Team Mafia 2020: Open Setup - Game Over

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why tf are people outing hoods?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oka is the only one who’s being sensible town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oka is the only one who’s being sensible town.

and SS.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Titus

Pine may be scum or just trolling but Titus is being anti-town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oka is the only one who’s being sensible town.

Why?

Because it’s antitown to out the hoods.

[Nancy Drew 39]

UNVOTE:

for now.

[Nancy Drew 39]

An IC is outed by definition. I don’t know what you’re talking about

Ideally, doc should protect phone operator, so I’m assuming they would be IC then. I’ve never hear of an “indecisive” anything before? What does that even mean in this context?

[Nancy Drew 39]

An IC is outed by definition. I don’t know what you’re talking about

Ideally, doc should protect phone operator, so I’m assuming they would be IC then. I’ve never hear of an “indecisive” anything before? What does that even mean in this context?

I mean phone operator, not doc. Doc needs to remain hidden, which is why no one should out hoods.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’ve never hear of an “indecisive” anything before? What does that even mean in this context?

Can't target the same player twice in a row.

Indecisive doctor is common in F2F.

What’s “F2F” and I don’t understand why the doc has an “indecisive” modifier.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Indecisive Doc is a weak role, and Phone Operator is almost meaningless except to catch obvious lies...which is also pretty meaningless.

A D2 or D3 Innocent Child, however, is very strong.

The only way that can be achieved is obviously if a scum neighbour is lynched.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well, I’ve already outed myself as a Neighbor, which was a careless mistake, but I won’t be outing my Neighbor. I suggest we table it until at least D2, and at the start of each day ask ourselves, “Do we need an IC today?”

PE: We don’t get to choose who the IC is. It’s the Doctor.

But why the doc and not the phone operator? Because doc can protect them as long as they remain hidden.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Phone Operator

could be

paired with a Mafia Neighbor.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The Doc is functionally an IC

I mean, so is the phone operator, so long as they claim before LYLO.

The better one imo and the doc should optimally stay hidden and protect them.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well, I’ve already outed myself as a Neighbor, which was a careless mistake, but I won’t be outing my Neighbor. I suggest we table it until at least D2, and at the start of each day ask ourselves, “Do we need an IC today?”

PE: We don’t get to choose who the IC is. It’s the Doctor.

But why the doc and not the phone operator? Because doc can protect them as long as they remain hidden.

Doc can't heal the same person two nights in a row.

Oh, so then they shouldn’t claim but then we can’t keep them safe.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The Doc is functionally an IC

I mean, so is the phone operator, so long as they claim before LYLO.

No it isn’t. The Phone Operator can be fake!counterclaimed, the Doc can’t. Any Mafia Neighbor who tries will have their Town Neighbor blow up the claim, and then we have TWO ICs

It said that the operator COULD BE paired with scum, so it also means they could be paired with town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think you and I are more or less on the same page, just using different words?

I suppose. That's how about 50% of my conversations go, anyway

My point is just that the doc isn't special, it's just vulnerable to being accidentally outed, and so we should do everything in our power to avoid that.

+1

And we accomplish this by not outing any more hoods.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Math's thoughts Nancy is town or scum with Elsa. Oka is lock!town. He's only read through page 1 though.

I'm not sure what to think on the strength of his reads.

I'm strongly leaning town on Pine, Krazy and Oka at the moment. I doubt Elsa and Nancy are scum. That's a little self-centered and convienent to think scum just immediately voted me because I had the optimal plan. I would expect that either Elsa or Nancy is scum but not both.

Why can’t we be both town?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think Titus is probably town, Math otoh, the jury’s still out on.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Krazy too.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy what's your new avi from?

Chloe from the show, the B in Apt. 23.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Can we please stop outing hoods, even that you’re in one? If everyone but the doc outs they’re in a hood, scum will figure out who the doc is.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I haven't claimed to have or not have a neighbor. That post was purely hypothetical.

Alright then.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Krazy is so super obvtown it hurts.

[Nancy Drew 39]

She is overwhelming consensus best chandra in magic
but more importantly you hurt her feelings and now I won't send you a pic of her with my cat.

@ND

Could you explain why you're sure about Krazy? I usually misread him. I know you pride yourself on meta and it's probably some of that

Well I subbed in for scum!Krazy in Gay Dance and he was kind of off, similar to PFUPS. Scum!Krazy just isn’t this super active and solvey. Krazy scum tries to coast than actually do anything to advance the game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

after some talking with teammates

setup isn't actually breakable unless we hit both scum very early with doc saves

good. new decade new movie

im pretty sure (80++) that elsa is scum, and this setup, even though not breakable has some 75+ win rate strategy. just need to sleep and think about it.

VOTE: elsa

I like the 3 neighbor version proposed by bbmolla a lot more.

I’m pretty sure she isn’t.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Krazy is so super obvtown it hurts.

Calling it. [Krazy, nancy, one other]

Are you scum here, Pine?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think, Titus, Krazy, Elsa, Oka, Pops and SS are town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

after some talking with teammates

setup isn't actually breakable unless we hit both scum very early with doc saves

good. new decade new movie

im pretty sure (80++) that elsa is scum, and this setup, even though not breakable has some 75+ win rate strategy. just need to sleep and think about it.

VOTE: elsa

I like the 3 neighbor version proposed by bbmolla a lot more.

VOTE: DDL

I don’t like this vote or this opening.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Strongest tr are on Titus, Oka, Pops, Elsa, SS.

I still think Krazy is town because I don’t see anything scummy in his ISO.

Naci, weak townlean

Amrun ???
Pine ???

DDL - prob scum

His naked vote and opening fake looking tryhard post, look scummy to me. It reads like he thinks Elsa is an easy mislynch, so he didn’t have to bother giving actual reasons for his read or vote.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Krazy is so super obvtown it hurts.

Strongest tr are on Titus, Oka, Pops, Elsa, SS.

I still think Krazy is town because I don’t see anything scummy in his ISO.

Naci, weak townlean

Amrun ???
Pine ???

DDL - prob scum

His naked vote and opening fake looking tryhard post, look scummy to me. It reads like he thinks Elsa is an easy mislynch, so he didn’t have to bother giving actual reasons for his read or vote.

how do you go from super confident to krazy town to ehh nothing scummy so poe town

That was my inital reaction but on reevaluation, I’m less sure.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Holy fuckballs, Titus is town, and right.

Someone please tell me why we shouldn’t mass claim everything?

Massclaiming leaves us with dr vs mafia roleblocker, and phone operator.

That’s a 50% chance of lynching right and leaving us with a town confirm. I feel like that’s pretty good.

Early massclaiming outs doc.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Holy fuckballs, Titus is town, and right.

Someone please tell me why we shouldn’t mass claim everything?

Massclaiming leaves us with dr vs mafia roleblocker, and phone operator.

That’s a 50% chance of lynching right and leaving us with a town confirm. I feel like that’s pretty good.

So you are in favour of everyone outting in effect the doc.

As others have pointed out the doc isnt in hood.

So reduce the hiding space for our doc from 7 to none.


There could be something that could be said for mass claim as teh days go on. But now it only favours scum.


Although no one should lol hammer and give every player enough time to let everyoen know their hood at l-1



when we lynch scum. We get confirmed townie. This leaves scum with out the ability to kill them before the doc. Until a second is lynched and even then, scum need to feel lucky.

However, if we in effect out the doc.

The doc dies and every time we get a confirmed townie. we risk losing him that night of the scum lynch

I think Bob is town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't, I've only read the first two pages because I've been out with friends. Her name fit my purposes for the joke.

I've been staring at your post for quite a while now, Bob. You know how you know something's off, but you can't put your finger on what that is? Well, your post had that kind of uncanny valley feeling to it, but an hour into my scrutiny, I got it.
There's no typos in that post.

VOTE: Bob

Why is Bob scum? I liked his doc theory.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Pretty suspicious, right? If on average you make 8 typos per post, and you correct two on average for every double check, that would mean you double checked that post 4 times.
Double check × double check × double check × double check = a

sixteenble check

Checking a post 16 times seems a little excessive, doesn't it, Bob? What exactly are you hiding?

You’re sr a slot for making typos? I’d be lynched every single game if that was scum indicative.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I can't do the gimmick anyway now; it's been shot down by the mafiascum police. Also, that's not really a reason to say I'm scum. VOTE: Pine

I'll be V/LA until Monday, but I'll make a special exception for this game on Sunday, because you all seem like wonderful people and I wouldn't want to let any of you down. @mod: V/LA until 06/01.

I don’t understand the reasoning behind any of your votes. Yeah, I was definitely suspicious when he thought I was scum based on one single post but I could also see that coming from bad town.

I’m liking DDL and Hectic the least now. What do you think Titus? I trust your Hectic read over anyone else’s for obvious reasons.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Elsa Jay

I'm also against outing hoods right away. I think a neighbor should reveal when their partner dies, though.
The doc has utility outside because it can protect one of the 3-4 other confirmable town roles, and I'd rather not reveal it right away.

This a town vote. it is awarded town points.

Yeah, I think Naci is obviously town but she’s wrong on Elsa.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Auro doesn’t like Krazy’s opening.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Rereading the setup I realized something interesting. I guess I didn't pay too much attention, but since scum have a rolecop, and can automatically eliminate 3 people from being the doctor since they're neighbors with them, the Doctor has a way higher then normal chance of getting shot.

I know we were talking about scumslips and townslips and elsa earlier. This would qualify as a potential scumslip imo.

I already noted that I think this post could come from a scum mindset, but how is it a scumslip?

