Big Four Mafia! Game Over!

[jjh927]

Where's Lavender at

[jjh927]

The fuck kind of interpretation of the game is that

[jjh927]

Creature - scumread, wanted to reveal lots of town PRs

This particularly looks like a scumslip

The people pushed by creature to claim, myself included, are literally next on your lynch list

[jjh927]

That's not physically fucking possible

[jjh927]

Creature - scumread, wanted to reveal lots of town PRs
YodaVader - null
jjh927 - hasn't done anything towny whole game
Doctor Drew - scum because of being in D1 wagon, slight townlie for that role claim.

Why have you literally nothing to say about Yoda and yet you have to say about me that I have done nothing when I feel like I've been a cohesive force for town?

Why is Drew scum for being on the day 1 wagon which you were also on?

[jjh927]

Why is Drew scum for being on the day 1 wagon which you were also on?

Because I am town.

[jjh927]

jjh927

, Doctor Drew,

JacksonVirgo

,

Gamma Emerald

,

Egix96

, Yodavader,

Blatant Scum

,

Titus

,

Wake88

Actually, on the second glance, he might be town. But then one of my townleans is bad.

Okay HOW have you reached EITHER of these conclusions

[jjh927]

Why does your plucking votes out of context support either the conclusion that Drew is scum or the conclusion that Drew is town

You don't appear to be using wagon placement and that's already a shaky science at best. What it looks like to me is that you are just scooping around for any old bullshit to support pre-determined conclusions.

[jjh927]

I "broke" it? I pointed out it was hypocritical and that you had given no reasoning to support it, so you decided to change your tune.

The lack of reasoning in 2828 is literally why I just asked you to provide reasoning for either stance with regard to that wagon

[jjh927]

I should make this explicitly clear in case you are just dense, but this is probably the last benefit of the doubt you are getting:

I would like to know the specifics of why you think, or why you thought, Doctor Drew being on that wagon indicates his alignment in either direction.

[jjh927]

That's fallacy anyway

[jjh927]

Find the towny

Doctor Drew
Chennisden
Blatant Scum
Creature
YodaVader

[jjh927]

It means someone who is town

[jjh927]

Obviously Titus is town
Then we have Eve, Alch, and Yurkin, all of whom I am comfortable locking in as town. Eve obvtowned, Yurkin obvtowned but to a slightly lesser extent but also got verifiably vanillaised, and Alch innoed Flubb among other things.

So I'm sitting here confident as hell that there's 4 scum in 5 names

[jjh927]

Not sure why I'm explaining this to you at this point tbh because you're probably one of them. Based on your readslist Yoda and Chennis are too. Tossup on Creature and Drew

[jjh927]

Anyway it's still kinda weird you didn't target anyone but sure

In terms of worst case scenarios, a 10p mylo where I got killed didn't seem that bad in a game with conftown Titus who I assumed would look at my reads and keep the game together as well as Egix and possibly Lavender
Meanwhile I could conceive of just about anyone I could target being killed in some universe. It didn't seem worth it although the chance of either was probably negligible

[jjh927]

What number did you actually mean

[jjh927]

doc claim is easy to false....but surprised there wasn't another

There was Yoda and the weird bodyguard claim

And honestly a bodyguard probably fits the setup better in terms of just how many conftowns and such we have

[jjh927]

But they're probably both full of shit

[jjh927]

Wouldn't surprise me at all if scum were informed of some setup shit they could build fakeclaims around

[jjh927]

Yurkin for fuck's sake BE up to date with the game because you're town, this is MyLo, and I don't want to have to sit here explaining stuff to you like that Titus was a mason with pisskop who has been dead for a while now

[jjh927]

Okay I'm caught up on the three pages I somehow missed and skipped straight to the last page

[jjh927]

Who the cluck decided it would be a good idea to change hider so that it does not check alignment.

So annoying.

