Big Four Mafia! Game Over!

[Doctor Drew]

I don’t know what verify my claim means. I can’t prove my role if that’s what you’re asking. How are you conftown?

I am Pisskop's other mason. No CC.

I am asking you to claim your PM.

Oh nice. I can’t read you for Turkey’s sake so that’s nice. I would actually like people to claim their flavor before I claim.

I think it's best that you claim first.

[Doctor Drew]

Most obv Treestump:

Lavender.....sorry guys, not budging on this read.

Conf-Obv Town:

Titus...... clearly
Yurkin....... vanillaized

Prob-Possible town:

Turkey.....I was a fan of Eve's entrance, and Turkey seemed genuine with his 'what the shit is going on?' entrance in regards to his role claim.

Blatant Scum.....his test on Eve when she joined the game seemed town sided, I will say I feel they are both the same alignment, could have been all for show.


Null:

Jjh......I was town reading you early on, I will have to go back because there was something I didn't like, but, I like your posts today...... though you are really going after Blatant. I went back and forth on yours and Blatants spots on this list here.

Alchemist......I really wish I could put my finger on it, but he seems a bit passive and just letting things play out(I am not describing this the right way, but not sure else how to). Plus, I feel like this is the strongest possible town PR still around........why vanillaize an unknown(me) when Alchemist was right here? And not sure if I already said it, I was ripe for a mislynch. He is null here because there is nothing blatantly scummy(heh) about his play......just seems off and there are some mechanical issues with it.

Chenn......tracker right? Just like Turkey and Blatant are connected, so goes for Alch and Chenn. Though this time they are on opposite teams(TSE calling out Alch for visiting the masons is not two scum talking to each other). But, could be as simple as they are town....meh.

Prob Scum:

Creature........role phishing amirite? He was so worried about what I was hiding.....and then I end up vannialized. Became less confident in my mislynch as the days went on I guess.

Yoda......has basically done nothing under the guise of 'i am not used to the activity level'. Outside if that, basically has been neutrel on everything and not taken a stand.

There you go. Compare and contrast.....but you clearly see who I want to lynch.

[Doctor Drew]

Flubb was widely scum read.

And Looker did not claim beforehand.....but in retrospect did hint at it leading up to it.

Something about they were happy that they will at least be able to use their power.

[Doctor Drew]

What was Yurkin before they were vanillized? What were you before you were vanillized, Drew?

Yurkin was double voter.

I was 1 shot bulletproof.

[Doctor Drew]

I am good with voting Creature.....clearly.

VOTE: Creature

Creature, please answer Chenns question as well

[Doctor Drew]

Alright, here's the result.

Alch has a guilty on Drew allegedly.

Unless it is from the hood with Gamma.....he is lying.

[Doctor Drew]

Alright, here's the result.

Alch has a guilty on Drew allegedly.

Unless it is from the hood with Gamma.....he is lying.

No. He said traffic analyst. Your PT with Gamma wouldn't count.

Of course this was after I highlighted the Gamma hood.

Creature put you in the hood with Alch specifically for this to happen. You were adamant about my Lynch, they were stoking the flames to get you to follow up. Creature maybbe inno in this.....but Alch is not.

I have had one PT, with Gamma.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Drew

I love how in the same post Drew tries to say Creature was trying to set him up with the hood choice and then backtracks into saying he might be innocent.

Stream of consciousness.

Not a backtrack.

Creature may be scum with you, he may have done this purposely.

But.

The one certain is that you are lying.

[Doctor Drew]

Alchemist and Drew, what are your flavors?

Dan Spitz, lead guitarist of Anthrax on two separate occasions.

[Doctor Drew]

Titus, you cannot in good conscience say that Looker is town here. I understand you trusting pisskops reads, but look at their posts today..... especially in regards to Creature.

I can assure you that going after me is a wasted cause. You are the only conf town here, I am sure you can figure out why.

Also, I need to dig up Hectics quote regarding reading me from a previous game lol.

Let's push Drew. Pisskop suspected him and had Looker as town.

You can push me, but you aren't lynching me.

