TM2020 | Untrod Tripod Destroys Anime! | Endgame

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Now that is an exciting RVS vote

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For anyone confused I'm pretty sure the correct way to parse MAARF is as resistance fighters who are avatars in an anime produced by mafiascum.net

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Honestly I'm not actually convinced UT is that dedicated to the destruction of anime

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Anyone want to take a minute to just acknowledge how good this playerlist is

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Honestly I'm not actually convinced UT is that dedicated to the destruction of anime

Were you not in the last LOTHS

No

Is this where this UT destroying anime shit comes from because I thought this was original flavour

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Done some detective work

If you google translate the japanese shit underneath the title of this game it reads:
"Destroy the ant rod tripod anime!"

So the game is not actually about UT destroying anime but about the general destruction of an anime focusing on the character of Ant Rod Tripod

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Filler isn't canon

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I wanna watch this Ant Rod Tripod anime so I can learn more about the flavour but I can't find it anywhere

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VOTE: Bitmap

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The votes are rigged

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I thought Jingle was gonna do a thing when he started with a me vote but he doesn't seem to be doing a thing atm

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Also I have remembered that Bitmap is contractually obligated to carry me

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Yeah but I thought you would have thought voting me would be dumb unless it was part of some scheme

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You don't look like you're scheming which is ironically concerning

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For most of the same reasons you wouldn't give me a PR

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Hmm okay

We may revisit this later

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No I was worried you weren't actually scheming at all, not that I couldn't figure it out

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Would it help you if I said something dumb and then left to have a shower

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Yes that is why there was concern

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I wonder what percentage of anime avatars we have

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You just weren't really doing anything immediately after the vote

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Might be worth emphasising that I'm not anywhere near concerned enough to be voting you

I too was confused somewhat by the flavour of this game. I think I have used the word befuddled

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I'm not suspicious of you though and if I was I'd be voting you

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I also didn't know that thing you said

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Ant Rod Tripod sends anime to the shadow realm

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I don't think there's enough work going for two masons in this game. I would suggest you consider an alternative career path

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I could forget you posted

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Can we get back to the important stuff

Anyone want to take a minute to just acknowledge how good this playerlist is

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I just checked the PT section of the site and I don't see it

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Does skitter have any early gut reads @jjh

I dunno if we're actually reading each others' games yet tbh

Skitter mostly was just a bit more confused than I was about certain flavour things

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Would you say you still hate playing scum jjh?

It's more of a dislike now I think

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If you want to easily meta me, you can't do it day 1 any more because I can pretend to have enthusiasm for a game day. Gobbledygook had a very nice approach after replacing in at the end of big four mafia where he looked at activity trends over the course of the whole game looking mainly for downward trends, and I think that would catch scum me every time

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But yeah big four mafia is the latest update on my scumgame and that was a win with me alive at the end

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In seriousness I am, for once, torn over whether or not I should be claiming a thing now as a mechanically optimal play

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Oh it totally is but post 123 serves its own purpose now

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Yeah but I thought you would have thought voting me would be dumb unless it was part of some scheme

Looking back, I'm not sure why jjh thinks Jingle's vote on him wasn't just random

I'm not really getting reads from rereading this interaction though

It objectively wasn't just random though. I think you're taking issue here where there isn't an issue and I'm not really convinced you believe there is an issue there yourself

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Bitmap is still scummier though

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Shadoweh, who on your team said I was possibly scum

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I don't think those posts are town indicative.
In fact, I feel like thats the sort of pressure thats applied by scum with the mindset of "how can I make this person look like an idiot as much as possible."

Why would there be any need to make mastina look bad? The general opinion of her in this thread is already negative. That wouldn't serve any purpose.

For what it's worth, I don't think mastina is scum

Where have you got the idea that general opinion of mastina in this thread is negative, and why are 90% if your posts focused on Mastina

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Klick, who on your team said to leave me and Jingle till later?

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Because it's basically just what mastina said

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More importantly why do you townread ofrhz

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Okay that's the answer I accept to question 1

Your answer to question 2 on the other hand is weak

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VOTE: ofrhz

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I'm around for a bit now but unlikely to be around much today otherwise

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Ofrhz wagon still looks pretty good to me, especially considering Ofrhz's readslist

I don't think there's much progression from basically null on me and Jingle there

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Ofrhz, bitmap, gamma

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Doubt away but:

Bitmap is vying for towncred for when likely flips occur
Ofrhz is under some pressure rn
Gamma is near absent

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Explain the Bitmap bit a bit more, jjh?