UNVOTE:

Did you totally miss the part where I specified the regular non-weak kind for people such as yourself

[jjh927]

Alchemist I think is scum for his bad reactions to Pisskop result. As PT cop, when you get a guilty, very specific things return false positives and he did not look for those at all. Not to mention revealing he had a result so quickly in the day. Seems very short sighted to go as hard on the PT result as he did.
Chennisden I think is town because I townread TSE. The claim there was unprovoked and seems very townie.
BS I think is town. He was vanillalized after revealing his power and has generally been trying to scumhunt.
Drew I think is town because he was also vanillalized and is trying to scumhunt. Plus he gave a lot of reads.

Did BS, Drew, or JJH ever flavor claim by the way?

Alch was forced to reveal he had a result by TSE claiming the track to pisskop. Dunno wtf kinda of TSE iso you're reading but the claim looked to me like it was made so he could coast off of it, like how he'd been coasting the rest of the game except some people actually townread him rather than scumread him when he claimed, and he outed Alch's PR and by extension the masonry while doing so.

[jjh927]

Find the towny

Doctor Drew
Chennisden
Blatant Scum
Creature
YodaVader

[jjh927]

Find the towny

Doctor Drew
Chennisden
Blatant Scum
Creature
YodaVader

It’s weird to me that you include two people who have been vanillalized but not Yurkin. Why?

Because Yurkin obvtowned at around the start of day 2 and is verifiably vanillaised. BS and Drew could very easily just be claiming to be vanillaised. Neither has obvtowned. In fact, BS has been outright scummy the whole game through. I'm currently thinking Drew might be the towny in my 5 though.

[jjh927]

Personally it's weird as shit to me that you townread Chennis based on TSE's play and that's probably the read I want you to revisit most

[jjh927]

Do you think it's likely he'll suddenly stop being erratic if he rolls scum

[jjh927]

It's not about his posting style. I'm saying a lot of things he did were done with clear scum motivation behind them

[jjh927]

It's not about his posting style. I'm saying a lot of things he did were done with clear scum motivation behind them

I do think he is less erratic as scum. I dont have any basis for that though.
I mean I disagree pretty heavily that his tracker claim was scum motivated. I don’t really understand the argument you made to say that it was scummy. It seemed like you were pinning Alchemists mishandling of his own role on TSE. Is that a fair assessment?

Alch was voting Pisskop, but had not claimed a result or even that he had one until TSE claimed to have tracked him to Pisskop and demanded to know what he did, which definitely increased the scale of that interaction and thus it ended only when both claimed. TSE also had plenty of reason to claim there as scum in that a lot of people scumread him for doing fuck all besides being a detractive presence from the game, and suddenly he was able to coast off of being a verified tracker.

[jjh927]

The only guiltyable people not in his poe are BS and Chennis because Drew should be in a hood with the deceased gamma

[jjh927]

Personally, a guilty outside of my own POE means my POE is guaranteed to be wrong

[jjh927]

Find the towny

Doctor Drew
Chennisden
Blatant Scum
Creature
YodaVader

[jjh927]

That's a traffic analyst not a pt cop

[jjh927]

Hmmm

[jjh927]

Did he say why he claimed PT cop if he is a traffic analyst

[jjh927]

VOTE: jjh927

Why this vote?

I am actually really annoyed that Yurkin quickvoted in MyLo then disappeared for any length of time

[jjh927]

VOTE: jjh927

Why this vote?

I am actually really annoyed that Yurkin quickvoted in MyLo then disappeared for any length of time

Why are we assuming mylo?

Why aren't you?

