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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:30 pm

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VOTE: Hopkirk
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Post Post #8 (isolation #1) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:32 pm

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Subject: Team Mafia 2020 Announcement
Hopkirk wrote:Ok, this is getting scary. I've made about a dozen posts in the last hour or so as I connected the dots and the mods have removed or edited all my posts except the ones that make me sound like a raving conspiracy theorist. The clues are all there, look at page one:
In post 0, Untrod Tripod wrote:
Announcing Team Mafia 2020

This
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vent will begin on January 2nd, 2020. This gives everyone am
p
le time to get team
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ther and for those who wish to part
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cipate to wi
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d down their current commitments.

Team Mafia is a site
w
ide event sp
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nning five game
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. Teams of four players will be given the opportunity to choose four out of the five ga
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be place
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in, and will wor
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together to w
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n their chosen games. Scoring, based on whether or not your team was in winning games, wi
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termine the overall winners of the event. The winning team will receive a banner for their accounts that will be
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isplayed until the next Team Mafia event or the next Scummies, whichever comes first. The tentative plan for the five games will be

1. A large theme, run by Lizard people
2. A mini theme, run by the Illuminati
3. A mini normal, run by The Masons (fuck masons)
4. A white flag open, run by Lizard people
5. Assassinations of anyone who worked out what we're really up to, run by Micc
Only scum make posts like that
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Post Post #9 (isolation #2) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:37 pm

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@everyone, why did everyone choose this game?
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Post Post #11 (isolation #3) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:04 pm

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In post 10, KittyMo wrote:Will you answer this too?
I didn't :( I wanted to be in the other open game, but I think I was too heavy handed my own personal blacklist and bob got pushed into it instead
I specifically didn't want this game because it is particularly difficult to win as town
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Post Post #13 (isolation #4) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:09 pm

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In post 12, Dannflor wrote:Why did you ask that question?
I will reveal this once everyone has answered
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Post Post #18 (isolation #5) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:48 pm

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In post 17, KittyMo wrote:
In post 11, gobbledygook wrote:
I didn't :( I wanted to be in the other open game, but I think I was too heavy handed my own personal blacklist and bob got pushed into it instead
I specifically didn't want this game because it is particularly difficult to win as town
I mean, apparently the random lynch EV is almost 48%. I suspect the team aspect can fix some of the issues that cause towns to do worse in practice.
I might be wrong but I thought the EV and actual win rate were vastly disproportionate and not in town’s favor. But you’re right I should look to see how often Tm towns win white flag rather than just generic white flags.
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Post Post #19 (isolation #6) » Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:49 pm

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I’m like sad and also happy that this game is the dead one? I’m sad right now it is slow because I’m here, but I know I’ll be happy in a week when my availability is gonna be awful.
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Post Post #52 (isolation #7) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:41 am

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VOTE: Wgeurts
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Post Post #55 (isolation #8) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:30 am

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In post 50, Auro wrote:How does the answer to "Why White Flag?" give any useful information? The reasons would have been established prior, and there's no picking games after role assignments anyway.
Well it speaks to the type of person you are generally which is what I want to explore. It is helpful for me to know what type of people I am dealing with since I haven’t played with many of you.

Do you think it is a bad idea to try and introduce discussion into the game?
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Post Post #59 (isolation #9) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:52 am

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In post 57, Auro wrote:
In post 13, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 12, Dannflor wrote:Why did you ask that question?
I will reveal this once everyone has answered
It's perfectly fine to introduce a discussion point, but why not just explain that at the beginning?
What have you learnt from the responses?
I feel like you want some grand explanation when in reality it’s not that grand at all. Do you think there is scum motivation for asking that question?
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Post Post #61 (isolation #10) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:08 am

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Because no one is posting :(
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Post Post #62 (isolation #11) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:09 am

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I’m trying not to explode the game because I already have a lot of posts and a sizable portion of the game still hasn’t even checked in
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Post Post #65 (isolation #12) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:13 am

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In post 64, Hopkirk wrote:Hectic hallucinating here. Hi, hello, howdy homies. Hopkirk’s habitually handled hard hostility. Hijacking his hill here, hopefully his hospitality hinders horrifying hamster hostage hazing. Here’s heartfelt hopes he half hammers hazardous hillbillies. Hectic’s heckling Hop’s heartbreaking headache.
Hoping he haggles handguns here… hedonistic hillbillies he’ll hit. Hitherto
heavenly Hopkirk himself!

