Mini Normal 2107 (Game Over)

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

I read everything before I replaced in and all I remember was 10 pages of not-actually-useful-content mostly made by my own slot no less so that didn't really help me.

If wake would like to come along and play the game I'd be inclined fo tell everyone to crawl down out of his asshole, but until he does uhh go off I guess. His L1 thing is NAI but if it's actually an excuse not to have his vote in play then I'm not here for it

Varying shades of townread on most of the people posting so far, yes I know that's lazy go away

[Elbirn]

I just woke up and 10 pages appeared, Timezones, amirite?
I didn’t like the TvT clash between sausage and wimp, (yes I tr both of them). About vork, I can see why he would be scum but last time I’ve seen scum!Vork, he was too obvscum to be scum and won the game that way.

This is terrible-posting

Yoink, I find it scummy that Saudade focuses on either wimpy or wake, just judging the other people on who they side with. Plank, why did you vote Vork?

I can't even decipher what you're talking about here but you've contradicted yourself some 10 posts apart. Wimpy v saudade is TvT, but now its scummy that saudade focuses on wimpy?

VOTE: Saladman

[Elbirn]

Sadalaman: I'm not happy with his contributions so far.

Down to wagon on: Looker, Sadalaman, profii depending on his answers.

Join me fren

[Elbirn]

I've seen town!salad be really inconsistent that way as well.

Oh please don't tell me saladman is mislynch bait I hate when I'm not allowed to push on people doing bad things because they always do bad things HaHa lol so randumb

[Elbirn]

You guys arent going to believe who my mason partner is

I hope it's me

[Elbirn]

I have a really bad headache I'll play later

[Elbirn]

I had UltimatePlank marked as scum in my mind but now I feel otherwise

Can you spoonfeed me a reason for plank-town? I have a lot of lazy scumreads and he's one of them, help me narrow things down friend

[Elbirn]

Lack of protest of the wake wagon falling down is noted. Any thoughts from anyone?

I feel it was opportunistic scum, honestly. When people don't have to give reasoning, anybody can jump on a wagon.

Finally, the wake wagon filled up really fast with a very small amount of resistance, and fell away as fast.
Whereas this looker wagon has some real resistance to it. People are either not commenting on it or parking their votes on people with just 1 vote. We need to pressure this slot more.

Join me on this wagon!

I would investigate those members on the Wake wagon. My wagon's experiencing resistance because: (A) The reasoning is weirdly selective - you target me over Element despite him having no content (B) The scum that jumped on Wake looking for a quicklynch would look hella scummy if they hopped on my wagon with no hesitation

[...]

So, here's the deal: I'll keep my vote on Elements until he returns or is replaced out; however, upon his return and input, I'm prepared to place my final vote of D1.

Based on your post above, edited for clarity, you should be looking for someone who was on the wake wagon who didn't then join your wagon.

1. Well who is it?

2. Why do you instead continue to have a bizarre fixation on Elements instead? If there was a time to move on over to bigger and better things it's with this post, but instead you posture about how you're going to move and continue to vote park someone who at the time wasn't even here.

[Elbirn]

Yea exactly, look at my post 443

Oh. Sorry my eyes tend to glaze over when I see long-posting and my memory is literal garbage. Please accept this as a pre-emptive apology for when I inevitably angrily demand answers to questions that have already been asked/answered by other people even on the same damn page. I mean well, honest.

[Elbirn]

Let me remind you all that just because your points may be correct and make sense, that does not mean that the case you've built will yield scum at the end of it

...... so how do we yield scum then?

Welcome to Mafia, where the rules are made up and the points don't matter!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Looker

[Elbirn]

Looker, both alimdia and I asked you essentially the same question and you took the time to make an entire wall of text without addressing either of us about it. You even took the time to *remove* my question from your quote wall while you responded to my point #2, so it's not like you didnt see it.

My vote stays until i have an answer. Stop dodging the subject.

[Elbirn]

Hold off on the hammer, I want information. Lot of time left this phase.