Did Pisskop expand on why he thought Looker was town?

Basically these posts saying 'I can't be lynched' and going after me is a 'wasted cause'.

Which after some thinking of why I was vanilla-ized, I believe they caught on to me softing BP.

Which is why they vanilla-ized me, and why Creature put Alch in a hood with Titud. How does Titus fit into all this? She has been scum reading me since basically she replaced in.

Alch lies about me having a PT to the confirmed town who would be very open to my mislynch. Seems like a good plan......but me being vannialized is tough to just ignore, scum would hope the 'guilty' would make people look past that. They unfortunately, miscalculated.

Alch is scum, no doubt about that. Slight chance that Creature is a victim of circumstance.....but a way way larger chance he is also scum.

Also, PT cop is the most dangerous power role to mafia that would be left.......what possible reason would there be to not vanillaize it if it is town based?

Simple answer, it isn't.

[Doctor Drew]

Yurkin I would say town, BS and Chenn I lean town on, gun to my head Chenn is more likely to be town then BS.

Yoda is third scum in my eyes(with Alch and creature). I could see jjh as the last scum.....but is townier than Yoda that's for sure.

[Doctor Drew]

Titus, you cannot in good conscience say that Looker is town here. I understand you trusting pisskops reads, but look at their posts today..... especially in regards to Creature.

I can assure you that going after me is a wasted cause. You are the only conf town here, I am sure you can figure out why.

Also, I need to dig up Hectics quote regarding reading me from a previous game lol.

Let's push Drew. Pisskop suspected him and had Looker as town.

You can push me, but you aren't lynching me.

Did Pisskop expand on why he thought Looker was town?

Basically these posts saying 'I can't be lynched' and going after me is a 'wasted cause'.

Which after some thinking of why I was vanilla-ized, I believe they caught on to me softing BP.

Which is why they vanilla-ized me, and why Creature put Alch in a hood with Titud. How does Titus fit into all this? She has been scum reading me since basically she replaced in.

Alch lies about me having a PT to the confirmed town who would be very open to my mislynch. Seems like a good plan......but me being vannialized is tough to just ignore, scum would hope the 'guilty' would make people look past that. They unfortunately, miscalculated.

Alch is scum, no doubt about that. Slight chance that Creature is a victim of circumstance.....but a way way larger chance he is also scum.

Also, PT cop is the most dangerous power role to mafia that would be left.......what possible reason would there be to not vanillaize it if it is town based?

Simple answer, it isn't.

My issue is that a BP claim in no way makes you unlynchablw or not a lynch worthy target. I’m curious why you thought that it would? Like what about BP makes it not worth going after you?

What are you talking about? I was 1 shot bulletproof, it would have been a waste to try to lynch me(I was going off the assumption there weren't any attempts on my life at night).

And I was vanilla-ized so the mislynch could go through. And Alch was placed in the hood with Titus because she is conf town who scum read me most of the game. The 'guilty' on me was meant to grease the wheels to my mislynch.

[Doctor Drew]

What are you talking about? I was 1 shot bulletproof, it would have been a waste to try to lynch me(I was going off the assumption there weren't any attempts on my life at night)

You see claiming BP does not make you unlynchable. It just makes you not likable. It is quite often lynched because that is a role scum like to claim because it cannot be confirmed.

The other stuff is super WIFOM.

But being BP makes me 1 time unlynchable, is my point.

[Doctor Drew]

I specified with the mod, I was bulletproof one time to any kill..... including lynch.

[Doctor Drew]

Talk to the mod post game I guess, but that's my role.

[Doctor Drew]

Drew, we meshed really well in Korina’s game but you aren’t doing much meshing.

What do you mean?

[Doctor Drew]

Also that game angered me because I couldn't understand why no one else saw that formerfish was obv scum.

But I digress.

[Doctor Drew]

You seem standoffish in this game.

Elaborate please.

[Doctor Drew]

Creature, what about Chenn makes you think scum?

[Doctor Drew]

What...... totally thought I was voting Alch.