[jjh927]

The band Metallica has 4 members and I'm pretty sure that'll map onto the scumteam in this game

[jjh927]

Just let Titus do her thing

We'll get Alch's guilty when we get it

[jjh927]

Very ill atm but that's probably not going to change in the next week or so so I'm just going to try and catch up and be useful again

Could use a VC though

[jjh927]

Ooh that's a VC

[jjh927]

Yeah sure

VOTE: Alchemist

[jjh927]

wait
UNVOTE:

[jjh927]

Well let's end this

VOTE: Alchemist

If he's scum this doesn't end

[jjh927]

And that's your first post since you turned up to vote me ages ago which is probably why I guess is why this hasn't ended yet

[jjh927]

fuck now I've gotta read some votes

[jjh927]

This is hurting my head tbh

VOTE: Chennis

[jjh927]

fuck I was gonna vote

[jjh927]

Should have just voted rather than spending the last 10 minutes making this

Spoiler:

[jjh927]

Alch, who are the scum on your wagon rn

[jjh927]

Actually yes

VOTE: Yurkin

[jjh927]

and I'd feel a lot safer if either Titus or BS unvoted Alch tbh

[jjh927]

Although does this actually have higher independent chances of being scum than Drew

[jjh927]

Yurkin hasn't even been present in the day to get weighed down by it

[jjh927]

Yeah my vote is sticking there

[jjh927]

It feels like Yurkin basically just wasn't around to coordinate a hammer

[jjh927]

That post indicates that a hammer would be possible. I'd assume exactly 2 town on the Alch wagon and one is Titus, if so

[jjh927]

Can you talk me through it

[jjh927]

No I mean why are you so confident in Alch over Drew

[jjh927]

Oh that wasn't the response carry on

[jjh927]

I am concerned that Drew does not seem to really care that from his perspective if he was town, he would have a caught mafia 100%. That would invigorate me to find their buddies. He does not seem to be doing that.

One of my concerns is the creature vote he 'forgot' about
Not sure of much of the context but that looks like a side-play

But then Alch updating his claim is weird too

[jjh927]

This might be a bit tinfoil, but the vanillaiser might have a limitation of some sort. Natural thing to do if it failed would be to have scum claim vanillaised.

Further tinfoil says it's flavour related

[jjh927]

Today, the PT cop allegedly was not vanillaized or killed. That could create more conftown. Drew was vanillaized instead.

I was killed over Egix, despite largely having the same reads.

Both Alch and Creature predicted me living over Egix.

Alch opens the day claiming a guilty on Drew in our PT..

I said Drew was hooded before.

Alch asks mod questions in our PT.

He changes his claim to a Traffic Analyst after the mod answers the questions.

I sit on the guilty to get the landscape for later days.

Where did Alch predict you living over Egix?

I think this ultimately comes down to the guilty being really dodgy, which I think it is but I can only know the scale of it second hand

[jjh927]

This might be a bit tinfoil, but the vanillaiser might have a limitation of some sort. Natural thing to do if it failed would be to have scum claim vanillaised.

Further tinfoil says it's flavour related

Why would the vanillaizer be limited with this much power?

The closest tinfoil is Drew faked the vanillaizer on himself to get the last mislynch...but he couldn't predict the 1 v 1 then because Alch would be town then

Limitations are often the explanation for night action targets not making sense.

[jjh927]

I'm also having some difficulty in believing Drew is bulletproof when I am a hider and BS claimed a doctor who could self target

[jjh927]

What are you talking about? I was 1 shot bulletproof, it would have been a waste to try to lynch me(I was going off the assumption there weren't any attempts on my life at night).

And I was vanilla-ized so the mislynch could go through. And Alch was placed in the hood with Titus because she is conf town who scum read me most of the game. The 'guilty' on me was meant to grease the wheels to my mislynch.

But being BP makes me 1 time unlynchable, is my point.

I specified with the mod, I was bulletproof one time to any kill..... including lynch.

Wait wtf is this

[jjh927]

Drew botched his fakeclaim

[jjh927]

immunity to kill by any form including lynch is deathproof

[jjh927]

immunity to kill by any form including lynch is deathproof

He played consistently with it though. You didn't.

?

