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[Frank]

VOTE: profii

[Frank]

VOTE: profii

VOTE: Looker

are either of these serious?

define "serious".

Was your vote serious?

[Frank]

VOTE: profii

VOTE: Looker

are either of these serious?

define "serious".

Was your vote serious?

Serious = had some reason for the vote beyond: lolrandom rvs

Mine wasnt (which i also thought was obvious)

Purely random RVS from me.
I wouldn't complain if somehow it helped me to read profii but the vote had no real intention.

[Frank]

What is everyone's favorite role to play as?

Jailkeeper or mason.

[Frank]

I really like the name Frank.

Hey thanks

[Frank]

[quote="In post 98, Kerset"][/quote]
huh

[Frank]

Hm frank seems disengaged, thats scummy.

huh

[Frank]

I feel nothing when I read the pops and skitter convo.

Is that a bad thing?

[Frank]

I actually agree with Bob in principle- if you leave lurkers to lurk, they lurk to detriment of the overall game

In my experience people will continue to lurk whether they're pressured to do something or not.

[Frank]

can i interest anyone in voting kerset with me?

yeah. They're just throwing shade in every direction.
VOTE: kerset

[Frank]

Merry Christmas

[Frank]

Usually I feel like I'd detect more scumpings at this point in the game but I don't really know what's inhibiting that. Kerset's the only thing I'm really interested in voting atm.

I think bob and profii are town
rb and gobble prob are

rest idunno. I'm not great at reading most of you.

[Frank]

I'm gonna re read in the next 20 hours. I really don't like my reads rn even though I've been reading pretty thoroughly but idk.

Is there anything someone wants me to pay special attention to or attempt take a stance on when I do so?

[Frank]

My wagon is so lazy

Kinda dont even wanna fight it if people are actually okay with the reasoning (or lack thereof) that's been given towards voting me so far.

[Frank]

My wagon is so lazy

Kinda dont even wanna fight it if people are actually okay with the reasoning (or lack thereof) that's been given towards voting me so far.

Is this type of attitude supposed to make us think you’re town?

I'm not trying to make you think I'm town. I'm telling you how I feel.

[Frank]

My wagon is so lazy

Kinda dont even wanna fight it if people are actually okay with the reasoning (or lack thereof) that's been given towards voting me so far.

You say lack of reasoning can you point any of these out. And why in those cases you think its bad

Well gobble called me out for bad/little vote reasoning and then basically gave the same level reasoning for voting me.

Skitter empty voted.

I think that's pretty self explanatory

[Frank]

can i interest anyone in voting kerset with me?

yeah. They're just throwing shade in every direction.
VOTE: kerset

I messed up phone posting - meant to quote this

you meant to quote 335 though right? like that's what you are asking me about?

[Frank]

Kerset - I want to hear more about why you went out of your way to trigger bob??

Because i saw a pattern. It was the most abnormal thing around there so it was worth analyzing. Aside of pops&skitter conversation, was there anything interesting? Rb had the highest amount of votes but they were all from rvs. It is quite sad that no one beside me recognize this pattern.

BTW You are a coward. Its cool that you make a readlist and keep activity but you didn't push anyone. We won't get anywhere in this game with gentle suggestions.

@Frank

You picked up on Kerset as did I - what do you think about this ?

On the surface it looks townie that he wants you to push reads but calling you a coward and acting like this game has produced enough content already that you should be expected to have firm SR(s) and be pushing them heavily doesn't seem like a natural viewpoint to have and makes Kerset look wolfy by suggesting it.

[Frank]

Bob idk how to answer your question in a way that doesnt have me full on casing kerset responding to like 10+ things they said because you asked me a very vague question.

[Frank]

Gobble why haven't you say anything about me so far?

I found your aggression earlier to be disingenuous.

Ok

[Frank]

Gobble why haven't you say anything about me so far?

I found your aggression earlier to be disingenuous.

Ok

What does this mean, Frank?

I thought they were throwing shade at pretty much every slot and you didn't like that. And your opinion isn't any better/more productive.

[Frank]

Bob idk how to answer your question in a way that doesnt have me full on casing kerset responding to like 10+ things they said because you asked me a very vague question.

What's the most prominent Kerset related thing on your mind

They start out the game by trying to make everyone look bad and have recently transitioned to just asking people what they think about them (kerset) while also making some really AtE-looking posts. I still think their stance on you is invalid and the way they interacted with bob seemed like a stretchy attempt to gain towncred.

[Frank]

Cool, BBmolla is locktowned and wagon speeds are still insane. The wheels are turning.

I've never seen scum profii before. Either this still isn't the case or he's really good at emulating his town game. I will not vote him today.

[Frank]

Either this still

isn't

the case

is*

[Frank]

Cool, BBmolla is locktowned and wagon speeds are still insane. The wheels are turning.

I've never seen scum profii before. Either this still isn't the case or he's really good at emulating his town game. I will not vote him today.

I take it weve played together and youre an alt. I got that vibe earlier from something you posted.

This is correct

[Frank]

Profii why do you think a wagon formed on you so quickly?

[Frank]

Cool, BBmolla is locktowned and wagon speeds are still insane. The wheels are turning.

I've never seen scum profii before. Either this still isn't the case or he's really good at emulating his town game. I will not vote him today.

I take it weve played together and youre an alt. I got that vibe earlier from something you posted.

This is correct

Ooh - thought this was a public alt. Sorry.

No worries. I'm just glad what you said about me is accurate lol

BBmolla is locktowned

Because...?

This is his town mindset. The frustration looks v real and unless someone can show me him doing the same thing in a scum game I'm going to just assume I am right.

[Frank]

Skitter made a case so that's that.
Gobbledegook just pocketed me as scum in our first game together so is probably a bit on edge / doesn't know how to deal with me I would guess but also agreed with some of the stuff skitter said
Pops has seemingly not agreed with me for a bit but I think our logic clashes a little bit
And RB for the lols if you made me give a reason but I've really no idea

All players who have low levels of experience with me too I would also add

You haven't played much with Skitter or gobble?

[Frank]

Dont think I've ever played with skitter
Think just the one game with Gobble - we were neighbours, he was scum-traitor and got shot by his buddies after I totally fell for his fake claim

"YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID YOU FREELOADING BENEDICT ARNOLD"

[Frank]

This is his town mindset. The frustration looks v real and unless someone can show me him doing the same thing in a scum game I'm going to just assume I am right.

ok

Not exactly the same, but also he was a rep in and it wasn't D1.

he's blatantly making opinions and asking specific questions in that game.

Like yeah it's still low post-count and not a plethora of content but his attitude and actions that game look nothing like this game

[Frank]

This is his town mindset. The frustration looks v real and unless someone can show me him doing the same thing in a scum game I'm going to just assume I am right.

ok

Not exactly the same, but also he was a rep in and it wasn't D1.

he's blatantly making opinions and asking specific questions in that game.

Like yeah it's still low post-count and not a plethora of content but his attitude and actions that game look nothing like this game

oh I didn't notice the rep out thing. I still think it doesn't look similar. I'll worry about him later if I have to. Right now my gut screams town and I'ma follow that

[Frank]

@Frank - he was in LyLo. That's why I specified it was different gamestate.

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81199&user_select[]=16026

more reads early on there, completely goes with the flow in LYLO. his lylo play there looks like his d1 play here basically.
I will admit I thought he was less choicey early on that game but I don't think that changes my overall opinion

[Frank]

no, i'm not relying on site meta here,

why do you think i am / why are you saying i am?