You're one of the likely lynches and Bitmap has quite a developed read on you and now he's going off on a vanity wagon

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Hito would be the only scum on the Klick wagon if there was any

Ali, menalque, mastina are all town

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Also klick wagon developed before ofrhz wagon

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jj's read list is really bad.

Scum is pushing Klick because they think he's a weak slot.

Well of course you'd say that

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I'd say there was more support and potential support floating around when bitmap first started to call you town

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why is RC more relevant to this game than literally any actual player in it

Do you disagree with my statement?

Not Chemist but I think your statement is both wrong and also incongruous with things you've said about RC before

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Who do you think would actually scared of RC having a proxy presence in this game when he's not even the best player in your team, nor is he in the game, nor would he be the best town player in the game if he were.

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Also who was pushing you that caused you to make that post

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On the coaching thing it's undeniable that RC is definitely telling Bitmap a lot of stuff to say regardless of alignment. Saying he's being coached is pretty much just another way of calling him scum

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My strongest townreads are bitmap and klick, btw.

Mine are Mastina, Menalque, Ali, and Chemist

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Ofrhz wagon still looks pretty good to me, especially considering Ofrhz's readslist

I don't think there's much progression from basically null on me and Jingle there

What? Why do I need to have a read on you and jingle specifically?

I know Jingle can play scum very well and project towniness, so I don’t scumread him despite his play coming across as surface level scummy. Looking at his ISO, I’m unable to really towncase him. I’m generally not interested in wagoning him day 1 though

Your vote on me is okay and I can see how it tracks with your progression in thread, but overall you’ve generally been underwhelming.

Wait was that tier was your null tier?

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Funny little vote triangle going on between Jingle, Mastina, and Bitmap there

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Yeah I'll defo VOTE: Bitmap after that writeup

But in the true spirit of team mafia I'm gonna be a cocky shit and say it's because my scumreads are all correct and it doesn't matter what order we lynch them in

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jj's read list is really bad.

Scum is pushing Klick because they think he's a weak slot.

This is the post which I feel confirms my scumreads are accurate tbh

Fwiw, I wouldn't really say my "readslist" was a readslist. It was

Ofrhz, bitmap, gamma

as scum

and a response to Chemist of

Hito would be the only scum on the Klick wagon if there was any

Ali, menalque, mastina are all town

I don't think I've really seen much from Bitmap besides arguing with Mastina, talking about RC, townreading Klick and scumreading Jingle, but I'd be interested to see if someone can prove me wrong. What particularly prompts calling my reads "really bad" out of this, besides necessity?

The follow-up post,

I mean I know I'm only being pushed because scum team is afraid of RC.

is what I would call a textbook flail. I don't see anyone pushing Bitmap at that moment other than me. In two consecutive posts, scum is simultaneously pushing Klick and pushing Bitmap.

Of course, I didn't get an answer to

Also who was pushing you that caused you to make that post

which I only really asked because I wanted to be sure Bitmap wasn't feeling any pressure from anywhere else at the time

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Ooh I'd disagree with the assessment on my team because Mathdino flaked

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Nah

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This is a top quality playerlist

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Being weaker than other players in a top quality playerlist doesn't make them bad

The analysis has its uses

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I'm intrigued as to where you found such a statistic

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All mastina has done this game is talk pretty much exclusively on my slot.

You should reread mastina's iso from top to bottom

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VOTE: mastina

u can lynch my slot if this flips town

We can lynch you without lynching town first though

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I don't think I've really seen much from Bitmap besides arguing with Mastina, talking about RC, townreading Klick and scumreading Jingle, but I'd be interested to see if someone can prove me wrong.

