Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)


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Post Post #2075 (isolation #200) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:30 pm

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Flubbernugget

rb

Sirfetchd

Something_Smart

AaronFrost

Xayah

skitter30

Kerset

PMysterious

wooper

Sujimichi

Luca Blight

nomnomnom

Billy Pilgrim


i coloured myself green accidentally so just pretend that's yellow
think on this and lmk your thoughts sirfy
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Post Post #2080 (isolation #201) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:34 pm

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In post 2076, Sirfetchd wrote:I think role cop is next to useless, scum know where the strong power is concentrated and town goes cool I can be maybe useful in a masjclaim if someone is claiming the opposite role which seems rough anyway and likely to be discovered anyway.

So yeah I don't think anyone doesn't pick UB. And I think anyone, scum included is mad to not pick up cop.
I think it takes a fair bit of experience/a particularly cunning mindset to come to this conclusion, as scum. I'd expect a lot of newbies to go ham on a full rolecop.
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Post Post #2081 (isolation #202) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:36 pm

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I'd actually feel more concerned he WAS a rolecop who was faking unibackup/cop to cash in on towncred but I think that plan comes from like, two? three? people on the list and I think you're the most devious person placed above aaron

and getting your top placing scum slot to grab rolecop/unibackup is dumb

think it's a townclaim unless he's scum with someone above him in the order who is also a fairly cunning schemer
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Post Post #2082 (isolation #203) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:37 pm

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Aaron/Smarties is nonzero possibility
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Post Post #2085 (isolation #204) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:40 pm

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i'm not really interested in previous runnings more than i'm interested in mindsets of players in this game dude

pedit: actually fuck i fucked up
aaron what were your submissions?
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Post Post #2086 (isolation #205) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:40 pm

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guys i'm leaning towards massclaim here.
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Post Post #2088 (isolation #206) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:41 pm

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i love ss! he's capable of some coaching, and is good at claims/mechs.
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Post Post #2090 (isolation #207) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:48 pm

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why did that take 7 minutes to check?
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Post Post #2092 (isolation #208) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:51 pm

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why did it take so long to reply then?
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Post Post #2094 (isolation #209) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:53 pm

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so you're around for #2077 then for #2079 two minutes later then instantly disappear in an exciting gamestate for 10 minutes, come back and just like instantly post your submissions? :P
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Post Post #2095 (isolation #210) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:56 pm

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i want to ask you some questions in realtime next time you're here - just yell out
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Post Post #2099 (isolation #211) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:58 pm

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i need you to explain why you chose those picks.
In post 2097, Kerset wrote:He probably took his time to ask wooper in PT how to respond.
he's dead silent in the scum PT it's just me playing tic tac toe with myself :<
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Post Post #2100 (isolation #212) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 1:59 pm

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it's a fine take, just not very useful; i kinda need input on my reads, not driveby shading
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Post Post #2102 (isolation #213) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:03 pm

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why not just vig, cop, doc, gunsmith, jailkeeper or tracker directly?
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Post Post #2104 (isolation #214) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:14 pm

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i would like to very strongly encourage massclaim :u
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Post Post #2105 (isolation #215) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:15 pm

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flubz, then smart, then bottom up
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Post Post #2106 (isolation #216) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:15 pm

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claims, submissions and results
happy to have a discussion if anyone strongly disagrees.
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Post Post #2108 (isolation #217) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:18 pm

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aorn my concern is that Aaron's claim is townposting but he feels like he's virtue signalling and coaching is absolutely not out of the question. it's either a townie claim or a claim which was engineered to look townie and i seriously don't think scum do this unless they've actually secured a more valuable power role higher up the chain. aaron is, if telling the truth, also now a full alignment cop which means a scum roleblocker will be parked on him if there is one. or he'll just be sorted via NK.

we're in 10p => 8p => 6p MyLo, there is enough time to softbreak this game via alignment cop existence

lack of scumkill ln and improbability of them shooting xayah tells me there's a clear or a guilty out there already

party time?

pedit: zing
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Post Post #2109 (isolation #218) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:19 pm

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kerset any chance of shotgun reads from you right now? your headspace is hard to track.
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Post Post #2113 (isolation #219) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:22 pm

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doc/rb shouldn't out their target yet, if we're massclaiming they should do it on their turn

hi adorbz. good chance of that this game.
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Post Post #2114 (isolation #220) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:22 pm

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In post 2112, Kerset wrote:What is shotgun read?
just hit me with your reads
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Post Post #2115 (isolation #221) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:27 pm

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{wooper}
{aaron} policy
{luca, sirf}
{skitter, kerset}
{suji, ss, adorbz}
{flubz}

if i work off this i'm ... a bit worried i don't really have solves involving town!aaron

i think massclaim increases the probability of the likeliness of aaron's claim and tells me if i'm solving on the right track or not

i feel ~opposed~ by sirf+kerset in a spiritual fashion rn, which tells me i'm either being pocketed by aaron/just epic failing to read him correctly/my treating aaron as town then entering massclaim is a take which other townies aren't reaching, OR 1-2 of them are scum - that's unsettling my solve.

a few TPRs should still be alive which is big gains
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Post Post #2117 (isolation #222) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:32 pm

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not clearing him at all dude. literally half way up the page i called him out for virtue signalling and feeling coached. i want to solve around him.
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Post Post #2119 (isolation #223) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:33 pm

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can you weigh in w any thoughts on massclaim please?

pedit: yeet ok
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Post Post #2120 (isolation #224) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:33 pm

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i'm kinda not comfortable with kerset shading everything i say and do without like . . . interacting with content
just noting for posterity, i think they've done townie things previously and i'm not feeling like reactive read rage, just kinda :U
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Post Post #2123 (isolation #225) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:35 pm

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kerset not s/s with aaron, let's put it that way. i think they want to see what people think.

