Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[teacher]

yo

VOTE: teacher

@implosion i am regularly vla on fridays and saturdays

I just want to be friends with this vote so much.

[teacher]

VOTE: teacher policy.

Why is this a policy vote?

I had duck for Xmas.

[teacher]

yo

VOTE: teacher

@implosion i am regularly vla on fridays and saturdays

I just want to be friends with this vote so much.

heya teacher <3

Figured Id at least give you cover to say I was buddying you this time.

[teacher]

rc are you going to be communicating through those for long, because it's going to get annoying really quickly

Disagree. I kinda like this RC.

[teacher]

Chrome is the way to go you two. Shrinks to totally manageable and amusing.

I also kinda jam with this open game rn. The break was a good break.

[teacher]

Less words, more pics pls.

[teacher]

Where’d the duck go?

[teacher]

Yea. I have thought son the other things, but want to reread that on a desktop as I get more familiar with Tris and Plum whom I don’t really k ow. So that was the squirrel that ran cross my mind as an interesting pop in and disappear but.

[teacher]

^@RC fwiw.

[teacher]

am i trim?

Are you my wife?

(Sorry for garcia’ing or whatedcer the hip kids call it these days, just couldn’t resist the pun)

[teacher]

Asking for preflip association hunting when >33% of the list hasn’t posted is ridiculous , and that you’re doubling down on it is kinda amazing tbh.

[teacher]

this game needs more memes

this was supposed to be the meme game

Spoiler: massive image

[teacher]

Can I unilaterally impose geriatric rules? This game doubled in size since I went to sleep. Time to ketchup.

[teacher]

Where’d the duck go?

working a lot & getting ready to move house atm :/ this is my ~second priority behind like volunteering positions onsite so... you will get as much of me as i can give

Pls tell me this is not fire related. Ive been thinking of you actually. Congrats on the GTKAS, you might even get me to do it.

[teacher]

why is teacher town

If I meld with Teacher early it's a good indication we share alignment. If I had a fake profile it would be named Teacher. Will explain when the read is stronger/ I test him.

where did you meld with teacher?

On the RC read and I'm making a leap on the reasoning being the same but the timing suggests so. But it's worth asking.

Teacher what made you townread RC initially?

I wasnt intended that to be a read (though I do lean that way). I intended it to be more of a personality comment. I agree with the low key thing he said in the last couple of pages and I find that more enjoyable to play with than his domineering-without-explaining style. I get it works for him, but it turns me off, and I wasnt seeing it here (though there was a point in the Math 1v1 where it was at risk of slipping into that).

RC's posting at the time I made the like him comment was memey and amusing me, and I wanted to give credit for a player I have had sometimes reacted to. I also felt like he wasnt trying to be a more typical persona for him. But my confidence levels in reading RC are not high regardless.

[teacher]

why is teacher town

If I meld with Teacher early it's a good indication we share alignment. If I had a fake profile it would be named Teacher. Will explain when the read is stronger/ I test him.

where did you meld with teacher?

On the RC read and I'm making a leap on the reasoning being the same but the timing suggests so. But it's worth asking.

Teacher what made you townread RC initially?

teacher had a read?

credit given.

[teacher]

I have another scumread shared with a teammate in teacher, which I'm holding for the moment in case the lack of desktop access was changing stuff there.

I have evolved to a different playstyle since I became a mostly mobile player, but I am a mostly mobile player so I dont think its going to be changing stuff. Im a slow burn generally.

[teacher]

Going “omg I am being voted” is antitown.

no I don't think responding to/commenting on your strongest scumread moving their vote to you is "antitown" but depending on what you say it could look *scummy*, sure

PEDIT: Okay hm

UNVOTE:

I'm confused by the unvote

Actually kinda like the reasoning for plum's unvote
UNVOTE:

Dont particularly like tw's entrance tho.

What reasoning did you ascribe to it/deduce between these two posts?

I wasnt crazy about tw's re-entry, but think he did better stuff after. In terms of entrances, why comment on this one and not Bella (which is <xtomx, which in turn is <tw's, at least to me)?

[teacher]

I won’t be around more this weekend (family timez) and I disagree that I haven’t done anything AI yet.

While I normally expect you not to read me that well, I don’t like how you just keep repeating the same thing. It’s like you’re sitting back to see if I can be a consensus but don’t want to take the lead because I’ve already done two things you’ve called out as town indicative for me in the past.

[teacher]

VOTE: skitter

[teacher]

1. Post count by your previous logic
2. Pushing back on RCE’s gratuitous TL of me.
3. Raising matters of interest in my own time and not being driven off how I approach the game for the sake of appeasing the others who’ve voiced the same view as you. They don’t know better, you do, and it gives me the vibes of blendy laziness with a side of leaving me open.

[teacher]

Re 2 - I meant

me

pushing back and kinda rejecting its reasoning.

Re the rest - whatevs. I’m just not liking you so far, not just on me but that’s obviously what has stuck out since you repeated almost the same exact wording three or four different times in a way that seemed gratuitous.

Pedit: (Rejecting ppl townreading me)

[teacher]

eh, Skit, on reread now that Im on a computer and control-f'ing, you didnt repeat yourself as much as I had thought.
UNVOTE:

[teacher]

You do you. I was wrong and owned it. Dunno what else you want. It felt like more than it was.

[teacher]

Yoink.

[teacher]

Still don't feel teacher has done much AI and ngl I don't see why he unvoted skitter

Because I misread her on me. But Im not feeling good about her generally.

I kinda also want Ari to share their read on me. I didnt like what he did with Math, and one of my teammates also has scum pings from that.

