? I couldn’t find any 1462 post by you.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

january I am somewhat paranoid about your slot and honestly it's because you don't really have any scum reads

that's fair but i usually never have scumreads, only townreads and non-townreads

and i do think everyone HAS had a few towny posts which is kinda why im struggling

but....
here's my penguin case (sorry it's long, tldr is at the bottom)

Spoiler:

spends first 20-ish posts with one-liners (mostly NAI at this point, just a different style of play)

I townread you, Dann.

this is the first read he has and it's not really justified or explained. that'd be fine normally especially since dann WAS towny. but i still feel like up to this point penguin's been extremely low-energy
same applies past this point too, but i think the general thing that stands out to me is penguin's reactive-ness. majority of posts are like 1 or 2 sentences reaction to other people's posts or gifs (love the gifs btw, just don't think they're particularly towny)

Last Night Tomorrow

i feel like penguin's reads this game lacked reasoning behind them. wasn't sure if this was just a habit of play, or an actual scum play. i compared it to the game pyrrha mentioned (viewtopic.php?f=56&t=78060) and i think he actually does give justifications for why he's trying to lynch people in that game.
basically: penguin's reads are phrased as very strong reads but i feel like if town!penguin genuinely wanted a scumread to be lynched, he'd be giving reasons and actually trying to convince people

from what i can tell, 433 is the only real reasoning that penguin has made for a read/lynch

oh and i realize that my read on eth0s is quite different than the majority of people's read, but i think penguin's push on him can be read as pushing a scummy player without genuinely attempting to classify them. the stuff he used as reasoning for the FOS were things like "eth0s didn't read and asked a question i already answered" ([post=#p11364905]426[/post]) which generally might appear scummy but isn't really a reason to sort someone as scum.
essentially: eth0s was lynchbait (sry) and i don't think penguin was un-confident enough on that push to be town

if you don't agree w that last paragraph its ok i kinda disagree with myself a little. but tell me what you think on the rest pls.

tldr; penguin isn't genuinely trying to convince people to vote his scumreads which i think is unusual as town who seems to be presenting their own reads as very strong

I mean 1452, obviously.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

january I am somewhat paranoid about your slot and honestly it's because you don't really have any scum reads

that's fair but i usually never have scumreads, only townreads and non-townreads

and i do think everyone HAS had a few towny posts which is kinda why im struggling

but....
here's my penguin case (sorry it's long, tldr is at the bottom)

Spoiler:

spends first 20-ish posts with one-liners (mostly NAI at this point, just a different style of play)

I townread you, Dann.

this is the first read he has and it's not really justified or explained. that'd be fine normally especially since dann WAS towny. but i still feel like up to this point penguin's been extremely low-energy
same applies past this point too, but i think the general thing that stands out to me is penguin's reactive-ness. majority of posts are like 1 or 2 sentences reaction to other people's posts or gifs (love the gifs btw, just don't think they're particularly towny)

Last Night Tomorrow

i feel like penguin's reads this game lacked reasoning behind them. wasn't sure if this was just a habit of play, or an actual scum play. i compared it to the game pyrrha mentioned (viewtopic.php?f=56&t=78060) and i think he actually does give justifications for why he's trying to lynch people in that game.
basically: penguin's reads are phrased as very strong reads but i feel like if town!penguin genuinely wanted a scumread to be lynched, he'd be giving reasons and actually trying to convince people

from what i can tell, 433 is the only real reasoning that penguin has made for a read/lynch

oh and i realize that my read on eth0s is quite different than the majority of people's read, but i think penguin's push on him can be read as pushing a scummy player without genuinely attempting to classify them. the stuff he used as reasoning for the FOS were things like "eth0s didn't read and asked a question i already answered" ([post=#p11364905]426[/post]) which generally might appear scummy but isn't really a reason to sort someone as scum.
essentially: eth0s was lynchbait (sry) and i don't think penguin was un-confident enough on that push to be town

if you don't agree w that last paragraph its ok i kinda disagree with myself a little. but tell me what you think on the rest pls.

tldr; penguin isn't genuinely trying to convince people to vote his scumreads which i think is unusual as town who seems to be presenting their own reads as very strong

I mean 1452, obviously.