[Elbirn]

Looker, despite your uhh standoffish nature I can read between the lines and see where your head is at. That being said I don't agree with sitting on our hands for days at a time while you wait, for the second time this phase, for someone to come back from VLA before you play. California is on fire. Like, all of it. All the time. Saladman isn't coming back any time soon.

Why do you pick Plank over Saladman in this scenario? From where I'm sitting it seems odd that you're so confident in your plank read, and your stated reasoning is that he...sheeps wagons.

[Elbirn]

I think someone on that wagon should unvote

UNVOTE:

[Elbirn]

wow typing with capital letters so much effort imo

VOTE: Elements

new and exciting direction for this game wow so exciting

Why are you doing this exactly?

[Elbirn]

If wake88 flips scum Looker is scum as well

Based on what? Show me your big beautiful brain processes

Lynch wake get two scum, enough of this horseshit

Why are you even mad?

[Elbirn]

wow typing with capital letters so much effort imo

VOTE: Elements

new and exciting direction for this game wow so exciting

Why are you doing this exactly?

because looker is obviously stubborn and doesnt care to claim until he feels ready, and even if put to L-1 with intent probably doesn't give a shit on principle

i have problems with Elements' play and i think that's a better tree to bark up until we're collectively ready to lynch someone

also i agree with alimdia here regarding looker as the most independently scummy. i also think scum!Looker implicates others here too, whereas them being scum doesn't necessarily implicate looker

Okay
Cool
But what are the problems you have with elements play
That's the question I'm really asking here

[Elbirn]

obviously if someone pushes a wagon hard and that wagon turns green, you look at that person? you don't immediately consider they're scum, but you look at that possibility for sure

but he questions why we would do that, saying, "obviously alimdia is just cock sure"

like, what?

You will find that being wrong is not a scumtell.

[Elbirn]

Theres very heavy resistance on this Looker wagon

There really isn't. Everyone's chomping at the bit to get either a hammer or a claim and it's an easy place for scum to hide right now.

[Elbirn]

Looker, despite your uhh standoffish nature I can read between the lines and see where your head is at. That being said I don't agree with sitting on our hands for days at a time while you wait, for the second time this phase, for someone to come back from VLA before you play. California is on fire. Like, all of it. All the time. Saladman isn't coming back any time soon.

Why do you pick Plank over Saladman in this scenario? From where I'm sitting it seems odd that you're so confident in your plank read, and your stated reasoning is that he...sheeps wagons.

• I didn't think I was standoffish. Standoffish would be lurking and going V/LA.
  
• If you don't like absent players, consult the Mod; that's not my fault
  
• Salad's not in California; he's in Australia
  
• As opposed to being confident in alimdia's "Looker doesn't sheep wagons"?

1. You have a way of deflecting or approaching conversation in a way that seems disingenuous. I will also insist for the second time that you respect that other players go on VLA for personal reasons.

2. I'm not the one here who has a problem with people going VLA. My point here that you should have grasped is that you don't get to use other peoples absences as an excuse for not playing the game.

3. You know something you're right, I saw him mention wildfires and just assumed he was from Cali. Its immaterial to the game but yeah.

4. Your "whataboutism" doesn't appeal to me bud. I want you to talk about your scumreads, not deflect. Play the game instead of stonewalling, it makes you difficult to read and if you're town you should want my support on your preferred lynches and I've been really transparent about wanting to work WITH you. If you show me you have a thought process re: plank/salad then I can come around to a townread on you and possibly support for a lynch on one of those two.

obviously if someone pushes a wagon hard and that wagon turns green, you look at that person? you don't immediately consider they're scum, but you look at that possibility for sure

but he questions why we would do that, saying, "obviously alimdia is just cock sure"

like, what?

You will find that being wrong is not a scumtell.

I don't like that lack of accountability. What's the difference between being "wrong" and intentionally lynching town?

Thought experiment: presume you are town. There are probably 2 scum in a setup this size. 4 people are voting for you. 4 is larger than 2. Even if all scum are voting you, there are several people who are town who are simply *wrong* in thinking you're scum.

The difference between being wrong-town and scum pushing a mislynch is motivation. Read between the lines and try to deduce who has the motivation of uncovering scum and who's trying to mislynch town. That's the whole game.