Hectic ‘Hectic’ Hectic
Oh yeah this is what I’ve been waiting for
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Post Post #66 (isolation #13) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:14 am

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In post 63, Cephrir wrote::igmeou:

VOTE: turkey
Where is this coming from?
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Post Post #71 (isolation #14) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:19 am

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Now we are getting somewhere
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Post Post #72 (isolation #15) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:23 am

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In post 67, Dannflor wrote:Why was this something you felt the need to wait to reveal?
I didn’t actually :P But it is helpful to see what people pick and choose to respond to. Like do people ask legitimate questions are do they ask empty questions like Cephrir’s wood question
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Post Post #74 (isolation #16) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:26 am

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I do find it interesting that Cephrir seems to imply he has some sort of meta feel for me when we have played together at the same time in 0 completed games as far as I can remember
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Post Post #75 (isolation #17) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:33 am

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It looks we were in the same game for Masquerade but I don’t know who he was in that game
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Post Post #76 (isolation #18) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:36 am

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In post 60, Cephrir wrote:Turkey why are you made of wood this game
Yeah explain the basis for this comment
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Post Post #83 (isolation #19) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:44 am

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Big words? You mean like particularly, disproportionate, and generic?
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Post Post #84 (isolation #20) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:46 am

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Hopkirk please do not ever address a post like that to me again.
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Post Post #90 (isolation #21) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:16 am

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not ignoring you auro, just driving
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Post Post #91 (isolation #22) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:24 am

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In post 79, Auro wrote:There's motivation to ask it as both town and scum. I'm only interested in what you've learned from the rest of our responses.
I can see scum motivation in posting a question designed to appear towny while not having any real justification for it, maintaining secrecy when asked why you did, and giving a tame explanation much later.
What's your experience playing scum? Can you describe your scum playing style? More specifically - if you roll scum, would you allow being coached by your partners?
That is a fair assertion. I had two main reasons for asking the question. 1) I wanted to understand the types of players in this game. I wanted to see if it was going to be a lot of people with big personalities or people who thought highly of themselves a la RC/Mastina/Kuribo, etc. It appears that this playerlist is not like that at all, judging from the responses. Save for probably Dongempire. 2) I wanted it to get us out of RVS by giving us SOMETHING to talk about.

I have only played scum twice. Both in New York.
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I would say that as scum I generally do not care if I get lynched because I hate playing it so I do things that are probably suicidal from an outsider's perspective.
Yes, I would allow my teammates to coach me, but if I was scum I would have told them the same thing and probably to save their breath.
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Post Post #93 (isolation #23) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:32 am

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In post 77, Cephrir wrote:
In post 74, gobbledygook wrote:I do find it interesting that Cephrir seems to imply he has some sort of meta feel for me when we have played together at the same time in 0 completed games as far as I can remember
I'm no meta warrior, don't worry. But I'd be concerned about this feeling from any player, and I'm more bothered by a response that's kind of irrelevant to the question I asked than any of the behavior itself. I don't see why trying not to post too much would decrease the quality of the posts you *have* made. If anything, shouldn't there be more heart to them?

I don't think this is a huge deal or anything, just a way of getting into the swing of things.
I mean I don't understand why you think my posts lack quality. I think they have quality because they are helping me understand people and move the game state along.

I also find your comment that you are not a "meta warrior" a bit disingenuous when you then go on to say
In post 81, Cephrir wrote:I'm put off by your use of unnecessary big words, which I'm not aware of being characteristic of you
I also disagree that I even used "big" words. It wasn't like I was talking about psychological terminology or other highfalutin vocabulary. I am confused by what you would even consider a big word other than disproportionate which doesn't even seem to fit with the idea of a "big" word unless you literally mean the amount of letters which is just ???
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Post Post #95 (isolation #24) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:33 am

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So I used a, single "particularly"

That is a ridiculous

VOTE: Cephrir
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Post Post #98 (isolation #25) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:47 am

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In post 96, Dannflor wrote:My only problem is the amount of defensiveness you've shown gobble, and why you've jumped so quickly to Cephrir making a bad faith read on your slot. I get it if you don't think your posting has been bad at all (which is a purely subjective thing), but do you at least see why Auro/me would interpret your question as empty? Also, do you have any reads beyond Cephrir at this point?
I'm just tired of being the day 1 lynch. It's been like 6 games now and its uber frustrating because I would say I am above 60% for catching scum but it doesn't matter people just do not understand me and kill me.

