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[Garmr]

MariaR made a good point in post 117

She practically solved the game fullstop.

[Flavor Leaf]

I personally think Garmr’s reads are so wack he’s gotta be town here.

Similar to when I thought he was my traitor recently

Pretty strong statement to be making when your reads are all over the place and it's page 15

I don’t base off reads. I base off gamestate. Scum naturally try to fit the gamestate.

Also, that’s the epitome of townFL, just saying.

My reads are far more nuanced because of it, because of seeing all the options.

[Garmr]

the townread on her is not based on the way she plays anyway but on robb

That's the only reason she's on my town list as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

Robb replace out is NAI, and actually could even be Scum indicative if anything.

Rb replaced out in a very similar fashion against me once when he was scum early Day 1.

Robb is just as aggro. Don’t let skitter coast of that if she is scum

[Saudade]

Robb replace out is NAI, and actually could even be Scum indicative if anything.

Rb replaced out in a very similar fashion against me once when he was scum early Day 1.

Robb is just as aggro. Don’t let skitter coast of that if she is scum

okay can you stop talking about skitter for today

[Saudade]

the townread on her is not based on the way she plays anyway but on robb

That's the only reason she's on my town list as well.

why are you townreading FlavaL

[Saudade]

I think Dunn is town too hmmmmm

[skitter30]

i forgot to say i am very vla on fridays and saturdays, regularly

I will be around tomorrow night

Noted

~ AF

[AaronFrost]

VOTE COUNT 1.04

tictac [2]:

Flavor Leaf, Gamma Emerald

Wake88 [0]:

Skellen [0]:

Flavor Leaf [3]:

Non lmh, UnaBombaH, skitter30

skitter30 [0]:

Garmr [1]:

Dunnstral

january [1]:

Saudade

MariaR [0]:

Dunnstral [1]:

Garmr

Non lmh [0]:

UnaBombaH [0]:

Gamma Emerald [0]:

Saudade [1]:

tictac

Not Voting [4]:

Wake88, Skellen, january, MariaR

With 13 in play, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-12-21 22:10:00)

Notes

- skitter30 is regularly V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays.
- Adding a new rule: Prod dodge posts (like in 117) will not reset the prod timer unless it contains some game content.

[Garmr]

the townread on her is not based on the way she plays anyway but on robb

That's the only reason she's on my town list as well.

why are you townreading FlavaL

1. He town read everyone in the argument with Robb,me and wake. Scum would want to avoid this early on as it could bite them latter. Thought that was a ballsy move to do. But mostly gut.

I do want to know how he went from this

Saudade
Non
Skitter
Wake
Garm
January

With the exception of January, whom I was starting to naturally want to vote, which means she’s probably town, i have decent reasons to wanna town read everyone here.

To

Skitter

- Here’s the thing, I want to put Skitter below Una, but I do generally see townieness in her posts. That being said, SCUM SKITTER IS TOWNIE. People will go “Never lynch Skitter, she’s obv town” when Skitter is scum. She plays the “correct town play” when she is scum. I commented on my thoughts more earlier either this, how generally everything is townie, but then that one post, that one setup discredit me early. I think there’s definitely an above chance that she is scum. Also, Robb is the type to get angry as scum and replace out too, making the replace out itself completely NAI.

[Skellen]

So after reading this in one go the one thing that strikes me as odd is the high amount of people that waves the Robb/skitter slot through with townreading Robb's rep-out but on the same time bothering to outline not for skitter's play.

One thing I wonder is what the individual reads of those people is on skitter herself? (Garmr aside as I remember his read)

I also agree with FL actually that Robb's rep-out itself is pretty nai. Like last time I played with him he ragequitted too as town, but back then he said things that clearly would only come from town while his rageposts here were pretty neutral imo. What makes this rep-out so townie? I think the only one who actually explained it a bit more was january with doubting scum!Robb would react like that to an early push.

I feel a bit iffy about this, but more about the people who hand out these easy townreads than the skitter slot. Eventually I will look at that later when I have more time.

[Skellen]

Because as it stands, Boon just reeks of scum to me.

I might just be so rusty that is't back through paranoia-town for me before I can get to playing again, but the way I see Boon up until this point, it's as if he literally has a name-tag for scum!Boon.

What makes FL so obviously scum to you? Because until his once again god awful claim (I want to puke ) he didn't really pinged me in any particular way. Did his behaviour post-claim changed your read on him?