[Elbirn]

This looker wagon is made out of players mostly having a hard time getting into the game who were awfully silent in the first 10 pages, odds are its a bad lynch and my wagon on wake is far better

Can you come up with a better wagon than wake? This game state sucks but I'm not lynching someone because "man play game bad, bad game play man badman"

What are your scumreads aside from Wake?

[Elbirn]

Sorry fam I don't have the murderboner that you all do

Also yall are way too eager for claims, maybe that's just how the mini normal queue do but it's bad gameplay

[Elbirn]

I mean gotta claim before hammer, I wouldn't say thats way too eager?

Also deadline in like 3 days, we won't learn shit without a flip.

But people have been insisting on a claim for *days*, even at L-2 and no intent. Playing like that is just going to out power roles and I'm not used to people being like that. In other games people would be shitting down each others throats for that.

I'll hammer over a deadline of course and Looker knows he has to claim at this point, but I have some misgivings.

[Elbirn]

This game state sucks but I'm not lynching someone because "man play game bad, bad game play man badman"

"this is also my opinion thanks for having it" - psyche

Plank are you Psyche, that would be rly fun

[Elbirn]

Okay I'm done playing with looker he can claim or not I dont care

[Elbirn]

hammerintent

Please hammer.
Friday is nearly over and he hasn't claimed

I'll do it I'm crazy

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Saudade

[Elbirn]

Elbirn why did you unvote Looker so easily at Saudades request

Also well done almidia - you were sharp on that scum read of looker

Because I am a team player

I'm inclined to think almidia is beyond suspicion with how yesterday went

[Elbirn]

Has anyone ever played a 11p game before

I’ve played 9 (2 scum)
And 13 (3 scum)

I don’t recall playing 11p recently so not sure if this is 2/3 scum

I was wondering the same myself earlier, I've been thinking that 3 scum vs. 8 town is too high a ratio, doesn't give town much breathing room. Like imagine that being the setup and town mislynching/scum killing every cycle: day 3 would be 7p mylo with 3 scum, 4 town, and 4 votes necessary to lynch.

[Elbirn]

Ali just because you're beyond suspicion and never getting lynched doesn't make you "confirmed town", hush.

Speculating over protective roles also isn't my thing, let's just find scum

I prefer Saudade over Plank, letsgo

[Elbirn]

Elbirn why did you unvote Looker so easily at Saudades request

Also well done almidia - you were sharp on that scum read of looker

Because I am a team player

I'm inclined to think almidia is beyond suspicion with how yesterday went

I pretty certain about Almidia as well

But I don’t buy the team player reason - you remove your vote at request of Saudade who, at the time wasn’t exactly summoning the masses to vote with him as the Wake wagon had been and gone.
2 posts later you were asking him to explain his logic so I can’t rationalise your position where you are following a player you don’t understand and calling it team play

Also - there are a couple of examples of you specifically not rejoining the wagon - as reluctant as Looker was to claim, there was a lot of pressure on him to do it. A lot of pressure = what the team want, but you think team play is not helping that effort

VOTE: Elbirn

Profi you're adorable dont make me yell at you

[Elbirn]

Let me give you an actual answer:

Saudade asked me to unvote so looker wasnt at L-1. I considered this to be reasonable. That's all there is to that.

As for not rejoining the wagon you should find that I am always wary of the day 1 "low charisma" mislynch. This game is a popularity contest, especially day 1. If you read my back and forth with Looker I tried to give him every opportunity to talk his way out of his lynch because I thought yall were whipped up into that mob mentality fervor over someone who wasn't doing a good job of being liked.

I wanted an opportunity to read someone under pressure. You all wanted a flip. *Big shrugs*

[Elbirn]

Anyone that speedhammers today must hang tomorrow.

Also no lynching is dumb. I'm pretty sure scum shot at me last night as confirmed town.

<3 protective role

Well I wasn’t going to say it but yes I would imagine you are right. I was trying to predict the night kill last night and I thought it would be you but I’m glad to see you alive and well

This also should not have been outed, please everyone stop claiming when it isn't needed

[Elbirn]

@Ali I wasnt blaming you, it was profi, he simply shouldnt have claimed just now.