I honestly do not know what to make of you. I can't tell if Cephrir was being opportunistic by voting me first while you and Auro were pretty openly probing me with skeptical sounding questions or if you guys are town for not voting me despite the tone of your posts implying that you want to
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Post Post #99 (isolation #26) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:48 am

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Hopkirk's thing is a meme. I would appreciate it if he did not do the "cluck you" meme anymore because it wasn't funny and this isn't a Bill Burr or George Carlin standup night
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Post Post #101 (isolation #27) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:50 am

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meant to say if you guys are town for not voting me
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Post Post #103 (isolation #28) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:53 am

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In post 100, KittyMo wrote:Why did you see it as an empty question?
It isn't a question that someone can answer because it is so subjective. It looks like shade
In post 100, KittyMo wrote:Anyway: Formerfish's response in #28 isn't indicative of a big personality to you?
I didn't even see that post, but yeah that is a big personality.
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Post Post #104 (isolation #29) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:56 am

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In post 102, Dannflor wrote:I was wondering if your questioning produced any readable content for you beyond Cephrir.
I think it gave me readable content on you and Auro for sure, I just currently cannot understand what I am looking at when it comes to you both. I would probably say if you and auro are more likely town and Cephr is more likely scum even though I don't think he answered my question
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Post Post #107 (isolation #30) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:59 am

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This game is exactly the type of day 1 that I feel like is happening here
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Post Post #114 (isolation #31) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:07 am

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In post 111, Auro wrote:Why would not voting you despite our apparent intention to do so make us towny? On the contrary, I'd find that scummy myself.
You state you're on-the-fence about Cephrir here, although you had just voted him for other reasons. I'm kindaaa concerned about the phrasing of this.
Yeah, I fixed that in another post, I meant to say scum instead of town
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Post Post #117 (isolation #32) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:11 am

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While we are on the topic of meta, if NSG lurks she is scum. Period.
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Post Post #122 (isolation #33) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:28 am

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I don't particularly like the Cephrir vote on Dann
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Post Post #123 (isolation #34) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:28 am

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Oh no I said the p word :(
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Post Post #125 (isolation #35) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:41 am

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VOTE: Hopkirk

I just don't get why you had to vote him to talk to him? Dann seems pretty capable of talking without needing to be pressured with a vote. It looked like you were trying to get away from the situation
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Post Post #134 (isolation #36) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:03 am

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I am traditionally ate but I try to limit it as the turkey
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Post Post #137 (isolation #37) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:07 am

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In post 136, Cephrir wrote:
In post 134, gobbledygook wrote:I am traditionally ate but I try to limit it as the turkey
ur an alt?
No but I did come from another site. I didn’t start mafia on ms
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Post Post #139 (isolation #38) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:10 am

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I guess I should say I definitely was ate back when I started but I really try to limit it now on this site
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Post Post #142 (isolation #39) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:49 am

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In post 127, Cephrir wrote:yes, i did not feel like voting you anymore. is that scummy?
The desire to not want to be voting me is not scummy, the need to move it to another person to talk with them is weird. You just did it with Auro too.

Hopkirk, my vote on you and the comments below it are not related. Sorry if that was not clear
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Post Post #146 (isolation #40) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:59 am

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In post 143, Hopkirk wrote:That was not clear since you said one name then used 'you' several times then didn't elaborate - which gave the impression your initial use was correct.

Hop 'Hops' Hoppers
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Post Post #150 (isolation #41) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:45 am

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In post 147, KittyMo wrote:I guess I'm interested in why you didn't comment on anything from page 2 that wasn't a direct question toward you. Like, the amount of posts is clearly not being a barrier to you being able to analyze what was there. What was your mindset?
I glazed over spam posting from Formerfish
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Post Post #152 (isolation #42) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:08 pm

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where is all this aggression coming from? Can you and
Hopkirk
Elements take a breather?
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Post Post #161 (isolation #43) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:02 pm

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In post 154, Dunnstral wrote:Awkward post, I have a hard time believing this reasoning
Why?
In post 154, Dunnstral wrote:What empty question did he ask? It looks like you started pushing him because he started voting you.
He asked me why I felt so wooden. I don't understand how I am supposed to respond to that, as either alignment. To me, it looked like a rhetorical question designed to shade me.
In post 155, Dunnstral wrote:This post is weird when you posted this earlier:
What makes it weird?
In post 155, Dunnstral wrote:I think you act quite a bit differently in that game than you are in this game, though.
What is different between that game and this game? My spat with Cephrir feels extremely similar to my spat with Chkflip, just with a lot less emotion.