pedit: i think my vca heavily implicates the front half of noms' wagon, but we can probably paint with broader strokes abt gamestate/scumteam level reads post-massclaim

also i may have misunderstood your 'opposition' and it makes sense if you just emphatically do not think that aaron is twon
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Post Post #2124 (isolation #226) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:35 pm

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SORRY i got excited about the lack of scum kill
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Post Post #2127 (isolation #227) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:38 pm

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problem there is kerset appeared to very heavily shade me when i started to float a world with town!aaron and accused me of s/s with aaron. that's a pretty peculiar scum mindset if she's scum with aaron. don't think they share an alignment.

pedit: yeah agreed
#ducksquad killin it
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Post Post #2132 (isolation #228) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:41 pm

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yeah, exactly. very few things are 0 probability in mafia tbf but it's a very odd mindset if they're s/s.

pedit: how is that your takeaway from this? :igmeou: my current reads are kinda fluxy

pedit2: sameee
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Post Post #2134 (isolation #229) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:42 pm

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you're a little tunnelled, leekducky
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Post Post #2137 (isolation #230) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:47 pm

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In post 2084, Kerset wrote:Wait do you guys imply that he wanted UB? Looks for me like "I will take this weakling as second choice in case someone takes away my preferred role, it would be lame to be vanilla".
This post is liek tickling the back of my brain
Vote on Kerset in spirit but I want Flubs to check in with his stance on massclaim. He can v much get the ball rolling here.
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Post Post #2138 (isolation #231) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:49 pm

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In post 2005, Kerset wrote:
In post 1972, Wooper wrote:you know what
VOTE: xayah
In post 1994, Wooper wrote:She'll be here tomorrow and the gamestate is better for this flip. There's been too much contest to a noms lynch, I'm not comfortable letting it fly until close to deadline.

Sorry if you were hungrily awaiting Xayah's catch up before d2 ended but I don't see any meaningful reason to let this phase carry on just for it
Wooper you showed concern about contest around nom but you are the one who jumped off wagon in order to vote alongside her. What did you try to accomplish?
VOTE: wooper
missed this is why you voted me - 1994 wasn't true I just wanted to see what would happen. nothing happened.

looking forward to those shotgun reads kerset
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Post Post #2139 (isolation #232) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:10 pm

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you're not unfairly tunnelled surf. I see where the read comes from. I just do not think Aaron is soloscumming his way thru massclaim - his scumplay isn't like *bad* and there's obviously a path for upwards trajectory but I think if he's scum here his claim was pretty well manufactured which is a level of "high cunning" I wouldn't associate with his skillset at all

if this makes no sense: I think he's coached, or town, most likely
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Post Post #2141 (isolation #233) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:23 pm

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In post 2140, Kerset wrote:Aaron is trying hard to prove that he is unskilled in this game, it looks like agenda crafted by scumteam to clean him.
Other players have pushed him into a situation where he's been kinda forced to present this image - who do you think the scumbuddy is forcing this? or do you think it's an attempt to pocket?

"selfmeta ergo scum" is also an incredibly surface argument - if you think this is an agenda sidestep it. how do you read his content?


I wrote this before reading the rest of your readlist and the number of mixed standards there literally made my head explode

just... reevaluate Aaron in detail we can resume later
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Post Post #2142 (isolation #234) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:28 pm

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I like, only like your read on Adorable. Every other read there makes me worry.
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Post Post #2144 (isolation #235) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:42 pm

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Aaron is downplaying his abilities while.. forming reads....what does that tell you here exactly?
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Post Post #2148 (isolation #236) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:49 pm

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which actions are you talking about tho kerset
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Post Post #2149 (isolation #237) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:50 pm

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@aaron you are lovely, don't doubt that.
experience fills many holes - having the willingness to learn is overpowered in any hobby, forum mafia is no exception

tho your join date is like 3 months before mine :'<
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Post Post #2155 (isolation #238) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:02 pm

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SS you've been fine, I just don't feel confident calling your alignment at like a d3 analysis level
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Post Post #2156 (isolation #239) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:02 pm

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thoughts on ye olde masseclaime tho? bc I think it's like objectively good here
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Post Post #2159 (isolation #240) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:14 pm

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on kerset...they are clearly not trying to read the game and solve alignments. i'm on the fence about whether or not they are reading the game at all.

their reads are like... i don't know if i need to go into why they concern me
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Post Post #2178 (isolation #241) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 4:59 pm

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In post 2140, Kerset wrote:Flubbernugget wants us to think that he acted non-towny in order to secure his PR, this could be the case. His D2 was fine.
standard around how it is allowable for TPRs to act scummy in order to dodge bullets - i don't agree with this approach to reading flubz really because i think his low nk equity is largely due to him being busy irl - i just think he's...passively? scummy

In post 2140, Kerset wrote:Sirfetch is top town. S_S is useless, he deserve to be scumreaded.
sirf top town is actually kinda fine

ss isn't what i'd call useless at all, he's been playing the game he's just not easy to read in this gamestate. the language of "deserve to be scumreaded" kinda leaves this read on a strangely south-of-null spot given kerset apparently believes they've seen a scum agenda between the last two scum itt. there's no "but he still seems town", or "i think he's evil lurking scum if i'm wrong on one of {tw,aaron}" - just that he's underwhelming and should be scumread for it
In post 2140, Kerset wrote:Aaron is trying hard to prove that he is unskilled in this game, it looks like agenda crafted by scumteam to clean him.
i like to be vain enough to think if i coached aaron thru d3 i would've done a better job of it :pensive:

regardless this is kinda disregarding towards the game related content aaron has generated and is a read which HEAVILY works backwards; unless there's a specific meta tell here, downplaying oneself is rarely alignment indicative. aaron is donwplaying himself yes but it's like, a tonal quirk, not him excusing himself from playing the game or smth on the basis of being a lol so confused!! newbie lol!! - he's still been playing and the posts kerset quoted to illustrate their point abt aaron were like.....posts in which he is sorting noms while inviting people to reach out if he's making a mistake/missing things...... i think kerset is scumreading the townier parts of aaron's iso due to a tonal quirk and i have no idea how town!kerset has considered this and decided it's ai

