Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

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FIRST

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Maybe don't lynch me in that time.

Maybe do.

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Man I miss this stupid game <3

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VOTE: mathblade woo hoo!

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i kinda want to vote plum tho

VOTE: plum

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ok

i was just going to shitpost but it's already that time

VOTE: Mathblade

this is scum.

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i'll give you my reasoning at some point but i'd like to see how the gamestate reacts to this push before I give scum info about how sure I am, how strong my evidence is, etc.

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yeah, town mathblade never ever ever calls me town on page 4 of a game.

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Less words, more pics pls.

I'd rather lynch scum and get nightkilled out of the game tbh

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mathblade's most notable characteristic is omgussing anyone who even dares to cast the slightest aspersions in their direction and they just called me town for voting them and posting a bunch of werewords images. that's not a town response from them in the slightest, that's scum appeasement. And their tone leans a lot further to their scum game atm.

I have played [too many games] with mathblade.

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Scum!Mathblade tries to sound all LAMIST and reasonable, Town!Mathblade plays like me except their reads are all wrong basically.

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we've had this conversation before.

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Where’d the duck go?

this is an interesting tangent to be following right now.

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i would be an adorable girl you back the fk off

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rc might be town actually,

why

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you have never townread me as town in the last 2 years of our mutual history. why are you townreading me here?

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Then who are you supposing I am scum with? Your vote is on me.

What are you doing to find my nonexistent buddies?

what kind of question is this to be asking on the sixth page of the game?

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awawawawawa

human...such a....CUTE

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do u want to just antispew and stop wasting everyone's time because your slot is done.

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this game needs more memes

this was supposed to be the meme game

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Spoiler: large

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@rc, why DID you respond for me?

because i don't care about sorting you right now and i do care about calling out mathblade for scummy posting to expedite the process of killing him.

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@rc, why DID you respond for me?

because i don't care about sorting you right now and i do care about calling out mathblade for scummy posting to expedite the process of killing him.

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The post, or the fact that they quoted? I don't think that quote is negative scum equity, I'm undecided about the actual process of quoting instead of thinking and replying.

Don't tempt me!

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i think that mathblade is scum with implosion

i am a gunsmith and can confirm that implosion has not one but two guns

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Wait that's a really shitty hint, that sort of gives away the answer doesn't it?
Like if we know that you don't have any scumpartners, why would we even bother to look for scumpartners?

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Well fuck Mathblade just spoiled that he was in fact town I guess it's time to unvote him.

Anyone want to spoiler that they're actually scum?

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wtf

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i'm not sure how much of a balance to strike between shitposting and hey guys mathblade is literally outed scum

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it's not what they did it's how strange and forced all their read development is, ie they're trying to force project town.

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also he's called everyone voting him scum besides me b/c he knows that voting me really doesn't go anywhere. the townread on me is straight TMI.

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Meh, I like Math for town atm. Good strong read tbh.

Sorry RC.

Also signing off for the night now so eho knows when I'll be back. Meme away in my absence plz <3

i really don't think you're this stupid ari.

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i would like to believe at this point given mathblade's continued responses that it's obvious that they're scum? i dunno how obvious it actually is.

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why am I town though?

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hmmmmmMMMMMMM

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ok so who are we voting now

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i have a better vote

VOTE: Plum

no i never called you town but I was mostly just looking to see how people reacted to an early push

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[ari, Plum] are my scumreads aorn.

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y u unvoting just because i unvoted

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no offense because i'm sure you feel you've been very towny outright townreading you as hard as ari claims to be is insanely unlikely.

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honestly i should be voting ari rn but he's not even gonna be around for a bit so

leggo plum put em up

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does anyone who knows plum know if all the ellipses and hms are alignment indicative

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does anyone who knows plum know if all the ellipses and hms are alignment indicative

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your posting kinda fucking sucks duck.

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duck

pls

pls

pls don't be a wolf

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but do you like... like me like me? :c

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gonna vote ari

VOTE: Ari

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is it ok though

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i think it's like... very much not okay

and not cool at all tbh

duck should be ashamed

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btw

my entire non-me team scumreads mathblade

and i'm just kinda like... i don't remember how to read them

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don't we all feel more than enough shame in life though?

this hurts

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like i feel like at some point i'll know what math's alignment is just based off the stuff they've posted and that it's probably all really AI but i'm drawing a blank right now

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duck posting sucks too x_z

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i'm gonna be really salty if ari is town who decided to randomly throw out a hard townread that first impulse was a tmi townread on scum

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Oh god it has begun!