[Skellen]

Sup

I wouldn’t actually use this as a case ever, but like...this screams townRob to me for some reason.

This is really weird for me to think about potential scumRobb saying.

Just gut, and I’m hoping post game it turns out to be true.

I get that you said it was just gut, but why exactly did his greeting triggered you to townread him? (if I get that right here)

Like he literally starts every game with that if I remember correctly, so it is even more nai than his rep-out.

Also as I can relate strongly to personality based reads what would interest me is what about Robb's characteristics made you townread him in the beginning?

[Skellen]

January/Una/Maria is my early game solve.

Also why particularly Maria? For inactives PoE you could as well have taken me for that spot or any other with low profile.

[Skellen]

I have to sort some thoughts yet, but off the top of my head I have Saudade and Wake as townreads. Although I would like to hear from the latter.

Saudade feels like a pretty genuine read and I am mostly on the same page with him, regarding january and Dunn, so I like him.

As for Wake I liked how he approached the Garmr/Robb situation in the beginning. Also unlike Robb I think, at least intuitively, that him not doing his usual D1 stick with him not doing anything on D1 might rather come from town in a playerlist that seems to be familiar with him to a certain extent as I would assume most scum would just play it safe and stick to their old habits to come off as town.

I lean town on Garmr and Dunn. Dunn feels a bit like he is trolling in some posts, but when he doesn't do so he seems pretty reasonable imo, especially regarding FL.

I dislike Garmr's handling of Robb, even although it was mutual, but unlike skitter I think that was just Garmr being... Garmr, so nai. Otherwise I liked how he tried to get things started, I thought his push for Dunn in the beginning was solid. I also like how he wants to question FL for his turn on the skitter slot by himself, it was literally the one thing I wanted to ask him about his FL read once FL flipflopped with his reads.

[Skellen]

On the other hand I am kind of struggling with solid scumreads, there are some people like Una with his focus on FL where I want to see yet where they go from here.

I am on the fence about FL, if I wouldn't have the trauma from the past games I would probably have townread him till the claim (so it was just careful null). But this claim... not again please. I want to believe he wouldn't be so bold to pull off the same move again right after last game (and again this special focus on skitter and being so omgus-y) with at least me and skitter being here who would immediately push against him for that. It's again this setting up himself as the center of the storm that bothers me.

Otherwise I don't feel good about january. I can't really pin it down, maybe it's the tone, I dunno. I didn't liked her post in the beginning when she asked Garmr about Dunn. Admittedly I might have some bias with having some experience with Garmr, but I felt it was pretty clear what his opinion of Dunn was when he said how Dunn's answer didn't provided anything useful, so her question felt kind of pointless to me. And then there is #216, the need to give excuses the lack of reads is generally a red flag to me. I never get why you would justify yourself for that as town.
To be fair though, I liked her questioning of FL about his 2/3 townreads in the beginning.

[Skellen]

So that's the wagon I would rather go with right now.

VOTE: january

[Saudade]

Finally somebody who agrees with me

[Saudade]

Skellen is my favorite player in the game now

[MariaR]

On page 6 because I didn’t care enough to read the other 5.

Saudae and Jan feel pretty blindly stupid. I mean that in a good way though, like I don’t see an agenda in the posting. I think Tic tac looks pretty bad though.

Hey Skitt

I dont understand the dunn wagon

There's not much to get.

You know full well how those sorts of arguments end, in a full-on shitshow usually, so picking a fight with him seems anti-town at best and maliscious at worst

dunno why scum!garm wants to be a part of a shitshow.

Wait skitter is robs slot this changes a couple of things.

What do you think skitter?

This is the important part now.

^direction of curiosity influenced by available data. looks like real sorting.

VOTE: january
hang this lazy mafia

^probably bussing.

VOTE: january

dunno if you're serious about this but if you think he's bussing why don't you vote him (:

last time i played with him he dumbtunneled a partner throughout the game, and his choice of target was kinda out of the left field, so yea. I'm at least semi serious about thinking he's bussing now.

I'll totes vote for him if there's a wagon tho

pedit: agreed w robb/skitt town for now.

Stuff like this just feels like pushing an agenda. I feel like the reads are pretty basic. I get it’s page 6 and all that but still, it’s clear he’s competent enough to be doing stuff.

And reads don’t matter. Results do.