VOTE: Alchemist

[Doctor Drew]

I no longer have access to Gamma's hood.

[Doctor Drew]

My current theory is that mafia is aware of mason existence, they were given PT cop and town were given neighbordizers to weaken it.

So you actually think Creature is town?

[Doctor Drew]

Lol, and that terrible joke makes you 200% scum.

Also, in what world would a claimed town PT cop, the most dangerous PR to scum that would be left in the game, be left alive or not vanilla-ized.

Someone please explain to me like I am five years old how scum would allow that to happen.

[Doctor Drew]

I meant more leaving the PT cop to just roam free all game, even though town PT cop would be their biggest threat.

[Doctor Drew]

Yoda is scum in my eyes, I feel like Turkey is town and is just overly confused by the game so far. By POE I would say jjh is likely scum, but not as confident as I feel about Yoda.

[Doctor Drew]

And this is with Alch and Creature, if I wasn't already clear about that.

[Doctor Drew]

I am 95% sure Creature is scum. I find it HIGHLY coincidental that he put the scum PT cop in a hood with the person who has scum read me all game, especially when scum is looking for that one last mislynch (we are in Mylo/lylo right?). Like you said Titus, they just thought you would blindly lynch me without any question.

And yes, I don't see Chenn as the same alignment as Creature.

[Doctor Drew]

I think if Alch is town lurkers are more likely to be scum because they're just letting the Alch lynch happen and are content with this

I go opposite on that take, mainly because he is scum. They would rather lurk then defend.

They are reading how the day is going and would rather see him lynched rather than defend him and possibly implicate themselves. I believe they feel that, while not ideal for them, they still have a good shot at winning.

Creature has posted blindly believing Alch a bit, does make me scratch my chin a bit.

[Doctor Drew]

I sympathize with being too lazy to use notepad and having to say literally everything I think in thread, that's literally my playstyle

+1

[Doctor Drew]

I do get that

I just doubt it's mylo due to how ppl have been playing

It is almost certainly mylo. It's just the teams are mostly clear. Scum can't move on Drew bc I don't endorse it.

Alch can't be quick hammered because he's scum.

You could argue vice versa but a townie townreads Alch and the scum are spaced apart.

Scum would sacrifice Alch, this play was to try to end the game, and if it doesn't work they will survive to another day and try for a mislynch tomorrow.

I do feel that scum was under the impression that it was Mylo/lylo today though.

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: lol, thought you said it almost certainly wasn't Mylo.....who else is drinking tonight?

[Doctor Drew]

Drew botched his fakeclaim

Explain please.

And turkey, I have been discussing who I think is the other scum. That other game I was the main wagon and I was the only person who saw fish as obv scum as my mislynch was happening, was frustrating to no end. Very different then was is happening here.

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: Jjh, ok I see your explanation (in the middle of catching up).

My role said I would survive one death. I asked mod for clarification if that included lynch, he said yes.

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: Jjh, ok I see your explanation (in the middle of catching up).

My role said I would survive one death. I asked mod for clarification if that included lynch, he said yes.

But your role is called bulletproof?

Correct, which is why I asked for clarification on if it meant any death.

[Doctor Drew]

O it was

You didn't know that was hammer?

But anyways, he's scum so at least he is dead.

Creature tomorrow.

[Doctor Drew]

Is Alch flips town I will punch the person next to me lol.

[Doctor Drew]

Alchemist has never been at L-1. Titus was lying about that.

I don't lie about votes. I might fake hammer that's it. Town Titus relies too much on votes to start deliberately misleading.

My opinion on Turkey is changing a bit. He seemed to do a bit of misrepping today that bothered me.

[Doctor Drew]

If I die, I hope Drew can pick up where I left off.

Explaine your thoughts on Creature a bit more.

I am extremely confident they are scum.

[Doctor Drew]

Dan Spitz, guitarist for Anthrax....if you still needed it.

[Doctor Drew]

Creature, why did you choose Alch and Titus for the hood?

[Doctor Drew]

jjh, does your hiding work on PRs too?
Dr. Drew, what would happen if you were lynched while bulletproof?