I need to read again and do this all proper like but my immediate preliminary thoughts are saudade = scum harping on wake all day over engaging the looker wagon, Plank also looks bad but im worried they're the wrong for the right reasons type I detailed earlier. The whole being wrong =/= scum rant I did before, you know the one. I'll get back to ya

[Elbirn]

Eibirn talk too just voting me because i asked you to unvote on the scum wagon isnt good enough

That isnt why I'm voting you silly-willy

[Elbirn]

I suppose I could have been more clear about the fact that I'm voting saudade for doing fuckall all game except try to make fetch happen while ignoring the looker wagon while also trying to insist that looker is scum buuut we should vote out wake first because *fairy dust*

But here we are

[Elbirn]

Saudade who do you think is scum?

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vorkuta

[Elbirn]

Lack of protest of the wake wagon falling down is noted. Any thoughts from anyone?

I feel it was opportunistic scum, honestly. When people don't have to give reasoning, anybody can jump on a wagon.

[...]

I have a really bad headache I'll play later

Hope it goes away soon!

Finally, the wake wagon filled up really fast with a very small amount of resistance, and fell away as fast.
Whereas this looker wagon has some real resistance to it. People are either not commenting on it or parking their votes on people with just 1 vote. We need to pressure this slot more.

Join me on this wagon!

I would investigate those members on the Wake wagon. My wagon's experiencing resistance because: (A) The reasoning is weirdly selective - you target me over Element despite him having no content (B) The scum that jumped on Wake looking for a quicklynch would look hella scummy if they hopped on my wagon with no hesitation

Just wanna bring this up again / betcha his scum buddy was the mystery scum from the wake wagon who wouldn't jump on the looker wagon

[Elbirn]

VC 1.5

Wake88 (5):

Saudade, profii, Vorkuta, Zote the Mighty, Saladman27

(L-1)

Saladman27 (3):

Elbirn, UltimatePlank, alimdia

Elbirn (1):

Elements

Not voting (2):

Wake88, Looker

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-18 03:00:00)

VC 1.FINAL

Looker (6): Wake88, alimdia, Elements, profii, UltimatePlank, Saladman27 (Lynch)

UltimatePlank (2):

Looker, Zote the Mighty

Wake88 (2):

Saudade, Vorkuta

Not Voting (1):

Elbirn

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-18 03:00:00)

If my hypothesis is right then scum is in vorkuta/saudade/zote

I have learned nothing except that we should stay the course, thanks for reading

[Elbirn]

I'll be bigmad if wake is scum

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Wake

[Elbirn]

I claim even night tracker, guess what I got boys

VOTE: wake

Are these related?

[Elbirn]

Okay nvm

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Saudade

[Elbirn]

Sure nuff

[Elbirn]

If vorkuta had any info he would have outed it, I'm good

[Elbirn]

Profi is town

Just wanted to point that out for all the naysayers

[Elbirn]

Profi is town

Just wanted to point that out for all the naysayers

And why do you say that?

Because Profi isn't scum

[Elbirn]

Everyone except Zote has been online since I posted intent and no one seems to object so
VOTE: saudade

Oh good, saudade is this over?

[Elbirn]

@Saudade if you're actually town PR I encourage you to out any information you have that can help us, please and thank you

[Elbirn]

I targeted Profii last night with my Night 3 1-shot Jailkeeper ability.

And how the hell have there been no NKs yet this game?

Well what do you think happened?

[Elbirn]

Zote, Elements, Salad, Elbirn, and Plank.

You all need to contribute.