I don’t agree with this btw. I think he has been sorting. He also unvoted Banaki based os sorting and I also liked him not automatically sheeping Dann by jumping on Gamma before sheep was even lynched.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I don’t know how you can honestly read his ISO and say he’s not sorting? I wanted to find quotes but there’s lots contradicting this.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

no wtf where did i say i hard tr banakai

and lol i’m not the one who puts clears in my townreads that’s someone else

u and dann are my townreads like i said forever ago. and i would have told you if that changed

i think you’re interpreting me arguing with you or dann as a scumread on you, but it’s not...

No, you haven’t sr me since you replaced in, which is one of the reasons I unvoted. I know that I disagree with you on Penguin, he very clearly has been sorting this game, so your confidence on him being scum, is definitely baffling to me.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

responding to all of gamma’s stuff, sorry quoting doesn’t work on mobile so it’s just a big block of stuff
—————
i did explain the reads i think? they definitely changed since then but if you have questions on a specific read it’d be easier to explain

i can show u the quotes i liked. i townread him more for the “what” and i think his delivery was just perceived as weaker? idk how to explain it exactly but i’ll find the quotes

can also explain this in more detail. but i think i just townread everyone else more than you. i made a list of reads and i had at least one post that i was like “i’m pretty sure this person is town” for everyone except u. clearly that was wrong but at the time it seemed valid to me

yeah i was annoyed and i kinda still am. self meta but i do it more as town. it frustrates me when i get scumread for something that isn’t even scummy. won’t say more just cuz... don’t say things when you’re annoyed right

no i think both of u misinterpreted my point. i said that DANN would not immediately scumread me if i said i sr him. the hypothetical has nothing to do with pyrrha, it was just me criticizing her response by comparing it with how someone else might respond. i’m quite aware that pyrrha would probably respond the same if i was to scumread dann

eth0s had one particular post that was Very Towny to me, i’ll find it. sure i think he was probably stronger early d1 than the rest but at that point i had set him aside as town already. don’t see how having this read makes me scum and i can’t be that bad at making reads if it’s right...

eth0s is confitown as is Gamma. We don’t need either of them sorted.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

lynched asap

I think Dann unvoted for a reason.
UNVOTE:
I will hammer if we get <3 days before DL.

dann unvoted so they wouldn't be at L-1. your unvote gives me the heebie jeebies

btw january I understand how you feel about penguin and I'm not too convinced on him either but I think you should justgo with the grain and lynch banakai if ur town because penguin just flat out isnt getting lynched today regardless of what you want.

I don’t know why BS unvoted either but I don’t see how that’s in any way scum indicative?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

This was expected.

I’m the Firefighter. I targeted Pyrrha N1 and Dann N2. I knew my claim would confirm me so I felt comfortable wagering my life there, and FYI if we had a townflip instead I still would have claimed, except i would have advocated for mass claim.

Good.

Doused Dann N1 and Pyrrha N2

.

Gamma claiming to target me over Dann N1 is sus, because no one was more obvtown than Dann D1. This reads more like, FF probably is probably saving Dann, so Pyrrha is likely ignitable.

Yeah, it’s Gamma. That fake Ff claim was pretty ballsy. Did you seriously not think you’d not get CC’d?

Btw
If it wasn’t clear already, Pyrrha is town. I don’t see her talking so certainly about my scumflip in these instances if she is scum.