V/la as noted until next weekend (read: not in 2 days, obv)

Maybe don't lynch me in that time. Maybe do. Up to you XD

Hi town.

also eww

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btw

my entire non-me team scumreads mathblade

and i'm just kinda like... i don't remember how to read them

I’d be surprised if northsidegal and GiF didn’t scumread me. They’re also on the worry if they townread me list.

Pedit you will Raybells it’s okay.

you can trash talk me but don't trash talk NSG

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i'm gonna be really salty if ari is town who decided to randomly throw out a hard townread that first impulse was a tmi townread on scum

How would town have a tmi townread on scum? That doesn’t make sense? Am I missing something?

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<<Insert Airplane

<<Insert my head

the idea is that they by throwing a really bad townread on you might have derailed my attempt to lynch scum you if they're town and you're scum
right now i kinda think you might both be scum and that was a defense of a scumbuddy? depends on my read on you though.

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i think tris is town

i think ari/ico is believable maybe

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see

that could actually be it

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not that it isn't

too early to be trying to solve

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that's not my point

i'm not being mission critical

i'm simply saying that when I say "that could be it" i don't mean it like

the same way i'd say "that could be it" in 5 way

it's just this is something that could be true there's nothing that says its not

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i already get the feeling this is not actually going to be a toxic game and that feels good

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i think it's fine.

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that's because ur country is burning down and u don't have time to care about this shit

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i'm not townreading Mathblade btw, just so that's clear.

i just think that even if they're scum we can either make them bus or catch their buddies off of their interactions so there's not much to lose by treating them as town for now.

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this is a surprisingly fun game. not sure why. it's kind of fun playing the slow game and not being immediately scumread for it? i'm kinda surprised no one's calling me scum?

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i'm really confused because my slow i meant completely devoid of intensity? I feel like there's been virtually no, like, force behind anything that I've done and that's what I meant by slow moreso

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i tried very hard to find a clip from die hard 4 saying "I didn't just see it, I did it" but i give up because i'm lazy

idk i don't really care why things are the way they are but i'm pretty happy about it tbh

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why is teacher town

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survivalism doesn't make sense as an accusation given that it's really early and no one's actually under fire

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Scum!Mathblade tries to sound all LAMIST and reasonable, Town!Mathblade plays like me except their reads are all wrong basically.

Ok. RC probably town. If you aren't voting Skitter right now... Why? Assume Im asking because I know what it should be.

do you think skitter is scum?

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i don't townread skitter! does that help?

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like i can see it. i'm actually not

really

like

trying to put all the pieces together right now

i'm just trying to amass information while the gamestate is relaxed because i feel like when I

really

commit to something the thread's gonna lose its laid backness and i'm actually getting a lot of the thread the way it is and i think it will be harder to get information once the game gets a little more... impetuous?

as in, trying to read me off of the reads that i have and don't have right now is probably a bad idea because i am making no effort to decide what said reads are atm

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like i'm amazed that no one is scumreading me for just saying la dee da i don't know what mathblade's alignment is and i'm not trying to figure it out but that's kinda where i'm at, yeah.

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no, you really shouldn't. but ppl will scumread me for anything. the point of being hyper aggro isn't because i like being hyper aggro it's that i get scumread if i don't.

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heh heh heh heh wait i meant what no i'm town

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starting to think ur town duck, hopefully i'm not wrong cuz i'll b mad

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i think that rce's entrance is town. idk if scum enters pressuring me to have a scumread on someone. maybe if it's exactly rce/skitter.
i still think that Tris's posting is generally towny.
Gotta figure out plum sauce, I think that meta will solve them but i think town?
starting to townread duckling

pretty good start

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Math/Skitter/Ari is the only scumteam that leaps out at me.

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(but obviously there's absent slots and all)

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i would hope not

but i remember that 1 time

with wgeurts

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I'm literally only making these comments for fun.

Ari is my scumread and i'm voting.

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do you really want to do that in team mafia, xtoxm?

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would you scum read Ank if ank were here for scumreading you

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gotta say I'm not scumreading RcE and I'm not super keen on that read.

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as in, from Ank.

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I'm starting to actually meaningfully think about the game and Tris/Ari might be 2.