Where is your avatar from Dunn? It is pretty
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Post Post #165 (isolation #44) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:22 pm

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In post 163, Dunnstral wrote:Ironically, this is an empty question, and how do you expect Cephrir to respond to that, etc.
This is literally not a question that I posed to anyone in this game... It was me explaining my thought process to Dann. This feels like a misrep in the same way Cephrir's "big words" misrep
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Post Post #166 (isolation #45) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:24 pm

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will respond to walls tomorrow, sleep now
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Post Post #246 (isolation #46) » Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:47 pm

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Wall incoming sometime on Tuesday late afternoon
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Post Post #329 (isolation #47) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:37 am

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Yay I don’t have too much to catchup but that will be a little later tonight
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Post Post #334 (isolation #48) » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:16 am

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VLA until Jan 13


Sorry guys I’m way more busy than I thought I would be this week and I’m exhausted by the time I come home everyday. I have a day off on Jan 13 though
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Post Post #336 (isolation #49) » Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:22 am

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Gonna skim over the next couple of hours. Things that I saw from vc. Nsg why are you voting wgeurts? Why are people voting Auro?
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Post Post #337 (isolation #50) » Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:22 am

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Also damn why the vote on me
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Post Post #340 (isolation #51) » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:42 pm

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Can we get a replacement on wgeurts or Joan of Arcadia?
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Post Post #341 (isolation #52) » Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:36 pm

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Ok. I am caught up. I don't think I am actually going to wall anything, I'm just going to give reads.

Town
KittyMo
Auro
Dann
Dunn
Cephrir
Hopkirk
Espeonage
Joan of Arc
DongEmpire
Formerfish
Wgeurts
NSG
Scum

You can view the Joan of Arc line as the official null line because I have no read on that slot and it is odd that others do have a read on that slot when it has two posts with no content.

Principally, the things that I am most suspect about are...

Dunn being able to extrapolate so much from a Joan of Arc vote on me. I feel like he is projecting and has entered the Death Spiral to get me killed.
NSG stating that Wgeurts was one of the three people in her town block and then not moving her vote despite having ample to time to post several more times after that fact.
Dongempire backing off Cephrir seemed like he realized he went down the wrong path trying to get people to scumread Cephrir. I also feel like Hopkirk is reaching with some of his analysis (particular when it comes to me), but he is very funny so I will townread him to keep him around longer.

I want to vote NSG because she is playing into her scum meta that I saw in Alternative 9P. I find it odd that no one else is commenting on that. It seemed like it was common knowledge across the site since other payers in that game also made that observation.

VOTE: Dongempire
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Post Post #343 (isolation #53) » Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:50 pm

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I don't know, independent of her meta tell for being scum, the fact that she left her vote on wgeurts despite naming him as one of her THREE town reads seems pretty bad coming from the Paragon.
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Post Post #344 (isolation #54) » Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:51 pm

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Also it is quite unfortunate because I purposefully lurking at the close of the weekend to see if this game would pick up activity if I was not at the center of it and then I had a 20 hour monday and time has just continued to slip away from me. Looking back I shouldn't have purposefully removed myself from the discussion, but live and learn I guess.
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Post Post #345 (isolation #55) » Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:53 pm

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Actually reading through the last few pages, where is all this certainty about Hopkirk town coming from?
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Post Post #378 (isolation #56) » Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:13 am

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To whoever asked me why Dong, I voted him because he is actually present and could respond to pressure. I’m not sure any pressure on NSG would make her do anything.
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Post Post #540 (isolation #57) » Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:56 am

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Cheeky are you gonna quick hammer me like last time
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Post Post #545 (isolation #58) » Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:08 am