Ftr, in future games I’m definitely trusting Dann’s reads on sheep and probably ignoring his reads on you.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

no you really just ignored the rest of that post lol

the case was to CHALLENGE the weird townread on you. when i started the case i was only wary of you

and then when i made the case it convinced me that you were maf

but keep taking things out of context lol

I will acknowledge that his meta argument about scum!him hardbussing sheep is weak but you’re definitely not correct about him not sorting, so I still think he’s very clearly town.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

preferably not me after i’ve towntold a lot

and yes i would like to lynch penguin but i know i’m not confident on that

(no that’s not scum setting up for a mislynch, i seriously don’t feel confident in any of my reads. i just have a gut read that banakai isn’t scum and penguin reads as scummier than me)

You really seem to have a lack of conviction here
You seem to be super doubtful of your scumreads and you are giving reasons that aren’t very strong
This kinda doesn’t mesh with the confident persons you have been putting forward imo

That’s precisely why I referenced your post re: Penguin as an example, because at the time you made it, it was clearly an accurate read on him and definitely non-agenay.

So, that’s what’s also concerning me about january, I really cannot tell whether she has conviction on Penguin being scum or not. Problem for me is Banaki isn’t playing. If I could clear him, it would make this a lot easier. Her preferring Pengin over Banaki is probably what concerns me the most because why would we want to lynch an active player who is very clearly sortable over one who refuses to help us correctly read him? So, that is the most concerning part of this for me. She is saying me and Dann are her strongest tr, so why is she so opposed to Banaki being lynched here? It’s very clear that whatever he is, he is dangerous to have in LYLO, so why isn’t she acknowledging this?

Like if we lynch january today and game doesn’t end, I am 100% powerlynching Banaki and I’m also not happy that Penguin would prefer BS over Banaki but at least he gave a valid albeit not the best reason for that.

I dunno, I’m still torn between january and Banaki. Her case on him doesn’t really make sense but is it scum indicative or not? I still can’t tell.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

the case was to CHALLENGE the weird townread on you

She actually stated this before posting the case.

The thing is the townread on Penguin is very far from “weird”. He has demonstrated plenty of conviction in his posts and much of it reads to me like it’s coming from a townie mindset.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

predetermined purpose? yes, to find out if there was a potential for you to be scum. dann quite literally asked me to do it.

predetermined read? no, i was just wary of the townread on you because i didn't find you outstandingly towny

there's a difference. i tried to make my case on you unbiased and if i had decided from reading that i thought you were towny i would have just said "i can't make a case on penguin bc i think he's towny"

of if you read as null to me i would have said that. i would not have just made up a read.

but instead when i made the case i believed what i found was scummy so that's why i called you scum

Pengin’s point about how you would view him as less townie than both Banaki and BS is decent. At any rate, we are definitely not lynching Penguin. I also think BS has been plenty townie today.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

oh actually *edit on 1667*
i felt like gamma made a read on dann a little too fas. they gave dann as a townread by post 99 and it just felt a little early to be sorting. maybe it was just me and my read method but i'd have been wary of dann at that point just for being too active (maybe?). not saying u should have scumread dann obviously but just felt too fast and lacking in progression

I was slightly concerned about Dann pushing Gamma as sheep’s buddy att, which is why I liked Penguin not jumping on that. I still hardtown read both slots.

I still think Banaki was frozen during sheep wagon and his read on me doesn’t make sense. Him saying I lead the mislynch on eth0s, just because I was the lead vote, still pings me.


VOTE: Banaki

[Pyrrha Nikos]

aren’t you trying to get towncredit right now lol

This doesn’t look townie. You haven’t come up with even a single reason why he’s scum. Banaki has terribad reason for sr me otoh but fhpov, it actually looks like reasons. You’re just shading Penguin with no basis whatsoever.

ok do you at least take this back then

I feel more confident on Banaki flipping scum than you and even if I’m wrong about that, mislynching you is objectively worse for the gamestate than mislynching Banaki. He is never going to become more readable, otoh, you definitely could be.