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I’m actually light towning the Bitmap slot at this point because of how they’re putting themselves at the center of the game

Would you TR RC for putting himself at the centre of any game he was in

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Hey mastina, did you read big four mafia

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If there’s a person on bits team I would love to hear from it’s nsg tbh

This

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If I was Bitmap I'd be demoralized reading this too, with half the players asking for RC's opinions/mentioning RC and the other half asking Bitmap why they think RC's name being involved is a big deal, lol. (ﾉΦωΦ)ﾉ

RC pretty much said this as well. If you guys wanted to have RC help out more, he'd put in more effort and thought. If you guys want him to fuck off, he'll fuck off. However, the more this game progresses, the more that it seems like I'm getting shit on whether or not RC helps me out and sends messages here or plays his own game which is not fair to him.

Btw this is a scum narrative of "woe is me, my slot is getting shit for half of the people wanting more RC and half the people thinking there's too much RC", which isn't reflective of the actual happenings of the game.

I think that Bitmap is scum for factors that have nothing to do with Bitmap's team, but purely from Bitmap's posting in this game being that of a scum player. While there are reasons that Bitmap's team's contributions to this game are scum ones, these augment the existing suspicion--augment, NOT are the fundamental basis of them.

To compare this to a different environment, this is a lot like as if Bitmap were a replacement in a game complaining about people scumreading the former holder of the slot--when the majority of the reasons people are scumreading the slot are from Bitmap's contributions. Where the former holder of the slot might've contributed a little to the scumread, but the scumread is mostly from the actual actions of Bitmap.

That's what I more or less mean here.

Again, he basically did the same thing here:

I mean I know I'm only being pushed because scum team is afraid of RC.

and I REALLY don't think he was under that much pressure right then. I was pushing him at the time but he doesn't seem to be calling me scum except for the only logical conclusion from that post.
It's flailing.

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I feel like a large number of the players in this game are the strongest in their teams, or are pretty close to that, but good on all of you for making use of the core concept of team mafia

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Hey mastina, did you read big four mafia

I believe that game appears in a scummies nomination, yes?

If it did I think you'd have used it to round off your don corleone nom on me which you didn't

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Hey mastina, did you read big four mafia

I believe that game appears in a scummies nomination, yes?

If it did I think you'd have used it to round off your don corleone nom on me which you didn't

Oh.
In that case.
No, I definitely didn't read the game.

Well if you want to get more paranoid about my scumgame then go ahead because it's my latest and it finished a couple of days before the end of 2019
Especially day 1

but I kinda assumed you must have read it based on how you're delaying placing me

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Why do you think the scum is Mastina over Bitmap though Ali

I feel like some really compelling arguments have been made here

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Mastina read on you looks like a lazy version of my read on you that I haven't explained outside of my head yet

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Also adding that he mentioned how postie was accused about being proxy!RC but she wasn't.

Spoiler: Thanks for reminding me this exists

Not sure if I can tag myself yet but some people in this game definitely could

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Mastina read on you looks like a lazy version of my read on you that I haven't explained outside of my head yet

She always scumreads me when we’re town.
ALWAYS

It's frustrating because I wanna be able to say some meta thing too except one that makes you be wrong but the meta thing in my case is that me and Mastina probably just townread each other all the time

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I think I do and I don't think this is it

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Btw I definitely think mastina v bitmap is not a TvT

Great, then you know Bitmap is scum!

like I think bitmap just wanting to use my script to not read mastina’s posts seems more town indicative then scum indicative and bitmap seems to feel like he’s being super marginalized. Like maybe that makes him town but his playstyle is freaking me out

What if I told you.
That Bitmap's "I'm being marginalized!" posts.
Were to serve an agenda to sell a specific narrative of the scumreads on his slot being based around something that they weren't actually based around?

What if I told you that literally no one asked for your opinion

Tbf I think the second point is crucial.

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I mean I know I'm only being pushed because scum team is afraid of RC.

Why does Bitmap make this post in response to such minimal pressure from me when he hasn't called me scum elsewhere?

It's a response that doesn't make sense naturally from some persecution complex. He has adopted the victim mindset in order to defend himself.

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JJH, what is the most compelling part of mastina's wall for you?

I mean, the thing that switched my focus was the rather extensive list of discredits, especially with the context of Bitmap going straight to discrediting me the second I made clear he was still very much on my scumpile.

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I mean I know I'm only being pushed because scum team is afraid of RC.

Why does Bitmap make this post in response to such minimal pressure from me when he hasn't called me scum elsewhere?

It's a response that doesn't make sense naturally from some persecution complex. He has adopted the victim mindset in order to defend himself.