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In post 527, KittyMo wrote:Bruh, be real with me, did someone coach you to do/say this? You prodged Friday (promising stuff Saturday), Sunday (promising stuff Tuesday), and then again on Tuesday. So what I get from that and this explanation is that you had stuff you thought was worth addressing over the weekend as of Friday, then on Sunday went "ehhh I'm going to take this opportunity to lurk to watch activity levels" instead, and then got actually busy. What would an activity level change have indicated to you? I've never really been in a position where I cared about watching activity levels in relation to myself - because I know my alignment already, so I don't know what there is TO watch from that? Like if there's a defined narrative involving other people and no one's challenging it, that's a game state worth examining and can be telling. If you wanted to stop posting to let pressure on you taper from everyone's boredom, I'd rather you just admitted it. Otherwise: please clarify.
By commenting on stuff I meant like things that Dunnstral was needling, but I didn’t think it was worth it for the game state to get into a post by post quote strip war. I don’t have the time for it at least
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Post Post #546 (isolation #59) » Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:08 am

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Also why do you think I would be coached to say that?
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Post Post #751 (isolation #60) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:32 am

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Was at a wedding for multiple days. I will get to this
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Post Post #774 (isolation #61) » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:46 pm

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In post 773, BBmolla wrote:
In post 770, Dunnstral wrote:If you think Dong is 'pretty blatant scum' I'd prefer that you pushed that lynch over policy voting nsg
I'd rather do that than get to LYLO and have NSG not fucking posted all game because "sorry guys other games required attention."

whoever said lynching lurkers day 1 is a bad idea is wrong, everything I've ever experienced has shown proof of the opposite.

you can't read someone if they have no content to get a read from and that only gets worse as time goes on
BBmolla is the mafia commentator we have sorely missed.

I will look over this game tonight
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Post Post #888 (isolation #62) » Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:38 am

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I'm sorry everyone, real life has been kicking my tail feathers. My computer is now having issues.

Someone asked me about my reads and they haven't really changed since I posted my reads list since I havent been able to read at all. I think my strongest town read is KittyMo followed by Auro. Skimming the last two pages I like BBmolla for town too, but I don't remember him from the early game at all.

If NSG is lurking I think that should be the first to go. I'm rushing right now and don't remember a vc on her but consider my vote on her
I feel like Dong has also started lurking or his activity has taken a huge stepback. I am honestly so out of touch with this game and I feel terrible about it
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Post Post #896 (isolation #63) » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:41 am

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I’m here! I fixed my computer. Cheeky why do you want Formerfish
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Post Post #901 (isolation #64) » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:47 am

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The question was for me to help understand the type of player
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Post Post #905 (isolation #65) » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:04 am

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In post 904, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'm at the point now that if nsg is town and lynched I don't really care because today most people seem fixated on it and that is going to mess up how the game reads D1.

Ugh.
I mean it is possible that she’s scum and had these real life obligations, but I rereading her iso she said she was choosing to ignore this game which is really weird to me
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Post Post #907 (isolation #66) » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:14 am

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I think FF might be town actually. I liked the frustration with Auro re: BOP on NSG and FF. I also liked 372. Only skimmed the later half of his iso though
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Post Post #911 (isolation #67) » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:28 am

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No I do need to update it
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Post Post #912 (isolation #68) » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:34 am

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Cheeky talk to me about Dong and Dann.
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Post Post #913 (isolation #69) » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:35 am

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In post 910, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 341, gobbledygook wrote:Town
KittyMo
Auro
Dann
Dunn
Cephrir
Hopkirk
Espeonage
Joan of Arc
DongEmpire
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Wgeurts
NSG
Scum
Gobbles are you sure you don't need to update this?
Driving so I’m sorry if this isn’t going to make any sense but Dann moves down
Espeonage up
Dong down
Fish up
Wgeurts (cheeky) up
Joan (bb) up
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Post Post #915 (isolation #70) » Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:46 pm

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Liking Dong’s reaction to pressure less and less as I skim his iso
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Post Post #932 (isolation #71) » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:28 pm

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I would read the case CT.

Mod, Wgeurts is listed in the vc.

Why are Auro and Esp so strongly linked for you, CT? Its becoming increasingly distressing that I’m arriving to different conclusions than you because I think your burst of energy here now is town indicative and I want to be able to work with you
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Post Post #955 (isolation #72) » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:21 am

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In post 936, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 932, gobbledygook wrote:Its becoming increasingly distressing that I’m arriving to different conclusions than you
Don't be distressed I often go full circle on reads.