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Or Math/Ari

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it's not too early for teams.

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Plum/Ari/Math makes more sense going off of that line.

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Plum/Ari/Math makes more sense going off of that line.

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that would require them to have both decided to bus ari.

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despite the amount of cross bussing that scumteam requires it actually makes complete sense, none of the interactions specifically point to not SvS and yada yada

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yeah of the two Plum makes more sense than Tris

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generally townvibing all of myself (duh) TW RCE Ico Tris but some of those townreads are hella lazy so.
and there's also two 0 info slots that could be scum so.

who do we vote tho hmm

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Really, really hard to see Ari town. Pretty sure Ari is scum

Then I'm probably either right on both Mathblade/Plum as both buddies or they're both town and the buddies are elsewhere avoiding the wagon.

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Alright let's do this so this is why Ari is scum.

Intriguing.

I am an easy pocket so I'm going to stay strong in this, but I like where you're coming from as this develops.

This post categorically comes from scum significantly more often than town.
There's a

kung fu movies

Pocket attempt denied that I think of a lot referencing this but I don't remember the name of the game anymore.
I claim that g enerally dismissing townreads on you as 'pocketing' when they come from people you're not townreading points to scum more often than town.
On top of that it itself doesn't make sense as town given the 'i like where ur coming from but Im gonna vote you anyway.'
But it does make sense as scum because you want to assign value to townreads on you while simultaneously keeping your mislynch open, which is what Ari is doing here.

Maybe I stated that badly. You don't seem ruffled. Your responses just sounded a but defensive and the followups a tad contrived.

Also literally anything can come from scum sometimes. Town tells can come from scum sometimes! This is so empty.

This is just... so bad? A bit defensive and a tad contrived is such weak phrasing plus dismissing all of scumhunting with 'ooh scum can towntell too' (and I've seen that post from scum several times and from town only once I think?) just doesn't feel like a good faith attempt to sort Tris.

Meh, I like Math for town atm. Good strong read tbh.

Sorry RC.

Also signing off for the night now so eho knows when I'll be back. Meme away in my absence plz <3

Ari knows that I'm a better scumhunter than he is and generally doesn't have the kind of personality where he's going to go against me if he disagrees.
For him to go this far defending Mathblade (ignoring the fact that hard townreading Mathblade seems... implausible) is extremely uncharacteristic and to me points to him being scum.
Could make sense as trying to rack up townpoints for a correct townread or not wanting to vote a buddy.

Tris, Plum, Skitter scumteam. Calling it now.

And seriously on the same general line as before but without you having to take 'Ari respects RC' as a thing because I'm sure there's people who will
since when is fucking ARI declaring these confident calling it nows on early pages of the game, like what? his confidence in his reads is way out of whack for being just back. that rhymes.

but yea this is scum

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btw just out of curiosity i searched pocket attempt denied to see if i could find it
i couldn't find the one i'm thinking of and I was more referring to the like general attitude than the phrase itself but there were only two matches and 1 town 1 scum
so that kinda sorta supports my claim but it's definitely a thing more broadly, it's just harder to find a way to like prove it

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I will prod Dodge for a few days to let people get a more solid footing if the pace is already too high. This is rescinded if anyone hits L-2

UNVOTE:

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btw

if me not being in thread means the thread utterly stagnates that means i'm gonna start posting up a storm again

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ngl i think i'm biasing slightly because i have no idea why i'm suddenly in his scumteam solves outside of my posting being lacklustre

ok i really should say something about this.

what????????????????????????????????????????

no idea why i'm suddenly in his scumteam solves outside of [really obvious, clear reason to scumread someone]

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Duck you really gotta show me you're town because I'm not seeing it. I'm really not seeing it.

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new scumteam read: duck/skitter/???

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new scumteam read: duck/skitter/???

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that would have plum as a likely third

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Ok

VOTE: skitter this is so upsetting

Still don't feel teacher has done much AI and ngl I don't see why he unvoted skitter

This is also super weird: you vote Skitter30 for a meme vote but you're kinda acting like it's a serious vote.

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do you care to... case skitter as opposed to just saying that something random is so upsetting?
why are you keeping me at such a distance? I feel like you're acting really weird and distant from me and that's how i felt last time you were scum

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not like this. being worn out might be the reason but yeah.