Plums a bit of a posting non-entity to me. Like they are posting, and jiving, but nothing's sticking to the me or the gamestate.

Feeling good about Ico and RCE (and hating the confusion with RCE and RC being in the same game). Also a lean on duck.

Blah on Bella's catchup. But Im back to xtomx's pop-in and disappearance being more of an issue nonetheless.

[teacher]

I think it’s more that half the pl is vLa weekend.

[teacher]

You did. And that ketchup was left out of the fridge too long but felt genuine. Both my recent games have had s v s theater early but this did not feel like those (which felt similar) so that’s good I suppose.

[teacher]

You do you. I was wrong and owned it. Dunno what else you want. It felt like more than it was.

i want to circle-back to how/why you were expecting me to be able to read you (i.e. on postcount) by that point

I’ll circle back with you. I feel like I’m being freer here (yea, as plum(?) notes one liners and jokes) than I am when I’m scum, where even if I’m forcing content I’m forcing it to be contentful. Like the last time we talked I think I was a pure sortable by post count player. I don’t think that’s true any more, since I became aware of it, but after my last roll and reread, I still think the weight is different. It’s something I had made a note of, and so figured it would be something your meta mind might note as well. (Of course, bow that I’ve indicated awareness, and yoda yada).

Bottom line, I think we’re just still stuck at you not really reading me. Independent of our interactions, I still don’t “like” you that much this game, but I need to reread the RC 1v1 again to check myself. One of my teammates feels you for town in a way I don’t yet.

[teacher]

i'm p sure it was a serious vote but it doesn't really make sense with his teacher read, i think

I thought it was serious too, but what does his read of me play into it. Like ya I was voting you, but I think his read of me was -?null- so why/how should the fact that someone who is rand! affect his scumread at all?

[teacher]

even saying that he feels more like ~washed-out~ than the last few times i've played with town!him

The snip above is about tw. He actually feels quite similar to me from the normal I played with you back in oct/nov, right before I took my break. What’s different for you?

[teacher]

Hi @the worst, come chat to me more

For some reason the wording of this particular snip rubbed me the wrong way hard, from someone who has t posted that much compared to the person they’re addressing. Plus the entry etc.

VOTE: Bella

[teacher]

I thought there was an answer to Icos quoted question. Will go try to five if.

[teacher]

343 etc were the posts I felt bad about 'theory crafting' from Enigma earlier. Posts like 359 are making me wonder if this is just my personality disliking the self aware/removed tone.
Still not seeing the ari scum-read. Even if I was, votes here are bad.

Here’s the answer, in a spoiler.

[teacher]

Yoink

[teacher]

I crashed out and there are 15 pages. I’ll try to catch up in free periods but don’t have extended time til tonight/+13

[teacher]

I think I’d rather Xtomx to Flopz of those two. I also don’t like how the Bella wagon kinda stalled and dissipated without sig analysis. I’d love to bear a Bella towncase or reasons to get off that current vanity.

I also tend to think the game has been mostly town in thread. I don’t get RC’s repeated suspicions of RCE in the quick ketchup, I’m pretty good on both being town, but found the notes interchange interesting if Townie for both.

Skitter remains the slot I’m most unsure of. I liked the genuine emotion in the RC 1v1, but I feel like she’s good enough to know that might be needed. The thing I’m having the hardest time pasrsing is the specific timing of her vote relative to the claim - like RC isn’t being lynched day 1 after that claim, so it seems like it could be LAMIST theater?

[teacher]

That’s a fair take RC, and the hypothetical situation is indeed possible. Indeed, that’s exactly what I was doing - I find the ease of the wagon on flopz distasteful, and it was the ease of it which made me prefer xtomx - to see if it’s a generic low-post wagon that can be shifted, or if there is motivation to this particular target. I normally dislike lynching the first serious wagon of the day, so wanted to see how a push off it would affect the board.

Skitter is not today’s lynch, so that wasn’t a counter proposal. I doubt Bella goes through, even if I want it to - that was a genuine request for your reasons to town the slot. And I do prefer xtomx to flopz, so am pushing that, but primarily because of the lack of opposition to Flopz or other redirect attempts.

Pedit: that’s a ton of posts since I started this, which was right after RC said xtomx won’t play while RC is alive (no idea of post number)

[teacher]

but found the notes interchange interesting if Townie for both.

In what way?

I liked RC’s reasoning and your willingness to self-contradict unnecessarily smells town too.

[teacher]

who on your team thinks i'm town?

OFrhz, but on a limited skim. Volpe is less so, but still had some pings that way.

[teacher]

is there an auto-vc skimmer or bot that scrapes threads here?

[teacher]

no one is treating me with the slightest respect or consideration when I'm not in dictator mode

Ummm... I think a number of people have praised you for your current mode? I know I have. Maybe you feel like you should get be getting more, but I think this is actually making the game more readable (in all senses) than other possibilities.

[teacher]

VOTE: xtomx

[teacher]

remember shadowing a while back? I just thought of that for some reason.

[teacher]

remember shadowing a while back? I just thought of that for some reason.

please do elaborate, im intrigued

It was supposed to be a directed comment to RCE, but I forgot to tag and now I’m not really sure of why I remembered it so ??? Too much snow day/sleep deprivation I think.

[teacher]

VOTE: ari

That’s L-2 I believe.

[teacher]

@skit I’ll be around later tonight if you want to chat about anything. I get it, but tbh just don’t care to be in this lobby much this week. I feel like I’ve gotten what I’m going to get and am fine w the flip. If that doesn’t make sense to you, not sure I can add much but happy to try.