I don’t understand why Elsa’s post is scummy at all. I mean that does make sense doesn’t it? Scum do know obviously that at least two town can’t be doc and rolecop can confirm another player, right?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Auro doesn’t like Krazy’s opening.

Oh nice, that should confirm me as town then :3

He also said in Excalibur that you don’t joke as scum. I’m still the most suspicious of DDL/Hectic but if Titus thinks he’s scum, I’ll probably switch my vote.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Rereading the setup I realized something interesting. I guess I didn't pay too much attention, but since scum have a rolecop, and can automatically eliminate 3 people from being the doctor since they're neighbors with them, the Doctor has a way higher then normal chance of getting shot.

I know we were talking about scumslips and townslips and elsa earlier. This would qualify as a potential scumslip imo.

I already noted that I think this post could come from a scum mindset, but how is it a scumslip?

I don’t understand why Elsa’s post is scummy at all. I mean that does make sense doesn’t it? Scum do know obviously that at least two town can’t be doc and rolecop can confirm another player, right?

Yeah but that’s not at all what I was thinking about when it came to the setup. Were you?

I just don’t understand how this post comes from a scum mindset?

[Nancy Drew 39]

You guys mind if I lurk the first few day phases out? I joined too many games and this is lower down on my priority list. My partners will probably check in later.

-Hectic

dont lurk. lurking is absolutely not a towntell for you.

Neither is making ill thought out impulsive votes.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Auro doesn’t like Krazy’s opening.

Oh nice, that should confirm me as town then :3

He also said in Excalibur that you don’t joke as scum. I’m still the most suspicious of DDL/Hectic but if Titus thinks he’s scum, I’ll probably switch my vote.

Can you explain this post re: Titus?

Titus claimed Hectic as her neighbour, so maybe she has inside info that can help us better sort him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

k

VOTE: Dr Talks to his cats

I’m assuming that’s a DDL vote?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Rereading the setup I realized something interesting. I guess I didn't pay too much attention, but since scum have a rolecop, and can automatically eliminate 3 people from being the doctor since they're neighbors with them, the Doctor has a way higher then normal chance of getting shot.

I know we were talking about scumslips and townslips and elsa earlier. This would qualify as a potential scumslip imo.

I already noted that I think this post could come from a scum mindset, but how is it a scumslip?

I don’t understand why Elsa’s post is scummy at all. I mean that does make sense doesn’t it? Scum do know obviously that at least two town can’t be doc and rolecop can confirm another player, right?

Yeah but that’s not at all what I was thinking about when it came to the setup. Were you?

I just don’t understand how this post comes from a scum mindset?

Idk, maybe it doesn’t. It’s not a smoking gun. But I had given ZERO thought to a strategy scum might use to doc hunt. Absolutely zero. Not sure why town would really think about this in this way.

I don’t know. I haven’t so far in this game but I have done that in lots of games, to help me find scum. Town scum hunts where as scum doc hunts in this setup. I know RC has said that when he’s town, he finds scum based on how he would play as scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

He also said in Excalibur that you don’t joke as scum.

If I recall correctly, you were right on me in Excalibur and he was wrong, just like you were right on me in No Deadlines, although every time you're scum you tend to be uncertain about me. In fact the last time you were uncertain of me you were uncertain of me *with Auro* iirc

I’m not scum here. The only game I’ve been scum with Auro was in CoC2 and I don’t recall at all being uncertain on your slot in that. I was also uncertain of you in CoC 1, where Auro was scum and I was town, so I’m not understanding this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

vote elsa pisskop

Stop trying to drive a lynch on town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m not pisskop but I’ll take that offer anyway.

VOTE: Elsa

Easily the most vote worthy so far

She’s town, trust me on this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m not pisskop but I’ll take that offer anyway.

VOTE: Elsa

Easily the most vote worthy so far

She’s town, trust me on this.

Why is she town?

It would be antitown for me to reveal my reasons.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m not scum here. The only game I’ve been scum with Auro was in CoC2 and I don’t recall at all being uncertain on your slot in that. I was also uncertain of you in CoC 1, where Auro was scum and I was town, so I’m not understanding this.

Yeah I wasn't saying you are. I was feeling a bit ehh on your opening but feel like you've warmed up a little. But if you're town I kinda don't know why you'd value Auro's take over your own when frankly you usually are right on me earlier when you're town

I guess I'd have to reread the Coc games, you might have been more confident than I remember.

I was uncertain of you as town in CoC1, because Ank kept pushing obvtown Shoshin. I practically townlocked you as scum in CoC2. The really only relevance to any of this, is that Auro was in those games. In Excalibur, you were flaming obvtown like you were in Undertale. If I 100% agreed with Auro, I’d obviously be voting you, wouldn’t I?

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Pine

where are you on this slot nancy?

Null, I didn’t like that he name us both as the scumteam and that he sr my post about you being so obvtown it hurt.

However, it is just as likely to come from bad town as scum.

Why is DDL or Hectic town?

The fact that DDL is trying to drive an extremely likely mislynch on Elsa is pinging my scumdar off the charts.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I was uncertain of you as town in CoC1, because Ank kept pushing obvtown Shoshin.

Yeah, that's more what I was saying. You just don't tend to be uncertain of me at all when you're town. Whereas in MD2, CoC1, you both would find reasons to not locktown me at certain stages. I'm still feeling like you're likely town, I just think Auro being paranoid of me for NAI reasons is kinda a meme, one that he is aware of since we've talked about it several times

Possibly, none of my other teammates have weighed in. He was right about scum!Dunn in RJN but yeah, I’m more leery of his read on you. since I thought you were obvtown in HP but he wrongly sr you in that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Rereading the setup I realized something interesting. I guess I didn't pay too much attention, but since scum have a rolecop, and can automatically eliminate 3 people from being the doctor since they're neighbors with them, the Doctor has a way higher then normal chance of getting shot.

I know we were talking about scumslips and townslips and elsa earlier. This would qualify as a potential scumslip imo.

I already noted that I think this post could come from a scum mindset, but how is it a scumslip?

It... Isn't?

That post is me looking from a scum mindset to prevent scum from actually using it. What did you think I was doing?

+1

If anything, this is actually far more likely to come from at town mindset.

[Nancy Drew 39]

im reevaluating my elsa read but more on that tomorrow

UNVOTE:

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm going to tackle this in the morning. I have a deep gut feeling that there's either a setup break or at least a mandatory-once-we-see-it strategy in the setup.

Essentially, talented players don’t get credit for Townslips, and get possible scumslips held against them. It’s a higher standard.

It’s a compliment.

Krazy is so super obvtown it hurts.

Calling it. [Krazy, nancy, one other]

VOTE: Hectic

Nnnnnope. I'm all for gimmicks, but this isn't the set of games, and you comes off more as trolling than anything else.

I guess 127 might not ping other people as much as me but I feel like Pine should recognize at a glance this setup cannot be "broken" so this feels like distracting fluff, also the optimal strategy can be described in like a sentence. ("claim hoods at intent") actually maybe just four words lol.

192 just seems like attacking a townblock and 242 seems unnatural

Feel like this is better than Elsa or Eddie atm. Maybe I should go full aggro and demand everyone sheep me immediately for better results? :3

I don’t think anyone is currently sr Eddie?

I’m back to thinking you might be town again, because you didn’t do jack in either Gay Dance or PFUPS. Also, scum!you is far less active.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The fact that DDL is trying to drive an extremely likely mislynch on Elsa is pinging my scumdar off the charts.

Townies have bad reads sometimes...

I like that he backed off of that. None of my teammates are disputing my Elsa read, so I’ll stick with it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Is that bad?

Not by definition. But I feel like Pine is more trying to keep his options open than both townhunt and scumhunt. He said you were town and his neighbor was town but the rest of his iso is mostly setup spec and weak potshots. If Pine is town I'm sure he can do better with encouragement :3

He also outed being in a hood first post and then gets mad at me for not understanding the setup. Why would he think scum!me wouldn’t understand the setup? As for Titus, her outing Hectic, was clearly bad but she obvtowned after it and considering Hectic is one of the most slippery slots in this game, that might not have been a bad thing.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Think amrun might be town?

She is doing a lot of sorting and questioning, so probably.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don’t think anyone is currently sr Eddie?

piss was arguing for pressure there even if it wasn't a full scumread so I was responding to that

Oh, I’m currently a null on him. He hasn’t done anything scum indicative so far.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Nancy

Drunk!Titus is following Mathblade reads to see what the fuck happens.

Wtf is wrong with you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

yes

Why? Mathblade is giving me an earful about how he taught Nancy how to play scum. Bitching about town idiots was one of his recommendations to her.

Math was also insistent that Kokichi was lockscum in DnD, your point?

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Titus, if you’re seriously going to follow Math’s reads, then I will be advocating PLing you in every game we’re in. Not joking.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy always bitches about town

When's the last time she's done it as town?

@Nancy, I am drunk and husband is trying to fucking steal money from me like I am a door mat. Be glad you aren't male.

I don’t understand how the guy who wrongly deathtunnels town, is your most reliable source suddenly for making reads. He also kept insisting Sakura was scum, which was one of the reasons we mislynched him in that FG game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Titus, if you’re seriously going to follow Math’s reads, then I will be advocating PLing you in every game we’re in. Not joking.

I will also disregard every single read you make in any game ever if you base it on Math.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m starting to doubt my Titus tr, she’s way to smart to allow Math to direct her.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy always bitches about town

When's the last time she's done it as town?

@Nancy, I am drunk and husband is trying to fucking steal money from me like I am a door mat. Be glad you aren't male.