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this is about what's missing not what's present and i don't think that would be helpful as a result. you're just interacting with me weird and it feels like how you've interacted me in I just checked both games you were scum this year and not like how you interacted with me when we were both town

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like if you're really tired and worn out i think that could potentially explain the i guess lack of friendliness? that i'm seeing if you only really have the energy for the bare essentials i guess
like i would describe your scum play in a lot of ways as only having the energy for the bare essentials so that's not gr8

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i guess that doesn't answer everything because i still feel like your interactions with me around asking me if i should be scumread for the laziness were kind of... why? like you know my stance
but whatever i don't want to try to read you when you're tired and worn out and since i'm also waiting for ari to come back I'll give you a rest.

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also ank's reads... kinda suck but i guess that's not out of character for ank

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i think i did at the time then i decided to scumread it later anyway because i'm really bad at remembering what i thought later

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we have time, just come back when you have more time. I also don't want to prolong this too much since i already have like, a quarter of the thread.

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btw i skimmed your recent town games and... i could probably have linked to any of them?

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I'd rather just not get into this because if you're town this is only going to go badly and if you're scum you're still going to be scum whenever I'm ready to vote you.
I don't think you'll get lynched ~because I made you look worse~ unless I personally am lynching you and saying stuff like that is kinda what I'm referring to when I talk about weird interactions with me.

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Like, I don't think there's no town explanations for weird interactions with me in the context of this game, particularly with your team composition. tired/worn out is also exactly how I would describe your play here vs as town It's okay, I think that you really should be able to see why I feel this way as town but if I'm wrong and pushing you makes you get defensive and derails the game this really just isn't worth doing from where I'm standing and I think that time will solve this game for me anyway.

If I were NSG I would probably get into this more but I just don't want to take the chance on being OMGUSed by your team before I'm sure you're scum to be blunt.

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I guess one thing I will bring up is that if Ankamius couldn't townread me in, like, Baton Pass or any of a zillion other games where she scumread me as town, I don't see why this is the game she townreads me.

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mind asking?

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I don't really remember what I was thinking, but I will instead say if I was scum there's no real reason for my interpretation of that post as a joke or not to differ from me as town.

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I think just "this is so upsetting" I didn't interpret as you thought she was scum I was just confused or something.

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I do remember I went back and clicked the "ok" quote and read it again and was like the word ok isn't in this and I was just really confused and life was hard.

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If Skitter is scum, I would be nearly certain that Mathblade is also scum.

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~special gamestate read~ exactly 1/2 of Tris/Plum is probably scum.

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oh people started calling me scum

well i enjoyed this game to page 21

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oh people started calling me scum

well i enjoyed this game to page 21

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well back to my regularly scheduled 3 houses.

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How does Mathblade trying to de-escalate a conflict with me point away from Mathblade being scum and me being town?

Like if anything that looks like they're trying to appease me which if anything points to us not being aligned (or being TvT)?

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I struggle to believe that you think that neither Yume nor Titus would talk Mathblade out of a 1v1 that he has no chance to win.

I also struggle to believe that you think that I as scum absolutely want to have this conflict as opposed to avoiding it when I've systematically been conflict avoidant as scum.

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Ok, so let's focus on the other side since i'm not exactly worried about you thinking if rc scum -> mathblade scum.

How often do scum willingly choose to be in a 1v1 with me? What is it about mathblade that suggests that he's that reckless and foolhardy?

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Skitter there are a lot of people that you presumably trust to read you calling you scum. You're not really doing anything about it. You're turning around and calling me scum off of a really dumb contingency

How should I take that?

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but then... why did you call me scum for it...

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like

i think that math is scum

so when you say we're tvt or svs i interpret that as you calling me scum

and i don't like that because i feel like our interactions point the exact opposite way

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ok, but like if math flips scum, is that now not an "I think RC is most likely scum" coming from you

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VOTE: Skitter30

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You think that my scumreads are town and if I successfully flip them scum and live you're just going to go after me for it.
I'm not doing this again. If you're scum I'm ripping the bandaid off, if you're town I'm not letting you lead another game off a cliff.

And it's really rich for you to talk about my record reading you.

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i mean ... you thought i was scum in the newbie we just played

I townread you until you called me scum if a person whose lynch I was trying to prevent flipped town. (your reads sucked, mine didn't)
In this game you're essentially saying that if I lynch someone who you townread (again you having wrong reads and me not) then I'm scum because of it.