You posted this at ~4AM, I was asleep, bite my big toe

Also wake does not get to decide we're mass claiming

Also also Wake Jailkept his scumread and his very next post was feigned confusion over a No kill, even though the most natural town-conclusion would be that he blocked it, ergo he lies

VOTE: Wake88

[Elbirn]

Eve replaces Zote the Mighty

VC 4.0

Eve (1):

Elements

Elbirn (1):

profii

Wake88 (1):

Eve

Not voting (5):

UltimatePlank, Elbirn, Saladman27, Wake88, alimdia

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2019-12-09 02:15:00)

Hey Montosh I'm voting wake, not eve. Lots of E names, ez mistake

I'm not around to really play at the moment need to go grocery shopping. But I skimmed profi's post and he's still wrong town, wake tells lies and his lynch pool is, notably, now every single player in the game. Alimdia being a N3 ____ also means wake is lying about his role. Uhh hello Eve. Okay I think that about covers it

[Elbirn]

Theres no world in which theres a N3 Doctor and a N3 Jailkeeper

I also expect wake is the only person here who would no kill every night as scum

So I'm just gonna sit here

[Elbirn]

Theres no world in which theres a N3 Doctor and a N3 Jailkeeper

I also expect wake is the only person here who would no kill every night as scum

So I'm just gonna sit here

This is where I get really confused because in my head it makes sense but... the amount of times I'm right on setup spec = approx 0

Well I look at it like this, both roles do essentially the same thing. A jailkeeper is just a doctor that also roleblocks. I'd be dubious if both of them were claimed in the same setup. I am especially dubious considering they both have a N3 modifier. And I think that if scum had a roleblocker, fake claiming jailkeeper makes sense.

[Elbirn]

Did mod announce if scum can multitask? That could explain all the no kills

[Elbirn]

Did mod announce if scum can multitask? That could explain all the no kills

First flip was multitasking in the role

So maybe the 2nd isn't

Seems low power for a 2 man team

That must be what I was thinking of, thank you. So...if the 2nd scum can multi-task it's because of their role, not explicitly as a part of the setup. Having two scum both of whom have a multi-task modifier would be pointless, you'd just make that part of the setup. So it seems reasonable to deduce that 2nd scum can't multitask. I'm sorry I said multitask so many times. Multitask.

Given that deduction and that there have been no kills, scum must have an action they consider more valuable than a killing power. Rolecop has already flipped. Roleblocker....could be it. Hm.

[Elbirn]

Are you people gonna make me case wake?

I was hoping it would be really obvious to you all and I wouldn't have to, writing lots of words is not my forte

[Elbirn]

Okay I'll make you a deal

I'll do my best Elbirn-effort to summarize why its Wake if you can summarize why you suspect eve/salad. You may have already done so elsewhere but uhh I don't remember and I suck. Anyway if we do that we can compare notes and through the power of giving a damn we can actually solve the game instead of speed lynching people one two three break

[Elbirn]

Deal er...
You're not scum right?

I can be anything you want me to be bb

[Elbirn]

All I'm going to say is that if I get mislynched because people "couldn't believe" there'd be two N3 PRs then I'm going to say lynch Elbirn because he is Scum.

Notice that I am only scum contingent on wake being lynched

Because he doesn't actually scumread me

Because hes scum.

[Elbirn]

Yeah sorry not going to catchup but will develop more reads as play continues

I'm not gonna give you shit for this but I would recommend not replacing into games if you're not going to read them. 45 pages is daunting. I don't blame you for not wanting to read them. With that being said, joining a new game next time is probably more your pace.

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Elbirn If Ali wants to policy lynch someone other than me, now that’s a problem...

Ok back to Elbirn then VOTE: Elbirn

Okay how many mislynches do we have left cuz I'll burn this game to the ground just to get rid of these kids, I changed my mind

[Elbirn]

You have a case on Eibirn?

Just gut reads and a WTF after him trying to lynch me because he thinks there can't possibly be two N3 PRs in this game. Logical Town would understand it's possible.

"Elbirn is scum because he's voting me" isn't good enough

There are two night 3 power roles that do the same thing, they most likely do not appear in the same game together and you've claimed the one that works as a cover up for a scum role blocker

Meanwhile you placed the first vote on Looker day 1 so you couldn't be held liable for not hammering him after promising to hammer anyone day1 + attempt to take towncred for "pushing" looker despite actually doing fuckall

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Elbirn If Ali wants to policy lynch someone other than me, now that’s a problem...

Ok back to Elbirn then VOTE: Elbirn

Okay how many mislynches do we have left cuz I'll burn this game to the ground just to get rid of these kids, I changed my mind

Scratch this, I'm just pissed at kids for being bad at this game. If we lynch them both and they're town we go to 4p mylo, we need to just lynch correctly

[Elbirn]

Elbirn if Looker was my partner do you really think I'd put the first vote on him, keep it on, and make sure he gets lynched?