I don’t understand how the guy who wrongly deathtunnels town, is your most reliable source suddenly for making reads. He also kept insisting Sakura was scum, which was one of the reasons we mislynched him in that FG game.

Again, I'm not doing this because I think Math is right or wrong.

I'm doing it because I want to see what happens.

What will fucking happen is I flip town. And yes, Math is wrong and I’m also seriously considering redacting my defense of you against RC in GS.

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy always bitches about town

When's the last time she's done it as town?

@Nancy, I am drunk and husband is trying to fucking steal money from me like I am a door mat. Be glad you aren't male.

I don’t understand how the guy who wrongly deathtunnels town, is your most reliable source suddenly for making reads. He also kept insisting Sakura was scum, which was one of the reasons we mislynched him in that FG game.

Again, I'm not doing this because I think Math is right or wrong.

I'm doing it because I want to see what happens.

What will fucking happen is I flip town. And yes, Math is wrong and I’m also seriously considering redacting my defense of you against RC in GS.

You remember that game, where you insisted we veto obvtown PB and that Sky who was bleeding obvtown was scum in that?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m starting to doubt my Titus tr, she’s way to smart to allow Math to direct her.

Mathblade is not directing me. I am doing this of my own volition.

What do you think of my other reads? Of Krazy?

P.S. I think Elsa, Oka, SS and Pine are town.

@SS, See Civilization mafia. Math won't flip any opinion of mine.

And if you were actually using your brain here, I would also be in this list. I had better stop or I may say something to harm our friendship. :/

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m also seriously considering redacting my defense of you against RC in GS.

Not sure what this is about. I can't remember what GS stands for or why it's relevant. RC is a narcissist who cares more about his ego than winning. If he looks good or it's easier for him, it's the right play. Sort RC by where his ego is.

Because you’re seriously pissing me off rn. You played a lion’s share of the role in us losing that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m starting to doubt my Titus tr, she’s way to smart to allow Math to direct her.

Mathblade is not directing me. I am doing this of my own volition.

What do you think of my other reads? Of Krazy?

P.S. I think Elsa, Oka, SS and Pine are town.

@SS, See Civilization mafia. Math won't flip any opinion of mine.

And if you were actually using your brain here, I would also be in this list. I had better stop or I may say something to harm our friendship. :/

So you agree with my townreads? Do you think Krazy is town?

I don’t know. Rn, I’m too tilted about you trying to mislynch me for God only knows what reasons.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m starting to doubt my Titus tr, she’s way to smart to allow Math to direct her.

Mathblade is not directing me. I am doing this of my own volition.

What do you think of my other reads? Of Krazy?

P.S. I think Elsa, Oka, SS and Pine are town.

@SS, See Civilization mafia. Math won't flip any opinion of mine.

And if you were actually using your brain here, I would also be in this list. I had better stop or I may say something to harm our friendship. :/

So you agree with my townreads? Do you think Krazy is town?

I don’t know. Rn, I’m too tilted about you trying to mislynch me for God only knows what reasons.

Bullshit. Town you has reads on people.

Don’t push me, I don’t want to say anything that might hurt our friendship and if you are being this tonedeaf, then I just going to ignore your posts,

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don’t know. Rn, I’m too tilted about you trying to mislynch me for God only knows what reasons.

why is a vote from a person who admits they arent sober so troublesome?

Because, there’s no fucking excuse for Titus to be this bad at reading me and I’m not only talking about the game either.

[Nancy Drew 39]

there is no wagon its sitting at one vote we are 25 hours into this game

Ok. Then all the merrier reason to help explain Nancy to me. If RC was on her team it would make sense why Nancy is so defiant but...

Nancy holds herself to a very high opinion and it also so happens that she feels that being scumread is an attack on her play.

I’m not scum here and the fact that Titus thinks I am, has made me lose a great deal of respect for hers.

[Nancy Drew 39]

That's Krazy talk, Oka.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Oka

Alright this can happen too if you're just going to be obnoxious

Oka is town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i think krazy's posts reads as someone who is trying to but struggling to get a foothold into the game without potentially hurting himself

like up until pine he made a lot of empty posts that don't really lead anywhere but are like weird attempts at interacting with someone that avoids finding scum

and i think the pine push indicates what i suspected, he was just biding his time for something he could jump at

Well, I know that his whole I’m uncertain when Auro sr him makes me scum argument, didn’t make sense but his vote on you is gross.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i think krazy's posts reads as someone who is trying to but struggling to get a foothold into the game without potentially hurting himself

like up until pine he made a lot of empty posts that don't really lead anywhere but are like weird attempts at interacting with someone that avoids finding scum

and i think the pine push indicates what i suspected, he was just biding his time for something he could jump at

Well, I know that his whole I’m uncertain when Auro sr him makes me scum argument, didn’t make sense but his vote on you is gross.

But making horrible pushes is also something I’ve seen town!Krazy do as well.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Krazy is also being really active and aggressive which is town indicative for him. I think he is just making a really bad vote because I think Oka is being obvtown here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

because while he was asking elsa about frozen 2 there were things going on in the background that he could;ve entered into on his own accord

I'll have you know I solved Krazy's alignment and role just from that convo.

He's obviously the Phone Operator.

Wow, really?

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Nancy

VOTE: Eddie

I thought in GS, you claimed to have good reads.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Nancy

VOTE: Eddie

I thought in GS, you claimed to have good reads.

I’m voting EC because in GS he claimed to have really good reads, which makes me think he could be scum here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ss ur not even voting anyone just give me your vote

With the stated purpose of pushing through a lynch already? No thanks.

I should probably try to link Coalition for you. Krazy acted super scummy in that but was town, so for him - actually being scummy is lurking and coasting. If he’s pushing anything no matter how bad, it’s usually more likely to be town indicative. So I still think he’s town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm on my phone so I can't quotewall what I want to quotewall

I disagree about never referencing teammates because teammates can have good reads, but if you pretend the reads are your own your read progression will look misfittingly scummy. I think people should talk about their own reads and teammates' reads and say which is which.

Okay still seems easiest to sort.

PR jokes are stressing me out scumteams are good enough to read those.

S_S feels off to me. He seems like he's mimicking his town meta instead of playing his town met because Oka's case seems like the last one is expect him to give the Socratic treatment

If he starts talking about his playstyle a lot, I’ll get worried.

[Nancy Drew 39]

krazy literally a paragon nom

Mastina is biased, so you really can’t put too much stock in that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I should probably try to link Coalition for you. Krazy acted super scummy in that but was town, so for him - actually being scummy is lurking and coasting. If he’s pushing anything no matter how bad, it’s usually more likely to be town indicative. So I still think he’s town.

I don't trust myself to form good meta reads based off of games I wasn't in, but that seems pretty consistent with his scum play in Alisae v Pine, as well.

He’s got that sense of conviction in his reads which I didn’t see in PFUPS or GD. He also seems genuinely pissed to me and he basically just gave up fighting against our lynch in PFUPS. Agressive Krazy more often than not = town!Krazy.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oka's pretty obvtown and even if you haven't gotten there yourself I think you seem collectivist enough to think the others of us who have said so.might be right. There's plenty of genuinely flawed reasoning having passed as gameplay around the same time. Like, why does an "experiment ing" push on ND make sense before she had any associations and when that's not a great way to sort Nancy in general.
That's just an example, not actually your specialty

+1

Now you know why I want to strangle Titus [in game] for that because she ought to know a lot better and I really don’t gaf whether she’s drunk or not.

[Nancy Drew 39]

krazy literally a paragon nom

Mastina is biased, so you really can’t put too much stock in that.

maybe krazy isn't the greatest town player ever to live but i think getting nominated for paragon indicates a level of competency as a town player

Krazy will probably kill me for this but I really don’t understand that nom. But it’s from freaking Mastina ffs, so you have to take that with a grain of salt. Anyway, I know his scumplay and his townplay and I stand by it being the latter.

When I rolled scum with Krazy, he told me he would hide a lot, so being active for him is a strong towntell.

[Nancy Drew 39]

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=79751&user_select%5B%5D=32341

Coalition. Both of Krazy and me were town in that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=79751&user_select%5B%5D=32341

Coalition. Both of Krazy and me were town in that.

Subject: Micro 873 - Game Over

HEAL: Raya36,

PvtUrist, Skygazer,

implosion, Weiss Schnee

I don't trust Nancy now either she's doing the thing where she seems to not get nuance

@Oka, the red underlined were the scumteam, so tell me again how Krazy having bad reads is scum indicative for him?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Auro is now tr Krazy. He said he liked your reaction to him sr you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

just say ur dva so i can mark you down as town babyrage

I hydra’d with him as DrewVa twice, once in Overkill 2 and 2nd in LNT.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Krazy, We aren't playing with who can beat us. Anyone can be lynched. If we were, we'd have to vote Nancy because her response is to belittle anyone who suspects her is toxic as fuck. We vote scum.

Pine is pretty surely town. So is Oka.

If I am wrong, I'll suck it up and deal with it then.

I was going to publically apologise to you because it was wrong of me to threaten to pl you but your push on me last night was disgustingly shitty but it’s obviously not against site rules for someone to bully people and be hurtful and tonedeaf.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Krazy, We aren't playing with who can beat us. Anyone can be lynched. If we were, we'd have to vote Nancy because her response is to belittle anyone who suspects her is toxic as fuck. We vote scum.

Pine is pretty surely town. So is Oka.

If I am wrong, I'll suck it up and deal with it then.

I was going to publically apologise to you because it was wrong of me to threaten to pl you but your push on me last night was disgustingly shitty but it’s obviously not against site rules for someone to bully people and be hurtful and tonedeaf.