This wording feels kinda scummy tbh. Like she's too self-aware and needs to make sure it's so evident that she doesn't know profii's real intentions.

[Frank]

Either before or after the slash alone seems natural. Including both pings me the wrong way.

[Frank]

Yeah I think this is ideal. Even if I'm wrong I feel like it provides a lot of discussion for day two.
VOTE: skitter30

I'm also more concerned with the profii wagon speed now that I've had time to think on it. He seriously accrued 4 votes in a flash and I really don't think skitter's reasoning was compelling enough to warrant that.

I still dont love kerset either but I'm actually starting to lean gobble scum over them now. Lot of hypocrisy and convenient looking votes. I can definitely see at least one of skitter/gobble being scum but I kinda doubt both based mostly on how ballsy it'd be

[Frank]

Gut feels less sure on town profii than before, but the weird wagon speed makes me think I shouldn't doubt that TR.

I think penguin challenging my read on BB is townie even though I did feel it was strange coming from him

[Frank]

I'm actually kinda pissed because I thought reading BB would be simple based on the game I've seen him play in but penguin is making me doubt that a little. Personally still wont vote there today but I guess I wouldn't hate if he got lynched. I'd hate it less than a profii lynch I think

[Frank]

Yeah I think this is ideal. Even if I'm wrong I feel like it provides a lot of discussion for day two.
VOTE: skitter30

I'm also more concerned with the profii wagon speed now that I've had time to think on it. He seriously accrued 4 votes in a flash and I really don't think skitter's reasoning was compelling enough to warrant that.

Hey, i think my reasoning is p good

So you're voting me for being self-aware and for being the instigator of a wagon you felt grew too fast, is that right?

What did you think of the speed of the bbmolla wagon?

I still think BB is more likely town than not, and also didn't like that wagon speed. It's a lurking slot, probably an easy mislynch.

Also @looker and frank

How often, in your experience, do scum *start* fast wagons that arent close to deadline?

I've never paid attention, but I don't know if the statistics on this would even change my mind about this situation. For one, WIFOM is a thing. Secondly, scum often vote people with no/little votes. Whether it's vanity or wolfing (like trying to have a good position on the wagon for later VCA) it's definitely not something out of a good player's scum range.

[Frank]

It is weird to me that wagons in this game reach like 4 votes and everyone gets skeevy about it.

Next job is to consolidate all the wagons into one easy to read post and see who is doing what

Footy on so I'll do it in a few hours

Yes, incidentally you happened to have been on many of them

Haven't you been too?

[Frank]

It is weird to me that wagons in this game reach like 4 votes and everyone gets skeevy about it.

Next job is to consolidate all the wagons into one easy to read post and see who is doing what

Footy on so I'll do it in a few hours

Yes, incidentally you happened to have been on many of them

As has the Turkey interestingly

He also isnt shading people

He's been hypocritical though. Specifically towards me.

[Frank]

I think semantics are holding this game back

[Frank]

There's also too many people alive for me to seriously work with VCA without my head exploding so I'm not sure if I'll even touch that today

[Frank]

Hypocrisy Is Not A Scumtell btw

neither is being upset that people are being hypocritical with them.

Which is how gobble is trying to paint profii as scum.

[Frank]

Sounds like a you problem in not being able to read me, pops.

Do you mean most of the rest of this playerlist would be able to course correct to a townread on your slot? Or is this just a philosophical thing about allocation of blame? The latter doesn't help me win this game and I don't care and I concede all points. On the former I heard one opinion in each direction so far this game, if several players that feel you're easily readable I should probably take that into account since I'm not a quadruple voter.

There are people in this playerlist who have shown a decent to good ability to read me correctly in the past, yes. Frank is not one of them.

Actually, there are less of them than I originally thought since I can only recall playing as opposite alignments with them...

Why was I name dropped here

[Frank]

Do you have anything to back this up?

813 is less like the way my ex scumpartner played.

uhhhhhhhhhh

[Frank]

I think you know why.

I didn't ask because I disagree with the fact itself I'm just weirded out that you pointed me out as an example when I don't believe I was part of the conversation from pops

[Frank]

nah if you're really busy you dont join a bunch of games at once, say that you arent going to read the game, act scummy, and then play victim when people call you out

at least not as town.

[Frank]

VOTE: nicholai

[Frank]

I'm just tired of my day 1's constantly coming down to "there's this person we need to lynch because they're either going to be less than useful mislynchbait if town or they're just scum"

and like, yeah, I'm contributing to the wagon but I feel like that's the only logical thing to do. if town it's a nightmare slot to have around if we don't catch scum soon.

[Frank]

UNVOTE:

I'm going to be V/LA for the next 24-30 hours, will reassess then.

Happy new year

[Frank]

I have yet to understand why anyone votes anyone else in this game over PP

You're beating a dead horse and your argument boils down to "he has done nothing to suggest his alignment". So basically your entire push is saying he's been NAI so we should lynch him. I dont feel compelled to care.

[Frank]

Looker
Frank
Kerset...

...please vote

VOTE: gobbledygook

[Frank]

I am not familiar with PP meta at all but this 'he usually looks townier' read is not convincing.

He is useless but not harmful.

oh? Explain.

[Frank]

The main thing that actually bugs me about Wake is he hasn't come in and said how much he hates day 1. I understand he does this fairly routinely but obviously it draws attention, in a similar way to say, not voting in RVS... doesnt really mean a lot but never the less. He chose not to do it.

that's a really good point actually

[Frank]

UNVOTE:
oh gross you are counting scumwagons the same as other wagons

I feel like this is just really bold tmi, but humor me anyway, who is scum?

[Frank]

Nona might be scum.

Going against skitter is a bold move, I'd give you that.

OK, gobble is town for being suicidal

well he basically sheeps skitter on like 5 votes after that if memory serves me correctly

[Frank]

backup mod: Flavor Leaf

Backup mod has an Ego.

Gonna go out on a limb again and say FL =/= Frank

You're the smartest of the pack of the pack, right?

OK, so profii is Scum with Frank (that's how he knew all along it ain't FL. The above quote is just an "after the fact" reason to disguise it)

I can't tell if you're joking here or not but there's a reason he can't reference due to site rules that makes me quite obviously not FL.

[Frank]

at the end of long Day 1's I tend to get paranoid about a lot of slots and this is no exception.

I'm down to lynch gobble, skitter, looker, and maybe rb today (in order of importance)

[Frank]

why gobble, frank?

Wagon hopping, basically just following skitter around it seems like. Some other weird stuff I've already pointed out in other posts.

Notably what comes to mind is the weird rqs that he brought up well past the appropriate time, aimed specifically at penguin even later. Seemingly copying the "hey x vote y with me" style of posting that was made common in this game by skitter and (pops?). That last bit adds to the weird pockety looking stuff towards skitter.

On the subject of skitter, im obviously not a fan there either but I highly doubt they're s/s. I think they both have a lot of contribution to discussion and have decent associations to be made with a lot of slots and lynching from the two seems ideal. Skitter softs some kind of strong PR (which seems less and less plausible --not necessarily for her, but for all PRs with how many have claimed-- but the fact remains that it happened) and either she is gonna get nked for it, wow us with some result/action, or get lynched for a lack of it down the line.

Personally I dont like the way she handled the whole not-claim thing or whatever, and someone (a50?) Pointed out the hypocrisy between her prying for info on profiis role while implying she was holier than him. So all in all I dont mind lynching there. I mean for fucks sake we might as well mass claim with the way roles have gone down so far. And that feels weird as hell for me to say because on my main I'm typically vehemently opposed to such things.