[teacher]

No hammering without claim or deadline pressure. There’s no reason for it.

[teacher]

Im like 25 pages back and going to catch-up. Hope y’all had good weekends.

[teacher]

I did - traveled w the kids to their maternal great grandmother.

Of those two I’m more comfortable with RC, but want to know his evolution on me - when I left I was in his scum pool after having been an early townread, withouf much discussion of the difference, though I suppose it was because of his flop on ari?

[teacher]

Also I agree on math and RCE being town.

[teacher]

As town.

[teacher]

Can’t fault you. I took RC’s and maths trs to mean I was essentially out of the pool and I really didn’t like the thread so I’ve just been staying out of it. I feel like I’ve found a good towncore (id sheep RCE hard rn and feel good about several players). Beyond that, I just need flips to start solving and was ok with most of the potential targets that have been wagonned.

Pedit-this is @skitter like 6 posts ago.

[teacher]

I would kinda love an explanation of why Bella isn’t getting attention as I keep reading. Like it’s emptier than Paris Hilton’s head.

[teacher]

That’s fair. I haven’t made it through that far yet.

But that’s my best pick in the [flopz/ari/plum/Bella/xtomx] pool I’ve got as my general preferred pool.

Pedit@skit 5 posts ago.

[teacher]

I haven’t even read round one but can both of you put down the keyboards?

[teacher]

That’s fair. I haven’t made it through that far yet.

But that’s my best pick in the [flopz/ari/plum/Bella/xtomx] pool I’ve got as my general preferred pool.

Pedit@skit 5 posts ago.

Bella read is contentious. My entire team that is reading the game agrees on Ari. With the noise from RC/TW and the fact it happened after I worked with Raybells meant exploring other wagons would get drowned out.

On Ari how? (Maybe in the 20 pages I’m about to read, if so sorry)

I think trying to get something more out of that pool today would be more productive than continued threadswamoing.

[teacher]

snip

This is my first time pure vibing you like I am used to.

[teacher]

nah, I don’t think I’ve talked about you since your 1v1 with RC which I gave town points, with caveats, and volpe gave more. I’m used to feeling about you the way I do about RCE - just a mindset-level agreement. I didn’t have that here early but I can feel where you are coming from now (I think knowing you had blacklisted RC helped).

@2646

[teacher]

You know full well that no matter what I do I am still a viable mislynch because people act like angry guinea pigs when my name is on the playerlist.

This game has had: RC v math
RC v. Skit
RC v. Duck (rounds 1-??)

But yea it’s totally other people who are at fault.

[teacher]

VOTE: ari

Finally. May cooler heads prevail tomorrow.

[teacher]

Yup I was.

[teacher]

Look I’d rather not lynch either of you today, and you’ve made your positions sufficiently clear that I doubt anyone needs or wants more posts spelling it out.

[teacher]

VOTE: RC



L-3

Duck tomorrow.

You could just vote Ari.

Doesn’t have the same petulance tho

[teacher]

Yoinks?

[teacher]

I posted a readslist already in case I was the lynch, did I not?

Yea. Not that convincing to me. In part bc you left duck off it.

[teacher]

I guess I missed that when I iso Ed you. Even checked myself an everything. (I didn’t make a big deal out of it because it was fairly clear where you stood, but it had stuck to me.). My B

[teacher]

math, I’d rather Ari though I get the desire for the day to end.

Can you or skit talk to me about RC’s new position that tw and ari are both scum // respond to 2647 and 2757?

[teacher]

I agreee. I was trying to push the lynch back to ari because I don’t see a team with duck without ari, but I can see town!duck for the reasons he gives in those posts (ie why bait the bear?)

[teacher]

No. And I’d rather not finish it tonight. I’d love to see Ico respond to the events too.

[teacher]

Lynch the fucking duckling who is CONFSCUM or vote me.

But didn’t you just say you didn’t see a duck team without Ari? Doesn’t that make ari CONfSCUM too??

[teacher]

Based on a skim since page 111 nobody has voted, so duck is L-2? If that’s right consider this me putting intent to L-1 after Ico gets in and reacts.

[teacher]

math, I’d rather Ari though I get the desire for the day to end.

Can you or skit talk to me about RC’s new position that tw and ari are both scum // respond to 2647 and 2757?

I’d also like skit to react to this if she sees it before then too.

[teacher]

Nah m8 you flip town it’s power RC time. Maybe I’ll catch heat D3. Let me look at your readslist a bit.

[teacher]

I agree on Ico blade RCE and skit. I don’t see what you’re seeing w Bella but others do so I’m willing to give that time. I think Ari has a ton of RC associatives you are weirdly discounting in that read. I’d love for you to split the hairs in the plum/tris//flopz pool because I think there’s one scum there but don’t have hairs to split myself.

[teacher]

Somehow my phone deleted xtomx from that “pool”.

[teacher]

Teacher I feel like you're trying to divert the wagon to Ari while being as subtle as possible about that being your intent

RC, I don’t think 2825 is “subtle as possible”. It openly says “I’d rather Ari” to TW. In case that wasn’t obvious:

[suze=150]

I would rather lynch Ari than TW

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I’m just compromising because I don’t have the kind of influence I would need to push that through.

[teacher]

via casing RC/Ari

Since when is saying you have associatives with Ari once casing?

Do you disagree you have associatives with Ari? If not, what the fuck are you on about?

[teacher]

I’d rather not lynch either of you today,

I’d rather Ari

I was trying to push the lynch back to ari

Yea, this is definitely not subtle. You trying to paint it that way is.....disturbing, actually.