So, yeah I think eth0s is right here. Unless I can confidently scumlock anyone, Banaki is still objectively the best lynch today.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

jk as for my scumreads, pyrrha, BS is someone who I want lynched but im split on if he's scum, Psyche i was scum reading but I don't know about January now. Also in general I feel like after 2 replace outs that slots probably not scum because most ppl don't replace out as scum.

so honestly I don't have much. penguin I could maybe see being scum but I wouldn't say it's currently a read.

There is no way town!you should still be sr me here and you’re giving towncred to january

solely

based on on that slot replacing out twice is complete bs frankly. Of course, you’d prefer to have her in LYLO over me. No one needs a building to literally fall on them to see why you’d prefer her in LYLO to anyone else.

I think that maybe january is really the scum pocket and not Banaki. And shocker, his second strongest sr is BS. Can we guess a lhf who isn’t wrongly sr me for a thousand, Alex?

Like if Banaki winds up flipping scum and we lose this game because you all didn’t listen to me, I’m gonna figuratively be smacking some people post-game.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

at least january generates content and gives us stuff to form reads off of. That's a big reason that I prefer banakai today

+1

He 100% isn’t sorting here. He hasn’t honestly read my posting. I’m gonna call it rn. I think game probably ends with Banaki lynch and january is probably town.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@Gamma please unvote january and lynch actual scum.

I really liked her earlier posting and just because she’s clearly wrong on Penguin doesn’t make her scum. She’s clearly sorting while Banaki isn’t making honest reads. He hasn’t unvoted because he’s counting on that to keep him alive. He can’t even come up with a credible reason to tr january other than the bs reason for town not replacing out twice. He’s clearly hedging his bets on her, so anyone can be pushable for him. I bet the game on Banaki scum here. I think january is a mislynch.

The fact that we’re even seriously considering lynching anyone other than Banaki today is seriously whack. I’m just really glad I unvoted.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

lynched asap

I think Dann unvoted for a reason.
UNVOTE:
I will hammer if we get <3 days before DL.

dann unvoted so they wouldn't be at L-1. your unvote gives me the heebie jeebies

btw january I understand how you feel about penguin and I'm not too convinced on him either but I think you should justgo with the grain and lynch banakai if ur town because penguin just flat out isnt getting lynched today regardless of what you want.

I don’t know why BS unvoted either but I don’t see how that’s in any way scum indicative?

Actually, it’s very likely town indicative because I don’t think I’m wrong here and his unvote probably prevented january mislynch.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

sheep strikes me as a town but bad at it

this is a good read

i dont like it but prolly a genuine read

This is a really great way to read your buddy. This makes it possible for Banaki to push anyone’s sheep’s tr. I’m not at all shocked now that sheep was so chill about dying now. This was obviously the plan. for Banaki to be able to push sheep’s tr.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

1. Blatant Scum
2. Pyrrha Nikos
3. Gamma Emerald replaces RadiantCowbells
4. eth0s
5. sheepsaysmeep
6. Banakai
7. Pine
8. PenguinPower
9. Dannflor

sheep,

bs, pyrrha

, banakai,

dann

all some degree above null

leaving

gamma

, ethos, pine, [/b]penguin[/b]

I called it!. Who is Banaki pushing here? Me and BS and his initial push was on Dann. How was this NOT coordinated in their scum PT?

And who were Banaki’s three top town reads: scum!sheep, Penguin and Gamma.

Damn, I seriously think I deserve a paragon when this is over.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

im actually really confident in sheep

bs pyrrha dann

all villa

is the size of the remaining poe game winning

Sorry sheep, I outsmarted you here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I mean you didn't talk about why you found anyone else above null - and it's pretty easy to pick up on - so, no I don't really feel like it.

bs is twtbw and genuinely believes that everything he's been doing is protown and dann's analysis of hsi wagon is actually very sheepable

pyrrha was legitimately trying to sort me; this read is maybe a bit weaker pending them posting more

dann's content is well thought out and some of his content is honestly just.. like too good to be fake

i still havent gotten anything from gamma's psoting shrug

Rereading this now, for the life of me, I don’t understand how Dann thought Gamma looked like a buddy from this. It reads exactly like Gamma was clearly not a sheep buddy.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Would that one post push him above null for you? Or not enough to do that?