Anyway I'm tired and this turned into a hopeless ramble but one of gobble/skitter getting lynched today makes this game a lot easier fmpov.

[Frank]

I guess bb isnt like, a terrible lynch for associations either but the way things are going I feel like I'll be fighting tooth and nail to hang skitter or gobble the whole game, and probably fighting for my own life before either of those things seem remotely possible. So I'm just trying to get it out of the way before it comes to that.

My bb tr has dropped but I feel like a dirty hoor for saying that because I feel like PP planted that seed in my mind inception style. Although I think pp is a shit lynch rn and find it unlikely that I'll waver there.

[Frank]

I’m don’t want to be lynched though. Lynch RB with me

As much as my rb read has gone downhill since the early part of this phase, I feel like it's a shit lynch too. At least when compared to you or skit. Maybe I'm wrong in assuming I'll feel more strongly about rb in the next phase or two but the way you've been trying to blend in with the common TRs and my spidey senses telling me one of you and skitter is 100% scum, if rb flips green then I feel like a fuckin pleb tomorrow and we basically have nothing to go off of, imo.

[Frank]

I guess bb isnt like, a terrible lynch for associations either but the way things are going I feel like I'll be fighting tooth and nail to hang skitter or gobble the whole game, and probably fighting for my own life before either of those things seem remotely possible. So I'm just trying to get it out of the way before it comes to that.

That’s very survivalistic. What does a green flip for me do to your approach to Skitter and the rest of the game?

I'm just being blunt. My last few town games I've been calling at least part of, if not the entire scum team in the first few phases, nobody listens, and I either get night killed or mislynched. Which isnt typical for me so its driven me a bit mad.

As for your question, back to back lynching isnt ideal in that scenario (not like I'd get it if I wanted it anyway). Ideally you go down first, if green skitter explains in the next phase or two why she's so holy, bad answer = I tunnel her. If you flip red it ideally clears skit for me and I look at some of the other pr claims that dont make sense (PPs being the most swishy washy of those rn) for my vote. If I'm wrong about the "impossible pr" I do some homework on you and see if your interactions with skit so far could actually be staged as a partner.

[Frank]

Okay now this is an interesting development

[Frank]

No if you lynch me you kill skitter the next phase no questions asked. This is the type of crap that allows scum skitter to get away. Alternatively you kill her now and then I become conftown

You make a compelling argument tbh
But I'm really impressionable right now and I want to think about it for a bit

[Frank]

Is that 5 pr claims?

Fuck it, I'm a vanilla townie

[Frank]

Michael jackson eating popcorn gif

Sorry, I'm getting slap happy

[Frank]

VOTE: skitter

[Frank]

A lot of rb's flipfloppy opinions, like it's take on me, I do not like. But I've heard rb is a more than capable player so I'm not sure if I should just chalk it up to scum equity? But it really does not look like rb has tried to solve much this game, more just antagonizing and instigating.

I guess it's one of those things experienced!scum can do when they want to have a lazy scum game and coast but on the flip side it can also be lazy town who just doesn't give a shit. I wish someone more familiar with rb meta would talk about this

[Frank]

Gobble I don't necessarily care for still but my heart says the whole wrong role thing probably does flip VT.

truthful!gobble at least in the sense of "I thought I was one certain town role but I'm not" (with the real role not necessarily being VT) at least isn't scum here since he would obviously be using a PT
untruthful!gobble could have a variety of reasons for doing this as scum, and even a few as town, I think. Although I'm not sure if I would agree with the town reasoning.

I'll lynch there if that's what everyone wants to do but I think we need to pick between PP and skit today. profii can vig gob anyway, which is probably smarter if people want gobble dead, because I think the VCA on skit/PP will be more fruitful and I'll be damned if one of them isn't scum

[Frank]

Help me get the rb lynch I’ve wanted for so long

I guess this ain't a bad choice either. Do you have any experience with rb?

[Frank]

I dont have

much

experience with BBMolla but he recent outburst kinda strikes me as strong arming TRs on himself. Especially the over the top "fucking"s. At least one person (gobble?) said they interpretted the cursing of the earlier posts as genuine frustration and I really have to wonder if he's just trying to tug on heart strings with his recent posting

[Frank]

I think skitter is probably town but I don’t think we should lynch PP today. Join me on Kerset Frank!

Pedit: no, I just don’t like the way they were talking about Kerset in one of the most fence sitting ways possible and now that Kerset is lurking there’s no mention of it

I think his Nicholai vote is lhf and path of least resistance too. But If I’m right about Kerset, rb is very likely a buddy

I can settle on Kerset too, prob. I mean, shit. typing this all out I guess I'm down to lynch like half the PL today, which isn't where I want to be but fuck it.
Kerset has kinda fallen off my radar lately but I guess that in and of itself is a decent reason to lynch them.

Can you weigh some reasoning for rb vs kerset?

[Frank]

i don't want to deal with this. i'm a cop. that's not a full claim

don't you have like 1 vote on you

[Frank]

i (and gobble) literally saw scum do this like two weeks ago so ...

sounds ballsy for scum!him to do it with you around, then, no?

-X

[Frank]

I JUST HYDRA SLIPPED ON A SIGNATURE HAHAHAHAH

oh wait I'm still on an alt. okay. umm this is awkward

[Frank]

I hope that isn't rulebreaking. I'm gonna go think about what I've done

[Frank]

what if strongman is x-shot

[Frank]

skitter:

1. if I BoP you and sheep you will you be mad

2. if you don't catch scum by the time I give up BoP'ing you will you try to get in my head about it

[Frank]

your answer doesn't make my choice concrete btw, but it might help me decide what to do

[Frank]

from the wiki:
"Strongman is usually X-Shot. It is usually scum-aligned, but has been seen on Town Vigilantes as well (where the overall role is called Juggernaut)."

[Frank]

"Usually, One-Shot Strongman kills are put into the game to balance a potentially broken combination in the game. It is important not to waste the Strongman kill before something like Follow the Cop starts to take place."

assuming truthful skitter, pp, and nicholai, would it make sense for the strongman to be 2-shot?

I've assumed there's 3 scum but could that number be higher or lower based on scumpower?

[Frank]

1. no. not mad, possibly weirded out, but probably won't make a thing of it since i think you're town (i don't get mad for this really).
also i think this is the towniest way anyone's done this
also like who are you lol

2. i guess that depends on a few things including: a) the fact that i now probably die tonight, b) if you're going to give up bop'ing me like at sod2 and have expected me to solved the game at that point, c) my reads are not feeling great this game, d) probably other factors i'm not thinking of rn

i think i have a pretty good town pool and i want to lynch/vig/suicide in the poe but the poe is a big blur rn

okay, I'm gonna mull over the thought then

[Frank]

yeah i don't know how to answer those questions better, sorry
that's

teh

most truthful answer i could give

no it was a good answer tbh, and kinda stroked my ego and I'm gonna be pissed if you're scum because that's kinda my weak spot rn

BOB?!

[Frank]

god I honestly hope one of skitter and penguin is lying because this setup is kinda fucked if not I think

like not that it's necessarily a bad setup probably, but the swing seems insanely high

[Frank]

One of them is probably lying but I think that the solution to much of skitter’s problems is to have two separate pools of targets for profii and skitter. We should not be using skitter as an investigative. We should be using her as a protection

so we use penguin as and investigative?