don't let their join date fool you: kerset CAN town and they're pretty astute.
In post 2140, Kerset wrote:Skitter is fine but hard to read bc of paranoia around her.
this makes me think they haven't read many of skitter's posts... i am constantly paranoid of skitter but i think she's town here. she's just pushing town things. if you've spotted scum agenda and the rest of the list is kinda autotown that's totally valid but this feels like a really strange situation to hedge on a read in; if you're seeing scum in {woopz,aaron,?ss?} i'm kinda just wondering where the "I townread this but I'm paranoid so I might be wrong" is? "i can't read her because of paranoia" feels more like you just can't work out what to do with a read on her; if this is the case i'd like to know why you're holding back kers
In post 2140, Kerset wrote:Adorable has very very shallow reads but unharmful.
sets a peculiar standard against flubbz in particular but also aaron; if flubbz is town, scum ALREADY KNOW 100% that he is a town power role. him playing scummy is effectively entirely irrelevant which makes me think that there's a higher chance of him just...being scum.

i'd argue that adorable has posted townier noises than flubz but is deeper under the radar. i have no idea how you earnestly reach a position of "flubz is town trying to fly under the radar because he's a town power role who wants to use his town power role" and then also reach a position of "adorable is harmless but has surface reads" when realistically flubz playing scummy in this situation is just straight out scum indicative

double-standard to aaron's style as well: aaron has been transparently more engaged than adorbz with less-surface-level reads and yet his content isn't worth analysing for alignment indicators because ? he's pushing an ? evil scum agenda ? of trying to ? look townie ? for no reason ? - adorbz on the other hand is fine even tho they're totally utr (:

i don't dislike this read itself basically but in context it makes their reads on flubz/aaron look more positioned
In post 2140, Kerset wrote:Wooper planned this whole course of action for his personal advantage. All he wanted was to shine during massclaim, which he planned for this day but some things got his way. Xayah could clarify herself, if she would get time for it.
- correct at a mechanical level, it's in my best interests to be about as exciting as cardboard for d1-2 then up the spice factor d3. i'm a n2 vigilante. like...what do you expect? :P
- tEh EvIl ScUmGoD standard vs. nullread on skitter in the style of "i can't read her because i'm paranoid" is another kinda peculiar doubelstandard
- what were you expecting xayah to clarify? she was almost totally utr except when she was pushed and exploded to avoid a lynch - it looked like scumplay and unless she seriously started kicking ass lategame she would have been mislynched (except that we would have been suspicious because she was utr for earlygame then started pushing stuff lategame and would have pushed her and then she would have AtE'd and ? ? ?) - if you don't think my xayah vig was objectively very good and towny i'd appreciated
- what exactly got in the way of the agenda you're seeing?..what is the agenda you're seeing? i appreciate you probably think i'm steering the game. that's because i'm in the mood to, and it's mechanically optimal for a n2 vigilante to start kicking down doors on d3. i don't understand what agenda you're seeing and how you're coming to the conclusion that it makes me clearly scum at the cost of sorting other players thoroughly
In post 2140, Kerset wrote:Suji is kind of null read for me.
Luca is towny but i would take here the same approach as people do towards skitter.
these are fine but just too hedgy - i'm finding it kinda uncomfortable as i write on that sirf is the only townread you have which you aren't nulling/hedging on but that's kinda whatever
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Post Post #2182 (isolation #242) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:02 pm

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In post 2175, skitter30 wrote:also @wooper y r u townreading sirfetched so strongly?
since i'm allowed to know him: he didn't milk d1 the way i'd expect him to as scum. his d2 was a little underwhelming but overall nut scummy, just more underwhelming: i think his d3 has been towny and his casual opposition of me without compromising his reads is probably town indicative

it's hard to elaborate on off the top of my head. he's convincing me of his reads. i think he's pushing at points which help with AI content. he's not playing his ordinary scumgame (not a massive expansion of it, but still)

every time i question myself on it i come out townreaing him again


pedit:
i think that would be flub/ss/sirfetched
@skitter, remove flubb, add you/me
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Post Post #2187 (isolation #243) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:04 pm

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another point abt me/aaron conversation: if you think i'm scum positioning aaron to be the deepwolf, not having him milking a {cop>unibackup} fakepick there is tantamount to thinking i'm stupid >: (
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Post Post #2191 (isolation #244) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:08 pm

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In post 2186, skitter30 wrote:idk i don't think i have any meta on sirfetched so that isn't particularly useful to me; i don't feel like i have much reason to tr him from what he's been doing here
i don't think he'd appreciate if i answered that :<
he's a returning player who has a good scumgame and a habit of unapologetically lolbussing

in a vacuum (without me having meta basically) i can understand where the hesitation comes from i guess

does it help at all considering whether this is a returning player scumming, or a returning player towning?
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Post Post #2193 (isolation #245) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:09 pm

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In post 2189, skitter30 wrote:ya ok if aaron would be the {top scum} he's probably town, ub is a not the best thing to pick first as scum imo
exactly my thoughts

this is a big big part of why i want massclaim rn
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Post Post #2195 (isolation #246) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:09 pm

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the second nightkill? oh yeah that was me lol, i tried to shoot xayah and stupid autocorrect changed it to "skitter30" AGAINNNN
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Post Post #2196 (isolation #247) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:10 pm

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In post 2194, Sirfetchd wrote:It's a dece No.2 I guess? Especially if scum used al their their picks for info gathering. Depends if aaronscum is next to his partner. Can see it in that situation.
if it's a coached fakeclaim i'm a touch surprised he didn't just say he did cop>unibackup tbh
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Post Post #2200 (isolation #248) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:11 pm