I'm over it?

i don't even know how you get to me trying to go after you when i'm trying to go after neither rn
and i feel like if i said i thought you were svt you'd have said the same thing ?
like the dynamic you're portraying means that there's no good answer to trying to give a gamestate read on your pair

i also don't particularly want to turn this game into a thing between us
(which is why i did blacklist you but was apparently ignored

I don't either and I'm sorry this happened but we've discussed this with my team and you are 100% going to force a 1v1 with me sooner or later and I just want it over with.
The real reason I was posting werewords tokens instead of playing was to avoid this but it's going to happen anyway so let's just get it over with as painlessly as possible.

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Like put yourself in my perspective what am I supposed to do to avoid this besides lie down when you inevitably decide that I'm scum for whatever reason you're going to decide that I'm scum?

i purposefully try to de-escalate as much as i possibly can so i'm actually kinda pissed that you think i'd go out of my way to force this

you couldn't make it 22 posts in a game where the vast majority of the game has expressed townreads on me without calling me scum.
I do not think that you can handle the idea of me being alive in a game with you as town without the paranoia eating you alive. It's just not going to happen.

and that you're going to drag me into this anyways when this is literally the last thing i wanted to do in this entire thing

So then let's not.

I won't go after you, you don't go after me, if both of us are alive like way later in the game we do this but until then you don't go after me?

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nope i acutally had better reads than you, at the point that you decided that i was scum pushing shitty reads, i went back to check

what?

you hard pushed a d1 mislynch, i was trying to lynch scum?

how do you possibly come to this claim

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Official Vote Count 1.21 (day end)

Lynching

With 9 living players it takes 5 votes to lynch.

gobbledygook (5):

Lovebird, GeorgeBailey, skitter30, Karnage, gobbledygook

bugspray (2):

Non lmh, RadiantCowbells

Naerys (2):

bugspray, Naerys

Not Voting (0):

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-12-05 13:20:00)

Mod notes:

Still seeking replacement for bugspray.
Now seeking replacement for RadiantCowbells.[/area]

like this isn't hard

bugspray was scum

gobbledygook was not

and you immediately turned around and, after I tried to prevent you from mislynching Gobbledygook, said that I was more likely scum after he flipped town.

and you're going to come here and say you had better reads? are you lying for rhetorical reasons or are you delusional?

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I won't go after you, you don't go after me, if both of us are alive like way later in the game we do this but until then you don't go after me?

i mean ...
that's what i was trying to do ...

and now i'm thinking that you've decided it would be a good idea to lynch me or something because i have no idea why you think this entire conversation was a good idea as town

you literally started it by calling me scum if my scumreads flipped scum. if you didn't expect this you had something else coming.

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like "this isnt what I think is true" isnt a defense when clearly I don't agree with you that Mathblade is town? Like if you said "oh if [top mutual townread] flips scum" sure

do you need me to pull quotes, because if you need me to i will

and re-living that argument here is great for escalation, yay

sure, pull quotes. I'm not exactly sure how you are going to justify claiming to have better reads when you hard drove a d1 mislynch and I was trying to convince you to vote scum instead.

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ok here's the thing
my reads at the beginning of the day mean nothing
your reads at the beginning of the day mean nothing
you know that i don't police the early reads that i declare because i consider it all part of a process to get the same results
so you bringing up the argument "well BEFORE rc was actually sure who he wanted to lynch he was wrong" doesn't say a whole lot

having a correct read at one point in a day doesn't mean anything if you turn around and push a mislynch anyway.

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yeah i don't agree with this mindset
my point is that this argument mirrors that one

a person who thinks that scum is scum and then changes their mind and a person who never thinks that scum are scum and never end up lynching them both lost the game.

rc why are you picking a fight with me

I believe that I have an obligation to my team to not let you policy lynch me, to be blunt.

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Conversely, a person who thinks that scum is scum at the start of the day then changes their mind ends up voting town, but a person who thinks that town is scum at the start of the day then changes to scum lynches scum. This isn't a complicated arcane science really.

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OK my team has changed their mind on the validity of preempting this so I'm just going to stop and wait until you actually initiate this conflict whenever it happens.