You accused me of being abusive to you in HP when I treated you similarly, the only difference is you were actually scum in that game, so I obviously have to ask, why the hypocrisy here? Why do you think it’s ever okay for you to do something to me that you called “abusive” in a past game, when I was actually right but you doing the exact same thing to me here but being dead wrong, is somehow okay with you?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Pops might be scum.

@Nancy I accept your angry apology but what game is HP? I can't respond without knowing the acronyms.

Sorry, not good enough.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Pops might be scum.

@Nancy I accept your angry apology but what game is HP? I can't respond without knowing the acronyms.

Sorry, not good enough.

Not by a fucking longshot.

House Party and until I fucking get mine, I will not be engaging with you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Auro is saying that Krazy’s locktown. I will find the post, he quoted.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Spoiler:

[/quote="In post 491, Krazy"]

because while he was asking elsa about frozen 2 there were things going on in the background that he could;ve entered into on his own accord

like he had to be brought into setup spec stuff, but like even if he isn't into that

there were other ongoing happenings in thread that he avoided

Yes, you were contributing to the pointless spammy setup spec and you were scummy for that too. Titus made a bad proposal, it was shot down, the correct strategy was identified quickly and then everyone decided to keep talking about it like it was interesting when it was not. Pine in particular argued there was a mech solution possible when that's laughable. It seemed insincere. But here's the thing. If people are going into bad setup spec, and you want to see how far they push it, then you sometimes need to just let the do their thing. What if they *do* try to say there's a solve? You don't get people to open up naturally by constantly breathing down their neck and whining.

Look at your development on me. You first complain that I'm not being "solvy" when the game is still in a pretty boring slot. Why do you focus on me? Because I asked Elsa about the meme that his entire persona is based around? Here's the thing Oka. That is to say that you don't think I'm solving the game in a way *you like* because I actually try to get a feel for people and how they're doing rather than spam posting whatever inane thought has popped into my head that particular second. Like you're usually annoying and you don't respond particularly well to my playstyle so I was kinda willing to give you some room to be wrong but you're being too incessantly wrong and too distracting for me to give you a pass here. I'm starting to feel this push is more agenda-driven, or you're just having a bad early game even for you, but frankly I know your scum game involves being distracting and annoying, and I know your towngame is mediocre so I'm more than happy to just remove your slot and get on with the game since there's little upside to keeping you alive.

I already have a pretty decent town pile. There are arguments for Titus, S_S, pops, Nancy, and piss for town. I am pretty sure I can solve Dr. Downey Jr. by day 2. Elsa if scum is unlikely to endgame in a setup this stacked for town. So strictly speaking, if town is going to lose, it's going to be against people who can organize a scum strategy well (Pine) or someone who can actively disrupt town cohesion (you). You give weak agreements with what I'm saying about scumreads but actively distract and disrupt from my solving, so since you don't seem to want to even let me push Pine without you deflecting pressure off him then it seems like you going first is the best thing that can happen to this town.

[/quote]

For this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Auro also says “hi” to SS and says that he doesn’t think that Elsa isn’t enjoying the game which is a towntell for her.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Auro also says “hi” to SS and says that he thinks that Elsa isn’t enjoying the game which is a towntell for her.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Auro also says that Elsa isn’t being flashy, which probably means she’s town here. He says being flashy is NIA for her but not being flashy is definitely a towntell for her.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Titus, if you’re seriously going to follow Math’s reads, then I will be advocating PLing you in every game we’re in. Not joking.

This seems really excessive and unfair. This is team mafia, and it’s her actual brother.

Which is why I apologized to her. As I said, that was wrong of me to do that. I also have experience with Math deathtunelling a slot and he can wear you down until you see things his way. I know, I hydra’d with him in DnD and any even the slightest suggestion about him being possibly wrong on Kokichi scum, I would never hear the end of it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Titus, if you’re seriously going to follow Math’s reads, then I will be advocating PLing you in every game we’re in. Not joking.

This seems really excessive and unfair. This is team mafia, and it’s her actual brother.

Which is why I apologized to her. As I said, that was wrong of me to do that. I also have experience with Math deathtunelling a slot and he can wear you down until you see things his way. I know, I hydra’d with him in DnD and any even the slightest suggestion about him being possibly wrong on Kokichi scum, I would never hear the end of it.

I also was way more tilted than serious. I respect site rules and would never ever actually do anything like that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So what is it you actually want an apology for Nancy? I'm confused. I value our friendship too much to apologize just to do so. Plus, you'd see through that.

I was really upset when I told you I was tilted and you still pushed me to make reads and then when I told you how hurt I was, it looked like you were ridiculing me. It was never about the bad sr

Spoiler:

but seriously though, you really shouldn’t ever listen to Math about reads .

I legit can’t think straight when I’m really upset, much less make reads - let alone vote.

Spoiler:

Also, I know for a fact that Math knows nothing about my meta, because I literally begged him to read some of my past games to give me feedback on and he refused to do that. I honestly don’t even understand why he thinks I could ever be scum here but I actually think you make much better reads without consulting him and I think you know that too.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don’t think anyone is currently sr Eddie?

piss was arguing for pressure there even if it wasn't a full scumread so I was responding to that

Yes, pressure will be very effective on somebody with almost no internet. Scare me out of airplane mode!

Beetlejuice beetlejuice

@Eddie, do you still maintain what you said in GS about having brilliant reads?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm sorry that you felt ridiculed and bullied. That was never my intent. I just wanted to get a read on you myself. Math keeps saying there's an off factor with you and Elsa Jay. Not sure I agree.

I'm more interested in pops bob and hectic. Hectic has not displayed s strong reaction to me outing the hood.

I think Pops is town here. I liked the way he’s been sorting. I have no clue about either bob or Hectic. Do you think they could possibly be scum distancing?

Gut says, something is kind of off about Hectic, he seems very disconnected, which is extremely unusual for town!him.

He is usually engaging and more open when town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Hectic

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hi, Nancy, are you related to Doctor Drew?

I'm V/LA until Monday in case you missed that; I was being serious when I said I've only read the first two pages.
I'll come and obvtown my slot real quick when I'm back so you don't need to worry.

Oh

whoops

, I just dropped my

stethoscope

, how clumsy of me! I guess I'll retreat into my

consulting room

, and consult my

Drew

.
(hint hint)

No, why?

[Nancy Drew 39]

UNVOTE:

[Nancy Drew 39]

UNVOTE:

Hectic is town. Get your votes off of him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

No wait. I’m confused now.

[Nancy Drew 39]

No wait. I’m confused now.

But he’s town.

VOTE: Eddie

Back on Eddie for now - not interested in voting Hectic any longer.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i do not tr heck. yu do?

I thought he was trying fake PR but he could I suppose be doing to doc hunt? So, you maybe right.

[Nancy Drew 39]

although there's smarter people than me in the lobby so i want to defer the thinking to them

So does this imply then that you simply intend to sheep player reads in this game if there in a select lists.

Also what makes you agree with the others that elsa is scum or are you reconsidering that vote. As athough that vote was made in rvs stage. That wagon is building

Do you now consider you vote on elsa to now be serous

yeah, but only if i townread them.

I reread early elsa and I changed my mind.

not sure if my rvs is on elsa, but effectively UNVOTE:

im also p sure this is town nancy.

btw im only semi active

Wow, you’re good, you’re two for two now. Impressive.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think DDL’s town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm sorry that you felt ridiculed and bullied. That was never my intent. I just wanted to get a read on you myself. Math keeps saying there's an off factor with you and Elsa Jay. Not sure I agree.

I'm more interested in pops bob and hectic.

Hectic has not displayed s strong reaction to me outing the hood

.

I can only think of two possible reasons for this. One makes him locktown, the other scum. He said he will obvtown tomorrow, so we’ll likely find out which one then.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I can only think of two possible reasons for this. One makes him locktown, the other scum.

...You don't think it's possible that he just didn't find it important?

Why wouldn’t he find it important? You either think it’s a bad idea to out the hoods or you don’t. If you said he may be too busy to really be paying attention, I could definitely see that but to say he has no opinion on that doesn’t really make a lot of sense.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I mean, some people don't care about or like talking about mechanics.

Just because you personally wouldn't think that doesn't mean that nobody could.

This is starting to ping me a bit, because we have a setup where if you’re not in a hood, you’re doc, so who wouldn’t think that way? And having played with Hectic, I can’t imagine him having no reaction to that. He might not necessarily say that in his hood but having no reaction? No, I just don’t believe that. Like I said, I can think of two reasons for this and one of them involves him being town, so I’m not really sure why you’re even making that big a deal of this? It obviously concerned Titus enough to mention it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Hectic

It’s the disconnectedness which seems out of character for him. Typical town!Hectic is usually friendly and engaging.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Reads in no particular order or degree of strength. Just c/ped my notes from the catchup readthrough

Scum
Krazy - Bad entrance and followups. Reminds me of AVP
Nancy - Unjustifiable certainty too early w/r/t several slots (Krazy, Elsa esp)
Hectic - Bad off-topic/trolling posts, counter-productivity
bob - Maybe? Weak vibes

Town
Pops - Positive read, making a lot of sense
Elsa - Interactions from Nancy
Titus - Positive read, counterpoint to Hectic
Amrun - Very positive read
OkaPoka - I don't see the setup spec coming from scum? Setup-solving, gamesolving
pisskop - Obvious scumhunting effort
NaCl - vague positive read

Insufficient information
DDL (Please stop calling him Eddie Murphy, very confusing)
Eddie
S_S

I know at least one person who won’t be getting a paragon nom next year. Did you guess you? And you will always be the very LAST person on this site, I will ever be accepting criticisms wrt to my behaviour.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Nancy please ask your team's opinion of Pops and SS. Specifically NSG and RC.