[jjh927]

If you're questioning my claim I did kinda crumb

I mean I could probably claim without much, if any, negative game impact

but it is one of those roles I like to wait on so I can tell scum to eat shit later

[jjh927]

but I think you thought 3469 was made by Alch for some reason

[jjh927]

I've been refreshing a lot because what I want to say keeps changing

[jjh927]

I think I'm ready to vote Alch

But what's wrong with the Chennis vote, Gobble

[jjh927]

Uuuuuuuuuuuuh

[jjh927]

Chennis, or more specifically the TSE slot, has been my biggest scumread for most of the game

[jjh927]

Did you actually iso me to come up with that

[jjh927]

Yeah it was a placeholder

[jjh927]

I was reading through isos for voting information regarding possible scum hammers and the like and it just made my headache worse

so instead of following that to its conclusion I put it to the side and voted Chennis

[jjh927]

Yeah it was a placeholder

Why even vote if that’s the case?

Well it wasn't gonna achieve anything but I didn't feel confident enough in anything achievable

[jjh927]

I'm not sure if I do now either

[jjh927]

That lasted 50 seconds

[jjh927]

JJH, what is your professional opinion about Alchemist’s claim/Drew’s claim? You claimed you were the best person to evaluate fake claims earlier this game.

It's an annoying position to be in on Alch's because I don't have the specifics. If I had to make a judgment independent of Drew's claim, I would probably lean towards it being a lie but I wouldn't be confident enough to stake my reputation on it.

Whereas Drew's claim looks absolutely like a fakeclaim to me. For a start, that's deathproof, not bulletproof. Drew has misunderstood what bulletproof meant, and then doubled down on it. I think it's far more likely that Drew has a role like godfather or strongman.

[jjh927]

I think there was another thing about Drew's claim where he tried to argue that scum vanillaised him in order to mislynch him, which would require them to know his role if it was true

Has Drew done any searching for a scum rolecop

[jjh927]

Post Edit: Jjh, ok I see your explanation (in the middle of catching up).

My role said I would survive one death. I asked mod for clarification if that included lynch, he said yes.

But your role is called bulletproof?

[jjh927]

Drew claimed vanillaized before the guilty.

Do you mean before it was revealed or before Alch told you about it

[jjh927]

Gobble, you aren't thinking very hard

[jjh927]

Maybe you're scum after all

which makes me happier to
VOTE: Alchemist
again

[jjh927]

If I am scum then Alchemist is scum because he was L-1 and I posted

[jjh927]

You literally L-1ed him

[jjh927]

You are wrong

[jjh927]

I hate you, jjh

You always show up in the online list but you never do anything

Wow that's rude

[jjh927]

I was seeing to some setup designing stuff elsewhere before I went down this particular rabbit hole

[jjh927]

You are Tom Araya, lead vocalist and bassist for Slayer since 1981.

This is the most surprising part of the Titus flip but I'd legitimately be willing to bet my vote that nobody else understands why this is a surprise

[jjh927]

Why are you lying about being ascetic

[jjh927]

Also who did you hide behind last night

Creature


Also I'm going to answer the flavour question last because I'm gonna do a thing with it, so you're gonna have to wait till Yurkin claims.

[jjh927]

But also don't lie about modifiers and expect me not to notice

[jjh927]

Also who did you hide behind last night

Creature


Also I'm going to answer the flavour question last because I'm gonna do a thing with it, so you're gonna have to wait till Yurkin claims.

No you should claim now.

I'm pretty sure my thing is better than yours but if you can tell me why Titus' flip was interesting I'll tell you my flavour now

[jjh927]

We're not no-lynching

If it comes to it I can try and get myself killed instead

[jjh927]

I’m not sure I understand. What does Titus have to do with claiming?

You'd be able to show me you possess a certain level of observation

[jjh927]

@mod

do we know if we get vanillized?

Why did he ask this?

Stupid question, was that before or after the night he claims to be vannialized?

It was D2. He claims to have been vanillaised N2.

[jjh927]

Anything I should look at before I go to bed?

[jjh927]

Why?