100%

[Elbirn]

Elbirn if Looker was my partner do you really think I'd put the first vote on him, keep it on, and make sure he gets lynched?

100%

Like, you know why?

Because then you get to say shit like the above

Despite not actually doing anything to ensure his lynch

And despite the fact that doing anything to derail his wagon would have been transparent as fuck, you can still claim you would have tried

[Elbirn]

Somebody talk some sense into Elbirn before he gets hammered.

ALSO, I would have you claim since you are at L-1.

I don't negotiate with terrorists

[Elbirn]

How can Elbirn’s spot be conf!town just because Wimpy repped out? Wimpy repped out of all of his games, not just this one.

Salad why do you scumread me? Give reasons.

Pedit: Profi don't interrupt me to say what I'm saying

[Elbirn]

Yeah that's cool and all but is Saladman27 "smart" enough to no kill the first 3 nights just to fuck with us?

[Elbirn]

nokilling the first 3 nights is a really dumb strat

why is there even discussion based around the fact scum might've done that volunteerily? they didn't

I'm not saying it's the best play but considering that we have two claimed protective power roles that are both N3 only and there are no counter claims, I am forced to conclude that there were no blocked kills N1-3

Meaning one of the following
1. Scum has an ability they consider more important than their night kill and they are not multi-tasking
2. Scum thought they should no kill for some sort of "strategic" reason that is beyond me. Confusion? Putting us on an even number of players is good for scum? Doesn't want to shrink the lynch pool?

I can't deny the possibility of option 1, I guess, but if scum is no killing because BIG BRAIN, who would have actually thought to do that?

[Elbirn]

The setup is confirmed to be 2 scum, and we lynched one of them on day 1. There is nothing stated about scum not having a nighrkill, which seems to be implicitly against normal game guidelines (?)

[Elbirn]

If Salad is lynched and flips Town I'd be OK with an Eve lynch.

Wake what actually are your reads I'm dying to know

[Elbirn]

Don't look at me I've caught the last scum and am waiting patiently for him to answer my question

[Elbirn]

Don't look at me I've caught the last scum and am waiting patiently for him to answer my question

You ain't caught shit.

I'm not a PEZ dispenser. You don't just press my button and a read pops out. If I want to give out reads, I will.

You're not gonna make me play how

you

want me to play.

Wake I need to be able to track where you're at. Reading your posts I can see 0 thought process, its just you stating that you're fine with lynching what would appear to be *anyone*, because you're not actually solving. I'm not "making you play how I want you to play"; I'm asking you to put in a bare minimum amount of effort so I can better understand you, which you...should only have an aversion to as scum.

[Elbirn]

Thanks profi I can't wait for another wake lol-hammer followed by everyone continuing to ignore him tomorrow

Dude can you just shoot me pls hurry this up

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Saladman

[Elbirn]

Ur welcome

I'm guessing you were VT then?

[Elbirn]

Rats

[Elbirn]

Only person I townread is Wake

But

why

?

[Elbirn]

It could be Eve, Elbirn, profii, or Plank. Fuck, it could be Elements too.

Who here thinks I'm Town and thinks Scum deliberately killed alimdia to doubt-cast my claim?

Wake literally listed every player in the game as "possibly scum".

How many times will I have to point out that wake has no reads and is very transparently keeping his lynch options open because he is scum?

[Elbirn]

Elbirn - should NOT be given a pass from the Wimpy wimp-out. His sudden turn against me in complete contrast to his earlier posts disturbs me.

I have never had a townread on you and your insistence that I have is a lie.

[Elbirn]

has wake even townread anyone at all this game?

Not that I can tell. He hasn't really scumread anyone either. He just is sort of here loudly whining for claims and being okay with any lynch that happens.

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Wake

[Elbirn]

You're all probably right but I'm mildly to moderately salty

[Elbirn]

Plz no voting until we figure this out, we don't need dumbshit happening.

Also that's not an alpaca..like at all.