i wouldnt say i v read him but at the same time he's better than other nulls

if that makes sense


also i would actually like to know everyones read on bs

Clear deflection on sheep’s Banaki read to BS.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

dann can you explain v reads on penguin and gamma

Once again, Banaki’s 3 top tr. Omg, this was totally coordinated between sheep and Banaki.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@sheep

what i meant was that if i was a wolf theres no way i'd make a rash decision in calling to lynch rc for no game-specific reason off the bat

There’s the fact he didn’t vote there though. I feel like he

would

have voted RC had he gotten support. That part seems wolfy to me.

i disagree but i like this read from you

@sheep

why do you disagree with this?

I want this question to stand out because I think the answer is important.

idk what answer you want

i just disagree that he needed to have voted there

Well january is obviously correct. eth0s is obvtown from this.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yeah banakai's dann read is kinda ass but my hesitancy is that it's so against the general consensus

And Dann totally bought into this

[Pyrrha Nikos]

1. Blatant Scum
2. Pyrrha Nikos
3. Gamma Emerald replaces RadiantCowbells
4. eth0s
5. sheepsaysmeep
6. Banakai
7. Pine
8. PenguinPower
9. Dannflor

sheep, bs, pyrrha, banakai, dann all some degree above null

leaving gamma, ethos, pine, penguin

Would that one post push him above null for you? Or not enough to do that?

i wouldnt say i v read him but at the same time he's better than other nulls

if that makes sense


also i would actually like to know everyones read on bs

yeah banakai's dann read is kinda ass but my hesitancy is that it's so against the general consensus

Sort of think scum!Banakai just goes with the consensus reads instead of defending this

i would v read if he confidently defended instead of backing up saying his w read isn’t confident he just wanted to post it

VOTE: bankai

will go through him again when im on a laptop

Look at this totally weird progression on Banaki.

Sheep is first setting up Banaki to be tr, then inexplicably suddenly seems to do a 180 on him, to believably distance.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

pyyrha stop being preemptively cocky about "figuring out" I'm scum

[legit the only ppl who do this crap are scum

id vote you but again nobody else is gonna so it doesnt matter might as well get lynched[/b]

Ooh, for someone who gave up on playing, is suddenly tilted when I call him out on his bs.

We’ll find that out when I’m ultimately proven right, won’t we?

If I was scum here, I would have never unvoted january because unlike you who falsely bs accused me driving eth0s mislynch, I actually don’t want another.

Wrt to the bolded, I’ll 100% take my chances. I’m totally willing to die to lynch scum and you’re the ONLY slot I’d be willing to go 1v1 with.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

pyyrha stop being preemptively cocky about "figuring out" I'm scum

legit the only ppl who do this crap are scum

id vote you but again nobody else is gonna so it doesnt matter might as well get lynched

Ooh, for someone who gave up on playing, is suddenly tilted when I call him out on his bs.

We’ll find that out when I’m ultimately proven right, won’t we?

If I was scum here, I would have never unvoted january because unlike you who falsely bs accused me driving eth0s mislynch, I actually don’t want another.

Wrt to the bolded, I’ll 100% take my chances. I’m totally willing to die to lynch scum and you’re the ONLY slot I’d be willing to go 1v1 with.

So go ahead, keep lying and calling me scum. You won’t ever try to actually mislynch me, because once I’m stumped, you’re toast but hey go ahead, I dare you.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

yeah banakai's dann read is kinda ass but my hesitancy is that it's so against the general consensus

Sort of think scum!Banakai just goes with the consensus reads instead of defending this

i would v read if he confidently defended instead of backing up saying his w read isn’t confident he just wanted to post it

VOTE: bankai

will go through him again when im on a laptop

[bWhat happened in those almost 7 hours to change your mind?

nothing; the first post is an overall statement of disliking


talk to me about ethos? i could be convinced either way theyre somewhat under my radar[/b]

And again more deflection.