[jjh927]

Yurkin was vanillaised N1

[jjh927]

I mean Yurkin quickvoted me yesterday for no reason too

[jjh927]

I do wanna say Titus' reads were probably accurate on the basis that she correctly reevaluated wrt lynching Alch though

Yurkin can just be misguided

[jjh927]

Since I'm still awake let's have this

VOTE: Gobble

Why are you lying about being ascetic

[jjh927]

I'm waiting for Yurkin to claim before I do for multiple reasons.

[jjh927]

Wait what I'm on L-1??? I literally didn't realise

I'm some kind of investigative role. I check people and am told if they are guitarists or not
Bassists do not count

The person I replaced checked you last night and you are a guitarist

[jjh927]

If there are no objections, everybody claim their flavor name/instrument etc and TP should be on me.

[jjh927]

I could find many more posts from your predecessors that all individually prove beyond any reasonable doubt that you are lying about being ascetic.

[jjh927]

Also whatever the fuck this post was

I am jailor goon

[jjh927]

I didn't feel like dying after I noticed something with the Alch flip that I'll get on to later

[jjh927]

I didn't feel like dying after I noticed something with the Alch flip that I'll get on to later

Dude you’re literally just stalling so that you know what instrument to claim.

Scum demonstratably have fakeclaims and I would like Yurkin to claim before me for MULTIPLE different reasons, all of which I will explain in due course but at least 2 of them lose their value if I say them

[jjh927]

You've lied about being ascetic and doubled down on it

[jjh927]

And there's the "You must be scum because you knew I was lying"

[jjh927]

And if you were town you could probably wait until I'm ready to say the things I need to

[jjh927]

I did just demonstrate that I can tell when people are lying when I have all the information to go off

I'm less sure about Drew lying after the Alch flip for both the obvious reasons as well as specifics of the traffic analyst pm

[jjh927]

The only time I can think of that I was wrong was on Aristophanes with a beautifully handcrafted fakeclaim in some upick

[jjh927]

Do you want to know what was interesting about Titus flip, since it doesn't directly play into the thing I want to do

[jjh927]

Pisskop claimed that he and Titus had the same flavour but in different bands
But obviously we now know that's not true

[jjh927]

No, the point doesn't go anywhere directly

[jjh927]

I'd just have yielded a little in terms of mechanicsy stuff if you were observant enough to have seen it

[jjh927]

bbledygook - I assume proven flavorco

I don’t think I am

You're not proven. You have only verified claims.

[jjh927]

UNVOTE:

[jjh927]

Yurkin NEEDS to claim asap so I can do a thing

[jjh927]

Yeah but if they target someone else they have targeted someone else

I'm behind the idea tbh

[jjh927]

Okay actual bedtime now

[jjh927]

VOTE: Creature

[jjh927]

Yes Gobble is scum and that is why me chennis and yoda all voted in a 28 second span and hammered

[jjh927]

Nah it's a super townsided game tbh

[jjh927]

The vanillaiser picks 3 targets and one is randomly selected

[jjh927]

Plus you had 2 masons and an IC
and a bunch of roles that were heavily likely to be town, most of which never actually got claimed before death (cop is practically guaranteed town, treestump, supersaint, doctor with those mods, commuter miller is generally extremely believable if you're not just "miller bad", the rather limited flavourcop that actually could have guiltied one scum because one of our fake flavourclaims was shit)

[jjh927]

Also your IC was informed there were no vanillas and your cop was informed of the existence of the vanillaiser

The first makes fakeclaiming really hard for roles like godfather which was what I was. The second makes us inherently less likely to have made the kill on the cop because the informed claim makes active roles less likely

[jjh927]

Day 1 massclaim would have broken the setup open completely and got a guilty on a godfather 90% of the time

[jjh927]

Btw I didnt know Jjhs role the entire game

I was a godfather

[jjh927]

No Drew

No

Third party.

Survivor baby!