Have you ever played with RC before?

Yes. You are not RC

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Why did you make that post in response to such minimal pressure from me when you haven't called me scum elsewhere?

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Also I kinda do feel like this idea that Bitmap has been pushed around is people buying into a bullshit narrative. He's playing the victim but he just isn't here; again- look at that extensive list of discredits against mastina and see how much stacks up the other way

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Oh there's the classic mastina post about her own scum meta wonderful

One day I'll learn to read her alignment just from this

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Ok so you should know that this game is pretty stressful for me.

Because you have RC trying to make sure you win it?

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But Jingle, you pushed mastina, not Bitmap

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But Jingle, you pushed mastina, not Bitmap

I dragged RC into the game AND poked Bitmap creating the core of mastina's case forever ago. Keep up, wizard, I'm always scheming.

God, why is this game the boring one.

RC, ask RC who we should pressure.

Ok thanks mastina

definitely

being a town asset using 7 year old games.

You seem interestingly sure that mastina is town. Care to comment?

This scheme sounds more scummy than towny when your stated reasoning was to build a gamestate that actually helps you read people though
If this is like you say it is you're basically controlling the gamestate to get people to this state with the assumption where one of Bitmap and mastina is scum
And it it's not like you say it is then you're reimagining the gamestate to some other thing that you think is beneficial
and I don't really like either of those implications

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Though as an aside I really wanna just tell Jingle my 123 thing and nobody else but there's no way of doing that

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Ok so you should know that this game is pretty stressful for me.

Because you have RC trying to make sure you win it?

No RC doesn't care.

But the thing where you said the game was stressful to you was a followup to talking about what it's like playing with RC? I thought you were saying that RC was partially or primarily the cause of the stress in some way

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Though as an aside I really wanna just tell Jingle my 123 thing and nobody else but there's no way of doing that

I mean if you were a neighborizer it'd be quite easy to accomplish something like that but oh well, roles be what roles be so presumably you're not one and thus can't.

If I was a neighbouriser I wouldn't have this little dilemma, see

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Okay then let's circle back around to

I mean I know I'm only being pushed because scum team is afraid of RC.

Why does Bitmap make this post in response to such minimal pressure from me when he hasn't called me scum elsewhere?

It's a response that doesn't make sense naturally from some persecution complex. He has adopted the victim mindset in order to defend himself.

because you didn't answer that in that case

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I wasn't talking about RC around you. I put you in a list of scum, and you were not the one I was primarily pushing at the time, and your reaction was to call my reads very bad and then make 553. It basically comes out of nowhere

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But yeah if you're gonna answer a question with a question then make sure your question leads to an answer to the original question

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As much as I'd like to continue this now I am pretty tired and am gonna go to bed but I shall return to this when I return

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@jjh when you're next here, can you tell me if skitt has been following this game and if so who's her top SR?

I've mostly just been doing my own thing. There's some reads from skitter that are from 3 irl days ago

Can ask skitter to read this game if you want

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And as a general note, I'd be willing to bet that if mastina is scum, at least one of her buddies is someone she considers a weak link.

Those were Mastina's opinions independent of alignment and if there was ulterior motive sneaking in then some of us would have told you about it.

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Ofrhz wagon still looks pretty good to me, especially considering Ofrhz's readslist

I don't think there's much progression from basically null on me and Jingle there

Doubt away but:

Bitmap is vying for towncred for when likely flips occur
Ofrhz is under some pressure rn
Gamma is near absent

Hito would be the only scum on the Klick wagon if there was any

Ali, menalque, mastina are all town

this is what I didn't like about your posting jjh

(1) I really don't think ofhrz is scum and I don't see what's scummy about her posting at all

(2) bitmap's posting hasn't been good but I don't think he's been vying for towncred for when flips occur (you get some cred for gamma here tho)

(3) you fit into the camp of people who I think have enough of an idea of me to not necessarily think I'm that towny here and yet your TRing me anyway and I'm somewhat concerned that you're going for a pocket

I guess moving on to Bitmap has distracted me from pushing ofrhz but I can return to that at some point because I stopped mid-push

That is not the bulk of my Bitmap push. It is an explanation of why there could be no scum pushing Klick.