[Frank]

oh wait penguin didn't claim weak. okay nvm maybe the swing isnt as bad as i thought

[Frank]

is there any universe where penguin is scum informed that there is a doctor instead of what he claimed, or am I just going insane

[Frank]

i could ... maybe see that actually

what do you think his actual role would be?
scum strongman who knows that there's a doctor so claimed bg (to get a cc) and claimed informed of strongman?

that's kinda what I was thinking, but I guess he doesnt necessarily have to be the strongman in that scenario

[Frank]

the whole strongman's existence could be smoke and mirrors i guess

[Frank]

I mean whatever happened, a doctor did claim as a result. I've never seen PP play 4d chess but there's a first for everything I suppose

[Frank]

BoPing skitter
VOTE: kerset

[Frank]

You seem emotional. Have you been moved to tears too? Our universal scumread being the very one to rescue us from Nicolai.. I'm gonna go get tissues for both of us

Profii is doubly awesome in the fact that he both shot scum and saved us from a game in which Not_Mafia would have posted. Yes, I do admit I teared up a bit.

PROFII YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD

[Frank]

VOTE: Looker

this is the play for today

i'll probably vote this if it's not L-1 by the time I'm caught up

[Frank]

i have an investigative result on you

with gobble rescinding his claim this is 5 pr claims right?

[Frank]

If you can't at least narrow your nonsense to "rb gets to claim 'not vanilla' " you're being blatantly anti-town/scumclaiming. rb has a guilty it is lynching onto today it doesn't need to prove itself.

It bothers me enough that requires pointing out

I'm with skitter on this one

what do you have against making people commit to a claim now instead of pulling some shit in lylo

[Frank]

Sorry no, getting weak doc'ed doesn't make me feel like I owe you something. Like in postgame if I know you did it as town I think it will be play I need to commend but I don't see how it's something only town!you does and I need to be totally tickled with it right now.

pedit: I stand correct, that's right, it was scum doc

I want to believe skitter and pops to both be town here but going back and forth from this type of dialogue to gloating about being conftown is really fuckign weird man

[Frank]

No one will believe me, but I would have bussed the shit out of my team if it was Nicholai and Looker

Just saying

me too

[Frank]

if looker flips scum I would be kind of inclined to believe those claims

[Frank]

Are we really all claiming? If we are, Frank, if not Frank, then no one.

idk what this means

[Frank]

should i be voting looker rn

[Frank]

how do people know what is normal and not normal

I feel like there's some memo I don't know about

[Frank]

Votecount 2.01

Looker

(2) — rb, gobbledygook

gobbledygook

(1) — skitter30

rb

(0) —

BBmolla

(0) —

skitter30

(0) —

PenguinPower

(0) —

bob3141

(0) —

popsofctown

(0) —

Frank

(0) —

Almost50

(0) —

Runningback

(1) — BBmolla

Not Voting

(6) — Almost50, popsofctown, Looker, Frank, PenguinPower, bob3141

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-01-20 12:32:00)

Mod Notes

: -skitt is very VLA on weekends
-kerset can no longer hate me bc they deaded
-Your mod should be adding more flavour soon but holy shit there are more VCs than I was expecting and I'm procrastinating like a CHAMP

L-4

cool

VOTE: Looker

L-3

i was going to try and push a looker lynch through without having to claim because my investigative power is not X-shot. but i'm fine with simply having the guilty today and if i die the rest of the game can find the last scum

Ok then

Just highlighting that the setup is kinda ridiculous from my pov

VOTE: looker

L-2

UNVOTE: Looker

in case of self-hammer

we should spend the day speculating on 3rd person in the team

L-3

Looker that's a beautiful post.

You have my utmost respect.

VOTE: Looker

L-2

Whoops unluckily for you pgos arent normal these days

UNVOTE:

Rb whats the plan for tonight?

L-3

VOTE: Looker
L-2

[Frank]

Dont mind me just waiting for this phase to end

[Frank]

so what're we thinking

[Frank]

I was gonna wait for rb results before I really cared about today

so

I don't really care if we lynch gobble or not. I don't necessarily think he's scum but I seem him being inevitably lynched anyway so it's like ripping a bandaid I guess

[Frank]

I personally think Looker’s vote on me personally exonerates me

I wasnt gonna bring it up for probably obvious reasons but what do you (or anyone else) think about the way looker handled me yesterday?

[Frank]

That happened when, Frank?

I'm not sure what you're asking

[Frank]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Is gobble not_mafia?

[Frank]

I already claimed VT

[Frank]

rb I feel like you havent been skeptical enough of me today to not have received a clear on me

I guess I could say the same for Bob though

[Frank]

The day is still young but I wanted to point that out for post game bragging rights anyway

[Frank]

im town psychologist, i get positive result if my target has an active kill ability (mafia NK, vigilante kill) and i get negative result if they don't

there's no claims in this game that can give me a false positive, so i'm effectively a cop

crumbed in this post

not to go all Freud but i think pops has a personality that would make her play this game incongruent with her being scum in this particular game

makes sense with profii being vig.

who do you have cleared?

[Frank]

not saying it. i want people to play the game, not rely on me for direction because i'm going to be dead very soon

... well you're going to tell us before the phase ends at least right

[Frank]

I guess I should lead with my top concern unrelated to results then:

What do we do with PP? Overall I think he's town and telling the truth, but that means there's probably a strongman that can kill you even if he protects you. Although obviously at some point if we don't catch scum we will have to wonder how valid his claim is if you die with him still living.

If he's telling the truth he could be extremely valuable to have around if the strongman is gated. So how long should we assume he's town?

[Frank]

town/claims

popsofctown - cleared by skitter
rb - caught scum, was consistent in wanting 2 scum lynched
PenguinPower - claims bg informed of strongman (as pops said, 2 scum down and neither being strongman, this lowers his town equity somewhat considerably I think)

null/town

bob3141 - play reminds me of the town game I've seen him play before. The VCA seems genuine enough and is another thing I saw him do a few times as town. Not sure if this is something he's known to emulate as scum or not. However, some of the things he's said seem nonsensical, which isn't really scummy I guess but weird. The whole rehashing that skitter and PP only made sense as scum as a team or whatever that he did today was weird though. I just assume in his mind there was some overarching point to what he was saying that he didn't get across, or that I didn't catch onto. But if I take it at face value it seems like fluff conversation just to make himself look useful

gobbledygook - early gameplay and basically sheeping around skitter is still something I look back on as scummy. I don't necessarily think what I said about him in 1397 was wrong, either. But I'm (perhaps erroneously) basing my read on him mostly over the whole JK to VT claim scenario. Maybe I need to give his play there another look but my gut just screams that he doesn't make that kind of play, especially with skitter around to say "hey we just saw scum do that", as scum. Maybe he does and I'm selling him short on WIFOM but I can't let go of my feelings there. In spite of all of this I think he's a somewhat safe lynch for mostly town mentality. Probably flips green but then (hopefully at least most) of the town paranoia would die with him.

null

BBmolla - I still stand by my initial reaction to his outburst in thinking that it is probably town indicative. Yes the meta penguin brought up definitely makes me feel not as strongly that I'm right about that but still. I do think he was kinda laying the AtE on thick with his continual frustration at a time where it didn't really seem appropriate. Overall the worst thing about him to me is that I can't really remember a damn thing he's done to push this game in any certain direction.

south of null

Almost50 - I think my earlier thoughts on him were generally positive, but the way he's kinda slinked off and not really been participating in discussion strikes me as out of character for him. I think I have 3 completed games with him? Maybe only 2. he was town in both. I remember him being quite vocal in both of those and generally emitting this goofy and carefree attitude that he seemed to come into this game with, but it's certainly tapered off. It's kinda hard for me to articulate how I feel beyond that. I just read his whole ISO and really nothing stuck out. His catch up felt ingenuous at parts, and not in the same shade that I've come to accept from him as far as joking around goes. Something just feels "off", and I'm afraid that's all I can really come up with for why I feel this way about him.