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In post 2198, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2193, Wooper wrote:this is a big big part of why i want massclaim rn
I don't understand why massclaim would help you figure that out at all. Wouldn't you need flips from me, Flubber, and Sirfetchd?
i want instaclaims from flubz, then you, then an ascending massclaim.
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Post Post #2205 (isolation #249) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:12 pm

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flubz bc don't townread
you mostly out of respect for your ability to correctly navigate an ascending massclaim as either alignment ~_~
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Post Post #2206 (isolation #250) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:13 pm

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In post 2204, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2200, Wooper wrote:i want instaclaims from flubz, then you, then an ascending massclaim.
I'm aware. How does that help you figure out if Aaron would hypothetically be the highest-drafting scum?
i liek explicitly can't talk about that without giving scum tasty tasty breadcrumbs
:<

can't you see what i'm seeing?
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Post Post #2210 (isolation #251) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:14 pm

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In post 2203, skitter30 wrote:meh aaron's realtime with you is p good @wooper
i agree; only reservation is slow responses is +coach equity but it's nabd

other thing is if i was coaching him thru that i would have like nearly always instructed him to say he went for cop first slot, then unibackup with second - max cop utility away from top 1-3 positions is like a Very Towny Draw

he didn't go for something Very Towny; he went for something i literally didn't expect and a pick that just didn't really feel coached. unibackup is ++swing for scum, maybe just +swing including the bypass but w/e

i'd be more concerned he's fakeclaiming altogether and just isn't an unibackup but all in all balance of probabilities i think his claim is just legit
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Post Post #2215 (isolation #252) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:16 pm

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In post 2209, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2206, Wooper wrote:i liek explicitly can't talk about that without giving scum tasty tasty breadcrumbs
:<

can't you see what i'm seeing?
Not at all, no. If you think someone has crumbed information that might confirm someone as scum or town, why not let them deal with it?
because we have two nights' worth of info, two more mislynches before lylo, and having valuable conversations with nothing held back is much more valuable than leaning on town power roles which we don't know whether or not exist when the pertinent ones are dead/outed (cop via rb/aaron; i had one vigshot, perfvig doesn't seem to exist) :c
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Post Post #2217 (isolation #253) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:17 pm

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In post 2213, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2210, Wooper wrote:i'd be more concerned he's fakeclaiming altogether and just isn't an unibackup but all in all balance of probabilities i think his claim is just legit
You think the 5th place drafter whiffed on both of his picks?
i don't know what you mean by whiffed sorry
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Post Post #2220 (isolation #254) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:18 pm

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In post 2216, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2210, Wooper wrote:other thing is if i was coaching him thru that i would have like nearly always instructed him to say he went for cop first slot, then unibackup with second - max cop utility away from top 1-3 positions is like a Very Towny Draw
idgi, how is that towny. You know redirector is the other side of cop right?
it would be a very towny claim from someone following rb flipping cop n1**
sorry

redirector issssssssss fine, it's mostly useful post massclaim and particularly if there's vig/cop in play

there's better longterm picks at the top of the order and unibackup is really only any good for abstract towncred x_X i don't actually think it's a very good first slot in a falseclaim pick
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Post Post #2221 (isolation #255) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:19 pm

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In post 2218, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2215, Wooper wrote:two more mislynches before lylo
don't we have three? there's two more vig slots that presumably haven't shot yet.
vig/pgo appears to not be a vig
pretty sure i'm the only other vig in this setup - let me check
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Post Post #2225 (isolation #256) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:20 pm

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In post 2219, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2217, Wooper wrote:i don't know what you mean by whiffed sorry
oh I just mean he didn't get either of his draft picks and thus ended up vanilla, that is the only circumstance under which I could ever imagine him fakeclaiming.
well if you're scum in this setup it's kinda optimal to dress your picks up to look townie esp after you've fullclaimed

pedit: ahhh joat i forgot
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Post Post #2227 (isolation #257) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:21 pm

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sure except i don't think he's a rolecop at all
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Post Post #2231 (isolation #258) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:22 pm

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if i may be candid
i sincerely doubt rb was shot because scum thought they were the cop
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Post Post #2237 (isolation #259) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:30 pm

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In post 2232, skitter30 wrote:
In post 2159, Wooper wrote:on kerset...they are clearly not trying to read the game and solve alignments. i'm on the fence about whether or not they are reading the game at all.

their reads are like... i don't know if i need to go into why they concern me
they're posting is like so random and out there that it shoots past being scummy and wraps around the other side back to townie almost, if htat makes sense
that's my current worry, i'm just telling myself to keep scumreading so if it's t/t it'll become obv
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Post Post #2239 (isolation #260) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:31 pm

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we can talk about running a 240hr day phase game with 72/48 prod timers and only replacing after two prods within the same day phase (see: nearly impossible) postgame guys we gotta find the scumz
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Post Post #2240 (isolation #261) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:32 pm

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In post 2238, skitter30 wrote:it felt v evasive and like you were trying not to answer the question
i didn't find it all that ai
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Post Post #2243 (isolation #262) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:33 pm

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exactly
gotta work i'll bbl

no one do anything i wouldn't do

flubz should claim on next popin
kinda just fine if SS wants to claim first
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Post Post #2245 (isolation #263) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:36 pm

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except if we did an ascending claim you almost could :{
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Post Post #2254 (isolation #264) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:26 pm

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In post 2253, Luca Blight wrote:I'm leaning towards lynching Flubs before Frost, but I think we need a mass-claim to progress here.

I don't mind going first - I'm VT.
did not want this :{ :{
you need to claim your submitted brackets but like, not before your turn
we need to take the order pretty seriously, it basically freezes scum from lolclaiming slots that have been taken.