UNVOTE:

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I don't like the fact that you're upset but I think that it was literally inevitable that both of us get upset for being in the same game unless one of us was resigned to being lynched in the 1v1. You got mad at me for being annoying when I just tried to post werewords tokens and not get too involved. This just sucked from draft.

and i can't believe that all 4 of you decided that this was a good idea

NSG isn't around, like at all. The rest of my team stopped supporting it when it actually happened. Take that as you will.

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I care less about winning than resolving this at this point so, I'm a town investigative and I really couldn't afford to have you going after me for bad reasons later and policy lynching you D1 and probably not getting NKed as a result seemed like a good idea at the time.

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I mean. The fact that you going after me is an absolute inevitability makes this entire situation fucky because I can't try to go under the radar and survive and I'm not supposed to play town lead and eat the nightkill either.

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well that was for the post above that one

you realize that there's a decent chance i just get resolved by eating the nk here, right?

no

you don't

because you're defending scum

[RadiantCowbells]

rc i've gotten n1'd recently after lolhammering a town doctor

i think it's ridiculously unfair and scummy and just .... egocentric of you to decide to fucking pl me before i made any indication that i was going after you
so that you could avoid being n1'd

I don't think it was actually all that realistic for me to dodge both the lynch and the nightkill without doing something ~weird~

Between me thinking that your reads are wrong and the fact that I have a PR I'm trying to keep alive and I'm trying to juggle dodging both the nightkill and the lynch which is honestly kind of impossible with the expectations everyone puts on me, like, what am I really supposed to do here?

I don't feel bad for the attempt to lynch you because of anything mechanical, I feel bad because it upset you and that is not worth it.

[RadiantCowbells]

anyway

VOTE: Mathblade

best guess as to scumteam is Ari/Mathblade equal likeliness with Plums as slightly less sure third.

[RadiantCowbells]

If that's not it, the game's left a sour taste in my mouth that probably hinders my ability to generate new reads and I doubt town will listen if I give a wider PoE anyway.

[RadiantCowbells]

skitter reaction probtown
already townreading tris
spicy read rc town
also think that rce is town
also think that creature is town

the worst leantown but easily an error vector
bella leantown

xtoxm null, intentionally making themselves unreadable
ico null, unintentionally making themselves unreadable
thilbert?? who? have they posted?

scumreads

ari for reasons given
mathblade tonally plus associatively
plum just isn't doing anything that gives townvibes

i'll continue reading but i'm not gonna post much unless someone asks me for something specific so gl.

[RadiantCowbells]

did i really post creature instead of teacher

[RadiantCowbells]

I care about how good people think my reads are solely in the context of if people think my reads are better they listen to me. It's utility.

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My team's having a meeting and we will have one more post to make tonight

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ok we're not getting the big team effortpost that i wanted but nsg off of what she's read does agree that math is scum ftr, mostly because the townread on me felt unnatural
i also think the reversal on that townread now when I'm way more obvtown now than I was in the early game feels super unnatural as well! yay

also the fact that math out of one corner of their mouth is trying to pocket me by agreeing on reads and shit and the other side is suggesting scumteams that include me

[RadiantCowbells]

bitmap also thinks that math is scum but who really cares about bitmaps opinion tbh

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I wonder what team got the most scum role PMs because they're probably going to be the team that wins this event.

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@rce because votes on a slot that isn't really here doesn't move the game on. on day 1, we want to see how people react to pressure, look at competing wagons later on, etc. A vote here feels lazy and anti-town.

Thanks about tris, I don't know them and I'm super null on them. Teacher hasn't massively impressed me, though.

@math, I'm not 'sheeping' ari, bc to do that I'd have to just chuck a vote on him bc ari did: it's obvious in my catch-up that I have other reasons for voting him. I don't think it means anything right now? If ari's scum i look pretty weird yelling out his wagon and 'sheeping' him but it's by honest response to the thread.

Hi @the worst, come chat to me more. Reading convos between worst and rc still make me townlean them. Actually, chat to me about math? I don't get town-lean.

@plum, ico's case on you isn't why I like them, per se. It's more a tonal read and they at least feel like they are solving.

@skitter, it felt really fence sitty. I like that they checked, rather than piling on a wagon willy-nilly. I know that's easy to fake though.

@math, how have i gone from derp-town (possibly) to scum based on an opening that didn't engage much with the game when like, I made it clear i was skim reading and had paid the most attention to the last few pages, and then went back and literally said 'wow, my read on rce was dumb'.

You've basically invented a narrative.