They’re not on my team and I’ve asked them to help me get reads on other players but they’re also so involved in their own games and requesting my help but I’ll ask them specifically about Pops/SS. My teammates are Auro, Volxen and Ari, btw.

RC team doesn’t have a player in this game.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'll be catching up later today.
@Nancy: What's up with suddenly declaring I'm town and then voting me straight after I'd garnered some votes? What changed your mind? The reason I've been unengaged is because I haven't read up yet. I don't believe I'm being any less friendly than I usually am.
@Pine: How am I drawing out a doctor claim when it's been confirmed that I'm a neighbour?

I was sheeping Piss based on not liking your tone but I haven’t caught up yet.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Remind me where have I played with you before, Amrun.

We have a couple games that haven’t finished but they weren’t what I was referring to anyway. We do have Radja’s game finished where you were in a hydra. I fully intended to mislynch your slot there but town vigged you first.

But I’ve been reading a lot of different games as a Scummies judge and trying to re-familiarize myself after my absence.


Pine strikes me as town so far.


@pops: I don’t like the insinuation that I don’t have my own reads. I have clearly delineated my reads from skitter’s at all times. She didn’t even catch up until last night. It was just when she had time. She has a few that I haven’t shared since they weren’t excessively important and I hadn’t formed my own opinion on them (Nancy scumlean, Krazy townlean, Oka town, I’d have to review the convo for the rest). I do agree with Oka town at this point but I personally have zero read on Krazy. My point is, if I were scum trying to fabricate a read, I had no reason at all to even reveal skitter’s read, especially in that specific way.

I’m really shocked at this Amrun, I thought you could read me better by now.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay, I've caught up now.

Eddie Cane:

UNVOTE:

I'm still not completely convinced but it's unproductive to really think about it. I'm pretty busy myself today and will spend more time on looking through people tomorrow.

Yeah, I'm not really feeling this anymore. I would like to know about your ND vote back then, though, Eddie.

I'm caught up. I have 3 town reads, 2 scum reads, and a bunch of nulls.

Care to share them?

UNVOTE:

@nacl I don't feel krazy lynch good anymore

I feel meh about all the other existing wagon someone sell me

I don't know if what ss is currently posting is scum indicative or even ai

Eh, I'm having trouble seeing where you're at. Do you have an opinion on anyone in this game besides Krazy?


@ND39
Could you explain your thought process on going back and forth on the Hectic wagon?
Specifically, what made you say he's town in 584, then say that you were going to wait for him before changing your mind and joining the vote?

@Pine
I don't see why you find Hectic's post to be so scummy. It feels kind of forced to me. Because for one thing, it's Hectic, and also, he's already been outed as a neighbor. So why do you think it's some kind of gambit to get someone who's not reading to go and out themselves?

The entire Hectic wagon is pretty meh. I feel like it's being pushed for weak reasons. I'm not really seeing Hectic as being anything other than null so far and if he is scum then the wagon would be pretty productive, but if he's town then the lynch would be wasted one.

I’m not confident on it, I’m a lot more confident on certain tr. Like you, Krazy, Titus, Elsa, Piss, for example. I’m actually tl a majority of the playerlist. Everyone who’s ever played with me, knows my sr for the most part on D1, aren’t strong, with rare exceptions.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Thoughts:

-I initially townread Titus for clumsily revealing our hood, but on second thought, she'd have to have missed the fact that we can reveal hoods before being lynched, to prevent scum shenanigans, and confirming the phone operator and doctor as ICs is worse on day 1 rather than day 3. Also, how doctor can protect confirmed town if we happen to lynch a scum which makes their town neighbour confirmed. We don't want them to be easy nightkills for scum. The scum motivation to outing the hood is doing so to get townread for having a strong misinformed opinion I suppose? I don't think scum!her thinks her anti-town idea will actually pick up steam, so she only proposes it as scum if she thinks people will TR her for proposing an anti-town idea which she's less likely to push as scum.
-SS (Aa) is being sensible.
-Nancy being so careful with votes and unvoting I don't like. Why not leave the vote on when they're not likely to being lynched? Reason I think this could be scum-indicative is because scum want to appear cautious and not make enemies. Any metareads on Nancy would be insightful.
-I don't like Pine's 51. I assumed his RVS first post was a joke, so clarifying here seems unnecessary/a little cautious?
-Note: The Phone Operator is also an IC when they reveal, since they can confirm they have access to all neighbourhoods by referencing specific things from each of them.
-I picked this setup because it sounded like the most fun one.
-Titus' stubbornness is strange. Particularly 100. I feel it's been well explained how it's inoptimal to follow Titus' plan rather than Elsa's and SS' which are superior, so her saying "I'm outvoted" rather than agreeing the other plans are superior is strange. I think Town!Titus would've realised the superiority of the other plan by now.
-107: Why scum in particular? Lolhammers come more often from town. This is probably semantics and NAI.
-Liking Elsa Jay for his "townslip" and 145
-178: Surprised at this, hard null for me so far. Are you townreading him for how carefree he is?
-I find myself agreeing with the reads on 197. Thinking Krazy is obvtown but not a strong townread is weird, and don't agree with the read on Titus.
-127 and 192 are bad, but I'm thinking I might be biased against Pine knowing what comes from him later.
-Sigh, do I regard 201 as a townslip? In general, I do feel that townslips are real 80%+ of the time, so slightly town-indicative I guess.
-208: She's telling us what one of her team members think. "That feels like a way to shift responsibility off your own reads." - I don't like this from NaCl.


Aaand I'm all caught up to my first post of the game. I'll pick up where I left off later.

UNVOTE:

[Nancy Drew 39]

I really dislike Pine btw. I haven't fully caught up but I want to skip ahead and talk about his. He scumreads me for joking around. Some others like pops mention it's NAI for me.

@Pine: How am I drawing out a doctor claim when it's been confirmed that I'm a neighbour?

Right here:

Oh

whoops

, I just dropped my

stethoscope

, how clumsy of me! I guess I'll retreat into my

consulting room

, and consult my

Drew

.
(hint hint)

Here, obviously. The "hint hint" especially has no function from a Town perspective, but could very easily be intended to draw out a Doctor who isn't close-reading to say "aha! I counterclaim!"

Just because it's clumsy doesn't make it not scummy. And if you're Town just dicking around, then you should be ashamed of yourself and knock it the fuck off. This is Team Mafia, not some random Mini you joined on a lark.

And then he thinks I'm drawing a doc claim out while I'm a neighbour. I mention this to him and I really don't believe he thinks I actually thought I could out a doctor who wasn't paying attention and forgot I was a confirmed neighbour. It was literally the 5th post of the game where Titus claims we're neighbours, and much of the discussion after is regarding that. No doc is going to counterclaim that obvious joke.
Also, I'm not going to change how I play to appease you, stop being a negative Nancy (no offence, Nancy - I love you).

But you’re wrongly reading me here. Why did you direct that stethoscope post to me in particular? Like you obviously can’t be the doc, so why make that post?

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Nancy: What's up with suddenly declaring I'm town and then voting me straight after I'd garnered some votes? What changed your mind? The reason I've been unengaged is because I haven't read up yet. I don't believe I'm being any less friendly than I usually am.

Did you answer this, Nancy?

You did seem kind of disconnected to me but now you’re making reads, so I dunno.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy you are starting to feel like a caricature of yourself, what gives?

I don’t even know wtf that’s supposed to mean? Ask me a REAL question and I’ll be more than happy to answer it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'll be catching up later today.
@Nancy: What's up with suddenly declaring I'm town and then voting me straight after I'd garnered some votes? What changed your mind? The reason I've been unengaged is because I haven't read up yet. I don't believe I'm being any less friendly than I usually am.
@Pine: How am I drawing out a doctor claim when it's been confirmed that I'm a neighbour?

I was sheeping Piss based on not liking your tone but I haven’t caught up yet.

Hmm, so why did you declare I was town earlier?

I thought you were PR softing but then I thought maybe you were just trying to out the doc.

[Nancy Drew 39]

UNVOTE:

Hectic is town. Get your votes off of him.

Here I thought you thought I was a doc softing.

No wait. I’m confused now.

Here I thought you realised I was a nieghbour, so I can't be doc.

No wait. I’m confused now.

But he’s town.

VOTE: Eddie

Back on Eddie for now - not interested in voting Hectic any longer.

So I was confused when you made this post, since I thought it was for other reasons.

Can you tell me why you made that post - the stethoscope one?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I thought you were PR softing but then I thought maybe you were just trying to out the doc.

So at what point did you realise I wasn't PR softing? What were you confused about otherwise there?

Piss seemed really confident on you!scum and I thought you seemed to be disconnected, so I sheeped his vote, which I’ve already explained. Some reason you’re not answering my question?

[Nancy Drew 39]

RC isn't on any team here

Amrun and him are on the same teams. Check the first post in each thread. Both have the word Gap.

No, all of RC’s team have seal avatars. RC, Bit, Gif, nsg.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Hectic

If you had to pick some to vote as they are teh player you think is most likely scum. Who woudl it be?

I don't think this question is helpful, because I don't have anyone I think is significantly more likely to be scum than random.

If I were to pick a scumread or a vote based off of very little things, that will have the effect of amplifying the read, probably causing people to believe it's stronger than it is and ask me to explain it and then be confused when my reasons aren't strong, and it may cause me to confbias on it.

Whereas, there's no benefit from doing so. I can be read just fine (in fact, probably better) without it.