Were you actually lying about the bulletproof thing because I actually would have staked my reputation as a lie detector that you were indeed bullshitting

[jjh927]

No Drew

No

Third party.

Survivor baby!

Holy shit Drew, if you fucking claimed we couldve no lycnhed.

Could have faked a survivor claim to catch scum. I wouldn't have trusted a survivor claim

[jjh927]

If Yurkin had actually claimed flavour I was gonna do so much dumb bullshit too

Did you know that the only people we know the flavours of who have claimed to be vanillaised are all guitarists?

[jjh927]

All he had to do was vote no lynch

Then we couldve just quickhammered

It's mylo not lylo

[jjh927]

12v4v1 is actually scumsided

You had THREE fucking absolute conftowns and many other roles that would have been proven town by setup

scum's potential for fakeclaims was ultimately pretty bad

Day 1 massclaim would have won the game, especially with the IC being informed of no vanillas

[jjh927]

There was also a mod error in town's favour that really limited some of my options for pushing

Deb answered a question about the vanillaiser for BS ages ago

[jjh927]

Its half not half plus one for no lynch.

Sure but what happens the next day

I would have been very hesitant to trust a survivor claim going for a no lynch

[jjh927]

Holy fuck I just realised that means I was right about both of my theories about Drew's role before he claimed in the scum PT

[jjh927]

I had you pegged as either bulletproof or 3p

[jjh927]

Because you were one achievable lynch and you claimed bulletproof so I forgot about the 3p thing

[jjh927]

We didn't really care because Creature seemed more of a likely lynch

[jjh927]

I thought Titus would eventually go in a totally different direction and there'd be a mistake somewhere to embellish

[jjh927]

Also, I was busy at work earlier and didn't have alot if time.

But if I did, I may have hammered Yoda.

If that happened, was I the night kill?

You'd have been my pick

[jjh927]

the setup was poorly designed

[jjh927]

Why did scum vanillalize the double voter? Seems like one of the most sub optimal moves made this game.

TSE

And also 3 random targets

But mostly TSE. The first set of night actions were determined by him because I hadn't really paid that much attention to the game on day 1 so I sorta autopiloted and let him decide stuff

then I realised the whole thing was fucking stupid when it turned out we vanillaised Yurkin and then he did the whole thing with Alch which was way too high profile for him imo because it reminded people he existed

[jjh927]

The setup I have my best setup banner for had a 3p in it

3ps can add shit to setups it's just you should use them sparingly and in cool ways

[jjh927]

He was a survivor so he wins with us friendly scumbutts

[jjh927]

I take what I said back about the setup being poorly designed. I think probably the only bad design aspect of it is the fact that the Vanillalizer is apparently ungated. It is essentially getting two kills a night.

It's Yoda's weird bodyguard claim. Pick 3 targets, 1 is randomly selected as the actual target

[jjh927]

Most of the town power was in the masonry, IC, and roles that were extremely likely to be town.

[jjh927]

If the cop had lived a couple of nights and got some innos the setup would have pretty clearly been townsided af

[jjh927]

But for reasons we ended up killing Crimson. I don't even remember why but they probably weren't good mechanical reasons

[jjh927]

No we knew nothing we just got lucky

We had 0 setup info

[jjh927]

Also no safe fakeclaims

and half of us had roles we couldn't claim in a setup with no vanillas where an IC was informed of the lack of vanillas

[jjh927]

Also no safe fakeclaims

and half of us had roles we couldn't claim in a setup with no vanillas where an IC was informed of the lack of vanillas

I knew you guys had no safeclaims. I was so annoyed when my role was forced to claim because it could have been super powerful. Even if Eve had not said Bassists do not count that would have been enough to be useful. But in the end, not really cause you just vanillalized me without any repercussions.

So fun.

Golden Baguette award goes to Drew though.