[Elbirn]

Isnt that a axyialotl or quexacoatl or something like that if you ignore the fact that I cant spell it?

I need to reread day 1, looker especially, and so do all of us. If I recall correctly lookers hesitation to vote either of plank/salad was iffy and we were questioning it at the time.
I still don't rly think plank is scum but I need to solidify that

[Elbirn]

Never mind its wake I don't need to continue thinking it's just wake

[Elbirn]

Wake who is scum

[Elbirn]

okay so nothing else to catch up on

profii NK makes me skeptical of wake being scum tbh, even though NK is big wifom: it has little benefit for wake in any of the scenarios, and he wasn't in a position to make bad NK plays as a likely lynch today.

unless he just screwed up, then okay sure

Who else do you shoot as scum? Profi seems like the best kill from uhh anyones perspective

[Elbirn]

okay so nothing else to catch up on

profii NK makes me skeptical of wake being scum tbh, even though NK is big wifom: it has little benefit for wake in any of the scenarios, and he wasn't in a position to make bad NK plays as a likely lynch today.

unless he just screwed up, then okay sure

Who else do you shoot as scum? Profi seems like the best kill from uhh anyones perspective

maybe?

idk, why does wake kill them there?

Everyone here appears to be a potential mislynch; wake tried to float profi as scum and nobody bit. Several people including yours truly were against a profi wagon.

I think the kill last night was optimal for scum whoever they were; I'm not certain I would push that it makes sense for wake specifically, it makes sense for just...whoever scum is.

[Elbirn]

I don't think I saw a reason attached to Eve's vote on me, and I don't think her slot should be cleared because of Wimpy's replace-out. I don't feel particularly comfortable with Elbirn, either. Elements and Plank I feel more comfortable with, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's where the last Scum is.

Wake you confused me with eve. I replaced wimpy.

[Elbirn]

For all my issues with wake screaming for claims all game, best to have them all done before lylo. I'm VT.

[Elbirn]

I don't suppose anyone wants to play today?

[Elbirn]

Hi Elements hows it going

[Elbirn]

Idk who else hasn't claimed. Plank? I'd rather you claimed before him honestly

[Elbirn]

Below is every post zote made in reference to looker. I am still deciding what this means, I townread zote at the time, I townread the rest of his day 1 play when rereading his iso today, but I don't like his pushing against the looker wagon and I'm deciding if he was wrong-town or defending his partner. I believe eve replaced zote?

Spoiler:

Is there anything important I need to know about the Wimpy/Vork/profii discussions that have clogged up the last three pages?

I attempted to skim it, but it was obnoxious trash.

I have to agree with this statement and will not bother wasting my time reading through it.

Can someone TL;DR key points the wagon on looker?
I've caught up but I still don't get it

You have a reason for not wanting Looker to be pressured?

You have a reason to pressure him, cur? I don't really see the case against Looker either.

The only thing in Looker's ISO I dislike right now is his vote on Elements.

The only thing in Looker's ISO I dislike right now is his vote on Elements.

Is there a reasonable opposition or just a lack of understanding?

I assume you're referring to me questioning your vote on Elements, to which I'd reply that I don't understand where it comes from. Why did you vote someone who has been V/LA most of the day?

I just got back from slaying many great beasts in the caverns of Hallownest. They could not stand the wrath of Zote the Mighty and his appropriately named weapon, 'Life Ender.' I've heard tales of an arena where great warriors gather to fight. Perhaps I may discover this arena some day.

In the meantime, I will review the Looker case.

So basically the case against Looker is his lack of contribution or substance in his posts. Is that not very similar to the case that was against Wake in the beginning? I find it odd that the players in support of the Looker wagon were the same people who were against the Wake wagon are in support of the Looker wagon despite the similar reasoning.

I assume you're referring to me questioning your vote on Elements, to which I'd reply that I don't understand where it comes from. Why did you vote someone who has been V/LA most of the day?

Because the day's not over and input's preferred from everyone.

This is bad. I'm assuming you were aware that Elements was on V/LA and given that his V/LA was scheduled to be over long before our deadline is reached, I don't understand why you were so concerned about this.