What camp would that be? I think I've only seen you play town and it looked like this. As an aside, the strongest early read I got from skitter was that you were obvtown but you'd get paranoid of skitter and by extension myself if I told you that, and I'm thinking both things were accurate

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Oh okay

I thought you were saying Mastina was calling some of her buddies unlikely to get nightkilled as a thing for later down the line, which is the kind of thing me or Jingle would probably notice if it had happened.


This is a competition. I expect everyone to be trying to carry in order to get those tiebreak points

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I mean I know I'm only being pushed because scum team is afraid of RC.

Why does Bitmap make this post in response to such minimal pressure from me when he hasn't called me scum elsewhere?

It's a response that doesn't make sense naturally from some persecution complex. He has adopted the victim mindset in order to defend himself.

Could then say what kind of behavior would you except from him? Would aggression be correct one? Maybe he should avoid this topic? What would be natural one?

I would expect him not to crumble to the pressure of being the second of three names that I considered scum. But he kneejerked and immediately went to discredit my readslist and then made that post. He felt pressured. He felt the need to defend himself, but not with arguments or counterarguments but with discredits and claiming to be a victim. It's a classic scum flail- perhaps close to a disproportionate reaction for even that unless my reads are all right too.

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No, I have no idea

But I don't see anything wrong with saying that the reaction we have isn't a town reaction. There's basically theoretically infinite possible reactions and the only important one is the one we can read, and I'm confident it's a scum reaction and don't get why other people aren't seeing that

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Oh that's neat I was starting to think you might conceivably be scum, Jingle

Can you go into more detail about the things in the old games that have caused you to no longer feel sufficiently strongly about the read to be voting there?

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I mean I've seen people brake down and hyper ventilating when they get pushed by RC for the whole day. They ended up flipping town.

How is this relevant though

I'm saying you felt pressure and flailed about when there was very little pressure to feel. RC's tendency to 1v1 and shit up game threads is irrelevant to games he isn't in and to any stress you felt from being featured in my scumpile

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Can you go into more detail about the things in the old games that have caused you to no longer feel sufficiently strongly about the read to be voting there?

Not really?

I was reading mbos for very obvious reasons when it happened, (although I've been reading a lot of games the last few days for those same obvious reasons) and it occurred to me that I haven't actually seen mastina scum firsthand in a long time. Like... Most of my thoughts about mastina scum have been comparing her to her presence in Org13, RC's Story UPick, and PineVCamn.

Yeah. I think the most recent of those is 2 years old, and I'm definitely thinking that deserves a reset.

Oh I was hoping you might have remembered something to compare to her towngame

While you were sitting there doing your whole just as planned spiel I was thinking you basically entrapped Mastina

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She wasn't even voting you when you flailed though

You were just shit talking her play for ages

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Okay but I'm staying on topic with this whole flailing thing that you keep changing the subject away from

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okay but yet I get to be ignored when I called out mastina's shitty push on me? zzzzz

I'm pushing you. I don't care about your read on mastina, especially when just about every argument you have made about mastina is a narrative you have framed in some way. I prefer more objective observation followed by interpretation

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I mean I know I'm only being pushed because scum team is afraid of RC.

Why does Bitmap make this post in response to such minimal pressure from me when he hasn't called me scum elsewhere?

As an extra, Bitmap was voting Jingle at this time. I think the only people who had done anything that could be considered a push on Bitmap at any point in the game at this stage were Mastina and myself. At the time, he was at the bottom of Mastina's readslist but she was voting Klick. Also at the time, he was listed in my scumpile but I was voting and pushing Ofrhz.

Nobody was pushing him when he made this post. He had just been listed in 2 players' scumpiles. But he did not elaborate on who the scum that was pushing him because of this RC-fear was, nor has he. There were two options and he was voting neither. If he believed there was any truth in it, I think it would have sparked some action- but it was not scumhunting. It was a defence, both weak and premature.