What conclusions are you concerned about?
Dong mainly and FF. I look forward to the case though because maybe that will explain better what I’m not seeinf
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Post Post #956 (isolation #73) » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:27 am

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Although maybe it looks like you’ve changed your mind on Dong based on your reads list?
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Post Post #962 (isolation #74) » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:11 pm

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Yeah. The comment about Formerfish is pretty accurate
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Post Post #963 (isolation #75) » Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:12 pm

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I feel like I want fish to be town rather than actually town reading him

VOTE: Fish
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Post Post #1161 (isolation #76) » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:37 am

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In post 1157, Hopkirk wrote:I haven't even remotely caught up and won't until tomorrow evening at the earliest.

VOTE: Dunn
We do not have enough time for this vanity wagon and you’re probably wrong anyway.

Please vote Fish, NSG, Dong, or Esp. We have one day to make this happen.
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Post Post #1166 (isolation #77) » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:11 am

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In post 1163, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1161, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 1157, Hopkirk wrote:I haven't even remotely caught up and won't until tomorrow evening at the earliest.

VOTE: Dunn
We do not have enough time for this vanity wagon and you’re probably wrong anyway.

Please vote Fish, NSG, Dong, or Esp. We have one day to make this happen.
There's no wagon on Dong or Esp?
I said it because they are the most suspected people and have the most traction for a deadline kill.
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Post Post #1186 (isolation #78) » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:51 am

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Yeah no we are not killing me. Random deadline lynches always land on scum /s
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Post Post #1189 (isolation #79) » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:54 am

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To be totally honest I would want NSG or Dong because I feel like Fish will at least contribute something in the future
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Post Post #1191 (isolation #80) » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:57 am

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In post 1188, Hopkirk wrote:I want to knew EXACTLY what you've been talking to your partner's about this game gobble. Everywhere they've given you thoughts or suggested something to say. Your tone doesn't feel like it's coming from only one person and you haven't indicated that it isn't.

Hop 'hopnop' Hop
My partners have been pretty mum about my game because I’ve been absent from it for a large portion of it. Everything I’ve posted here has been my original thought. But this did remind me that they asked me something early in the game.

I don’t get why people are thinking I’m not writing my own posts. This is at least t he second time someone has levied this claim against me. Do you all think I don’t know how to play the game? Have I set the expectations that low?
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Post Post #1197 (isolation #81) » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:18 am

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How does FF have scum equity with me?
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Post Post #1200 (isolation #82) » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:23 am

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What part do you want me to explain more specifically
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Post Post #1238 (isolation #83) » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:02 pm

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In post 1199, KittyMo wrote:
In post 905, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 904, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'm at the point now that if nsg is town and lynched I don't really care because today most people seem fixated on it and that is going to mess up how the game reads D1.

Ugh.
I mean it is possible that she’s scum and had these real life obligations, but I rereading her iso she said she was choosing to ignore this game which is really weird to me
Can you explain this more?
I don’t get why she would choose to ignore this game. It seems weird to me because she is functionally a hydra with RadiantCowbells. That is something, if town, scum will want to nuke. It is too good left alive. I don’t get the refusal to actually engage with the game when she and RC would know that even despite a purposeful “low content” game, it is still highly likely the slot would die.

It was also weird to me because it seemed like there wasn’t much her team would need help with at the time. I could be wrong because I’ve been in and out, but I think one of the games her team is playing was in might phase at the time of that post
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Post Post #1239 (isolation #84) » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:02 pm

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What does CFD mean?
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Post Post #1241 (isolation #85) » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:10 pm

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In post 1212, KittyMo wrote:
@Gobble
where are you at with Ceph? I feel like that's the main progression from you I don't understand and that the window for asking about hasn't sorta passed on
One of my weaker town reads I would say. I’m gonna post a readslist when I wake up tomorrow in case I’m hammered at work
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Post Post #1249 (isolation #86) » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:19 pm

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In post 1245, Formerfish wrote:
In post 1235, Dannflor wrote:Sorry FF if you're town, but I'd rather take NSG later into the game than you as it stands.
I'd hang him just for this comment.

Thanks for letting me know that a fucking empty space is better than having me around Dann.
Yeah honestly this is the type of reasoning for why NSG’s self imposed exile is weird but I seem to be alone in that thought
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Post Post #1257 (isolation #87) » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:28 pm

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To the people asking what my team has said, it has mostly been Menalque and the only real comment he had was for Dunnstral to say that his push on me looked like a push for LHF that Menalque had seen scumDunn do with scumMenalque.