I wouldn't die, we all had this discussion yesterDay.

Creature, gun to your head who you lynching?

[Doctor Drew]

How would YodaVader/ yurkin, Creature, Doctor Drew work as scum team?

Clarify?

[Doctor Drew]

How would YodaVader/ yurkin, Creature, Doctor Drew work as scum team?

Clarify?

Also, I don't see yurkin as scum, and I view Creature and Yoda independently scummy.

Are you saying Yoda and creature can't be scum together?

[Doctor Drew]

How would YodaVader/ yurkin, Creature, Doctor Drew work as scum team?

Clarify?

Dr. Drew would work with Alchemist patiently claiming his results to Titus before going public.
Creature for that PR revealing.
jjh927 - town for countering my bad reads yesterday
gobbledygook - obvtown from several people in the slot
Chennisden - I am the least sure here, but I don't see scum checking Dr. Drew N4

Oh sorry I thought you were asking me about Creature and Yoda/Yurkin lol.

[Doctor Drew]

I could see BS and Creature distancing here.

BS, theoretically speaking, if Creature wasn't here who would you lynch?

[Doctor Drew]

finally a flip

Huh?

VOTE: Dr. Drew

Hmm?

You have some serious clarifying to do.

[Doctor Drew]

@mod

do we know if we get vanillized?

Why did he ask this?

Stupid question, was that before or after the night he claims to be vannialized?

[Doctor Drew]

And seems like something you would ask in a PM.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, not that I fear being lynched, but no VC yet.

Yurkin is voting me, for reasons I guess.

No one else drop a vote yet.

[Doctor Drew]

Pisskop claimed that he and Titus had the same flavour but in different bands
But obviously we now know that's not true

Ok..?

Also it was true

They were both lead vocalists of their respective bands.......what were you trying to prove here?

[Doctor Drew]

I think we should give jjh a public target to hide tonight

Why are you certain a Yoda lynch doesn't end the game?

[Doctor Drew]

I think we should give jjh a public target to hide tonight

Why are you certain a Yoda lynch doesn't end the game?

To clarify.

You are doing what you didn't do yesterDay, sacrifice your scum mate to buy town cred.

Pre Edit: Don't get me wrong, I am on board with a Yoda lynch (prefer creature tbh).

But Creature seems to know that this doesn't end the game, meaning he knows Yoda is scum....ergo....

Do I have to say it?

[Doctor Drew]

Creature, I am not satisfied with your reasoning with putting Alch and Titus in a hood.

Don't you find it crazily coincidental that you would put one of two roles(traffic analyst or tracker) that could easily frame me in a hood with the person who wanted my head? Oh and, that could have been Egix as well.....crazy that Titus survived N3 though lol.

Why not Chenn? He could have 'tracked' me to Egix.

Why, when claiming that there is scum in the TI.....you refuse to believe Alch could be scum?

No more AtE, no more woe is me........explain why you did everything you did yesterDay before I release hell on you.

Also, everyone needs to stop voting for the time being.

[Doctor Drew]

You guys know that leaving someone on L-1 in MyLo is dangerous, right?

The fact he hasn't been quick hammered may be telling though.

[Doctor Drew]

Also, I thought he was L-2 at most?

[Doctor Drew]

Intake - VC 1.1

YodaVader (2): gobbledygook, Creature
Doctor Drew (1): yurkin
Not Voting (5): YodaVader, Chennisden, Blatant Scum, Doctor Drew, jjh927
With 8 alive it takes 5 to SHRED.
Day 5 ends on January 9th, 2020 at 1:00pm EST in (expired on 2020-01-09 13:00:00)

Hmm, was gonna say again that it is telling that Yoda hasn't been quick hammered.....meaning he is scum.

But I forgot Creature was voting him, my main scum read.

Yoda was my next prob scum read though.

But now BS trying to pass off the Yoda wagon at L-1 when he clearly wasnt almost makes think he is scummier than Creature!

I do agree with Creature on Yurkin, we are essentially in endgame......be useful or replace out.