[Frank]

I am pretty paranoid about pp

I want to say we should only lynch one of him/gobble before LYLO but I really dont know. On one hand a bg could be pretty useful here. On the other, who even knows with a strongman in the mix. I'm just gonna feel real fkin dumb if we lynch them both and have you and rb dead in lylo.

I want to think other slots would become clearer by then but what if they don't? seems kinda like a nightmare lylo.

[Frank]

Yeah. I think tomorrow I'll try and look at the flipped scum and see how they handled other slots. I did that earlier with looker a bit but it turns out he hardly interacted with most of the people that concern me right now anyway

[Frank]

Tomorrow as in real life days

[Frank]

Also this might seem kind of out of place but I'm eth0s.

I realize it might be frustrating to see me constantly talking about what I've seen players doing in other games when they dont even know who I am. Seems kinda unfair. I guess having an anonymous alt works a lot better if you arent gonna be meta casing people but I feel like I have to or else I might as well be playing against wincon

[Frank]

Damn mena what do you do for a living? lol

[Frank]

Also this might seem kind of out of place but I'm eth0s.

I realize it might be frustrating to see me constantly talking about what I've seen players doing in other games when they dont even know who I am. Seems kinda unfair. I guess having an anonymous alt works a lot better if you arent gonna be meta casing people but I feel like I have to or else I might as well be playing against wincon

OK, maybe I should change my claim (but only for Frank. I'm still a VT for everyone else).

@Frank: I am a Loyal Complex "messenger" of sorts. I send out "a message", but only a TPR would receive it. You mentioned something was funny at the start of D2 and you asked me specifically about it. What was it that you were referring to?? I need to know for sure if you did receive what I'm talking about, as I am no longer confident you're town anymore, so I would now request that you disclose "the nature of the message" you received if you did receive one on N1.

I received fruit

[Frank]

Oh, not mafia was technically in this game. I forgot about that

[Frank]

my reads are:

town: pops
probably town: frank
feel like but have no actual reason for them being town: A50
null: everyone else

pops/frank do you think A50 is more likely to flip town or scum?

I dont exactly have a good history at reading a50 but as I outlined in my reads post I think he feels scummy in a way that I've not pegged him for previously. I think it's more likely he flips town than scum but I can say that for literally any slot right now.

Ask me if I think it's more likely he flips scum over, like gobble flipping scum then yes I do think that.

[Frank]

Ethos I thought you were really good. You’ve not really been trying here I feel like

I'm not really sure how to take this. What game(s) are you referencing? I've come to notice my town performances in non-newbies games are usually pretty lackluster and this player list has been stacked with strong players which naturally makes me want to take a back seat. In newbie games I find myself having stronger town play because I exploit common mistakes and think I have a decent eye for determining whether something is newbscum vs newbtown.

If you're referencing scum games that's different altogether and I think I tend to perform better and try harder as scum.

Not to get all WIFOMy and shit, I've just had a strong tendency to deepwolf and "obvtown" as scum lately, where as I've been dropping the ball and even sometimes screwing things up a lot as town. See Cliff Booth in New Beginnings lol.

[Frank]

Those are like exactly my reads

Those were exactly my reads until I started getting paranoid at a50 and realizing that I don't see the same level of effort I've come to expect from him.

Keep in mind I've never played with scum him so idk if it's AI reasoning for him but I've always ended up thinking he's scum at one point or another in the past.

[Frank]

Idk why but I think the way gobble called out his my play from his perspective is townie.

I just dont see scum motivation in effectively shading me via meta when the 2 towniest (imo) slots are calling me townie (as was skitter). I guess I just feel he would've made a stronger argument for me seeming off if it was malicious?

[Frank]

I dont hate the bbmolla lynch but I think I'd rather have a50

I'll compromise on BB if needed but I'm gonna do this for now and see if I have any support.

VOTE: Almost50

[Frank]

VOTE: bobman

Why do you want A50, eth0s (since you outed it )

mostly this

south of null

Almost50 - I think my earlier thoughts on him were generally positive, but the way he's kinda slinked off and not really been participating in discussion strikes me as out of character for him. I think I have 3 completed games with him? Maybe only 2. he was town in both. I remember him being quite vocal in both of those and generally emitting this goofy and carefree attitude that he seemed to come into this game with, but it's certainly tapered off. It's kinda hard for me to articulate how I feel beyond that. I just read his whole ISO and really nothing stuck out. His catch up felt ingenuous at parts, and not in the same shade that I've come to accept from him as far as joking around goes. Something just feels "off", and I'm afraid that's all I can really come up with for why I feel this way about him.

He kinda made me feel guilty bringing up the last game we played together but I still think his play here seems different than the times I've seen him as town :/

[Frank]

Should I put Bob man to L-1

[Frank]

I kinda feel like we arent gonna get much more outta this day so if a50 is off the table I'd rather just move on

[Frank]

frank had a bit of a town burst

but at this stage of the game it's in a sea of otherwise kind of scummy shit, and effort isn't alignment indicative. so it should be treated as null imo

so he's actually in as much of a null pile as anyone else and i don't know how to pull people out of it

I mean what am I to do when no one wants to share their own thoughts or challenge mine or even defend themselves like why is the burden on me to continuously bleed town when no one else gives af?

[Frank]

Idk why rb keeps going so back and forth on me and I further dislike that I'm supposed to make content from other people appear from thin air.

PP, bob, bb, and a50 arent doing anything to progress the game. One of them is almost certainly scum. I've offered my thoughts and no one gives a shit so why bother

[Frank]

I'd think rb was scum with the whole "I'm gonna be NKed oh wait I'm effectively a VT now nvm" thing over thinking pops was a JOAT here.

Plus it makes sense in my mind that if penguin is telling the truth a JOAT with strongman capability wouldn't be called "strongman" in PP's role pm. But I'm not quite sure how that works.

The fact that this conversation is even happening at all means scum is just one of the slots not doing anything

[Frank]

Eth0s how sure are you about a50 scum?

very
very
very
not sure

but this is a great point

Based off VCA, I think it is either BBmolla or Almost50. At one point Looker, Nicholai, and Bob were all on the same wagon and the only people on that wagon. No way a scum team does that[/quote
and I really want to believe gobble is town so I think this is + scum equity to a50 by poe

[Frank]

We can afford to lynch me today and still win

, I say. I don't feel like efforting in this game tbh, so if you fail to make up your mind just lynch me and carry on.

I mean I dont believe the underlined is necessarily true or a good thing to say but does scum say it?

idfk

[Frank]

the range of a50's play is pretty diverse and there's a lot of overlap between his scum and town play for sure, but this ain't it

yes i too am frustrated that he plays like this and gets to be townread for it but that's just a50

I mean, I am not frustrated with him or his play. I think he and FL are cut from the same cloth, but what I am noticing here is that he is

not

playing like his conspiracy-theorist normal self.

He seems kind of resigned to the fact that he is about to get lynched, which makes sense given two mafia died within 24 hours of one another.