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TLDR: Town don't panic like that when 2 people who aren't even voting them list them as scum

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Talk about those things and tell me why they're something that makes Bitmap town

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Hard Town: Chemist1422, mastina, Menalque, Alisae, Klick
Town: Shadoweh, Kerset
Townlean: Jingle, hitogoroshi

Scum: Bitmap, ofrhz, Gamma Emerald

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A better readslist

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jjh ur unwillingness to budge from your bitmap read seems unnatural my guy

He's only done things that make me feel like he's more scum

I just realised that my scum tier is technically the wrong way round because I had townier towns at the left

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Do you have anything other than this defence of Klick which was ultimately just him saying that Klick was town a few times and saying not to lynch Klick

And do you maybe want to join the elite few who have actually commented on that post I keep quoting

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I mean I know I'm only being pushed because scum team is afraid of RC.

Why does Bitmap make this post in response to such minimal pressure from me when he hasn't called me scum elsewhere?

As an extra, Bitmap was voting Jingle at this time. I think the only people who had done anything that could be considered a push on Bitmap at any point in the game at this stage were Mastina and myself. At the time, he was at the bottom of Mastina's readslist but she was voting Klick. Also at the time, he was listed in my scumpile but I was voting and pushing Ofrhz.

Nobody was pushing him when he made this post. He had just been listed in 2 players' scumpiles. But he did not elaborate on who the scum that was pushing him because of this RC-fear was, nor has he. There were two options and he was voting neither. If he believed there was any truth in it, I think it would have sparked some action- but it was not scumhunting. It was a defence, both weak and premature.

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bitmap is insecure

Okay, but it's panic levels of overreaction. This isn't a thing that really happens to people who aren't insecure but the proportions of it wrt the amount of pressure amount to very high likelihood of scum

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Pressure was extremely low

Inability to handle pressure well is the only reason something similar to this would happen as either alignment. The fact that it is so overblown in proportion, and that the paranoia expressed does not lead anywhere- in other words, it is entirely a defence- is the issue I am seeing

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Like, look past "This is a thing that happened" because rn you're just giving reasons why it happened rather than things relating to alignment

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He's had some fairly insightful interactions with me when I've said things and he's disagreed in ways that are productive to discussion

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Definitely feels like he's actually placing people and solving the game

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Doubt away but:

Bitmap is vying for towncred for when likely flips occur
Ofrhz is under some pressure rn
Gamma is near absent

Again I don’t think the Klick wagon forms as a completely pure counter to scum!ofrhz (or rather vice versa) and no scum push on Klick

Mostly this

Honestly I'm not actually convinced UT is that dedicated to the destruction of anime

Were you not in the last LOTHS

No

Is this where this UT destroying anime shit comes from because I thought this was original flavour

iirc half the first phase discussion was “UT is scum for hating anime avatars” “Ali is scum for liking anime avatars” “Gamma is scum for getting mad at UT for hating anime avatars”

That’s probably wrong but whatever

Little bit of this because at the time it felt useful


and I thought there was something between us wrt Ofrhz but I think I imagined it. There was about 100 posts between my voicing a bit of suspicion there and him starting a wagon but I can't remember what happened in those posts, but it looked like a proper read and he has said sensible things that I agreed with on the subject

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I’m actually light towning the Bitmap slot at this point because of how they’re putting themselves at the center of the game

Would you TR RC for putting himself at the centre of any game he was in

Sort of

Usually scum!RC controls the game but isn’t really at the center of it

That’s poorly explained but oh well

This was sort of a thing too
I knew I'd forgotten about disagreeing about Bitmap

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So yeah there's 3 things we disagreed on of varying importance and I don't think we convinced each other of any of them but I don't really care because it looks like he's thinking

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The first was the one that solidified him as hard town to me but yeah

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Menalque looks like he did in gamma's recent upick

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recentish I guess

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Menalque went into the town pile for me very early tbh when he started asking me questions

then I think the day after that skitter gave me some reads including a TR on menalque and I just figured I'd leave him in my townpile and expect some good quality townplay laced with a healthy amount of paranoia he is capable of keeping healthy

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y’all I just noticed that the title says “amine”

Yeah I'm still not convinced by the translation here

This game is actually called "Destroy the Ant Rod Tripod Anime"

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Anime was a mistake.

how dare you

I blame jj, which is now a recurring trend.