You’re right and wrong. Reads don’t matter in the point that anyone can have a read on x. You’re wrong in the fact that if we don’t explain the action of the reads we’ll be put in a shit show.

Everyone else in this game, I’m actually really good at reading, I believe, so plays will be made by players this game.

*Wink*
Can’t wait to see how you carry this outlook.

This gives me scum!Boon-vibes....big time

(If you haven’t already) Go on. Why does this give you scum boon vibes? This only seems scummy to me if skitter is scum. Even then, you’d think Boon/Flavor is competent enough for us to go back and see ‘Oh look he defended skitter!’ So even then I’m going ??? On why you think this is scummy.

[MariaR]

I'm going to igore robb, i think
Garmr feels a little weird on the first page, not sure i can articulate why tho

Ok this slot is town
Don’t see scum saying that about their predecessor

This is dumb reasoning IMO

It is, but it’s Gamma reasoning so it means something.

that's exactly what I would say if I was mafia

funny semantic thing but i feel like saying this

based on experience in like 8 games
town is more likely to say "that's what maf would do"
mafia is more likely to say "that's what i'd do

as mafia

"

not a read by any means but
i want it to be true

Out of context I didn’t exactly like this but with context it’s aight, idk if I agree but it’s interesting to think anout

What's the point of the 'out of context' line? Like, I don't get how that's relevant what so ever. In context is what matters.

Side note: Should I have read the first 5 pages or some shit cause idk how you people have these good reads already when I have exactly 2. 'What are they Maria' Shush.

January/Una/Maria is my early game solve.

Obviously I’m here because of poe but does that mean you have townreads on like everyone else? Of course you don’t. I’ve seen the stuff you post so that just seems inconsistent

Not gonna quote the thing on the bottom of page 10 by tik but it’s interesting to make given I’m scumreading both FV and Tik atm.

Y’all take pre page 10 stuff way too seriously.

Ohhh now I see it. It's just page 10 so your stuff isn't that serious right. Well, let's get serious then.
VOTE: Flavor

[MariaR]

I’m a cop. Gtfo.

*Yawn*

I was also L-3, and Saudade wasn’t on me yet, which would have been an implied vote. It was a good time for me to claim, and I was waiting for the moment. I was drawing the wagon in.

VOTE: Tictac

Pretty sure this is scum.

Although this is the other person I wanna vote even though I know your cop claim is BS. Your reaction was way too overblown. Whatever, I don’t feel like putting in the effort right now. If people can’t see the very clear conflict and inconsistently in your posting...
VOTE: Tictac


This game would be better if Saudade just stopped posting. Or like, posted legit content cause I’m ignoring him rn.
Okay FL and Saud just. Shut up this game has 400 posts and you guys are 200 of them. Like, just stop. Please dear god. Take a break or do wall posts. You make this game annoying to read.

I have a soft spot for Tic Tac after he told gamma how stupid his take on me using the word pseudo. My gut is telling me Tic Tac is most likely mislynch bait. That being said gamma comes off as scum to me Skitters prob town.

Looking back Skitter took a risk and scum read me when I was a universal town read to the active players. Her reasoning was awful but that doesn't just come from town. Gamma through his reasoning was like the worst I ever seen. Because at the end of the day it's kinda a joke and i'm not being serious. So what reason would town think scum would do this over town?

His town reads with flavour and sausade are easy to make as well.

Also after the last game I had with Gamma he should be able to pick up I'm town straight away.

This is pretty interesting to me. Mostly because I disagree with a lot of it. Hit me up Garmr we can have a chat.

MariaR made a good point in post 117

She practically solved the game fullstop.

God I’m so good.

Robbs replaceout is NAI if you know Robb.

Also why particularly Maria?

Reaction. I’m debating if scum FL puts me out of everyone in that list. Because scum FL is scared of me, but he should know I’d talk about this. It’s towny I suppose, but it doesn’t excuse his other actions.

[MariaR]

I could talk about Skllens reads but I'll do that later when I feel the want to play more of the game instead of catching up for the sake of it.

Bye bye

[january]

promise i'll try to make real reads... eventually

i'm just reacting to things and trying to get interactions i guess

FL can you respond to 145 whenever you have time

Your posts are very sweet january but being reactionary is a scum tell

it's really not lol

by reacting i mean responding but that's basically the same thing?

i don't get why you're just quoting everything i say and saying "that's what scum would do" but ok

[january]

Good post

"reacting is a scum thing"

lol this is literally just a bunch of... reactions