Objectively, I think my play here does not make sense as scum. Asking to be vigged is not what mafia do. Yes, wifom and all, but really I think we should be looking at Looker's iso. He clearly felt something was wrong with his own iso by the way he reacted in his final moments in this game.

I agree with what gobble said and also I'm used to seeing more scumhunting from a50 and less defensive posts like the one he directed at pops.

Yes, historically I'm bad at reading him but especially with discussion being somewhat centered around him I would just expect him as town to at least be pointing out an alternative wagon or case someone or something instead of just talk about how no one is good at reading him or whatever. It doesn't feel town-motivated.

[Frank]

hey a50 gimme one word reads on everyone at least =)

I thought I already did, but it could've been me thinking it and then making believe I did say it.

You & pops are conf!townies

I can't be confident about PP, but the last interaction between me and him felt like town him (the response referring to a recent game where he mislynched me when he was a Sane Cop and had a clear on me. You can always blame that on Bingle's powerful manipulation)

All other 3 are suspects from my PoV, but we know only one is actually scum, and I kinda like Bob the most of the three (by tone/gut)

I suspect gobble but I am also afraid of it being me unconsciously reacting to his continuous shade on me. Actually, what does bother me is I don't get why scum!gobble would want to lynch me over Bob here. I mean, bob does seem like the most viable option. Could it be that the Turkey grew a brain sophisticated enough to push against the flow for Town!cred? I mean, we end up lynching bob and he flips Town and then gobble says "I told you so" and has both myself and BBmolla to lynch from??

And finally, BBm.. a slot that is here by name but not much by play. I have seen him play and make himself present as Town, so I guess he is my top suspect because I am not sold this is him uninterested.

what about me

[Frank]

Would you believe I legit forgot Frank was in this game when I made all the recent posts??

Again; I don't think it's gobble (2nd on the wagon). I think it's BBm (3rd is the sweet spot for scum). Maybe Frank, whom I've totally missed while doing my quick VCA.

I honestly kinda don't just because of how convenient it could be for scum you to say that when I've been talking about you probably being scum a lot lately

[Frank]

Bob, can you please unvote me so Frank does not hammer me.

brah what?

I don't want you lynched lmao

in fact the way you're talking about me is the first thing to make me want to lynch you in awhile

[Frank]

I'm a little drunk right now but like

I don't think gobble is handling his pressure well and deflecting to me and saying the way looker voted me is scummy now when he said the opposite earlier bothers me. However I have a pretty common history of seeing the bad in people who say bad things about me so I don't want to give that too much merit. Plus it just seems too easy, he'd almost certainly get lynched after my flip I think so why bother doing that as scum?

I still think a50 is a good lynch. I would compromise on BBmolla. Probably wont lynch gobble.

If you guys do lynch gobble and he flips town then I think we need to lynch PP.

I don't remember what my logic is for that last part so I'll explain it tomorrow when my brain can work more gooder

[Frank]

I don't think gobble is handling his pressure well and deflecting to me and

saying the way looker voted me is scummy now when he said the opposite earlier

bothers me.

Where did I say this? I said Looker was obfuscating his vote. Then Rb told me to ignore Looker’s end of life actions so I did. But then I actually looked at the vca and came up with my hypothesis about you and Looker.

I'm kinda with rb on the whole thing. I don't think lookers votes at the end mattered. Looking into it is just wifom.

I guess I misunderstood your original comments but it's really weird for you to just go from bb/a50 to me when neither of the former were looking like likely lynches.

[Frank]

I think Nona's vote on me is indicative that I am town. She placed that vote with very little basis and then never defended it

I just want to say that Kerset played phenomenally, and VOTE: Frank. I'm a 1-shot PGO and I didn't arm last night. Are we really all claiming? If we are, Frank, if not Frank, then no one.

i will vote for someone random to be helpful. VOTE: Frank i didn't check the votecount before voting so i'm really sorry if this is hammer it was really an accident and don't scumread me for it but i haven't read so had no way of knowing.

[Frank]

Half way done with my activity flow, but I am going to take a break for football and also to make an argument for why I am less likely to be scum than other players.

- Given that the setup is apparently goon/goon/strongman, advocating for myself to get shot after messing up makes zero sense. If I am strongman, I do not think I would have messed up given that PenguinPower made the strongman pretty central in everyone's minds.
- Furthermore, after everyone added me to the vig list and after I asked profii to kill me, if my scumteam IS about to lose the strongman, they would HAVE to kill the protectives (skitter and PenguinPower) or else that pair literally just lynches everyone else and wins in 3P LyLo due to how their roles work together. Obviously, neither Skitter nor PenguinPower died so that is a point in my favor
- I think Nona's vote on me is indicative that I am town. She placed that vote with very little basis and then never defended it
- My pressure on Looker before the guilty was revealed. If I was going to save a teammate, it would be Looker not Nicholai given the public sentiment regarding Nicholai was very bad
- I think my play has generally been town other than the skitter/me mess up

on the whole though I agree with a lot of what gobble is saying here. Not to mention if he's the last scum (and 99.9999% a PR) why would he fakeclaim jailor? I don't really agree that his team wouldn't just kill profii in that scenario but I do think his play makes no sense as scum here given the circumstances.

I really don't agree with lynching someone that I think is town here just for morale or whatever. Why don't we just do a50 or BB?

[Frank]

I think Nona's vote on me is indicative that I am town. She placed that vote with very little basis and then never defended it

I just want to say that Kerset played phenomenally, and VOTE: Frank. I'm a 1-shot PGO and I didn't arm last night. Are we really all claiming? If we are, Frank, if not Frank, then no one.

i will vote for someone random to be helpful. VOTE: Frank i didn't check the votecount before voting so i'm really sorry if this is hammer it was really an accident and don't scumread me for it but i haven't read so had no way of knowing.

Erm, you can't really have your cake and eat it too if you're going to discount my Looker > vote Frank analysis and then immediately turn around and use Looker > vote Frank analysis to say you're town.

I'm not saying those votes make me town. I'm saying from

your

perspective if it makes you town it should make me town too. Especially when both of the flipped scum did the thing to me that nona doing to you makes you town.

I'm just pointing out an invalid perspective.

[Frank]

I don't think gobble is handling his pressure well and deflecting to me and

saying the way looker voted me is scummy now when he said the opposite earlier

bothers me.

Where did I say this? I said Looker was obfuscating his vote. Then Rb told me to ignore Looker’s end of life actions so I did. But then I actually looked at the vca and came up with my hypothesis about you and Looker.

I'm kinda with rb on the whole thing. I don't think lookers votes at the end mattered. Looking into it is just wifom.

I guess I misunderstood your original comments but it's really weird for you to just go from bb/a50 to me when neither of the former were looking like likely lynches.

I don't really understand your last sentence. Why is it weird that I go to you when none of the former were looking like lynches?

Like you waited

until

they no longer looked likely to attack me. After saying you thought the scum was in them. Also it happened after you accrued 3 votes.

[Frank]

I want to believe you're town gobble you're just making it very hard for me right now

[Frank]

I don't think gobble is handling his pressure well and deflecting to me and

saying the way looker voted me is scummy now when he said the opposite earlier

bothers me.

Where did I say this? I said Looker was obfuscating his vote. Then Rb told me to ignore Looker’s end of life actions so I did. But then I actually looked at the vca and came up with my hypothesis about you and Looker.

I'm kinda with rb on the whole thing. I don't think lookers votes at the end mattered. Looking into it is just wifom.