VOTE: math

Spoiler: img

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In post 496, skitter30 wrote:
and i kinda hate the lamist-y stuff he says
and the aggressiveness
and his demands are kinda unreasonable for the stage of the game that he's asking them for (i.e. with asking tris for who his scumbuddies would be)

what are you finding scummy abt this tho

Sorry. Excluding the aggressiveness why is this not scummy particularly when I already pointed out that in 1 word the definition of Scum!Mathblade's meta is LAMISTy?
Also, the fact that he is laser focused on who is his partners apparently are? Isn't that, way way way more likely something that scum asks?
Why does town think that they can't possibly be partner read with anyone in the game and also focus on that as opposed to trying to spew them town?

but I think that MathBlade as he usually does has gone very far into trying to antiassociative (see: Mod is Mafia) and I think that MathBlade feels that their scumpartners can't be linked back to them and that the entire focus on that lampshades that fact. That's why I think the partner is something like Ari, who it looks like there's deliberate antispew attempts in terms of randomly calling him town + being 'willing' to vote him (although do note that it look until it seemed like it was a thing to commit to it.)

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Like literally: I told you that Mathblade's scum meta is LAMISTness. A lot of other people in this TM should know that and agree with me. He claims that his meta changed, but that's also what he claimed last time he rolled scum on MafiaScum when this variable was correctly pointed out. How do u turn around from that and say lolwhyisthatscummy?

I have a serious question: does Ank want her townread on Mathblade to supercede my scumread in actuality?

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Also, note MathBlade repeatedly putting Ari in his lynchpool but he wasn't willing to vote that until it was wagoned and he's still trying to look for alternative wagons and is basically wagon shopping atm.

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UNVOTE:


VOTE: skitter

What do you make of yourself sheeping Ari who has a lot of votes?

If Ari is town what do you think this means?
And if Ari is scum what do you think this means?

And I am not sheeping Ari. Been warming up to the theory Ari is trying to pocket me and RC.

And even when MathBlade did vote Ari, he tried to spin it as something that towncleared him by arguing that Ari was trying to pocket the both of us.

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You know that in the keychain hydra game I hard townread your slot, I just wanted you dead anyway right?

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I townread you after Titus explained how to.

Titus doesn't know how to read me though, so this doesn't make an ounce of sense. If she did claim a strategy for reading me, it would certainly be more late game than this.

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You're gonna make this personal to win because you know that everyone's gonna empathize with your rage against the RC thing, I get that, but there's really nothing personal here and that should be obvious to everyone else.

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Fine Duck, you made your choice.

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Fine Duck, you made your choice.

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You know that in the keychain hydra game I hard townread your slot, I just wanted you dead anyway right?

So you gamethrew that game? And you’re pretty much doing it again.

You do this each game we play in. You just “want me gone” for reasons I don’t understand.

Bella being scum and/or misguided I at least respect their playstyle because they at least try and/or don’t pull this shit. Go away I am going back to the thread now. Keep yelling and pretending what you say matters.

It's been years and it is super clear from everyone's point of view that I have nothing personal against you at this time and am lynching you because I scumread you.
If you prefer to convince yourself that you're so good that I'm policy scumreading you as opposed to caught you genuinely, you can believe that.

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It does not make it an ego contest. It does not state that I am better that Ankamius or vice versa. The question says more about Ankamius's confidence in the read than anything else, since I already know Ankamius believes her reads are better than mine.

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I don't think Ankamius calls for an outweigh on my reads unless she's really sure and that's a really useful data point for me to have in this game.
If I still go after Mathblade and they flip scum, it means I lynch you after, maybe it means I don't vote Mathblade in the first place.

But if Ankamius is like casually townreading Mathblade I really don't care, and if they are hard townreading Mathblade then I am going to take it into consideration

[RadiantCowbells]

ok you asked "does Ank want her townread on Mathblade to supercede my scumread in actuality?" when you meant "how confident does Ank feel about town!Math?"

i can definitely ask that; i don't think her reads are really all that refined past first impressions.

this is the same question... if i wanted to just say no i am better than ank sheep me fuckheads i would have done that and linked our overlapping games rather than asked you to ask her a question

but okay i was like really blown away by your reaction to my question.

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Duck, you think that scum!Skitter has the meltdown that she had in reaction to my push on her? I would like to believe that she simply would never do that as scum.