@SS, i am asking you to go early because people are scumreading you and i don't think it's correct. you're also in a position where you're good with setups and capable of coaching/navigating thru massclaim in a pypx/y. i don't want the wifom around having you as a scum prospect via solid massclaim.
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Post Post #2255 (isolation #265) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:27 pm

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i think you also realise we're kind of obligated to plynch you if you flatly refuse to participate at all right D:
like being the sole unknown factor while being one of the better mechgamers in the list is an incredibly dubious position
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Post Post #2256 (isolation #266) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 7:28 pm

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optically it's eerily close to openwolfing

big big part of why i want you/flubz going first
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Post Post #2258 (isolation #267) » Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:32 pm

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Yeah fair enough. Tbf I clutched an unpopular choice at #10 but...totally valid. Flubz/SS first. If they won't claim just work around then plynch them. ezpz.
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Post Post #2317 (isolation #268) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:33 pm

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In post 2299, Adorable wrote:Flub's Pgo claim looks like a scum claim. I would expect a town Pgo to play towny and Flub's play hasn't been towny. On day 1 he did not explain his vote on Kerset and he joins a bandwagon which looked like he wanted to prevent Billy from getting more votes and being the lynch target. On day 2 when he voted nom all he says is he is the 4th vote and on post #1742 he says nom is very blatantly scum that couldn't figure out how to transition from getting through D1 to having to start thinking about their motivations onward. I didn't understand what he meant by that and nom flipped town. His whole play has just been making town pr want to visit him and this is how a scum Pgo will kill a town pr.
:fire:

hi u guys not around much today, keep up the good work
has ss claimed yet? can't find it in a hurry
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Post Post #2318 (isolation #269) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:35 pm

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just did an iso dive
i'm fine with SS claiming last on an unambiguous crumb (i trust his ability to crumb well, unambiguously)

if it's ambiguous and convenient we make him something_DEAD
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Post Post #2320 (isolation #270) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:39 pm

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Flubbernugget {
pgo
, -}
rb {
cop
, ???}

Sirfetchd {???, ???}
Something_Smart {
???
, ???}
AaronFrost {b]UniBackup[/b], doc/rb}
Xayah {???, ???} - vt

skitter30 {???, ???}
Kerset {???, ???}
PMysterious {???, ???}
wooper {
n2 vig
, wooooper}
Sujimichi {???, ???}
Luca Blight {???, ???} - vt
nomnomnom {???, ???} - vt
Billy Pilgrim {???, ???} - goon


did you claim subs luca?
and finishing massclaim tmrw would be like, ok, but it's probably quite easy to POE TPRs here
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Post Post #2323 (isolation #271) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:41 pm

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it's also simultaneously
- a grab to look surface town
- not a valuable grab for town
- +ev grab for scum who is playing wolfy (likely to be checked)
- -ev grab for town who is playing wolfy (unlikely to be NK'd)

i'd buy it if he was like softing cop or tryna kick down doors or smth but he's literally playing scum pgo

oh.... SIRF STOP DELAYING >:c
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Post Post #2324 (isolation #272) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:42 pm

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who's the boss around here? huh??? wooper or farfetch'd at a renaissance fair????
i'm the big duck this phase buddy
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Post Post #2326 (isolation #273) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:45 pm

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In post 2320, Wooper wrote:Flubbernugget {
pgo
, -}
rb {
cop
, ???}

Sirfetchd {???, ???}
Something_Smart {
???
, ???}
AaronFrost {b]UniBackup[/b], doc/rb}
Xayah {???, ???} - vt

skitter30 {???, ???}
Kerset {???, ???}
Adorable {???, ???}
wooper {
n2 vig
, wooooper}
Sujimichi {???, ???}
Luca Blight {???, ???} - vt
nomnomnom {???, ???} - vt
Billy Pilgrim {???, ???} - goon
quoted for pagetop

adorable posting in massclaim is kinda passively towny
possibility of it just being {kerset, flubz} is... fine by me...
can't give a confident aaronteam solve argument quiiiiite yet but i will later in massclaim


pedit: big popcorn
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Post Post #2327 (isolation #274) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:45 pm

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wait no it's not pv/pgo is a bracket
ok let's keep movin
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Post Post #2328 (isolation #275) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:46 pm

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can i just say i'm so pleased low placing folks went for the vig roles? esp. if we're both town which i think we are. last pypx/y i ran iirc neither of the vig slots were taken o.0
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Post Post #2330 (isolation #276) » Mon Nov 18, 2019 4:54 pm

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... you raise a good point, well done
SS claiming last is fine if he's comfortable his crumb is great

please continue as you were. Sirfetched and skitter will be the sanity officers while i'm away
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Post Post #2340 (isolation #277) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:05 am

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my second pick was woooooptcher (watcher)!
Suji picks are actually full blown spicy

Why Neighbouriser over gunsmith? & why watcher over commuter?
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Post Post #2341 (isolation #278) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:05 am

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kerset you're indeed correct but I coincidentally just woke up
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Post Post #2348 (isolation #279) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:27 pm

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Flubbernugget {
pgo
, -}
rb {
cop
, ???}

Sirfetchd {???, ???}
Something_Smart {
???
, ???}
AaronFrost {
UniBackup (cop)
, doc/rb}
Xayah {???, ???} - vt

skitter30 {???, ???}
Kerset {???, ???}
Adorable {???, ???}
wooper {
n2 vig
, watcher}
Sujimichi {neighbouriser, watcher} - vt
Luca Blight {perfvig, n2 vig} - vt
nomnomnom {???, ???} - vt
Billy Pilgrim {???, ???} - goon


given Adorable is busy irl I'm fine with Kerset going first but probably prefer Adorbz before skitter.
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Post Post #2350 (isolation #280) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:55 pm

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That was quick, you adorable jigglypuff you!
if you were the original slot occupant I'd ask why the hell you picked sane cop and what the plan was w neighb/gs but it's too late for that

ok it's Kerset time
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Post Post #2355 (isolation #281) » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:24 pm

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we need massclaim done asap imo
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Post Post #2372 (isolation #282) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:31 am

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SKITTERTIME

why did you go for commuter and why not claim it earlier kerset?
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Post Post #2374 (isolation #283) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:36 am

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Aaron is not investigating flubbernugget lol