This is the second time sheep has deflected from answering a question about his Banaki read. First, he deflects it onto BS and now eth0s

.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

i have no understanding wtf ethos is doing

i dont necessarily find that fact scum indicative but in this case it bothers me somewhat

i still dislike banakai's iso

i think of everyone in the list he stands out as the most lacking in content/effort to advance the game or actual hard stances or reads

Sheep never actually ever hardpushes Banaki here, just enough to create distance.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

dont tell me someones pretending nancy can be wolf

psyche

nancy cant wolf

i mean that in the least insulting way possible but as an objective view of her emotions


if she was wolf, these walls would be.. wolfing

and she cant do that

I still think I wasn’t wrong about this. This doesn’t look like sheep/Psyche are buddies.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

does anyone have actual questions about my poe

i can try to find another wolf in there tomorrow but i have a history test to study for

Why are you focused on finding scum reads over town reads?

Why are gamma and Penguin in your PoE specifically?

Ding ding because they’re obviously not buddies.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

did anything change about banakkai

ye he town

I’m going to laugh so hard at this if I’m proven right. Dann got played here so badly.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

pyyrha stop being preemptively cocky about "figuring out" I'm scum

legit the only ppl who do this crap are scum

id vote you but again nobody else is gonna so it doesnt matter might as well get lynched

Btw @Banaki. I know exactly what you’re doing here. I did the exact same thing to town!Nos in Heroes. He was on me so I kept pushing him but never ever close to the point of actually putting him in real danger of being mislynched. Why? because I damn well knew that hardpushing Nos’ mislynch would hang me.

The only time I ever hardpushed town was to save Gamma in CoaLITion. I am not even in remote jeopardy of getting mislynched, so why does scum!me hardpush your mislynch here? No, only town!me would do this because hardpushing you would be absolute suicide if I’m scum here, which is precisely why you WON’T hardpush me.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

pyyrha stop being preemptively cocky about "figuring out" I'm scum

legit the only ppl who do this crap are scum

id vote you but again nobody else is gonna so it doesnt matter might as well get lynched

Blatant OMGUs btw. If Banaki was actually town here, he would realize that it makes 0 sense for scum!me to push him over january. He’s probably mad that I’m not pushing january, because it totally kills his bogus argument about my leading mislynches on town.

Because I don’t think I need to be psychic to see that he would find a reason to blame me if january flipped town, which she very likely would have.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

pyyrha stop being preemptively cocky about "figuring out" I'm scum

legit the only ppl who do this crap are scum

id vote you but again nobody else is gonna so it doesnt matter might as well get lynched

Blatant OMGUs btw. If Banaki was actually town here, he would realize that it makes 0 sense for scum!me to push him over january. He’s probably mad that I’m not pushing january, because it totally kills his bogus argument about my leading mislynches on town.

Because I don’t think I need to be psychic to see that he would find a reason to blame me if january flipped town, which HE very likely would have.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

jk as for my scumreads, pyrrha, BS is someone who I want lynched but im split on if he's scum, Psyche i was scum reading but I don't know about January now. Also in general I feel like after 2 replace outs that slots probably not scum because most ppl don't replace out as scum.

so honestly I don't have much. penguin I could maybe see being scum but I wouldn't say it's currently a read.

