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[tictac]

oh cool, i buy this
UNVOTE:

we should finish massclaims, but provisionally ok w looker lynch.
skitt can go last if she wants,given this.

still think garm is town.

[Saudade]

january is so scum

[skitter30]

Skitt can go whenever she wants, not because of january, but because she's a mason
(I dont usually decide to just like, not do massclaim, ya know)

I don't understand this setup, really. Imo ungated loyal is too strong for town given that we also, like, exist

Despite that i believe the claim; how january interacted with me around the garmr fruit thing lines up with her claim

The only other thing i can think of that would really explain her behavior yesterdy is if she is a rolecop/scum have a rolecop and checked me n1 and decided to have january loltreat me as conftown yesterday and then claim loyal md. Like this is technically/mechanically plausible, i guess, but not super likely imo ?

Oh also i'm the mailman, we sent a message to wake n1 telling him to do something along the lines of 'use the word 'happy' in your first three posts and have your second post start with the letter m if you get this'

I was having fun quasi-pretending to be loyal, but to be clear i'm not, in fact, loyal.

I didnt immediately give an answer to garmr because wake hadnt posted yet and if i waited a bit until he did i knew i'd be able to get a sense for if i'd been jk'd or not
@tictac the main reason i felt ok saying i didnt get fruit at the time that i said it had little to do with garmr and more to do with the fact that at that point i knew my role/abiltiy to do and receive actios hadnt been interfered with. I.e. wake posting and confirming receipt of the message came in middle of the fruit thing and that changed how i behaved wrt garmr

Also we thought fl was a scum role like designed to find us, which is what was throwing me off there, and why we were suspicious of him, it basically looked like a scum role meant to find masons

[skitter30]

oh cool, i buy this
UNVOTE:

we should finish massclaims, but provisionally ok w looker lynch.
skitt can go last if she wants,given this.

still think garm is town.

Why do you buy this, and why do you think looker was the mailman?

[skitter30]

actually pretty sure maf has a roleblock or a million of them

Y tho

[Skellen]

Hm, that claim actually explains january's stance on Garmr/skitter on D2, because I was tending to agree with Garmr when he pointed out that her stance on skitter felt like tmi.

Since she was considering if Looker might be ascetic I take it that she would get "no movements" or something like that on town roles that didn't do something or were targeted, no? Basically loyal Motion Detector is an ungated full alignment Cop. Weird role tbh.

That means Looker is according to her definitely scum here (unless ascetic, but I doubt it), so either we get scum lynched today and if he would flip town she is confirmed as liar so we get a scum lynch in any case. Sweet. Would make the Sujimichi slot more interesting, since his predecessor claimed to be town with the looker slot twice on D1 (Non/Maria).

Then again I want to go back and reread some D1 interactions, because I am fairly sure january was townreading FL for most of D1, even when he was claiming disloyal announcing PT Cop which was by function almost the same as her role (because also basically full alignment Cop).

[skitter30]

I still want tictac, i think

But we need to finish massclaim

And january's role doesnt make sense in this setup

[skitter30]

Since she was considering if Looker might be ascetic I take it that she would get "no movements" or something like that on town roles that didn't do something or were targeted, no? Basically loyal Motion Detector is an ungated full alignment Cop. Weird role tbh.

Yes

[tictac]

Why do you buy this, and why do you think looker was the mailman?

- tr on jan
- lines up w day 2 as ya said
- would be silly to claim an inno on ya when u playing day 3 like a PR and haven't outed any results. could be scum w you but just leads to 2 of ya lynched day 4 and 5, so also silly. could be scum who rolecopped ya n2 i guess, didn't actually think of that, but still unlikely.
- looker cause general PR-read.
- is saud actually a mason? lol.

[tictac]

That means Looker is according to her definitely scum here (unless ascetic, but I doubt it)

or roleblock or jailkeep or something.
it's a soft guilty, not a hard one.

[tictac]

fairly sure january was townreading FL for most of D1, even when he was claiming disloyal announcing PT Cop which was by function almost the same as her role (because also basically full alignment Cop).

she was pretty clear about townreading him

despite

thinking he was fakeclaiming.
still a point tho.

[Skellen]

Nothing particular came out of looking into january's stance on Fl on D1. It was weird that she had him as highest townread after his disloyal claim, but by #621 I interpret it that she wasn't believing his claim anyway. So nothing bad about that I think.

[skitter30]

Oh also i played day1 and day2 the way i did cuz i was trying not to get nk'd

We're in a p good position now because of it

[Skellen]

or roleblock or jailkeep or something.
it's a soft guilty, not a hard one.

Yeah, or that. With Masons being in these would be most likely scum roles then, so that would be difficult to verify.

Wasn't also considering the Rolecop angle. Although I am not sure what the play would be here if scum!january.

[skitter30]

looker cause general PR-read.

Y tho

[tictac]

I still want tictac, i think

4 u I actually do recommend taking a peek at my one completed scumgame.
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72770
i think ur expected competence level is out of whack when it comes to my scumgame.
also, i think the scum-pt is fun reading

[tictac]

looker cause general PR-read.

Y tho

just a feeling i got.
i haven't exactly been PR-hunting here

[skitter30]

I still want tictac, i think

4 u I actually do recommend taking a peek at my one completed scumgame.
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72770
i think ur expected competence level is out of whack when it comes to my scumgame.
also, i think the scum-pt is fun reading

Oh you were in ~that~ game. Huh. I def read it a while back for other players, i will take a look

The looker comment kinda made me think you were, in fact, pr hunting

Also in the back of my mind i'm wondering if garmr got the idea for his fruit thing from my mailman thing, that'a also why i'm wary

[tictac]

I was having fun quasi-pretending to be loyal, but to be clear i'm not, in fact, loyal.

i don't get this tbh. wouldn't scum!wake know ya not loyal when he received the message? so he would confirm either way?

[tictac]

The looker comment kinda made me think you were, in fact, pr hunting

Subject: Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Over

i was kinda pr-reading susp tho, so at least I got that right.

^same thing

[skitter30]

I was having fun quasi-pretending to be loyal, but to be clear i'm not, in fact, loyal.

i don't get this tbh. wouldn't scum!wake know ya not loyal when he received the message? so he would confirm either way?

A) werent you pretending to be a loyal mailman like yesterday?

B) the message was vague, and could be read as me being any of loyal/disloyal/complex/simple; wake didnt really have any of knowing. It was a reaction test, and i didnt have much better ideas as to what to do with being a mailman

[tictac]

I was having fun quasi-pretending to be loyal, but to be clear i'm not, in fact, loyal.

i don't get this tbh. wouldn't scum!wake know ya not loyal when he received the message? so he would confirm either way?

A) werent you pretending to be a loyal mailman like yesterday?

B) the message was vague, and could be read as me being any of loyal/disloyal/complex/simple; wake didnt really have any of knowing. It was a reaction test, and i didnt have much better ideas as to what to do with being a mailman

a) i can't send actual mail tho, so kinda a different thing. lol
b) ok, i guess
c) would be funny if jan also pretending and there's 4 pretend loyal/disloyals in the game (@ scumz:plz add to this number if ya can)

[tictac]

ph garm also pretended that, so 5

[tictac]

the message was vague, and could be read as me being any of loyal/disloyal/complex/simple; wake didnt really have any of knowing. It was a reaction test, and i didnt have much better ideas as to what to do with being a mailman

did ya ID yerself in the message?

[skitter30]

Nope