@SS don't care for your shading here dude, I don't trust Kerset so I'm going to get a dialogue going. you can flick back to all of the questions I've gotten to try and gauge mindsets so far. This is one of the less odd ones. What's bugging you about it?
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Post Post #2376 (isolation #284) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:43 am

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mhm I sure did
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Post Post #2378 (isolation #285) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:03 pm

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Preferably on page 1
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Post Post #2380 (isolation #286) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:10 pm

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it's ok, we're waiting for skitter to check in. fmpov commuter is a +scum equity pick over watcher so i guess i just want more out of kerset :s
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Post Post #2381 (isolation #287) » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:10 pm

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if concerned abt getting NK'd i'd have thought pgo would be a more intuitive pick and stuff
their explanation feels overexplainy
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Post Post #2479 (isolation #288) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:54 am

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Hi
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Post Post #2480 (isolation #289) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:59 am

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We shld probably lynch Flubz this phase pals
I know this is weak reasoning but it's +1'd by policy
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Post Post #2481 (isolation #290) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:59 am

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Actually it's not even policy. He's been playing like a scum pgo and he claimed pgo.
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Post Post #2482 (isolation #291) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:07 am

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Flubbernugget {
pgo
, -}
rb {
cop
, ???}

Sirfetchd {
Jailkeeper
, ???}
Something_Smart {
JOAT
, perfvig?}
AaronFrost {
UniBackup (cop)
, doc/rb}
Xayah {???, ???} - vt

skitter30 {
gunsmith
, n2 vig}
Kerset {
Commuter
, watcher}
Adorable {cop, gunsmith} - vt
wooper {
n2 vig
, watcher}
Sujimichi {neighbouriser, watcher} - vt
Luca Blight {perfvig, n2 vig} - vt
nomnomnom {???, ???} - vt
Billy Pilgrim {???, ???} - goon



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Post Post #2484 (isolation #292) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:20 am

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So just in case anyone didn't pick it
Sirf crumbed a save at the start of the day p sure before my vigclaim and followed thru w the Flubz guilty
Flubz largely lurked d1-2 (totally understand the reason he needed to lurk & hope everything is going OK - he's not the type of player to just lay back as either alignment - still a p quiet d1-2)

From a town pgo I'd probably expect like.. more effort to draw a scum NK? I think his slot had high investigation equity but pretty low NK equity; from someone with enough self-awareness to steer the way they're perceived at least slightly, I think this is scum motivated. see e.g. almost50 in the pypx/y I ran :P or at least what his plan wae

Few other reasons the NK might have happened:-
1) scum targeted Xayah (lol)
2) scum targeted SS (less funny but still improbable)
3) scum targeted Kerset (kinda pushing on lol territory)
4) scum shot Flubz (very unlikely

say probabilities are like, in the 5-10% probability range, the world where Sirf correctly blocked the scum NK is still the most likely by a fairly big margin.


By that token don't expect that sirf is lolbussing Flubz



I think SS picking joat makes a lot of sense. That crumb is indeed unambiguous. I can see town!SS copping rb who is almost policycoppable. This does give an alibi to the n1 kill but still not sure it's coming from scum

Aaron is town, happy to explain this

skitter I can see doing this as either alignment tbqh. I had a reasonably strong reason for thinking she was town yday but I kinda forgot it. I might need to reread some. Regardless the most concerning thing I *think* is how difficult her n1 result crumb is to follow

Kerset ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Adorable is townposting imo and those picks are loltowny and somewhat likely so I'm just gonna hope this read is right bc they're getting townier rather than less towny - actually I like Kerset's read on this slot

Suji ....... I'm not really sure this phase

Luca still very probtown



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Post Post #2485 (isolation #293) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:22 am

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oops I totally did
this is why you get the guy with a brain the size of an apricot to organise claims
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Post Post #2493 (isolation #294) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:38 am

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Flubbernugget {
pgo
, -}
rb {
cop
, ???}

Sirfetchd {
Jailkeeper
, perfvig}
Something_Smart {
JOAT
, gunsmith}
AaronFrost {
UniBackup (cop)
, doc/rb}
Xayah {???, ???} - vt

skitter30 {
gunsmith
, n2 vig}
Kerset {UniBackup,
Commuter
}
Adorable {cop, gunsmith} - vt
wooper {
n2 vig
, watcher}
Sujimichi {neighbouriser, watcher} - vt
Luca Blight {perfvig, n2 vig} - vt
nomnomnom {???, ???} - vt
Billy Pilgrim {???, ???} - goon
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Post Post #2503 (isolation #295) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:05 am

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In post 2491, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 2402, skitter30 wrote:gunsmith innos in this game aren't really hard innos; at that point i was still kinda scum-reading him on play but wasn't particularly interested in pushing him given the result, so he ended up ~nullscum

given the cop claim he's p much clear now tho
This actually makes sense if skitt thought there was a chance of me being a scum doc.

What was with the 'Aaron might be a N2 vig' then?
I was vig distancing ofc
you were like "let me survive n2!!!" so optically I get why it looked kinda like it from her pov
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Post Post #2504 (isolation #296) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:06 am

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In post 2500, AaronFrost wrote:
In post 2480, Wooper wrote:We shld probably lynch Flubz this phase pals
I know this is weak reasoning but it's +1'd by policy
Yeah we need to lynch Flubb. No way in hell am I ever investigating him.
I'd cop in {skit, kerset} personally, adorbs as outlier
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Post Post #2505 (isolation #297) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:07 am

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Don't clear skitter mechanically unless she's cop inno'd friends /o/
she's the deepwolf and she knows it!
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Post Post #2507 (isolation #298) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:13 am

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HARDCLAIM BLONDE IRL
that's a good pickup
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Post Post #2511 (isolation #299) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:00 pm

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In post 2508, Kerset wrote:wooper what did you think about s_s after d2?
iirc still like nulltownish but i was missing him by eod2
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Post Post #2512 (isolation #300) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:00 pm

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In post 2509, Sirfetchd wrote:Duck, skit and flub are like both super scum. We do one today and the other tomorrow. I don't think it makes a difference who which is why I didn't move agree skits claim. Both are like 99.99999999999 percent scum bc afaik skit doesn't suffer amnesia episodes and flub was the only blocked person on a kill less night.
yeah
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Post Post #2513 (isolation #301) » Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:00 pm

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skitz i'm less sure on than flubz
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Post Post #2585 (isolation #302) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:49 pm

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VOTE: skitter
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Post Post #2586 (isolation #303) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:50 pm

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you know that thinking thing? I did that backwards
skitter is scum
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Post Post #2587 (isolation #304) » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:54 pm

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In post 2467, Something_Smart wrote:Skitter didn't know I was commuting though. I could have been saved by doc or JK.