I have a lot of trouble reading that slot. I kinda sheep your though process but I think you should stick to your guns and try to achieve a banakai lynch first

Matter of fact I think banakai should just be lynched asap this phase has probably run its course and dann and gamma qont really be around for a bit prob

He refuses to even play now, so that warrants a policy lynch.

please stop botherring me for having a life. I can't post all the time. Even if I could, everyone thinks I'm scum anyway so I can't say anything that will influence anyone except to get me lynched. That's why I'm voting myself because honestly being lynched would be good for me.

pyyrha stop being preemptively cocky about "figuring out" I'm scum

legit the only ppl who do this crap are scum

id vote you but again nobody else is gonna so it doesnt matter might as well get lynched

Gee, whatever happened to your being lynched, “would be good for you”? Strange flex from someone actually wanting to be lynched?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

pyyrha stop being preemptively cocky about "figuring out" I'm scum

Ooh, for someone who gave up on playing, is suddenly tilted when I call him out on his bs.

We’ll find that out when I’m ultimately proven right, won’t we?

confidence is cool and all but i really do not understand how it doesn't bother you at all to be wrong on a read.

and sometimes confidence clouds your reads and makes you ignore evidence against you if its inconvenient

psyche scumread you for overconfidence yesterday. although i don't scumread you i do think you're overconfident (in general) and i wish you didn't go from "i'm confident player A is the last scum to i'm confident player B is the last scum"

and the more you push on banakai like this makes me want to empathy-defend him lol

Now it’s you who’s being bad town here. Sorry to offend you but he’s so obviously playing you here, it’s maddening.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

pyyrha stop being preemptively cocky about "figuring out" I'm scum

[legit the only ppl who do this crap are scum

id vote you but again nobody else is gonna so it doesnt matter might as well get lynched[/b]

Ooh, for someone who gave up on playing, is suddenly tilted when I call him out on his bs.

i didnt give up on playing

i do things in real life sometimes I'm busy and don't get to post.

and There's just not much for me to say in this situation where I know I'm gonna get lynched but ppl are gonna drag it on since we have a week remaining

I want to get lynched but I didn't "give up on playing" -- this is a game where after you die you are still around


also

seems like most of your read on me is based on the fact that sheep didn't want to lynch me ? cool ig

Scum!sheep didn’t do a damn thing without an agenda, so tell me why he wouldn’t?

Sheep wasn’t planning to endgame and was way too okay with dying. Now, why would scum!sheep be so okay with dying, unless he set up his buddy to endgame?

Now of the 3 players, who are most likely lynches, who logically did scum!sheep set up the best to endgame? Not BS (and for the sake of argument, let’s forget the he clearly obvtowned today). I initially thought he was sheep’s buddy rather than TMI town and later, so did Gamma.

Not Psyche. In fact, sheep by having him 2nd to last in his PoE, made his slot look highly questionable, by shading but never actually voting him.

Now, as I already pointed out in my sheep reread. He first sets up Banaki as town. then successfully distances him. The reason he never “found” the other wolf he was looking for, was because he didn’t want to. He wanted to set up Banaki and only Banaki as NEVER his buddy by voting him and no one else, despite subtle attempts to shade other slots.

Banaki was frozen during sheep lynch. Considering he had him as his #1 townread, his response as town makes 0 sense.

He falsely blames me for eth0s mislynch, despite knowing he was equally gung ho about it. That’s transparent dishonestty right there and no, he’s not just bad town thinking that. It’s an outright misrep.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

just popping in to say that I agree with a good 80% of what pyrrha is saying and I still think banakai is objectively the best lynch in every way

+1

Please wake up. january and everyone else the fuck up, because it’s starting to feel like I’m banging my head against a brick wall here.

@january, you are getting totally played by scum.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

pyyrha stop being preemptively cocky about "figuring out" I'm scum

Ooh, for someone who gave up on playing, is suddenly tilted when I call him out on his bs.

We’ll find that out when I’m ultimately proven right, won’t we?

confidence is cool and all but i really do not understand how it doesn't bother you at all to be wrong on a read.

and sometimes confidence clouds your reads and makes you ignore evidence against you if its inconvenient

psyche scumread you for overconfidence yesterday. although i don't scumread you i do think you're overconfident (in general) and i wish you didn't go from "i'm confident player A is the last scum to i'm confident player B is the last scum"

and the more you push on banakai like this makes me want to empathy-defend him lol

I need to trust myself more and not allow myself to be influenced by others so much, so fair point. I’m still right on Banaki scum though.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

pyyrha stop being preemptively cocky about "figuring out" I'm scum

Ooh, for someone who gave up on playing, is suddenly tilted when I call him out on his bs.