[teacher]

The ones you were responding to in real time quoted 2925, where I openly said “I’d rather Ari,” so still don’t see the supposed subtlety.

[teacher]

Yea, it’s a wording/tone issue more than a substance issue. Like I get what you’re saying and am aware I am defending duc- I have reservations about his lynch even if I prefer it to yours. It’s just that I think you overstated it in a weird way - “casing” when I had one offhand sentence responding to tw’s read (not as an affirmative point) and “as subtlety as possible” when I don’t think I’ve been subtle at all.

[teacher]

Nah. It’s consistent with your character. I just didn’t want to let them stand without responding/rebutting. I’m good and remain where I was before - preferring Ari, interested in getting ICo and skitters responses to my questions, but willing to compromise.

[teacher]

RC, humor me. If worst!town, whos scum on the wagon? If worst!scum, same q?

[teacher]

You may, but kindly after RC.

[teacher]

i left on smt like page 83 ish lol

these 40 pages better be worth it

As someone who slogged most of them today, they aren’t.

[teacher]

I don’t really have questions so much as just want to see/hear more of you before the day ends. I have you as gut town but want to strengthen the read. The specific question was for skitter.

[teacher]

Thx RC. I appreciate you answering. Duck if you want to, go ahead, but I think your position is plain.

@Ico, yea I just wanted more of you, not a specific question - didn’t want to end phase in your vLa.

[teacher]

Duck claimed vt.

[teacher]

math, I’d rather Ari though I get the desire for the day to end.

Can you or skit talk to me about RC’s new position that tw and ari are both scum // respond to 2647 and 2757?

I’d also like skit to react to this if she sees it before then too.

@skit can you hit this up and then I’ll hammer this evening? Thx.

[teacher]

intent - 4hrs.

Speak or hold it.

[teacher]

intent - 4hrs.

Speak or hold it.

Intent for 10 minutes before Teachers Intent.

Is this asking me to hammer, being silly, or? I just figured giving some space for EoD things was good since we don’t have deadline pressure.

[teacher]

VOTE: tw

Quack

[teacher]

hink that there's a reasonably high probability that scum simply elected not to kill to make sure I couldn't get a guilty before I was lynched today.

Out for date night but LOL possibility v probability on this one.

[teacher]

"Objectively didn't suck"
...

VOTE: tw

Quack

How exactly did this save his iso? XD

I mean you agree there’s a shit ton more to my iso on why I voted duck right? Why are you playing dumb?

[teacher]

Somehow missed a bunch of posts after that but before mine sorry.

[teacher]

Actually not a bunch, but Bella’s making the same point.

@RC since you’re around I actually want to ask you whether you were serious when you think it’s more probable that scum put themselves on evens than we have a semi protective? Because if I were scum, I’d absolutely kill last night - even with your skill, you’d have to hit the “right”scum and there’s like no controlling for that, so it’s like Max 20% risk of a kill even accounting for superhero RC (which ducks flip shows isn’t the case, but that’s a postgame topic). Honestly that comment just felt wrong, and more striving for wifom than anything else you’ve done.

[teacher]

it is a massive and unnecessary gamble to take if you're assuming I get lynched the next day if you holster

A. Whether or not they holster doesn’t change (sig) the odds of you getting lynched today.

B. You’ve claimed full detective. The odds of their being a full protective are slim with that, so why not just go to odds by taking you out (no gamble at all, and it’s not like your reads were right).

C. LOL @ you having at least a +15% chance of hitting the right scum. You didn’t even hit scum at all.

I actually was townreading you yesterday too but that open sharply reduces it actually.

Pedit - will actually read the six posts since I started this after.

[teacher]

i think i'm the nk most times last night

You or math or RCE. Def in that 3 pool. Not sure the claim would affect it tbh.

[teacher]

i think i'm the nk most times last night

You or math or RCE. Def in that 3 pool. Not sure the claim would affect it tbh.

Dammit my phone isn’t updating. This was the most recent post I had. My b.

[teacher]

I’m fine with an ari/RC alternative. My plan for the day was to push plum to get more investment then try to wheel it back onto one of them anyways.

I don’t like the shade from Ari. I thought my eod was pretty obviously town, or as much so as I get. Duck, blade and RC - heck even Bella - seemed to agree. So aris opening posting with that and lack of depth continued the inadequacy I felt there yesterday, even if at times it felt like it was going to be too easy to lynch.

[teacher]

It’s an aside at this point and I don’t want to derail the main but math at some point can you say why the evolution on me.

[teacher]

I’m really liking the discussion, especially of the slots we need more content from: tris, plum, Ari (posts =! Content)

This is your reminder that nobody has mentioned xtomx since start of D2.

@skit - what’s your take on me?

@Ico - you quoted ari on me, but not Bella or my reactions. Thoughts on that?

[teacher]

implo:

v/la to 24th

Great way to take the first two day phases off. Honestly please give board reads before you go.

[teacher]

RCE you mentioned wanting to test me but haven’t really done so I think. Why?

[teacher]

Again, not something that actually matters to me, but would help me understand your thought process- @RC, why’d I leave tier 2?

[teacher]

Yea. I have thought son the other things, but want to reread that on a desktop as I get more familiar with Tris and Plum whom I don’t really k ow. So that was the squirrel that ran cross my mind as an interesting pop in and disappear but.

I’m really liking the discussion, especially of the slots we need more content from: tris, plum, Ari (posts =! Content)

This is your reminder that nobody has mentioned xtomx since start of D2.