In fact if Flubber is town, then I was probably the NK target, which somewhat spews skitter as town because she knew I commuted and why would she gunsmith me and kill me.
uhh hold on someone look into this I'm not smart

I just think skitter is scummy bc my totally sweet soft went unnoticed and it doesn't really feel like she's been sorting me/like many people with much intensity this game

also kinda agree the treatment of Aaron post gs inno was a little sketchy especially like given e.g. her scumcase on volpe in lylo of that c9++ game which ended revolving around his uncomfortable handling of his alleged inno

blahhh idk
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Post Post #2623 (isolation #305) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:53 pm

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In post 2598, skitter30 wrote:
In post 2586, Wooper wrote:you know that thinking thing? I did that backwards
skitter is scum
Ducky sweaty i think you have approximately no idea how to read me these days
fine I'll have a shower and try again...
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Post Post #2624 (isolation #306) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:53 pm

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what am I missing fypov?
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Post Post #2625 (isolation #307) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:56 pm

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oh now I am reading page 105
UNVOTE: hold on a min new towncore forming aaron/adorbz/kerset
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Post Post #2626 (isolation #308) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:29 pm

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In post 2620, AaronFrost wrote:Am I the only one seeing Fetchd/skitter team right now? Like Fetchd blocking skitter is a bad move regardless of their alignment. UNLESS they're scum together and they're attempting to bus each other. Like I think Fetchd is smart enough to know that skitter's not going to be doing the kill after yesterday and that he's better off going for one of the VT claims.

And why exactly did skitter check Fetchd? There were better slots to check in my opinion.

The fact that they targeted each other does not feel like a coincidence to me.
Also crossed my mind but sirf lookin worse than skits/sirf
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Post Post #2627 (isolation #309) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:33 pm

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VOTE: Sirfy
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Post Post #2629 (isolation #310) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:35 pm

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tw > kerset
luca
aaron/adorable
sirf/suji/skitter soft PoE pretty sure this wins

Kerset if you're paranoid abt me I'd like for you to speak up pls
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Post Post #2630 (isolation #311) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:35 pm

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In post 2628, Luca Blight wrote:I have a plan
let's go what's the plan
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Post Post #2643 (isolation #312) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:04 pm

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v happy w that plan of attack
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Post Post #2645 (isolation #313) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:43 pm

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fetch is also like a full cop if we're in a world w/o scum rb
he's also the only one able to effectively mess w cop/gs results
still think we should lynch him :u
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Post Post #2647 (isolation #314) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:51 pm

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it guarantees 1-2 scum in {skitter,suji} so it's super valuable
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Post Post #2653 (isolation #315) » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:48 pm

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In post 2650, Kerset wrote:How can JK hurt us at this point? I am immune to rb and Aaron is basically deadman.
There's no gs false guilties left I don't think..? so we have two living ungated alignment cops. A roleblocker is a big negative esp. when it just roleblcoked one of our nearly-ungated alignment cops.
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Post Post #2680 (isolation #316) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:25 am

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Do you want to unpack what you're seeing in scum!me Kerset?
given proximity to endgame and the fact I like the PoE it only takes one tvt for scum to snipe the game.

I think my movements on d3 to clear Aaron VERY LOUDLY are pretty town motivated. His cynics dropped off after this and Aaron has become more confident and solvey after being softcleared by a massclaim which I strongarmed us into - I think I've consistently been working at solving and I haven't really given much of a toss how I'm perceived until you scumreading me this phase because it's too late for unaccounted incorrect reads if I can do something about them.
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Post Post #2682 (isolation #317) » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:08 pm

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Alrighty.
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Post Post #2698 (isolation #318) » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:14 pm

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Wait for skitter result, this should be PoE-able

fmpov it's usually skitter or Suji, I kinda think it might just be Suji lol. the pushes against Aaron were kinda getting old and the fact they dropped after he was draftcleared was interesting. but ig he was kinda clearly town contextually
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Post Post #2700 (isolation #319) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:55 am

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In post 2382, skitter30 wrote:i'm gunsmith
(my second pick was n2 vig)

n1 - aaron; has no gun
n2 - ss; no result
ACK I lost my quotes
Have this one

SS cleared rb n1
Aaron cleared Kerset n2
Skitter cleared Aaron/SS
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Post Post #2701 (isolation #320) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:01 am

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If we treat Luca as town
personally I'd rather treat me as town but this pends Kerset talking through their concerns
treat Adorable as p likely town

sorry for coaching but we're fairly close: skitter's result should be on Suji one way or the other.

I'm no longer clearable Kerset so if you need me lynched and feel better about e.g. luca+adorbs and sorting {Suji, skitter} we can do me today. We do me today tho. I'm not clearable. I'm not 1v1ing someone in lylo if you're going in with reservations.
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Post Post #2702 (isolation #321) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:02 am

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btw skitter v/la weekends so may be a couple of days. we should start other dialogues.
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Post Post #2705 (isolation #322) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:22 am

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I'm not uncomfortable at all my dude this is exactly the way I always am towards the end of the game when I'm not universally townread. :P

You're cleared and need to sort me more than you need to lynch me. Please stop shading so we can have an earnest dialogue?