I guess I misunderstood your original comments but it's really weird for you to just go from bb/a50 to me when neither of the former were looking like likely lynches.

I don't really understand your last sentence. Why is it weird that I go to you when none of the former were looking like lynches?

Like you waited

until

they no longer looked likely to attack me. After saying you thought the scum was in them. Also it happened after you accrued 3 votes.

I mean I think the obvious hole in this train of thought is why didn't I flip on bob since people have been wanting his lynch for literally the entire game AND he has 2 votes already. It doesn't really make sense for scum me to go after you, of all people left in the lynch pool.

This is true. I'm not voting you for good reason man I think I see in you what the others can't or do not want to. I just need you to work with me instead of being paranoid about me

[Frank]

I don't remember doing that

[Frank]

ebwop

Why did you speculate that there were more than 3 mafia when the PRs were revealing on Day 1? I find that to be a little odd because that seems very

not

normal for mini normal games.

I don't remember doing that

[Frank]

Wasn't there some compelling VC thingy saying it's either BBMolla gobble, so not a50? I don't remember exactly how it goes

this?

Based off VCA, I think it is either BBmolla or Almost50. At one point Looker, Nicholai, and Bob were all on the same wagon and the only people on that wagon. No way a scum team does that

Looker also posted a post that was aimed at all the lurkers which includes the Nona slot, BBmolla, and the Wake (A50) slot. I think Looker’s weird frank stuff at the end there was trying to tie his wagon to Frank.

[Frank]

A full strongman makes this (Gunsmith + 1-shot Vig + VTs) vs Mafia with unstoppable kills, and given the Vig -in general- is likely to hit TOWN, I don't see how the game could ever be balanced that way.

what about with our weak doctor used an an investigative? and the fact that town!pp means he was actually informed.

Like I see what you're getting at, essentially nullifying the protective roles to VT if there's an ungated strongmen, but that's one of those things that's easy to say on paper even though it won't practically end up that way usually.

For instance, profii shot a goon but he could've shot a strongman. Skitter cleared pops though she could've got a guilty on strongman. rb got a guilty on looker, though he could've got a guilty on strongman.

I don't think it's healthy to reduce everything down to "strongman = protectives are literally VTs"

[Frank]

Actually now that I think about it if there's an ungated strongman it makes sense that rb would even have got a guilty on looker at all. Strongman would likely just make the kills every night. I find it even less likely that not_maf shot night one and obviously looker didn't if rb is town.

If a strongman exists they've probably been shooting each night. Non-gated seems plausible to me with the amount of town power we have...

But then again PP could be scum in which case who knows what he is? Probably a gated strongman.

[Frank]

hope you're having a fun night pops

[Frank]

I love black cats, have never had any of my own though.

I have two snowshoes and they're little troublemakers but they're super funny and kinda act like puppies.

And a russian blue and she's the loviest lap cat ever but she's living at my dad's right now because she doesn't mesh well with other cats and she'd be permanently growling/hissing if she had to put up with these rascals

[Frank]

Monkey man bad

[Frank]

It was a link to a search of threads someone is in

[Frank]

uh is a50 hammered?

[Frank]

Why would you put that much effort into a game where you rolled scum tho

He's NOT SCUM, but

he is

doing his best for the Town to

lose the game

. I dunno how you can sheep a Turkey anyway. Like, the only reason I am not actively throwing is rb has been dedicated enough I'd be ashamed to let him down. If it was for you and gobble I'd have thrown already

and felt happy doing it

.

Do you have any strongish leads for scum? It's not like no one is willing to listen to you or engage you, and it feels like you're portraying frustration to suggest that's how you feel. If you're town I just think you're making it hard on yourself by being less obvtown than usual. Yeah, I know, coming from me that's gotta be rich but in retrospect your performance in New Beginnings was a lot more solvey. Even in Black vs White mafia I thought you were strongly town while I was alive.

I'm not trying to be condescending, really. But can you really look at the content you've provided over this phase and suggest that anyone is game throwing by pushing you?

[Frank]

I've heard that he's pretty good

from who??

[Frank]

Do you think eth0s is a shitty player? He was lightly scumreading you early and I've heard that he's pretty good

He’s self admitted better as scum than town. I have opinions about the type of player who is baseline better as scum than town, but it doesn’t mean they are bad

I wish it wasn't that way. I mean, hell, my town winrate is probably way higher than my scum winrate but I'm pretty good at making people believe I'm town when I'm not, whereas I feel like I'm constantly fighting to prove that I'm town in most of my town games.

I will say that I have played the town leader role a few times and correctly persuaded town to lynch the scum but that's probably all been in newbie games. Sometimes I do have really strong town games but uncertainty is my biggest enemy, and usually what causes my play to be bad. In this game I have

a lot

of uncertainty and that makes me want to take a backseat but it's been hard with a few other slots seeming to do the same thing.

Although in my game with you and JJD as Cliff Booth, that's one of two games I can think of where I was extremely confident as town and fucked everything up by being stubborn. I want to be a better town player. I

like

playing town more. I'm just better at lying than solving I guess, and that's especially problematic here when no one seems to be confident about who is scum.

[Frank]

Idk why gobble is contemplating universes where he is unavailable to post next day phase lol

I’m posting from the universe where I die either today and if I’m wrong about A50, I die tomorrow

I do not want to go 3p LyLo and I will self hammer to not get there

If we go to lylo I want you there tbh :/

[Frank]

I want to be better at town than scum

I wanna talk about this in post game, I've already clogged up the thread too much talking about my playstyle but I feel this so hard.

[Frank]

I think it was radarcowballs

that would... come as a huge shock to me given a certain game we played together

[Frank]

Idk why gobble is contemplating universes where he is unavailable to post next day phase lol

I’m posting from the universe where I die either today and if I’m wrong about A50, I die tomorrow

I do not want to go 3p LyLo and I will self hammer to not get there

If we go to lylo I want you there tbh :/

I’m just gonna get lynched. Getting lynched in 3P LyLo is the worst

If I made it to lylo I would probably only lynch you over pops or rb as it currently stands

If you've got me fooled then kudos but I think you're mainly the paranoid scumread for a lot of people right now and I can understand why other people would want to lynch you but I disagree with it.

[Frank]

Okay guys here is where I'm at in terms of what's new.

A50 I don't think indignation will ever help me read you correctly

I can vibe with this. BUT a50 is not the only person this is limited to. BBmolla has already avoided the rope for his exclamations earlier. Assuming UTRs on rb and pops, and assuming we can agree that PP is a bad lynch today, that leaves me, gobble, bob, BB, and a50 as options. Two of which have pulled the indignation card (a50 and BB). We've already set a precedent with BB that this type of behavior can be redeeming, but was that a wise decision to make? Obviously that's not

WHY

we didn't lynch BB but it's a byproduct of that.

Correct me if I'm wrong but no one is outright TRing bob or BB at this point, right?
Pops is TRing me I think, I TR Gobble, RB and PP TR a50. Beyond that I don't know/remember.

If indignation is a factor in whether someone should or should not be lynched would it not be fair to apply that logic to BB before worrying about applying it to a50, seeing as how his situation occurred first and no one seems to TR him? I don't personally prefer him as a lynch to a50 I just want to cover our bases.

[Frank]

So, I will now ask again: WHAT EXACTLY HAVE I SAID OR DONE that makes me look scummy to you (or anyone else)?