@skit - what’s your take on me?

@Ico - you quoted ari on me, but not Bella or my reactions. Thoughts on that?

Of 4 mentions of Tris in Teacher's iSO, 3 are accompanied by Plum. I'm not exactly sure what that means but it probably means something.

It means that I think they are both relatively bland slots who have tried to avoid attention and haven’t really differentiated themselves to me. Other people keep making distinctions. I don’t. I’d happily pressure or lynch either.

[teacher]

@RC can we try to find a happy medium? Like not toxic but not totally defeatist? Yea, you might be the lynch. But let us get real votes from it Nd who is pushing it if you’re town?

[teacher]

@RC did you ever answer the question of whether you still think there’s a vig?

[teacher]

But you can still try to advance town as you go down, rather than pretending that there is nothing to be gotten out of dayplay, regardless of the ultimate lynch.

I’m not going to comment on the tw-you cluster until after game, but I’ll leave a marker that I disagree with your interpretation of his statements.

[teacher]

@RC did you ever answer the question of whether you still think there’s a vig?

This is a pointless question

I thought it would be a reasonably possible thing in TM to give town a vig to antisynergize with me

I never thought it was true

Skitter I want to move on and if the game is going to scumread me forever the game has to move on; why do you call me confscum then act like me trying to resolve the issue is an unhelpful thing

It’s not with a no kill, as it makes the presence of a vig (and hence your claim) a little less plausible.

[teacher]

Your reads are truly awesome.

[teacher]

You just read me as scum. Who’s shutting you down now? IMO you manufacture narratives after the fact that suit you ego. Like hell yes you’re a great player. But not perfect as you sell - as with the “subtle” inter player earlier, you overstate. Now I have no interest in a return to yesterday’s fun, so I won’t go back and forth on this. I’m just stating, as best I can, that there’s a more helpful way to be approaching this day.

[teacher]

I can’t sleep and was thinking about RC’s claim.

@RC If we have a vig why isn’t anyone dead? You claimed detective and based off this theorized a vig.

Any ideas why Ari or you aren’t dead?

tbf i think that this is an unfair line of questioning

Why? It’s something that at least has some bearing on the plausibility of the claim, and RC is a world builder who thinks through these things (as shown by the original vig hypothesis), so why not get the benefit of his thoughts on the world we are in?

[teacher]

By the way, I believe one of our more vacant slots is likely to be replaced - @rc, yet another reason not to speed through the day.

[teacher]

given that xtom is vLa for the rest of the phase and plums slot is pending, can we pause deadline?

[teacher]

also vLa til Tuesday - holiday travel.

[teacher]

VOTE: ari

Trying to portray yourself as active in this game - and more so than me - is kindly just all the way off. “Active poster” ari my ass.

[teacher]

RCE you mentioned wanting to test me but haven’t really done so I think. Why?

[teacher]

Skit I’m traveling and vLa but reading up. Happy to discuss anything. My vote was ari because I am pretty confident on my reads of math and RCE, and I’m slight town on RC though my team (ofrhz) wants that lynch.

I’d like to see things out o shos/saudade now that those slots have replaced, or xtomx since they’ve taken the game basically off. I’m disappointed that in 160 pages I don’t really have more/strong scum elands, it can’t really do anything about that. At least I feel my towns well and can work with them, even if I think there is probably a wolf in that pack too.

I feel like I’m currently the designated lylo lynch and don’t like that much, since it results in a loss, but also don’t really know how to change much since I don’t think much has changed.

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No vorks def scum. But just have to find their partners.

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Saudade, is there really no game relevant commentary in you team thread?

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Saudade, is there really no game relevant commentary in you team thread?

can i have link to my team thread

Talk to mod team.

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are you on my team teacher

Yea, you should also have a link to the scum or with me and Vork.

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Skit - anything to 3977? I feel like yours is a pressure vote and I’m being told to dance, but I don’t know the tune.

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-on you, I believe there is a deep wolf (or two) in this game. I don’t think it’s math. I think there’s about equal chance of RC/RCE, which is why I’ve got the pending question to RCE. I think you could *possibly* be scum with RC, but are unlikely to be by yourself. In other words, I townread you, but with paranoia (less paranoia than on RC).

-math has been hard pushing Ari. RCE is pushing RC, but calling ari openwolf. That’s two of my townreads calling out a slot that has been difficult to lynch and that I don’t see putting out content.

- on stronger scumreads, I’m not the type to fake it. I feel good about my towns, but there are way too many slots just being allowed to skate by. If we get content out of shos/saudade/xtomx and Bella, I will start feeling stronger.

- because everyone’s blah on me but I’m being enough of a presbence to be discussed, but not really considered (yet)

Pedit: began this when skits post I am responding to was the most recent thing.

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his reads are evolving

Show work please (ari himself called them stagnant???)

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are you on my team teacher

Yea, you should also have a link to the scum or with me and Vork.

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I was just having fun. “Or” should be “one” but fat fingers little screen....

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Actually phone autocorrects pt to or.

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@rc I agree with the townblock, especially the inclusion of Ico. Flopz I’m weaker on, but including due to the ease of wagon and response. I’d like more out of that slot. But if we can get all those players onto a single wagon today I think it will be good.

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who do you think is most liekly scum in that group and why?

Kinda want to talk with RCE if he picked up my directed message in this thread before answering this, to see if he agrees with my creeping suspicion about the role of one of them. It’s the one I think is either tor or scum, and it’s the former is the only reason I haven’t pushed that slot independently before.

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Uhm most normals this size have three scum RC?