Assuming skitter is town she will not die going into XyLo lol there's no way to verify her claim ergo she becomes an endgame path for the last scum

Final NK is much more likely {you, x} where x is skitter's clear assuming she has one
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Post Post #2707 (isolation #323) » Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:49 pm

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probably less likely than shooting player x I mentioned before

we shouldn't have this conversation Kerset, anything you say is analysable wrt telling whether or not you have a shot - don't reply to this.
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Post Post #2731 (isolation #324) » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:14 am

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for posterity I also think skitter has towntold.
no lynch plan is v good

skitter check me tonight imo, creates a dichotomy of either (guilty) {me, skitter}, (inno) {adorbs, skitter}
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Post Post #2732 (isolation #325) » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:15 am

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being in 5p that also means we can lynch the whole dichotomy

if Luca is the only deepwolf prospect I'm a happy duck
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Post Post #2733 (isolation #326) » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:18 am

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actually treating skitter as town she could check me tonight, check adorbs tomorrow night, which either draws the NK onto town!skitter clearing most potential dichotomies or gives us a final dichotomy of {skitter,luca} which are like both very readable
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Post Post #2734 (isolation #327) » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:19 am

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In post 2731, Wooper wrote:for posterity I also think skitter has towntold.
no lynch plan is v good

skitter check me tonight imo, creates a dichotomy of either (guilty) {me, skitter}, (inno) {adorbs, skitter}
I fucked up
skitter check adorbs, then luca
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Post Post #2736 (isolation #328) » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:40 am

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More likely than Luca :U
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Post Post #2760 (isolation #329) » Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:58 pm

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In post 2737, Kerset wrote:Why do you think that fetch would jail you n1? Or maybe he lied about this? Is it a thing that you are passive during D1 when you are PR? He could block xaya or me, we were shaded and higher then you.
:shrug:
JK trying to look town should target people they think are high NK equity and likely vt

idrk why he does what he does, Sirf is unique
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Post Post #2761 (isolation #330) » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:25 pm

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at a mechanical level it makes... sense..... to no lynch today and lynch me tmrw, I'm also wary that I likely look aligned with Sirfetched, so w/e
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Post Post #2762 (isolation #331) » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:27 pm

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I kinda lost the wim to passionately fight my lynch if it makes sense quite a while ago. I think I'm correctly readable here but I'm also misreadable and if Luca/Kerset (probable towncore) are both reading me the same way it's fine

Last scum had played well - I suppose it's Adorable, if cleared then just skitter
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Post Post #2776 (isolation #332) » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:35 am

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In post 2774, Kerset wrote:Don't you feel that adorable lacks of coaching?
I did but I am pretty sure Sirf doesn't coach scumbuddies unless they're like. in a crisis. adorable's main issue was she just needed to post more. everything she does post we're giving her townpoints for: to someone like Sirf I think he realises this doesn't require coaching
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Post Post #2777 (isolation #333) » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:36 am

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VOTE: no lynch glgl
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Post Post #2782 (isolation #334) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:25 pm

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Kerset. I think this is a better conversation postgame but I'm furious whether you noticed something. If you see it you'll know what I'm referring to.
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Post Post #2783 (isolation #335) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:26 pm

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curious

I could never be mad at you my friend
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Post Post #2784 (isolation #336) » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:28 pm

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If this is an inno, lynch me and then solemnly swear y'all will lynch skitter without blinking

If this is a guilty it's adorable => shitter

If skitter checked anyone but adorbs lynch skitter and we win
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Post Post #2794 (isolation #337) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:33 am

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Lynch skitter
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Post Post #2795 (isolation #338) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:35 am

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In post 2793, Kerset wrote:I hope I was right about n2.
VOTE: wooper
You weren't. My crumb was so deep but obvious I have no idea how you reached this conclusion.

You were kept alive over lurker!Suji, Kerset.

You were both cleared.

So why were you kept alive....? Because you were more valuable alive to scum than a lurker. That means your continued existence causes mislynch(es).

It's just something to learn for next time it's w/e. But lynch skitter tomorrow.
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Post Post #2796 (isolation #339) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:37 am

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In post 2785, Adorable wrote:
In post 2784, Wooper wrote:If this is an inno, lynch me and then solemnly swear y'all will lynch skitter without blinking

If this is a guilty it's adorable => shitter

If skitter checked anyone but adorbs lynch skitter and we win

(If this is a guilty it's adorable = > shitter) < That sentence is weird. I wanted Skitter to invest me so that I can get cleared. Only way I could ever be scum is for me to kill Skitter last night to prevent her from getting a guilty on me.
I agree! But whoever is scum obviously didn't shoot skitter, so. I'm working with what's happening rn not with hypotheticals.

If you're still alive tmrw also lynch skit
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Post Post #2797 (isolation #340) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 8:39 am

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also sry for typos just changed phone keyboard and it stubbornly autocorrects skitter to either shitter or splitter??? I'm going to fix the dictionary and train it now
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Post Post #2799 (isolation #341) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:52 pm

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if Luca is scum I think he could just shoot Adorable to instawin if you're PGO baiting
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Post Post #2801 (isolation #342) » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:53 pm

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sigh... Luca and skitter are guilty to each other anyway. Doesn't make a difference

Good idea
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Post Post #2873 (isolation #343) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:22 pm

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@SS I actually think we softguiltied Sirf via massclaim and only really left skitter alive so long because she was able to clear people

This game wasn't close at all, I feel mass claim was faaaaairly justified :P
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Post Post #2900 (isolation #344) » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:59 am

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Basically I agree
Xayah is wonderful and I'd rather be in a game with her than not
But
I had a strong non-TPR read on her. She was at the core of a fairly stubborn POE, and the other main target of the POE was Aaron who was softing a strong targeting power role.

It wasn't removing Xayah from the game quite so much as trying to offset the POE mindset.

Sirf/Skitter weren't people I was considering for the n2 vig so I think I did my best. :{
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