This is one of S_S's posts that is one of his goodpostings

and its logic applies to how I am not eager to justify a read for the 999th time that I'm not sure about

With some effort I could articulate some elements of what's a mismatch, some of it is harder to articulate

I can tell you virtually none of the patterns were present in Crown, I don't know if that's incidental or if S_S tends to play IC differently.

VOTE: Krazy

Bad vote

[Nancy Drew 39]

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Remind me where have I played with you before, Amrun.

We have a couple games that haven’t finished but they weren’t what I was referring to anyway. We do have Radja’s game finished where you were in a hydra. I fully intended to mislynch your slot there but town vigged you first.

But I’ve been reading a lot of different games as a Scummies judge and trying to re-familiarize myself after my absence.


Pine strikes me as town so far.


@pops: I don’t like the insinuation that I don’t have my own reads. I have clearly delineated my reads from skitter’s at all times. She didn’t even catch up until last night. It was just when she had time. She has a few that I haven’t shared since they weren’t excessively important and I hadn’t formed my own opinion on them (Nancy scumlean, Krazy townlean, Oka town, I’d have to review the convo for the rest). I do agree with Oka town at this point but I personally have zero read on Krazy. My point is, if I were scum trying to fabricate a read, I had no reason at all to even reveal skitter’s read, especially in that specific way.

I’m really shocked at this Amrun, I thought you could read me better by now.

I literally didn’t even mention a read on you in this post. That was Skitter’s read.

Also of note, skitter doesn’t think Pine is towny so far, rereading my own post reminded me to mention.

Interesting. I’m not liking how he’s trying so hard to push me and Krazy as the scumteam, especially after Auro locktowned him. However he also incorrectly read me in Vengeful Ghosts until Dann mech cleared us, so him wrongly sr me is NAI but then I’m still a bit suspicious of his opening. Did he really slip neighbour or was that intentional? I’m still null on him, however. What exactly is Skitter’s reasoning for thinking he’s scum here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think if I'm in your solve you have a 0% chance of being right
I still townread you though

If I’m in your solve, look fwd to being dead wrong, same probably with Krazy. He hides, lurks, coasts as scum. Read that game I linked. Both me and Ank were lock convinced on Krazy scum in that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy who on your team thinks ur obvtown

Oka, please stop asking me weird questions.

[Nancy Drew 39]

UNVOTE:

Hectic is town. Get your votes off of him.

Here I thought you thought I was a doc softing.

No wait. I’m confused now.

Here I thought you realised I was a nieghbour, so I can't be doc.

No wait. I’m confused now.

But he’s town.

VOTE: Eddie

Back on Eddie for now - not interested in voting Hectic any longer.

So I was confused when you made this post, since I thought it was for other reasons.

Can you tell me why you made that post - the stethoscope one?

There's no secret calculated reason, Nancy. I was just

memeing

as they call it nowadays.

When you called me town, did you still think I was a PR softing? If so, what were you confused about in the post preceding that one?

I thought you outed PR, doc specifically but then I remembered that you obviously couldn’t be doc, because of Titus.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I know at least one person who won’t be getting a paragon nom next year. Did you guess you? And you will always be the very LAST person on this site, I will ever be accepting criticisms wrt to my behaviour.

Can we not

No, Pine seems to feel he has some God given right to pass moral judgement on me and lecture me all over this goddamned forum and I’m frankly sick of it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I know at least one person who won’t be getting a paragon nom next year. Did you guess you? And you will always be the very LAST person on this site, I will ever be accepting criticisms wrt to my behaviour.

Can we not

No, Pine seems to feel he has some God given right to pass moral judgement on me and lecture me all over this goddamned forum and I’m frankly sick of it.

I’m fed up with his condescending attitude and constantly talking down to me. Right from the first post, he insulted my intelligence re: the setup but I ignored that but then he kept doing it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ask them on discord or I'll lynch you

Ask who what and why are you being a woat?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ask them on discord or I'll lynch you

Ask who what and why are you being a woat?

Btw, you’re not RC and don’t fucking threaten me, especially with things out of my control, ffs!

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ask your teammates if they think you are being obvtown and why

I know I’m obvtown and you’re being a woat. Ask me questions like Eddie asked. I’m not wasting their time with idiotic questions.

[Nancy Drew 39]

It's very much in your control go ask them please

Why tf would I ask them something I already know? Like seriously, ask me real questions to ask them and I’ll happily oblige.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Maybe I want their opinions?

But you know their my teammates and obviously biased, so I don’t really understand how this helps but okay fine. I still haven’t gotten their responses to Eddie’s question yet.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Hectic

If you had to pick some to vote as they are teh player you think is most likely scum. Who woudl it be?

I don't think this question is helpful, because I don't have anyone I think is significantly more likely to be scum than random.

If I were to pick a scumread or a vote based off of very little things, that will have the effect of amplifying the read, probably causing people to believe it's stronger than it is and ask me to explain it and then be confused when my reasons aren't strong, and it may cause me to confbias on it.

Whereas, there's no benefit from doing so. I can be read just fine (in fact, probably better) without it.

This is one of S_S's posts that is one of his goodpostings

and its logic applies to how I am not eager to justify a read for the 999th time that I'm not sure about

With some effort I could articulate some elements of what's a mismatch, some of it is harder to articulate

I can tell you virtually none of the patterns were present in Crown, I don't know if that's incidental or if S_S tends to play IC differently.

VOTE: Krazy

Bad vote

Do you think its a bad vote because you think the reasoning is bad. Or just based on your read of krazy

Also were do you think that players vote comes from. Whether a town just having bad reads or scummy.

The latter. I think he’s town here. I don’t know, as I’ve already stated, Krazy gets wrongly sr a lot to anyone unfamiliar with his meta and Titus is suspicious of her but she was initially one of my strongest tr. I still lean town on her.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ask your teammates if they think you are being obvtown and why

I know I’m obvtown and you’re being a woat. Ask me questions like Eddie asked. I’m not wasting their time with idiotic questions.

So if you were to look back through the game. Where do you think you have been obvous towning .

Because I never play like this as scum. And DDL is apparently one of the few who is seeing that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Oka, I asked your question but so far no one has gotten back to me on Eddie’s, so I wouldn’t hold my breath on that if I were you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I thought you outed PR, doc specifically but then I remembered that you obviously couldn’t be doc, because of Titus.

"When you called me town, did you still think I was a PR softing? If so, what were you confused about in the post preceding that one?" - What about this, Nancy?

I already answered this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I thought you outed PR, doc specifically but then I remembered that you obviously couldn’t be doc, because of Titus.

"When you called me town, did you still think I was a PR softing? If so, what were you confused about in the post preceding that one?" - What about this, Nancy?

I already answered this.

Are you trying out all of the prs, because I’m not really understanding where you’re going with this?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hi, Nancy, are you related to Doctor Drew?

I'm V/LA until Monday in case you missed that; I was being serious when I said I've only read the first two pages.
I'll come and obvtown my slot real quick when I'm back so you don't need to worry.

Oh

whoops

, I just dropped my

stethoscope

, how clumsy of me! I guess I'll retreat into my

consulting room

, and consult my

Drew

.
(hint hint)

No, why?

UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:

Hectic is town. Get your votes off of him.

No wait. I’m confused now.

No wait. I’m confused now.

But he’s town.

VOTE: Eddie

Back on Eddie for now - not interested in voting Hectic any longer.

i do not tr heck. yu do?

I thought he was trying fake PR but he could I suppose be doing to doc hunt? So, you maybe right.

@Nancy: In your posts here, you seem to think I'm softing PR at first, but then realise I can't be doc in post 582. So why are you still of the opinion that I'm town in 584? The reason I want to hear about this is because I believe it could be an inconsistent thought process which would be scum-indicative.

Well, I’m a lot more worried about you trying to out the PO. So, no.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If you can explain to me how that would be protown to do that, then I’ll answer you more specifically. Otherwise, no. @Hectic

[Nancy Drew 39]

Am I completely out in left field here, or does it look to anyone else that Hectic is PR hunting?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hi, Nancy, are you related to Doctor Drew?

I'm V/LA until Monday in case you missed that; I was being serious when I said I've only read the first two pages.
I'll come and obvtown my slot real quick when I'm back so you don't need to worry.

Oh

whoops

, I just dropped my

stethoscope

, how clumsy of me! I guess I'll retreat into my

consulting room

, and consult my

Drew

.
(hint hint)

I was obviously trying to keep my being in a hood a secret but scum can clearly obviously tell by my sudden unvote that I thought Hectic was doc. Now he continues to push this, maybe to sort me as he claims but I can also see the possibility that he’s also trying to out the PO as well.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And I don’t remember who it was who said this but how is it even remotely NAI for Hectic to be “antitown”. He has been clearly pro-town in every single game I’ve played with him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Nancy: Ah, I didn't realise you explaining your thought process would out you're not the doc, good point. I'm not trying to PR hunt, I just genuinely thought that the order of those posts were strange and think it might have been scum-indicative based on inconsistent thought process. Now that you've confirmed you're a neighbour, mind answering the question?

Yes, and that’s your fucking fault! I clearly didn’t want to do that. You didn’t tell me how my risking possibly outing the PO is protown yet. I’m not responding to another word until you convince me of that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy who on your team thinks ur obvtown

Oka, please stop asking me weird questions.

You could answer "they know I'm town cuz of my Role PM".

Maybe I want their opinions?

These aren't hydras. Talk to Nancy because she's the one playing.

Yes, that too, obviously. Yeah, they’re so involved in their other games that I think only Auro has even read anything so far.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And I don’t remember who it was who said this but how is it even remotely NAI for Hectic to be “antitown”. He has been clearly pro-town in every single game I’ve played with him.