I am not following your reads and how only two players are in scum pool?

I think I’m the third, with a side of ari.

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Dammit, RCE is probably town. I took a step back and dialed my OMGUS back, as well as actually reading his posts, and they're actually pretty towny and I see effort in solving the game present.

Time to rethink some things. I honestly didn't expect this, and it became evident a lot earlier in his ISO than I ever would have thought.

@teacher wrt ari's reads
he had been scumreading him just before

Ty. I did see this but again it seemed to be moving with the board (following RCs voice iirc) rather than independent evolution, despite being worded that way.

And yes, I do have an independent scum read of ari. And I think his flip doesn’t say much about RC.

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and that's what i'm saying wrt shos/saudade/xtoxm/bella/almost you, that if we cocnentrate on ari/rc/me/math/whatever we're never going to get content out of them, i think that pressuring the lurkers is a much more productive use of our time than deathtunneling ari or me deathtunneling rc

That’s the thing, I feel like I’ve been saying EXACTLY this since D1, but it hasn’t happened. I know I have neither the investment nor influence to make it happen, but I’d really love to make a “no discussing RC” rule for two days and see what happens in thread. It’s why, as RC pointed out, tris/plum appear together throughout my iso - me saying I need more from those slots. It’s why I tried to redirect the wagon. It’s why I began the day with a reminder that nobody was talking about xtomx. I feel like several things you have said today, I said first, and yet your nully-scum on me, for reasons I don’t quite get.

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@rc I agree with the townblock, especially the inclusion of Ico. Flopz I’m weaker on, but including due to the ease of wagon and response. I’d like more out of that slot. But if we can get all those players onto a single wagon today I think it will be good.

I don’t agree with Skitter or RCE one of them is prob scum leaning Skitter.

I also agree with you (not on who, but on the presence of a deep wolf) but still would like that block to function together.

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more productive use of our time than deathtunneling ari

ok, why is ari scum ?

?????

I don’t have new things to add, which is why I hadn’t added them. If you’d like a recap, I can make one, but I don’t think it’s that productive.

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@rc I agree with the townblock, especially the inclusion of Ico. Flopz I’m weaker on, but including due to the ease of wagon and response. I’d like more out of that slot. But if we can get all those players onto a single wagon today I think it will be good.

I don’t agree with Skitter or RCE one of them is prob scum leaning Skitter.

I also agree with you (not on who, but on the presence of a deep wolf) but still would like that block to function together.

Who are you considering possible deep suspects?

RC/Skit primarily, slightly RCE but that will be resolved I hope by the question and message I have pending to him.

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You and ICo are town and will never be voted by me.

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i don't know why i should be townreading here, and i find that alarming.
like if i'm wrong ... can you help me see that

I don’t think so? Like I’m playing my totally normal game, which holds up fairly well against any of my other games that I’ve played with you, and I normally fall into the boards null-blah pile but I feel meta-you should see it? I’m not really sure what to say to this - perhaps I shouldn’t be surprised you aren’t townreading me since you never really have before (I think I even collected the links in our most recent discussion like this), but I also don’t really know how to make you see the nose in front of your face, so.....

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b) i was obviously referring to the worst-case scenario wherein we lynch town today, in which massclaim has to happen tomorrow

No? It’s presumably 9-3. Tomorrow is 7-3 (worst case). Massclaim then??? No.

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You townread her though, right?

If to me, on skit, yes with a block of paranoia where I could see the two of you together. Like your 1v1 was town indicative, but I don’t see why she’d say she blacklisted you or vote you except for the theatrics of it, so I have paranoia there, but I do townread her.

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like can you articulate the reasons you're voting your strongest push, or are you just sheeping people

It was to see what would happen with a vote and more momentum. It’s a scumread I have. It’s not my strongest. It’s not just sheeping, but I thought it could add something to what had been a blah day

I will type up my thoughts on ari, but that will require a desktop and tabs not mobile. What I can say as of right now is that I haven’t seen any unique content or thought process, but more posturing. (The RCE is bit is a good example, it postures at iso-reading, but doesn’t actually give any evidence of having done so and in both instances - raising the read and discarding it - seems to follow the flow of discussion). Basically I developed a scumread about mid-day one and haven’t seen anything to move me off it.

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i feel like i usually have a stronger sense for town!you by now
liek i def did in the c9++ game

Iummm, no?

You called me scum that game?

All game?

That’s the game where I linked how many times you misread me before?

Just no.

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Well there goes that productive thread atmosphere. I’m off to bed. Maths not being lynched today.

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repping into this wild game is gonna be fun

Spoiler:

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and again his drop of the rce read predated rc's

Thanks for repeating this. I missed it in the first go round. I’ll check that out when doing the hw. Fair warning it’s likely Monday night due to the travels.

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i feel like i usually have a stronger sense for town!you by now
liek i def did in the c9++ game

Iummm, no?

You called me scum that game?

All game?

That’s the game where I linked how many times you misread me before?

Just no.

it's possible that i'm conflating differnet games (i've played a lot and a few are starting to run together in my head at this point)
or maybe i'm thinking of later in the game (i.e. a later part of the gamestate than where we are here, comparitively)

you might be right tho, let me take a look (tomorrow (irl)) and it's possible that i'm just very badly misremembering because the picutre i have in my head of you is 'easy to read-ish around day2 by postcount, secondarily by contributions'

I fake claimed dr because you were on my wagon D1 (I think) You saw the real dr crumb and so never lost the scumread of me even when menalque (as scum) tried to help us. I tried to tell you I was fakeclaiming by repeatedly linking back to Shoshin in 2080 - who had fake claimed - but you never picked up on it.