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You should watch that time I got reincarnated as a slime if those are the two options

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Unless you can find anything about this Ant Rod Tripod anime because that would definitely be useful for flavour

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I don't think I've actually properly watched any anime in ages

Last one I watched would probably have been Dr Stone except that just got me to read the manga and now I'm stuck halfway through this fucking drought where the last chapter was 22nd december and the next chapter is 19th January because Boichi overworked himself ill by doing a shitty spinoff with a shitty robot that doesn't make sense and it's like a crucial point in the arc which makes the waiting worse

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It is important to me that untrod Tripod be allowed to destroy Armani.

What if he doesn't want to

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I think season 2 of slime is supposed to be some point this year

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I recently watch Dr Stone too and read all of the manga

Did you read the reiboot too

I want to complain about it

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Have you seen Overlord

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Have you seen Overlord

no

can y'all stop talking about your shitty shounens for two seconds im trying to talk about mafia

My favorite animes is better then your favorite anime!

It's got similarish kind of vibes to slime so you should watch it

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Like, in the overpowered individual in a fantasy rpg setting kind of thing

except instead of a town they build politics
and instead of being overpowered in the setting by very rapidly gaining power and abilities they're all just overpowered as shit from the start

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Have you seen Overlord

no

can y'all stop talking about your shitty shounens for two seconds im trying to talk about mafia

My favorite animes is better then your favorite anime!

It's got similarish kind of vibes to slime so you should watch it

what i rly liked about slime was that it was basically civ 5 the anime is overlord like that

Overlord has a lot of worldbuilding to it and is mostly about the interactions between the main character's group and everyone else. I am confident that liking overlord and liking that time I got reincarnated as a slime are closely correlated

Also I like Overlord more but that might be because it has 3 seasons

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If it helps sell it to your team then they have what is basically a hit squad of battle maids




Also I want to make clear that part of the reason I'm talking about anime is because I'm not talking about Bitmap

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Only the first one of those games is at all similar. JJ take a look at bit/Maria as compared to bit/mastina for me. I want your analysis.

I'm not doing that right now but I'll think about it after I next wake up.

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For some reason in a direct contradiction to what I just said I opened that game in another tab and have been dual isoing Bitmap and MariaR and I don't think it's very similar at all where I've got to

The biggest similarity I noticed was that Bitmap said that advance wars was better than fire emblem

Meanwhile in terms of differences, Bitmap's read properly flipflopped on MariaR, rather than going from a bunch of discredits to a solid scumread, and I don't see the paranoia. He seems frantic, but not paranoid or particularly vulnerable to pressure. I don't really know how much pressure was on him at any given time because I'm just doing the dual iso, but it doesn't look like he's reacting badly to it at any point.

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Also I'm not actually immediately going to bed I just thought I was too tired to be reading through other games in any meaningful capacity

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y’all I just noticed that the title says “amine”

I want to get it on record that it now says "Ameni" before I go to bed

so it's changing

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Perhaps it's the work of Untrod Tripod, distorting the word until it lacks meaning and is functionally destroyed

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Also I kinda do feel like this idea that Bitmap has been pushed around is people buying into a bullshit narrative. He's playing the victim but he just isn't here; again- look at that extensive list of discredits against mastina and see how much stacks up the other way

I think I'm confused by how this is persuasive to you. Do you think Bitmap!town would be avoiding antagonising mastina here? I don't.

No I'm saying he was the one pushing Mastina around but a good number of people, yourself included, were acting like he was being bullied

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There's too many floaty generalisations people have made about how Bitmap plays or has played this game that simply aren't true.

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Hey look the title is actually Ant Rod Tripod Destroys Anime now

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Sure I'll bite. What about them? I don't think I've seen anything I need to care about

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You better be able to show me something

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Show me something

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Show me Alisae making a generalisation about Mastina that you think is inaccurate

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As time passes I become more convinced 1108 was a baseless whataboutism

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Okay now what was it about those supposed generalisations did you think I needed to care about?

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And how was whatever point you were trying to make relevant to me talking about Bitmap

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Right so it 100% was whataboutism

And it looks pretty baseless too

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1122 keeps getting worse every time I read it tbh

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VOTE: kerset

This whole interaction has been enlightening

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Like, the things you targeted as "generalisations" were completely irrelevant to what I was talking about and furthermore, what exactly is "my side" in this? Because I'm pretty sure an Alisae post in which e votes Mastina is directly opposed to my side of this whole argument. I think that's actually the side of the argument you're supposed to be in favour of

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Sure yesterday you put me as town. After i pointed your flaw in scumhunting, you suddenly found enough content to turn this upside down.