I am starting to see the case against Looker, but I'm not 100% confident that they'll flip scum. I still find it unsettling how confident alimdia is in his read and if Looker is lynched and does flip green, that's one suspect for tomorrow.

Also don't care for Elements's or Plank's votes on Looker either.

I am starting to see the case against Looker, but I'm not 100% confident that they'll flip scum. I still find it unsettling how confident alimdia is in his read and if Looker is lynched and does flip green, that's one suspect for tomorrow.

Also don't care for Elements's or Plank's votes on Looker either.

Do you really think that if looker flips green that makes alimdia scummy ?

I mean the guys signature says 100% town win rate and it looks like he completed 1 game - he is just super cock sure

Potentially, mostly because I don't find the case against Looker very compelling.

I'd look into Plank and Elements too upon a town!Looker flip.

Also don't care for Elements's or Plank's votes on Looker either.

What do you not like about mine?

Your vote felt like OMGUS and had very little weight to it.

If wake88 flips scum Looker is scum as well

Based on what? Show me your big beautiful brain processes

Lynch wake get two scum, enough of this horseshit

Why are you even mad?

If wake flips scum then I can see why you say Looker is scum. But if Looker flips scum then the opposite doesn't hold true.
Therefore we should vote Looker because he is more likely scum independently.

This makes no sense. Explain what you mean by this. If you think they have a chance of flipping scum together, then why would the opposite not be true?

This is bad. I'm assuming you were aware that Elements was on V/LA and given that his V/LA was scheduled to be over long before our deadline is reached, I don't understand why you were so concerned about this.

I don't trust V/LA's - not blindly. It's too easy for someone to post bullshit fluff, go "V/LA", and then lurk while everyone else contributes perspectives to which we can hold them accountable. I just don't think it's a fair style of play.

Does everyone have to share what is going on in their life if they do go V/LA? We all have lives outside of this game. I, as a knight of great renown, slay many beasts on a daily basis.

One valid criticism that you could bring up is to say that Elements's play since getting back from V/LA has been lackluster.

VOTE: Looker

FOOL!

I guess I should not be surprised given your opening statement. But if this flips town, I will slay you!

Sorry I've been gone a while. I found a great beast in the depths of Hallownest and slayed it with my weapon, 'Life Ender!' I will catch up soon.

thoughts on wagons?

I am opposed to the Looker wagon. I think he is going to flip town.

VOTE: Ultimate Plank I still don't like this slot.

man idk anymore but wake wagon is not better than looker wagon

gonna need more than "wakemanbad"

what OTHER wagon do you want saudade

honestly id vote saudade over wake at this juncture

Fool! Have you even given justification for why you're on the Looker wagon? Based on your ISO it feels to me like you find Elements much more suspicious. Would your vote not be better placed there?

[Elbirn]

Plank isn't scum try again

[Elbirn]

Sigh

[Elbirn]

I mean I've only been yelling about wake for a few day phases now

I've brought up zote/eve slot as something to consider since zote pushed against the Looker wagon quite consistently

But I mean 5 day phases ago Plank made one post where he was inaccurate about your reads and apparently no content has happened since so fuck me amirite

[Elbirn]

Probably not, no

[Elbirn]

Plank pls come back you're the only person out of the 4 of you who appears to give some semblance of a fuck

[Elbirn]

sorry im in the middle of christmas madness right now

i think we should lynch elements and gg

What makes elements scum? I only see them playing poorly. We are all playing poorly. It isnt a scumtell in my books. Has elements done something scummy, had some bad interactions with Looker?

Do you think anything of zote pushing against the looker wagon?

[Elbirn]

Midlife Crisis everyone

[Elbirn]

I didn't mean it honest

[Elbirn]

Emphasis on being asleep having been made by looker btw.

Its uh not nothing but does looker act that cheekily with his buddy?

[Elbirn]

@MOD:

I don't suppose a bit of extra time due to winter human holidays could be in order? I don't think we'll accomplish anything in the next 24 hours

[Elbirn]

We need eve and plank to claim. Preferably in that order.

[Elbirn]

Oh. That's a hammer.

Cool.

[Elbirn]

Shoot me pls