Pre Edit: I know he is voting me, but it is more like he hasn't even been paying attention. And then he is nowhere to be found for follow ups. Everyone of his posts feels like a prod dodge.

[Doctor Drew]

Shit, didn't even realized that Yurkin had 159 posts, almost double what Yoda has(Yoda has less then the mod lol).

Turkey, did you have an activity flowchart on Yurkin?

[Doctor Drew]

Gobble I'd vote Yoda if someone else other than Creature was on the wagon

BTW this isn't an invitation to get on the wagon

I need a little time to think about this

This is a big part of the issue for me.

[Doctor Drew]

And, I cannot see bussing at this point.

[Doctor Drew]

Yurkin has also blatantly scumposted too, so there's that

Where was this?

[Doctor Drew]

And, I cannot see bussing at this point.

I agree, maybe try seeing a scum!Yoda town!me world

Coming from the person who never saw a town!Drew until he had to lol.

Pre Edit: Oh lol, thought it was something more subtle I missed.

[Doctor Drew]

Chenn, gun to your head......yurkin over Yoda though?

[Doctor Drew]

I could see one scum(Creature) on the wagon.....maybe.

So are you changing your tune on Creature?

[Doctor Drew]

The thing I don't like, Chenn, is that you are more content with the game potentially ending now versus solving the game.

[Doctor Drew]

I will say this again. I don’t think Yurkin is town so it doesn’t matter.

Why Yoda over Yurkin then?

And Chenn....not sure what that freak out was about lol.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't get your overall point tbh.

[Doctor Drew]

You voted and unvoted me right away.

[Doctor Drew]

Why specifically is Yoda cleared?

And why are you acting this way BS?

If Yoda is in fact town, though, I kind of believe it was actually an attempt at a quick hammer that failed.

But, still not sure how to make sense of what has happened today.

[Doctor Drew]

I now just think everyone of you is scum and will hammer anybody if it comes to it.

[Doctor Drew]

Again I ask, why is Yoda prob town after what happened today?

Why is Creature flying under the radar?

Why has Chenn given up on Creature?

How many more questions will I ask?

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Creature

Huh......

Fuck it, stuck to my guns I guess.

VOTE: Creature

[Doctor Drew]

Wait...what?

[Doctor Drew]

So.....to be clear.

Yoda, Chenn, jjh for scum.

Creature was town?

[Doctor Drew]

HAHAHAH

[Doctor Drew]

Hi5 scum.

[Doctor Drew]

HAHAHAHA

[Doctor Drew]

Guys I wasn't town....

[Doctor Drew]

No Drew

No

Third party.

Survivor baby!

[Doctor Drew]

No, that was 100% the truth.

I started the game townsided, but quickly tried to be scum sided as I read the tea leaves.

I didn't really think Looker was scum, and when she was lynched and took Flubb out as well I thought it would be a victory.

Then you fuckers vannialized me and Creature put Alch in a hood with Titus........lol lynch anybody but me D4 and we win scum.

Explain N3 and D4 to me.

Pre Edit: Lol Creature, I was convinced you were scum right until earlier today.

And you out Alch in a hood with the person who scum read me the most.

That was so incredibly scummy!

[Doctor Drew]

I had you pegged as either bulletproof or 3p

Why try to get me lynched then?

[Doctor Drew]

Because you were one achievable lynch and you claimed bulletproof so I forgot about the 3p thing

Ah, so that's the vannialized reason.....I was kind of thinking you thought I had a more powerful role.

What was the reaction on the PT when Titus didn't do what you wanted?

[Doctor Drew]

Also, I was busy at work earlier and didn't have alot if time.

But if I did, I may have hammered Yoda.

If that happened, was I the night kill?

[Doctor Drew]

Also, if anybody cares, I wasn't Dan Spitz of Anthrax.

I was Jeff Waters, front man for Annihilator. They were a thrash band that never got the recognition the Big 4 got......and Jeff Waters was not happy about it.

[Doctor Drew]

the setup was poorly designed

Well, it was a semi bastard game.

[Doctor Drew]

Someone was a secret third party?