We’ll find that out when I’m ultimately proven right, won’t we?

confidence is cool and all but i really do not understand how it doesn't bother you at all to be wrong on a read.

and sometimes confidence clouds your reads and makes you ignore evidence against you if its inconvenient

psyche scumread you for overconfidence yesterday. although i don't scumread you i do think you're overconfident (in general) and i wish you didn't go from "i'm confident player A is the last scum to i'm confident player B is the last scum"

and the more you push on banakai like this makes me want to empathy-defend him lol

I need to trust myself more and not allow myself to be influenced by others so much, so fair point. I’m still right on Banaki scum though.

And you’d be very wrong if you thing being wrong doesn’t bother me at all, quite the contrary. I definitely owe eth0s an apology for calling him a woat, since he is one of the few people other than me and maybe BS, who hasn’t got drunk on the Banaki koolade. So, I’m really glad this is a game with stumps.

Also, Banaki claims he wants to be lynched really badly and that it “would be good for him”, so why did he get mad when I pushed him? If all of his self-voting and shit, isn’t really a gambit, then you would think he’d be 100% onboard with that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

feeling a little better this morning, still taking the day to rest/sleep

I’ll say what I need to say here tonight or tomorrow morning, probably tomorrow unless I get a lot of energy, so that I’m not stalling out the game

Thanks for waiting

The way I see it Dann, we can either end the game today by lynching scum!Banaki or we can drag it a couple more days with very probable mislynches on january and I don’t even know who else. BS is so blatantly obvtown by now, so I can’t even imagine town being stupid enough to mislynch him over Banaki.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

How is BS blatantly obvtown?

I haven't read too much so apologies if I'm missing something big

His play today has been super townie and he probably stopped very likely january mislynch, since I only unvoted after Gamma put her at L-1.

His response to sheep wagon makes perfect sense as town. You would totally expect town anyone to question why scum!sheep would hard defend him.

Tell me how that isn’t a helluva a lot townier than BS being completely frozen.

He’s clearly sorting and nothing about his play looks even remotely agenday. BS obviously knows based on his early play, he is never going to be the most obvtown read player in this game, so for scum!him to win, he would absolutely be pushing some agenda here, which he clearly isn’t.

If BS was scum here, sheep would have walked back his obvtown BS tr, to try to make him look less like a buddy, which he clearly didn’t.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I don't necessarily think Banakai flips scum but I'm not going to oppose his lynch I guess.

Dann do you agree with me that sheep was the very antithesis of your typical flailing survivalist scum here? If yes, then you think he was likely playing for endgame or to set up his partner to endgame?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

firstly - I have no real reason to think they are scum

again with sheep - reads seem genuine as town ( I called him "bad at town" earlier and maybe that was harsh), reads change but for good reason - no flip-flopping. Doesn't seem to be super confident pushing for someone to get lynched but doesn't seem to be slacking, non-committal, or flying under the radar either.

penguin - maybe mostly a gut thing. His posts seem actually pretty low effort, but to me not low-effort-scum. He's still posting a lot, even if a lot of it is jokes or GIFs ( I feel like low-effort style scum player maybe wouldn't want that. because then people get thinking about you) When he does vote he seems to have a reason. He applies pressure to people who maybe need some. I think I like post 549 - penguin would probably be someone who's meta would be good to examine, if I was a player who did that

If this is the reason you were tr Penguin, then that makes your shade on me for allegedly “leading mislynches on town” even more suspect.

These two things definitely don’t add up.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

id prefer pyrrha vote but it feels were not gonna get that until she leads 2 mislynches on the town