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Especially because to me the rage and frustration wasn't really in response to me voting her, because she was fine with that
I think that she was mad because she felt that the policy lynch attempt showed 1) not caring what alignment she was and 2) not caring for her potential town contributions, aka not respecting her
and as someone who used to absolutely flip out about it and has only gradually gotten better about it and still hates that shit, yeah i'm not surprised by her reaction.

I would put her as probably the most likely slot in the game to be town atm?

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I also think Teacher is weirdly town
like I'm not quite sure what I'd point to for why but I don't think he's scum

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i don't think she has the specific emotions that she did as scum though and I just commented on that, she didn't get mad at the time that scum are supposed to get mad ish

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I still think your only correct scumread is Ari, Math.

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Or to put it this way

I don't think Bella is scum unless Ari is as well I think

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Bella, can you talk to me about your reads on Tris Plum and Aristophanes?

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I wish that Worst wasn't either disengaged or scum or that between SKitter/Math one of them was someone else because I'm literally a huge antisynergy to this lobby unless I play dictator which I don't really want to do.

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Because I think scum is the superceding condition that defeats the purpose of questioning disengaged or not because either way I have no one to work with.

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Ok I'll try my best

can you give me a full readslist

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you

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you first then I will

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I'mactually struggling to have a readslist

ok

Rc town Skitter town Teacher town I think
{RCE, Bellaphant, Ico} are light townleans but any could be scum
{Xtoxm, TW, Thilbert} are all fundamentally null
Mathblade gets a Mathblade read- contrary to claims you're not actually my top scumread and i really wish i could have gotten a sorting wagon but it's not worth it
{ari, plum, tris} are my scumreads but i don't actually think all of them are scum and i think i'll have a more sophisticated way of picking out which are actually scum once I have reads on Xtoxm, TW, Thilbert

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I've asked the thread twice I think whether Plum's tone is scum indicative for them and my read on them is wholly based on the answer to that question because content wise they're not actually scummy

Tris, idk. It's hard to pinpoint why and I guess it mostly comes down to 2 things.
1) The only true scumread NSG gave in this game was Tris
2) I feel like the entire Ari->Tris thing was weird. Why did he single her out to talk to if they're not SvS

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Like that whole scumread on her + the "calling it now plumskittertris" feels liek a super, super TMI scumread and I think that Ari is most likely scum of anyone in the game and I think that logic makes sense for partners

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I mean, he pushed on her, he didn't buddy her. Did you reread what I'm talking about now?

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Like you just called me wrong without even reading what I am referring to. This is why I say that we don't work well together.

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i wouldn't say so. sometimes i guess.

Cool cool cool

I ask because while your initial post about the party hat was innocuous, your responses to Math calling it out were a little less so. I could see it from a newbie or someone like Nancy Drew (sorry my compadre but it's apt and I know you understand) who is more likely to take things more emotionally or personally on a quick read. You seemed a lot more ruffled by Math than you needed to be.

VOTE: Tris

I think this a decent start to the game and have a few decent reads already, which is nice

This is not a push. This is one vote.

Admittedly I fucked up and memory was bad. I couldn’t remember him voting anyone.

If anything this means that if Ari is scum Tris is town due to the risk of a wagon actually succeeding and not being able to move his vote would be bad.

????????

this is literally

a page 2 vote

you really think that scum would NEVER vote scum on page 2?

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And no I never said this. You're just trying to find evidence to support the theories you already have and disprove mine, not actually work with me.
I do not believe that you in general believe that scum wouldn't vote scum on Page 2. I do believe that you regardless of alignment have decided that you townread Tris and are going to defend her from me by any means possible.

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Any scum no. It happens.

A scum going on known VLA? That’s a huge risk I don’t think Ari would take.

it is

really

really

really

not a big deal to be voting your scum in early game and Ari is a known busser anyway.

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No, I think your reasons for believing Ari+Tris isn't a thing are bad.

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no reason to say no, but also no reason to say yes.

i do think there's a weird centralization of the game around The Worst (not exactly correct phrasing but I am using it) whereby

Bella asked TW for opinions
Plum asked Worstie for his read on her
And several other people brought him up disproportionately

which i'm curious about how to interpret

but yeah it could easily be either of them and part of my problem solving this game is the huge # of true unknowns

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm irked by everything to do with this individual game and team mafia as a whole and i wish i didn't sign up for it tbh.