*Waves*

[Doctor Drew]

3ps can add shit to setups it's just you should use them sparingly and in cool ways

Setup only works if everyone is previously told they exist

The surprise element is no more than the equivalent of finding out rats chewed your money

I will go back and find my post where I said 'Baker Level Bastard' literally means third party.

[Doctor Drew]

Never voting Pisskop

Need to decide if I'm voting Alch for this shit

I fail to see Alch's scum motivation behind that.

If I know Baker, he loves third parties in his games.

May not be scum motivation, also may not be town motivation (Investigative role yes, town based no).

Here it is......fun calling out your own secret role.

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: Ooh look at me being all good calling out Alch for not being town.

[Doctor Drew]

Yoda was literally going to die before you pulled that stupid hammer reaction test, so... no.

Hey we could have locked on chen being scum afterwards

I was leaning towards that, didn't pursue for obvious reasons.

[Doctor Drew]

When I get enough room in a game I play scum with the intention of making noise to achieve an agenda, not for being townread

Ya your posting was starting to to seem super obv scum tbh.

Again, was not going to point it out.

[Doctor Drew]

There were a couple of moments a quickhammer could have occurred

The most heartbreaking one was when I hung around for like an hour and a half after Yoda said he was there in the PT and then just wasn't there at all

I was ready to go on BS as well.

Terrifying not knowing who the mislynch is, and if scum is around to complete it.

[Doctor Drew]

Lowkey think we should consider all voting BS and seeing if Drew hammers it for us

From scum PT

My post where I said I will just hammer anyone was meant as a sign to scum.

[Doctor Drew]

gg everyone

Turkey, one day we will be on the same page haha.

[Doctor Drew]

are you saying good game or are you abbreviating your name

I don't want to page top this lowkey nice joke.

[Doctor Drew]

Jjh, just curious, what about my play made you think I was third party?

[Doctor Drew]

Jjh, just curious, what about my play made you think I was third party?

Wasn't really your play for the most part. Was pure setup spec

The bulletproof thing?

[Doctor Drew]

I shouldn't overplay this bit anyway. I was far more confident you were bulletproof than that you were 3p

Oh, I basically gave it away that I was bulletproof.

I was just wondering if there was a tell I didn't notice I was doing that mad me obv third party.

And Turkey, you mentioned the metaloclypse game to Titus where I was cult leader.....at that point I really thought you were scum for a brief moment

[Doctor Drew]

I was just wondering if there was a tell I didn't notice I was doing that mad me obv third party.

Definitely not

I considered it briefly with setup

then I looked at wincons and totally ruled it out

then you claimed bulletproof and I just sat around pleased with myself

Well Hi5 for awesome PR hunting!

There are many many thrash bands that could be considered for the Big 4.

As a metal head, I was actually surprised this wasn't a multi ball setup.

[Doctor Drew]

When you put it like that, it really makes a lot of sense. I know nothing about metal; however, I'm inspired by how much thought you put into the setup.

I was hoping there would be another secret 3p, a serial killer from the death metal world.

Either Corpsegrinder from Cannibal Corpse(he is a hunter irl) or Chuck Schuldinger from Death(he basically is the godfather of death metal.

And flavor wise they want to take out all thrash bands so death metal can reign supreme.

Besides not having that, loved the game Baker. Never played as survivor before it is was terrifying haha. The last two game days just sort of went exactly how it could have for me to win, because I was not surviving(heyo) another Night.

Also, as a funny aside. Gamma neighbored me as there was an ongoing(and now done) game where I neighbored him. Both times ended in his mislynch. I am the mark of death in a hood haha.

[Doctor Drew]

This game was bullshit

Why the FUCK did y’all lynch Creature
Pretty sure I stated Creature was very likely town if Alchemist was scum + masons were real

Tbf, there was only one town on his wagon.

[Doctor Drew]

I texted my mom this, the most proud she has ever been of me.

[Doctor Drew]

Rigged.

Jealous?

Also, fuck the scummies......the Golden Baguette is the real pinnacle of mafiascum.