I don't think it's antitown IMO. It should be obvious to any competent scum team (which should be any possible combination here) that you weren't the doc based off your reaction there, if you're town.

So why tf are you still even doubting that? Since when is town!you ever this dense?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yes Hectic, it definitely is your fault because of that dumb gimmick post. And the fact that you’re not even acknowledging how extremely antitown that was and refusing to take any responsibility for it at all is concerning.

I already told you, if you don’t convince me on how possibly risking outing the PO is protown. I’m not freaking answering you. If you could clearly tell I wasn’t the doc based off of my reaction then why tf are you still pursuing this?

And just to make this crystal clear to you:

If you don’t convince me on how possibly risking outing PR is protown, I’m not answering your question.

So do that or stop asking.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yes Hectic, it definitely is your fault because of that dumb gimmick post. And the fact that you’re not even acknowledging how extremely antitown that was and refusing to take any responsibility for it at all is concerning.

I already told you, if you don’t convince me on how possibly risking outing the PO is protown. I’m not freaking answering you. If you could clearly tell I wasn’t the doc based off of my reaction then why tf are you still pursuing this?

And just to make this crystal clear to you:

If you don’t convince me on how possibly risking outing PR is protown, I’m not answering your question.

So do that or stop asking.

I've taken responsibility; I admit that was my fault if you're town, and I can't convince you that was a pro-town post... because it wasn't.

@everyone: Am I wasting my time, or could someone else ask Nancy the question if they think there's merit to this? I'm unsure yet if her stubbornness to not answer the question is genuine frustration, or if I'm onto something and she doesn't want to explain herself. I need a fifth opinion.

Are you scum here or seriously being this dense? Are you not fucking reading my posts or what? I said, fucking convince me that risking possibly outing freaking PR is protown! God!

[Nancy Drew 39]

That's just Nancy being Nancy

Question is whether she is playing it up

I never fake my emotions.

[Nancy Drew 39]

And shoshin didn't think what she did was a trust tell

I’m not freaking Shoshin, so exactly what does that have jack to do with me?

I know I’m always genuine and that has been consistently true for every game I’ve played, with the sole exception of Shirley, you jest.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Are you scum here or seriously being this dense? Are you not fucking reading my posts or what? I said, fucking convince me that risking possibly outing freaking PR is protown! God!

I don't understand how explaining your thought process will risk outing another PR. Whatever, I'm getting nowhere with this.

If you’re actually town here, then use your brain, seriously. THINK about it. That’s why I don’t want to answer because I think my doing so is antitown. I’m honestly not meaning to be rude here but I really think it’s beyond freaking obvious.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well I'm not voting Nancy today.

I'll do Eddie Cane, pops, DrDoolittle, Krazy, Hectic, bob3141 or NaCl.

Pretty much everyone else on this list is town or town enough for today (Amrun). Can we lynch today please?

I don’t see why scum!DDL pockets me here and I don’t want to lynch Krazy or Naci.

[Nancy Drew 39]

You really don't see the value of someone giving you a townread Nancy?

Because as you already pointed out, I’m not exactly a consensus obvtown read yet, so why does scum!DDL pocket me when he could just as easily be pushing my mislynch?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Because youll defend him for it?

This is the second game in a row he’s correctly read me and I ISO’d one of his scumgames and he was way more active in that and aggressively pushing mislynches. Do you see him doing that here?

[Nancy Drew 39]

and nancy you r basically townreading anyone who townreads you and the job of scum is to _____

WIFOM?

And that isn’t true at all. I wouldn’t tr him for that if it was even remotely suspicious like Maria in Forgotten Hourglass.

I’m really getting annoyed that my reads keep being doubted. Have you forgotten Newsroom, where I correctly nailed the scumteam (don’t out me please)?

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy we just played baton pass together

No, I was in Newsroom and I caught GL D1 and SS D2. Unfortunately, you guys didn’t listen to me and mislynched that lurker who I told you was town but we finally did lynch SS on D3, I think. No, I was also mason doc with TT & T or whatever his name is, so this is like the 4th game I’ve played with you. You just don’t realize it yet. (Again, please don’t out me).

[Nancy Drew 39]

nancy we just played baton pass together

No, I was in Newsroom and I caught GL D1 and SS D2. Unfortunately, you guys didn’t listen to me and mislynched that lurker who I told you was town but we finally did lynch SS on D3, I think. No, I was also mason doc with TT & T or whatever his name is, so this is like the 4th game I’ve played with you. You just don’t realize it yet. (Again, please don’t out me).

In Great Idea Mafia. That’s why I’m so confident on Elsa being town here, because as you might remember, she was scum in that game along with Ofriz.

[Nancy Drew 39]

No I know exactly who you are and mislynching Engima was a necessary evil because he wasn't playing the game while S_S was willing to play the game. And I also remember the mason doc game, the one where you tried to get your mason buddy killed and I had to threaten to lol vig randomly because town wanted to let a 3p achieve a win condition.

What? I never tried to get him killed, I tried to stop him from getting mislynched! No, sorry but that’s total bs. Had you guys just listened to mr, we could have won on D2.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So was somewhat of a false alarm, all good. I don’t feel like catching up right now though. Sorry to alarm everyone.

I’m glad everything is okay. No worries.

[Nancy Drew 39]

oh wait i am misremembering that was the game where you were sick lol

Topaz, GIM, and I had the flu in I think a wgwurtz game I hydra’d with RC.

[Nancy Drew 39]

This isn't productive. I'm townreading most of the people spamposting here so I think it'd be protown to slow it down, I want to be able to figure out which of the DDLs and NaCls and Krazy Eddie Elsa Cane Jays are scum or town and if they're all having trouble catching up that's harder.

This setup would be great with neighbor rearrangements maybe if we asked Micc super nice.

You want to rearrange the hoods? You’re obviously joking.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Does that mean you don't want to be in a hood with me

I like my neighbour, they’re really cool. Perhaps a future game?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Elsa, my question directed to Nancy is more for Nancy's sake than for my sake if you know what I mean. Like I've said this before I don't know why you can't understand this.

Well, what would you like me to do Oka? My teammates clearly don’t understand what you’re even asking. All I’ve gotten so far is Auro telling me it’s too early for him to have a read on SS. I’m sure you mean well but you’re putting undue pressure on me over something that’s outside of my control. I keep leaving messages practically nagging my teammates to respond. I think like Elsa already suggested, you’re treating my slot more like I’m in a hydra where my teammates would you know, actually be paying a modicum of attention to this game, which they’re obviously not.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Does that mean you don't want to be in a hood with me

Does that mean you don't want to be in a hood with me

I like my neighbour, they’re really cool. Perhaps a future game?

If you're town, you realize posts like these help mafia PR hunt the doc and contribute nothing to solving the game, right?

Yes I do and you can 100% blame Hectic for that. He did that fake doc gambit and I reacted to it and immediately unvoted him and then I obviously realized he obviously couldn’t be doc but by then the damage was already done and then he kept badgering until I finally admitted I thought briefly he had doc claimed, so I obviously outed myself as a neighbour, which never would have happened otherwise.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy you always have an expectation of people treating you as obvtown and I'm hoping that if even your teammates can't explain why you are obvtown you will stop beating our heads over not locking you town.

Idk what to say nacl if you don't like what I've had to say then unlucky

I don’t think I’m doing that? but yeah, I’m definitely finding that really frustrating. However, I am not always obvtown on D1, so that’s a misconception but by D3/4, I will be good as IC. It almost never happens that town!me isn’t obvtown by then.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Hectic

I find that often sleeping on things tends to clarks things for me.

@Hectic, I really like you, think you’re really cool and have nothing but the highest respect for you but it was ironically one of the reasons that Auro tr Elsa that ultimately convinced me.

You seems really unhappy here, like you’re not really enjoying this game and I think it’s because you’re not town in this one.

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Hectic

I find that often sleeping on things tends to CLARIFIES things for me.

@Hectic, I really like you, think you’re really cool and have nothing but the highest respect for you but it was ironically one of the reasons that Auro tr Elsa that ultimately convinced me. (I still think his not being flashy reason fits better for town!Elsa however. )

You seems really unhappy here, like you’re not really enjoying this game and I think it’s because you’re not town in this one.

Uh autocorrect. Clarifies

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Oka, Auro just pointed out to me that my team would be trying to coach me if I was scum, so their lack of interest to paying attention to this game, makes way more sense if I’m town and I can definitely verify that. I was constantly asking Auro for help in CoC

2

, because unless a setup is mechanics heavy, I really don’t need any play advice. Iow, my team has plenty of faith in me to obvtown as town.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@NACL why aren't you voting? Too salty? (Sorry couldn't resist the pun.)

Is that a salt brand or something?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I am not a fan of Eddies proposed town block

Why not? Who aren’t you tr in it?

[Nancy Drew 39]

SS was getting no traction. I largely townread people on the wagon. I town read titus.

Oh nm, you already answered. I’m null on him rn because of his Hectic defence but it’s also possible he actually believes that it makes sense for Hectic not to care about his hood being outed. I just have real trouble believing that any player would actually be neutral unless they clearly did not understand the setup.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Na = sodium, Cl = chlorine, NaCl = sodium chloride = table salt.

Oh, that went completely over my head.

[Nancy Drew 39]

The way DDL is playing doesn't strike me as a way most people would play as scum, but it also isn't how I've seen him play as town in the past.

To anyone with meta, has he played ultra-passive and sheepy like this as scum before?