That's like the golden question that anyone could ask me right now and I'd hardly be able to answer. FFS I have you as null-scum and that's the scummiest read I have. Other than what I've already said about you now playing as obvtown as you have in the past, I'm not really sure what else there is. There's my gut feelings, but the accused never cares about those, and in fact only makes things worse when they're actually town so I don't know what to say.

No one seems overly scummy. No one clearly looks like an associate of flipped scum. I think bob looks a lot like what I know of town!bob, BB looks more or less like what I know of town!BB (although I've limited experience with him and he seems low effort in general). PP I can't read anyway and has a claim that seems beneficial enough to believe for now. Gobble I've talked about quite a bit but all things considered the main reasons I do not think he is scum is the whole jailor claim backtrack and the fact that his play looks NOTHING like it did when he was a traitor in New Beginnings.

I started to feel a bit worried about voting you after your last few posts but then I checked your ISO to see what your votes this phase looked like, and found this

We can afford to lynch me today and still win, I say. I don't feel like efforting in this game tbh, so if you fail to make up your mind just lynch me and carry on.

which really doesn't make me feel any better. I kinda feel like you expected that you would not even be a possibility for lynch today when you wrote that, given that pops, rb, and pp were pretty outspoken about not wanting you lynched. But now that it looks like a reality why have you flipped a switch so hard?

It goes hand in hand with you asking rb about whether or not you should self hammer. At first I'm like "oh yeah, he did self hammer as town in New Beginnings out of (very valid) frustration, so maybe this is legit". But you're asking rb, who is currently neck and neck with PP as the 2nd biggest proponent of town!a50, for an answer. Part of me thinks that you already know what that answer is going to be, because that same part of me thinks I already know what the answer is, too. That same part wants to lynch you and thinks that these types of questions to rb can be valid frustration but can also obfuscate things for town.

[Frank]

I’m not going to deal with someone who is spewing that amount of vitriol.

VOTE: bob

Do whatever you want. I was trash this game when Nicholai replaced in. Kill me. Don’t kill me. I don’t care anymore.

It's not the end of the world man. If you don't want to listen to him talk like that then wouldn't it be better to use your vote to remove him?

Unless your read has changed please leave your vote on him. I'm confident that we will be able to sort bob in this game eventually if we don't outright catch scum first.

I think I know how you're feeling and if so maybe just take the rest of the night off but please put some faith in me. And if you're scum please slap the shit out of me in post game chat.

[Frank]

I mean I still believe that A50 is the last scum. But if he’s going to be mean about a scumread then I’m not going to push it. I would rather die than push a lynch against someone who is going to levy personal attacks at me rather than try to talk me through him not being scum.

His appeal to credibility on the skitter townread looks bad in my opinion because as I have said numerous times people are not articulating their A50 reads. Just saying he is town. What is a town supposed to do when you the entire exchange is “I think x is scum. Well I think x is town and y is scum. Well I think y is scum, you should vote x. I’m not gonna vote x, you should vote y.”

RB isn’t trying to discuss anything
Pops is barely trying to discuss anything and wants this game to be easy mode. Can’t we all be lucky to be conftown through setup and sit on top of our high horse
PP never tries to discuss anything and his “case” on BBmolla is like the most solvey thing I have ever seen him do

It sure is nice when your conftown town bloc just sits on their hands

Please don't make me beg. If we don't lynch him today, he ain't ever getting lynched. If you think he's scum your vote is essential in getting anything done about it and there's only like 2.5 days left. You can honestly throw down a vote, ignore the thread for 24 hours, say something, and then your obligations for the phase are over and you still won't even be the one to contribute the second least of the phase.

There's enough of the woe is me crap in the air this game as it is, if you're town I really need you to take a stand against it, and don't allow yourself to be lynched over a scumspect.

[Frank]

@PP, rb, pops

We can afford to lynch me today and still win, I say. I don't feel like efforting in this game tbh, so if you fail to make up your mind just lynch me and carry on.

what do you make of the transition from a statement like this to what's transpired over the last couple of pages?

[Frank]

Yes, a50's comments are towing the boundaries of site rules for sure, but that's not anyone else's problem but his. Yeah I know it's easy for me to say that as the guy who isn't the butt of the comments but those rules exist for a reason and I would rather you exercise your rights to shut that kind of conversation down (you have multiple options there) than just let him off the hook for it.

p-edit: thank you, for what it's worth I agree that it was an unwarranted attack but I would like to stop talking about this until postgame because the conversation is clearly manipulating the game state

[Frank]

I've been voting you for a bit a50

[Frank]

big
yuge
sigh

[Frank]

I have a mental image of a penguin slamming a fifth of vodka behind the wheel now

[Frank]

@PP, rb, pops

We can afford to lynch me today and still win, I say. I don't feel like efforting in this game tbh, so if you fail to make up your mind just lynch me and carry on.

what do you make of the transition from a statement like this to what's transpired over the last couple of pages?

IF... if I was going to switch my vote from a50 I think I need answers to this first

[Frank]

we need 2 solid TRs to guarantee win

can i nominate one

[Frank]

I feel like I am TRing BBMolla now although I feel sketchy about the extent to which this is inexplicable

I definitely DONT TR BBmolla but as time goes on I truly do have to wonder if it's just bob.

Like I'm coming around to the idea that it's in a50, bob, bbm, and I also kinda know my place here so maybe I should condede on a50.
If I do that that then i'm between bob and bb, in which case I think it'd be bob. My opinion here could change with the wind though

[Frank]

That same part wants to lynch you

I repeat: VOTE ME if you feel that way. That is obviously your OWN thinking. You're not sheeping the Turkey, so I won't get mad. The hame of Mafia is all about lynching someone you think will flip red (YOU think it. YOU). Got it?

I've been voting you for a bit a50

I'm an idiot lol I've not even been voting for him.

Sorry if I'm wrong VOTE: Almost50

Our mod is asleep, post cat pics for the rest of twilight

[Frank]

I have a mental image of a penguin slamming a fifth of vodka behind the wheel now

Oh come on now...I drove most of the day and am now at home where I drank a bit more than usual because it was a very long day of driving.

sorry, was meant to be a joke if that wasn't clear

It was just funny how you worded it like it could be possible that you were drinking because you had a long drive ahead of you

[Frank]

well now that it's twilight, if we didn't just win the game, I think a bg!penguin should target at semi-random with maybe just some preference to pops/rb/me(?)

if there is a gated strongman out there that can't use their strength tonight, we can straight up win with the right protection target

[Frank]

yeah I hammered a50

[Frank]

wtf

[Frank]

we might've just won tho

[Frank]

:/ I'm sorry

[Frank]

okay gn

[Frank]

this escalated quickly

[Frank]

sometimes you just have to do what your heart deems necessary, even if the others might not understand

[Frank]

do not be sad my friends

[Frank]

I'm gonna laugh if that lynch won us the game lol

[Frank]

that was a fake hammer guys for fucks sake

[Frank]

UNVOTE:

[Frank]

so bob or BB? that is the question

[Frank]

I was thinking we give him 1 night to potentially win us the game, lynch him if not

[Frank]

am I still scummy considering that was a fake hammer?? :S

[Frank]

VOTE: BBmolla

[Frank]

Holding onto that info when you should've been the NK last night concerns me a bit

[Frank]

Janitor's not normal Frank

I'm talking about your results

[Frank]

VOTE: PP

L-1

[Frank]

Frank are you the strongman

am I clear or not?

[Frank]

pops you are confusing the actual hell out of me.

what are your full results and on what nights

[Frank]

okay so you're just trolling me then? because you would see skitter dying to me if you and her targeted me n2.