My reads are subject to change when you do scummy ass shit

What's this "flaw" in my scumhunting?

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Like, I've not just "found" content here. This is a reaction to shit you have literally just said and are still saying

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Well yeah you didn't debunk the point you just pointed fingers at Mastina instead

But it's also unsubstantiated. As far as I am aware, and note that you have failed to convince me otherwise, there haven't been any generalisations of that sort made about Mastina by anyone, regardless of stance on Mastina V Bitmap

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@ work on phone so shitty post but jj do you think this is kerset doing a specious defense of a buddy or a white knight he wasn't expecting to be held accountable to? Agree that 1122 is strange but can't tell what you think the reason is

Not the answer you want to hear, but:
Yes. If I was sure it was a buddy defence I'd still be voting Bitmap.

The bit that really stands out as weird is the whole "side" thing. If it's sides of the argument, Alisae was on the pro-Bitmap side, so it's really off to use Alisae posts as an example to try and counter my point on Bitmap. So I'd definitely say that when the post was made, Kerset definitely wasn't expecting to have to elaborate on it at all. Accepting both "sides" being wrong kinda implies the TVT scenario. I'm not sure why anyone of either alignment goes in with a throwaway defence like that. But it feels very off, so I'm gonna keep pushing.

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What do you think that is an example of

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That's me talking about my own play, Kerset

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How could that be seen in the same way I see people talking about how Bitmap was the victim in the Bitmap V Mastina shit? Or that Bitmap is a player who usually responds inordinately to pressure? Both of those seem to be commonly expressed views in the game but on closer examination I think they're both bullshit

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You and ali are saying that mastina is always scumreading/townreading you.

Ali was using a meta thing that probably doesn't have much factual basis but w/e AGAINST my side in the argument.

I was admitting that I have some kind of bias in that I am inclined to townread mastina, and that mastina is likely inclined to townread me.

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The generalisations have nothing to do with why I'm scumreading Bitmap and everything to do with other people's shitty reasons for townreading him

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Bringing them up is part of convincing other people they are wrong

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I think I deserve more than a naked vote

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No

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Do you want to do a lazy 1v1 with single sentence posts and no punctuation

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You only voted me because I voted Kerset

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Nah that's bullshit

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Ask me about some of my reads

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I think Bitmap is the read I have elaborated on the most though

Is that your final answer

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Because if you say it is then I'm gonna have to switch to my computer to answer you

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No it's the read you disagree with the most

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I don't get how the fuck you're townreading Bitmap

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He had a probably correct stance on Klick

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Why the plural

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I think those are both wrong

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What's good about it

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Could you quote a post from him to accompany that thought

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Okay

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Mastina

How aware are you of this recurring thing where you do your catch up and you agree with posts I made earlier looking at stuff you want to look at

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No but I mean as a meta thing too

Trying to figure out whether or not the way it occurs can be an alignment tell for one or both of us

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From some reading I did a little after 1190,

I verified my memories that very similar occurred in Gamma's upick
Couldn't see anything at all in Vengeful Ghosts
Couldn't see anything in Ali V Pine but I'm still not sure why you scumread me in that game
Could see excessive amounts of disagreement in a story revisited

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Okay cool so I don't think you were considering this as a possible thing that I might townread you for which is good

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The only downside is that a story revisited was fucking ages ago. But I think since you're looking for things in the same places I am, and you aren't trying to steer me anywhere on anything else, that's an extremely strong indication that you're town

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Do you want to help me analyse Chemist? I want to see how many locktowns I can identify here and he'd be my next possible candidate but I'm aware he's voting you

Skitter seems to have come to different conclusions than I had on almost everything but has only read up to about half the game plus pages 44-46

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I think that after seeing Alisae's play in Guns and Roses, I feel that it doesn't really feel similar but it seems closer to her scum play in LOTHS..

I feel like Ali is leaning town because e is acting like Guns and Roses town!Ali.

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No that's just Alisae

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Nobody has cared about the 1V1 in pages

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Sure but you probably shouldn't make something a bigger thing than it is in a post in which you say you're trying to deescalate and make it less of a thing

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Like, what did you intend to achieve with 1219?