Menalque is going to be more active now that he is dead (rip)
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Post Post #1258 (isolation #88) » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:29 pm

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EP and Bob were mostly focusing on their own games or commenting a bit on one another’s
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Post Post #1261 (isolation #89) » Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:45 pm

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Can we please just kill this

VOTE: NSG
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Post Post #1266 (isolation #90) » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:01 pm

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Menalque begs to differ on that point. I have been lynched Day 1 as town in like 6 games so history would also beg to differ I suppose.
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Post Post #1462 (isolation #91) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:36 am

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I’m on my lunch break now
If I die Cheeky/Dann looks really bad with NSG scum flip. I think it would make BBmolla town too
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Post Post #1464 (isolation #92) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:40 am

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I wonder if it makes Fish town too actually
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Post Post #1468 (isolation #93) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:13 am

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That flash BBmolla wagon has to be scumdriven change my mind
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Post Post #1470 (isolation #94) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:17 am

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Of course you would say that, you were one of the starting votes on it
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Post Post #1489 (isolation #95) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:42 pm

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In post 1473, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1462, gobbledygook wrote:I’m on my lunch break now
If I die Cheeky/Dann looks really bad with NSG scum flip. I think it would make BBmolla town too
You called yourself low hanging fruit earlier. Why do you think you have a chance of dying?
If NSG flips scum I think it makes me fairly obviously town since I’ve been saying that for a long time
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Post Post #1510 (isolation #96) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:13 pm

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I was about to be so sad if we no lynched when so many other games in team mafia are hitting scum
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #97) » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:56 pm

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I'm definitely going to be the Night Kill, was fun playing with y'all!
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Post Post #1532 (isolation #98) » Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:47 am

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To take a page from NSG and RC, kill the non-bussers first

VOTE: Cheeky
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Post Post #1534 (isolation #99) » Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:51 am

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In post 1531, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1287, Espeonage wrote:Ok I think I can make my breakdown clear.

NSG flips town. We get absolutely nothing from it.
NSG flips scum. Great.
FF flips scum, great but also we have a bunch of shit to go on from that because they were actually engaged in discourse.
FF flips town, we can actually examine what this means for gamestate based on that fucking discourse.

Both situation are better for flipping FF.
This was a really bad defense of NSG
I agree with that. My team and I think that it is likely NSG's mafia buddies were probably trying to create as much smoke as possible so that she wouldn't flip
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Post Post #1539 (isolation #100) » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:00 am

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In post 1536, Dannflor wrote:
In post 1529, Cephrir wrote:I was just looking back now at how some of the end of day stuff went down. My initial response to Dann's trajectory (just the one I happened to look at first) is... town???? Avoiding nsg consistently only to flip there in th 11th hour seems like a strange bus.
I'm a little embarrassed by my indecisiveness yesterday. However, from a completely non-neutral perspective, I *feel* like it's fairly obvious I didn't know NSG's alignment.
My team and I do not agree with this
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Post Post #1554 (isolation #101) » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:25 am

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We think it is scummy that you were on Fish, then you were on the BB flash wagon, and only after that did you vote NSG when it was obvious that NSG was going to flip. That level of movement around NSG is scummy to us. Plus, your earlier stances on NSG seemed like soft pushes in her direction.
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Post Post #1571 (isolation #102) » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:55 am

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In post 1558, Dannflor wrote:Do you have other reasons for thinking I'm scum or is it purely in my wagon movements yesterday? Is Menalque scum reading me?
Purely wagon movements.
Yes.
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Post Post #1573 (isolation #103) » Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:05 am

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Why do you ask about Menalque specifically?
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Post Post #1589 (isolation #104) » Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:45 am

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In post 1575, Auro wrote:Dunn NSG trajectory scummy
What do you mean by this? Dunn is one of my stronger townreads from how yesterday went.

Dong’s Cephrir vote is something out of left field. Dong weren’t you suspecting three other people not named Cephrir?
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Post Post #1590 (isolation #105) » Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:49 am

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In post 1574, Dannflor wrote:He has played with both town me in Normal 2081 and scum me in AvP. I was wondering which game he thought my play here was more like. Obviously I have an opinion but I'm biased.

I guess I can't really hold it against him if he thinks I'm scum though considering Cephrir has also played with me as both alignments and thinks I could be scum.