Thinking back, 2080 you had me ok. That’s the one time I think you had me ok, but overall you don’t read me that well.

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It’s RC’s actions that prompted me to think RC+Skitter. Namely RC got toxic anytime Skitter scum was mentioned. So by having Skitter post and if she seems townie then it’s a matter of finding what scum!RC would gain or what town!RC gains by doing so.

i also think that this is an egregious misrep but ok

FWIW, I found the timing of RC’s flip interesting in correlation with you. Not saying causation, but did give me pause.

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{RC RCE Skitter30 Flopz Aristophanes}
{Bellaphant}
{Teacher}
{Xtoxm}
{Mathblade, Ico, Saudade, Shos}

FWIW, I found the timing of RC’s flip interesting in correlation with you. Not saying causation, but did give me pause.

Do you think that maybe the sheer insanity of the reasons that math gave for scumreading Skitter might be part of that?

Sure it’s one possible explanation. But it’s not insane. It’s bad, but not insane. Scum!skit never makes the skip math accused them of, but I think it can be a legit thought I. A way you aren’t crediting.

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RC walk me through the flip on Ico now, and how ari made it out of your hard null pile from like 24 hours ago?

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This game literally is the least pleasant mafia experience I have had in my life.

FWIW, it’s second for me, to a game I modded with your alt, so ..... I think the feeling is common but comments like these set the malaise in more.

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This game literally is the least pleasant mafia experience I have had in my life.

FWIW, it’s second for me, to a game I modded with your alt, so ..... I think the feeling is common but comments like these set the malaise in more.

yeah i actively try to pretend that one didn't happen, sorry :/

?????

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wait i think we're talking about two different games maybe ...

Yea. I was discussing newb 1940. You?

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Can anyone non-meta towncase ari? That would, if I find it plausible, increase my willingness to vote shos like 10,000 percent. I heard skitter on meta:responsiveness, but that does just about nothing for me since I don’t have my own meta knowledge and neither the time nor inclination to do it myself.

I’m pretty sure on what one side of the current divide is saying happened last night, and it makes more sense as an explanation for their conduct today than does a scum sitting on their kill. I also independently townread that and side harder than the ones pushing the shos slot. So that’s my Hang up/hesitancy.

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@RCE by the way, thanks for calling out your answer to the test question. Two follow ups:

1. What is your read on me without testing?
2. Did you pick up on the crumb I called out to you earlier (mid day 1 ish, can find tomorrow if needed), and do you agree if you did?

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Yea, and if you accept that they tried to kill, it explains certain conduct that others have been questioning. At this point, I genuinely believe math to have been the target.

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I started to type out my take on the past day or so but realized you might not want me to pollute the waters. You want me to provide my take on it or you want to let it wait for him?

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Question was for skit. I’ll defer to her.

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No, picking up on it was kinda irrel. It was about volxens role there and the possibility it’s in here. But I finally researched the normal rules and it’s not allowed. So my b.

That kinda makes me a lot more interested in xtomx than I have been recently.

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I think it makes sense from Maths point of view.

I think the push on you was semi-serious, but also to break the rut that the day had turned in by injecting a new push and seeing what happened. What happened , again fhpov, is a hard chainsaw from RC. So it went from a “New/different” push to a serious push.

Like RC started the day kinda pushing you (this is what led ofrhz to want his lynch, saying he was getting rid of players known to be good in the late game). Then, when math makes the same push, RC turns the thread into fun times again.

Like, at a surface level, you-RC-ari makes some sense given how the days have played out, and would account for town being lost despite there being a hard “towncore”. I do think his actions are a legit solve attempt, just not right because I don’t think the two of you would ever be so clear.

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I need to reavaluate teacher because i think the model i have in my head of him is wrong

FWIW, im not sure I k ow your model, but the player I identify most with is also RCE, as he said in early game, to the extent that helps refine it.

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RC, I’m not now, nor have I ever been pushing you, despite my team, so maybe just accept when I relay their comments that I’m relaying their comments and not as a reflection of what I’m doing?

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Can we talk about xtomx? I’d been giving it a bit of a break since I thought it crumbed a pr (mirror), even if it was not playing that or how I would play it. Now that I know mirrors aren’t in normals, I find it weird that a slot with that little content hasn’t gotten more attention.

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What really scares people is not the artificial intelligence in the computer, but the natural intelligence they see in the mirror.

remember shadowing a while back? I just thought of that for some reason.

I was in a game with RCE where he was a town shadow voter and volxen was a mirror. I was comfortable enough with RCE town and wanted to call this crumb out. But it can’t be a crumb (at least not for a mirror) since those aren’t allowed in normals. (Providing context fwiw)

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The problem with that is that if it doesn’t end the game, the game is lost, ya?

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Math RCE Ico
Skit RC
Bella
Ari
Xtom shos saudade flopz

The thing is I’m pretty convinced there’s scum on the top two lines. Note to self - reread the flopz and ari day one wagon pages.

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Honestly the RC wagon on this page, before Ico swung away again, was going to get my vote for finally having my hardest town reads working together (also in part for the hopes of a less spammed tomorrow.). But I’m fine with shos or flopz, and will contribute to either.

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VOTE: shos

That’s L-2

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UNVOTE:

Taking off for the flight and actually don’t want a random hammer rn.

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Yea I’m fine bringing this back to L-1 to get the team reads shared now, without benefit of color.

VOTE: shos

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That was actually thoroughly pleasing spam.

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Do you need me to l-1?