We had safe flavourclaims, just not roleclaims

[jjh927]

And Alch's fake flavourclaim didn't fit his instrument so he took mine instead

[jjh927]

You could have guiltied exactly one scum

[jjh927]

I would have made a convincing case for you being the vanillaiser if Yurkin had claimed a guitarist flavour though

[jjh927]

Drew would have presumably sided with town if you didn't repeatedly make terrible life choices

[jjh927]

We should really talk more about Looker making the choice to withhold being a supersaint so he could kill someone who had been innoed by Alch

[jjh927]

I would have made a convincing case for you being the vanillaiser if Yurkin had claimed a guitarist flavour though

Over unconfirmed lurker Yoda? Press X to Doubt.

Yeah

If Yurkin was a a guitarist, everyone who claimed vanillaised was a guitarist

[jjh927]

There were a couple of moments a quickhammer could have occurred

The most heartbreaking one was when I hung around for like an hour and a half after Yoda said he was there in the PT and then just wasn't there at all

[jjh927]

Oh yeah I was around like all the time in day 4 I just didn't post much in the thread

[jjh927]

Lowkey think we should consider all voting BS and seeing if Drew hammers it for us

From scum PT

[jjh927]

TSE carried this scumteam my lord

Fuck no

Look at who drove mislynches

[jjh927]

Lavender was pretty much all me
Gamma kinda just happened and we let it
Looker was a pretty critical one for which I'll share credit with Chennis, especially with Chennis encouraging Flubber to quickhammer leading to his demise
and Creature was mostly Chennis' machinations really

[jjh927]

are you saying good game or are you abbreviating your name

[jjh927]

Just reads as gobbledygook to me

[jjh927]

He sure does

[jjh927]

Does Vanillaizer know if he succeeds?

Vanillaizer is informed their power worked (it would be complicated for me to go further into detail about this).

I asked this mod and I think that this might be relevant.
Chances are that Vanillaizer can steal the power he drains, or at least get a piece of information about who he drained.

[jjh927]

DEB answered a question not only confirming to BS the existence of a vanillaizer role, but also answered a question with a key detail about the role's implementation in the game

[jjh927]

Jjh, just curious, what about my play made you think I was third party?

Wasn't really your play for the most part. Was pure setup spec

[jjh927]

Jjh, just curious, what about my play made you think I was third party?

Wasn't really your play for the most part. Was pure setup spec

The bulletproof thing?

When I thought you might be 3p, everyone else had claimed roles

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I shouldn't overplay this bit anyway. I was far more confident you were bulletproof than that you were 3p

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DEB answered a question not only confirming to BS the existence of a vanillaizer role, but also answered a question with a key detail about the role's implementation in the game

Eh, everyone knew it existed because of Lavendar’s role.

Because of Crimson's role. But even so, everyone didn't KNOW it existed in terms of game mechanics

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The important part is knowing it had succeeded; a detail that if you were aware of you wouldn't have attempted the whole ascetic thingy but I wasn't gonna draw attention to the question again. There were things I wanted to attack BS with that just wouldn't have worked so well with that question

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Ftr though I'd have known you were lying about ascetic even without that 100% of the time

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Worst part of this game is that I wanted Gyro's slot

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fuck playing scum tbh

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I was just wondering if there was a tell I didn't notice I was doing that mad me obv third party.

Definitely not

I considered it briefly with setup

then I looked at wincons and totally ruled it out

then you claimed bulletproof and I just sat around pleased with myself

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The issue with there being a 3p in this setup is that scum is called metallica and town is called not-metallica

So Drew's 3p falls into the not-metallica category

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The best PR hunting was by accident when we killed Crimson

I actually found a post saying what I did about how the mechanically optimal kill was probably BS but I was quite happy to kill Crimson even though informed was probably his entire role because he'd need killing eventually


but I did spot the masons, BS' limitation, and bulletproof drew. So that's something. A lot of our night actions were just hedging bets, eg tracking BS the night we vanillaised him in case we got one of the other 2 people instead so we'd know who he targeted and thus have a safe kill target for the next night.

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Anyway

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When's deb gonna end the game