I only have meta with town!DDL but he was quite controlling in that scumgame of his I ISO’d and he had both RC and Ank locktowning him in that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Idk haven't been following the game closely and if anything I don't remember anything he has posted which is a bad sign

Hi, Nancy, are you related to Doctor Drew?

I'm V/LA until Monday in case you missed that; I was being serious when I said I've only read the first two pages.
I'll come and obvtown my slot real quick when I'm back so you don't need to worry.

Oh

whoops

, I just dropped my

stethoscope

, how clumsy of me! I guess I'll retreat into my

consulting room

, and consult my

Drew

.
(hint hint)

Here, I think that should be super helpful.

[Nancy Drew 39]

This isn't productive. I'm townreading most of the people spamposting here so I think it'd be protown to slow it down, I want to be able to figure out which of the DDLs and NaCls and Krazy Eddie Elsa Cane Jays are scum or town and if they're all having trouble catching up that's harder.

This setup would be great with neighbor rearrangements maybe if we asked Micc super nice.

Ok let's play anti wincon

Why are you complaining about our hood when you have made not one attempt to engage with me in it? Reads to me as disingenuous posturing.

Um . . . didn’t you just accuse Pops and me of being antitown for outing that we’re neighbours? He never outed you as his neighbour.

[Nancy Drew 39]

This isn't productive. I'm townreading most of the people spamposting here so I think it'd be protown to slow it down, I want to be able to figure out which of the DDLs and NaCls and Krazy Eddie Elsa Cane Jays are scum or town and if they're all having trouble catching up that's harder.

This setup would be great with neighbor rearrangements maybe if we asked Micc super nice.

Ok let's play anti wincon

Why are you complaining about our hood when you have made not one attempt to engage with me in it? Reads to me as disingenuous posturing.

VOTE: Eddie Cane

I was speechless and bewildered at first
But the best explanation for why he would criticize someone for making role-fishable jokeposts then later DIRECTLY OUT HIS HOOD
is cogdis from rolling scum.
I don't think the cogdis on the town version of this makes a tenth as much sense unless the scumteam already knows our hood.

The hood is empty because I think hoods are where scum pocket townies and they're mostly useless. I mentioned that when Oka said it, it's in the main thread. But, um, asking me about that in the hood instead of giving the mafia two rolecop shots at the doctor would have been better????

Yeah, that made absolutely no sense. I could definitely switch my vote there. Maybe it’s Hectic/Eddie?

[Nancy Drew 39]

This isn't productive. I'm townreading most of the people spamposting here so I think it'd be protown to slow it down, I want to be able to figure out which of the DDLs and NaCls and Krazy Eddie Elsa Cane Jays are scum or town and if they're all having trouble catching up that's harder.

This setup would be great with neighbor rearrangements maybe if we asked Micc super nice.

Ok let's play anti wincon

Why are you complaining about our hood when you have made not one attempt to engage with me in it? Reads to me as disingenuous posturing.

Um . . . didn’t you just accuse Pops and me of being antitown for outing that we’re neighbours? He never outed you as his neighbour.

Sure. Is that scummy?

Well it’s weird, considering you just criticized US for doing that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Town to scum or scum to town?

Labels, people, ffs

I want to say maybe once in my life I've seen a readlist listed scum to town, and it was clearly labeled as such.

Town is at the top. Town is always at the top.

Yeah, I think it was a pretty odd question, because it was pretty damned obvious to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy I'm going to address you when I'm home as part of my planned wall if I remember. Only interested in pops atm as I scum read her much more than you.

Considering you bragged about you having brilliant reads in GS, this isn’t exactly helping me to tr you but hey keep up the good work.

[Nancy Drew 39]

this is very good actually

i want

<elsa,nacl,ddl,bob,amrun> to take sides and comment on this

I would add S_S to that list particularly since he just posted. I expect most people to agree with me but I expect no one to be naturally opinionless

I'd add you to the list if I was scumreading you even a little bit but you can tactically hide your opinion I guess

I really hope I'm not overconfident from trying to mimic my town process when I bussed you before but I keep getting townpings from you

Well, now you understand why I literally had my eyes rolling out of my head at Oka’s Krazy paragon argument, because it’s so obvious to me how wrong he is on Oka.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy I'm going to address you when I'm home as part of my planned wall if I remember. Only interested in pops atm as I scum read her much more than you.

Considering you bragged about you having brilliant reads in GS, this isn’t exactly helping me to tr you but hey keep up the good work.

Reads 10% above rand is better than 90% of players I'd bet. So sure. But I also dont play forum mafia anymore, I play video only now. So I dunno if I still got it. I dont wanna ramble and get off topic tho haha.

Who are you and what have you done with Mbaki?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy yo do you still have krazy as lock town

Based both on what Auro said and my experience scum hydraing with him, pretty damn confident yeah. I <3 Krazy but I really don’t understand him getting a paragon nom. I’ve played with two kinds of town!Krazy - town!Krazy which is bleeding obvtown to practically everyone - Undertale and town!Krazy, where you are literally shaking your head post-game that he wasn’t scum. Coalition was one such game. Scum!Krazy tends to lurk, coast and hide a lot. He will not sound aggressive and opinionated and he definitely won’t be active. Being active, aggressive and opinionated are 3 major Krazy towntells.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy I'm going to address you when I'm home as part of my planned wall if I remember. Only interested in pops atm as I scum read her much more than you.

Considering you bragged about you having brilliant reads in GS, this isn’t exactly helping me to tr you but hey keep up the good work.

Reads 10% above rand is better than 90% of players I'd bet. So sure. But I also dont play forum mafia anymore, I play video only now. So I dunno if I still got it. I dont wanna ramble and get off topic tho haha.

Who are you and what have you done with Mbaki?

Ik I can come across as an asshole but most of what I post is trolling. I'm like black and white different when I play video. I'm actually super sad hitogoroshi team doesnt have a rep in this game, he recruited me to tm

You’re being so nice here. I’m still grateful to you for unvoting me in Necromancer btw. I was thisclose to being mislynched in that and in only two hours into that game, no less.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m legit shocked that no one’s teammates except I think for Skitter has given any opinions on me yet.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ask your teammates if they think you are being obvtown and why

I know I’m obvtown and you’re being a woat. Ask me questions like Eddie asked. I’m not wasting their time with idiotic questions.

So if you were to look back through the game. Where do you think you have been obvous towning .

Because I never play like this as scum. And DDL is apparently one of the few who is seeing that.

Can you give reasonign beyond a naturaly baised perspective. A reply that is immediately undermined by its own nature. As if you are scum could easily reply in the same way.

So what examples of your usual scum play do you think havent shown up. And what have you doen do you feel that you woudl do as town but not scum.


Also are you claiming that you should be taken as obvtown based on your meta and not your actual play. How do you think a player thats has never played with you would perceive you this game

A good player?

That’s right, if I were scum here (which I’m not) , my answer to this could well be the same but I have trouble having extremely nuanced reads as scum, which comes very easily to me as town. One of the reasons I’m null on Pine, is that Mastina should have townlocked me by now, which she obviously hasn’t based on Pine’s horrible read on me, which wouldn’t be remotely suspicious if Mastina wasn’t his teammate because he sr me in VG but she lockedtowned me in that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hi, Nancy, are you related to Doctor Drew?

I'm V/LA until Monday in case you missed that; I was being serious when I said I've only read the first two pages.
I'll come and obvtown my slot real quick when I'm back so you don't need to worry.

Oh

whoops

, I just dropped my

stethoscope

, how clumsy of me! I guess I'll retreat into my

consulting room

, and consult my

Drew

.
(hint hint)

I was obviously trying to keep my being in a hood a secret but scum can clearly obviously tell by my sudden unvote that I thought Hectic was doc. Now he continues to push this, maybe to sort me as he claims but I can also see the possibility that he’s also trying to out the PO as well.

Why do you feel teh need to out yourself being in a hood. Based on unvoting a player that had clearly could not be the doc. With him being outed as being in hood at teh start of the game. Clearly he could be doc who isnt in a hood. And why do you think scum would know your in hood by unvoting.


Also how do you think hectic is trying to out the PO

It was obvious after I immediately unvoted Hectic. Yeah, I obviously realized that immediately after unvoting him. No offense but seriously, are you freaking kidding me here?

Read my entire conversation with Hectic.

[Nancy Drew 39]

this is very good actually

i want

<elsa,nacl,ddl,bob,amrun> to take sides and comment on this

Pops is still scum, Eddie is even more town.

What about Bob?

Spoiler:

Trivia points to anyone who gets this.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Town to scum or scum to town?

Labels, people, ffs

I want to say maybe once in my life I've seen a readlist listed scum to town, and it was clearly labeled as such.

Town is at the top. Town is always at the top.

I’ve seen it scum on top more than once, but I thought it was Town -> Scum

In that case...what the

fuck

are you smoking? Your list is upside down my dude.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Calling it now, Pine is either on crack or scum, depending on Mastina read.

[Nancy Drew 39]

My concern is I obviously don’t tr Hectic but I’m really starting to understand both Skitter’s and Krazy’s suspicions on Pine but then Krazy is dead wrong on Oka, so eh?

He is clearly confibiasing me and not doing anything to sort me. There is no way in hell, I should be Pine’s #1 sr, especially with Mastina on his team.

[Nancy Drew 39]

My concern is I obviously don’t tr Hectic but I’m really starting to understand both Skitter’s and Krazy’s suspicions on Pine but then Krazy is dead wrong on Oka, so eh?

He is clearly confibiasing me and not doing anything to sort me. There is no way in hell, I should be Pine’s #1 sr, especially with Mastina on his team.

No way in hell is Mastina ever sr me here if Pine is town, no freaking way.