To be clear we are on L-1 with intent, so we should get a claim and team reads.

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Cue jeopardy/elevator music (with or without RC’s lyrics.....)

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^(noting the passage of thirty minutes, to be more explicit/clear.

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UNVOTE:

Going to try to actually understand that, and go back on ari, tonight.

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Also bananas.

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RC is tiown.

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(I wanted the pagetop. Plus his post on ico’s discussion of Math finally convinced me to give up the paranoia)

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Shade? I'm pointing out that everyone's been assuming you were a protective with an inno on Mathblade when that's not true and it was the main reason to townread both of you.

This one. It shows a true attempt to game out various possibilities and understand the subtext of the resistance you were getting from a town POV.

I’m still grading and binging suits, but will get on latter. @skit - I wanted to reread the ketchup, it was difficult to parse but seemed oddly tilted towards weird times to read into and designed to give the lamisty flavor of an entirely new take, but one that wouldn’t find support when read against plums real-time posting (something I hav not done but mean to). Overall, it didn’t buy a ticket out of my Lynch pool but it did but some time for reflection whenever I do sit at a comp.

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You’ve essentially outed a protective theory, ya?

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unvote on promising to read through shos's catchup later, but not following through with that.

Um it’s been like 6 hours. You of all people I would expect to respect real life. Bite me.

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And I suppose we keep meeting each other. Sorry for the last ones aggression.

Ari I’m getting better on. I think it’s a play style dissonance dislike of the frivolity, but without 5e RC paranoia it gets better. I’m kinda just willing to sheep you on the meta since my enduring suspicions of you were also focused around RC. Bottom line: out of my Lynch pool, but well below those I feel strongly on.

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Let’s talk rce because that’s another tow read I have with lingering doubts. Like I’m used to feeling a presence there that I haven’t been. It’s part of why I was surprised they hadn’t tested em. Like I don’t think they have been doing as much of solving in their own way as I’m used to. To be clear - I still feel that’s very very town, just voicing the naggling doubt.

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Wait I have a new theory that is still consistent with all of the above. @RC think it through.

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Yea. And I was just kidding, it didn’t work in any event - took me like two levels down to see it’s flaw.

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Shade? I'm pointing out that everyone's been assuming you were a protective with an inno on Mathblade when that's not true and it was the main reason to townread both of you.

This one. It shows a true attempt to game out various possibilities and understand the subtext of the resistance you were getting from a town POV.

I’m still grading and binging suits, but will get on latter. @skit - I wanted to reread the ketchup, it was difficult to parse but seemed oddly tilted towards weird times to read into and designed to give the lamisty flavor of an entirely new take, but one that wouldn’t find support when read against plums real-time posting (something I hav not done but mean to). Overall, it didn’t buy a ticket out of my Lynch pool but it did but some time for reflection whenever I do sit at a comp.

What do you make of RC outing a protective theory?

And then now going back on it?

I find that odd town!RC would ever out such a theory?

Tell me the scum motivation for putting it in thread rather than in pt. I mean please.

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Y on saudade, skit (if you’ve already said, I’ll reread, so no need to spam)

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I’m fine with shoes or math. I think they’re both scum.

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VOTE: math

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UNVOTE:

Actually that was exuberance. But I do think I’ve finally caught a scum. I will do the reading I’ve promised later tonight and vote if I’m still feeling this solve.

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That youre scum. It makes some sense with vcas, pairings I’ve kept in my head, and game events. But I want to do it rationally, not on adrenaline that I’ve got rn.

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Well there goes that productive thread atmosphere. I’m off to bed. Maths not being lynched today.

Pedit: I will write on it. But the vagueness of the buzzwords is in part intentional.

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Well there goes that productive thread atmosphere. I’m off to bed. Maths not being lynched today.

Pedit: I will write on it. But the vagueness of the buzzwords is in part intentional.

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And I agree, you and RC are never TvT.

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F it. I’m going to a computer now.

Pedit: ya, trust me I saw them. And Icos to you. It’s why I said you were never the Lynch. But greater insight into the waves yields greater understanding.

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You do you. I have to stack my theories a little bit, but for now pure maths and Vcs say you are the likelier scum of the two, even I doubted RCs play more.

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And I agree, you and RC are never TvT.

Would you also be interested in knowing I already crumbed what I am? So it’s no real loss off my back if I go first but we really oughta listen to Ducky here.

I am very interested, but I also dont want to out roles. Lets assume you have one that gets some kind of a result. Did you get one?

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That’s why one active (RC) one mid level (Skitter or you) and one mid/low

I agree with this theory, in terms of posting/teams.

OK, since everyone has outed the theory of Ico being protective, I'll acknowledge thats part of it.
Now, add RC's catch about Ico not having a clear on you. Because that is clearly what Ico said.
Add them up. Thats the maths part.

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How can a protective not have a clear when there is no death (and everybody but RC agrees a kill was surpassingly likely to be attempted).

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Now you see RC's town motivation in outing the catch? Because everyone was playing around it like it was a clear (because the crumbs were pretty f'ing loaves), when it wasnt, and it helped town to have better knowledge.

Now, youre slightly more likely to be a kept killer, than killee. But against that, I have to weigh the fact that you were a uni-town read (whom it made sense to keep), and RC is alive as an unprotected claimed detective when he is known as a fearsome townplayer even without the PR (but, of course, scum could have expected him to be auto-lynched today). So Im at the point where its unlikely both you and RC are TvT, and I find his solve efforts more impressive, tbh. I just have to check if they are motivated to get rid of the person that could be conf!town D3/D4.

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It got oddly silent now.