Mostly I was just wondering if there was something about my play Menalque in particular was scum reading since he has experience with me. If it's just the wagon movements then whatever

Why exactly is Cheeky your first vote today?
I have asked Menalque to answer this.
I think Cheeky was trying to do anything but vote NSG yesterday. In a game like white flag which heavily disincentivizes bussing, I am looking at those types of plays the most.
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Post Post #1800 (isolation #106) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:49 am

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VOTE: Dong

I feel like I was right about this yesterDay
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Post Post #1801 (isolation #107) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:05 am

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In post 1598, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1590, gobbledygook wrote:I have asked Menalque to answer this.
I think Cheeky was trying to do anything but vote NSG yesterday. In a game like white flag which heavily disincentivizes bussing, I am looking at those types of plays the most
Are you serious? How about you look at people who were able to hammer FF or BB and didn't then clear out from there. This is disappointing from you.
Is this a burden of proficiency argument on me, Cheeky? I find that odd because we have only played one game together.
In post 1597, BBmolla wrote:Speaking of which, was there scum on my wagon?
Do you think that there weren't scum on your wagon?
In post 1684, Dunnstral wrote:I think saying he'll vote NSG tomorrow after lynching FF today is scummy - and I truly believe he would have bussed nsg on day 2, after he got his FF mislynch.

Today, he's backing off from FF because he doesn't want to look bad, but that doesn't really match up with what he was saying yesterday.
This would make sense especially if he is letting louder players drive the FF wagon.
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Post Post #1803 (isolation #108) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:21 am

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In post 1802, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 1801, gobbledygook wrote:Is this a burden of proficiency argument on me, Cheeky? I find that odd because we have only played one game together.
If I was BoPing you I'd vote you. Think of it more as a logical thinking excersize.
That confuses me even more. Why would you vote me if you were BoP'ing me?
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Post Post #1805 (isolation #109) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:26 am

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How does me thinking you're scum make me dumb? I'm always going to reevaluate the people who put up resistance to scum lynches.
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Post Post #1807 (isolation #110) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:29 am

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I'm not trying to be difficult, Cheeky. I'm sorry if I made you feel that way though
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Post Post #1819 (isolation #111) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:10 am

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In post 1817, Cephrir wrote:i kinda think espe and dong are both mislynches but i couldn't give a very good reason why
i guess we have room to mess up tho
If that’s true, who do you think is pushing for those mislynches?
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Post Post #1839 (isolation #112) » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:32 pm

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I feel like how Dunn played D1 and that he was a major component of the NSG wagon makes him town. Espeonage, once you’ve read end of day, I would like to hear more about what you think of Dunn
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Post Post #1852 (isolation #113) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:43 am

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Cheeky we need more pops cats in this thread. Make it happen
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Post Post #1863 (isolation #114) » Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:01 pm

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I feel like rushing through this day isn’t in our best interest
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Post Post #1983 (isolation #115) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:33 am

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In post 1970, Auro wrote:Or, on the other hand, they wrote off the game due to inexperienced/easy-to-catch scum players and decided NSG could help in towngames instead.
Did you bring this up the first time...? This is the second time I’ve seen this mentioned and this seems like a particularly bad take. What does the NSG team mafia team have to gain from this type of prioritization?
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Post Post #1985 (isolation #116) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:20 am

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But That turns into a net loss for that team though. If you lose a scam game and you went all your town games, you’re still not likely to win because there’s likely a team with all town rolls. I just don’t really understand the logic from your perspective that she would ignore this game on that assumption.
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Post Post #1986 (isolation #117) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:20 am

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It looks like you’re trying to shade the not well spoken or well-known players in this game. People that the general public would view as scam liabilities.
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Post Post #1988 (isolation #118) » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:34 am

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I’m sorry those two posts were so horribly produced. I blame speech to text when I’m shivering my hands off walking to work.
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Post Post #2077 (isolation #119) » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:01 am

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It’s something that RC and NSG have said in various games. I don’t know if NSG really believes in it but RC does.

I feel like I am wrong on Cheeky because I think I was one of two people even thinking Cheeky could be scum. Her reaction also felt like uber annoyed that she was getting suspected rather than scum caught. I feel more confident in my Dong read now
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Post Post #2081 (isolation #120) » Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:50 am

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In post 2078, Auro wrote:You don't care for Esp?
I feel like I’m getting a lot of Ate from Esp and that’s always been my blind spot. It’s possible he saw me and a couple of others start townreading Fish after the ate and that’s why Esp is doing it. I feel more confident in Dong
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Post Post #2094 (isolation #121) » Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:45 pm

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I mean lynch me so I can shit on you guy in the dead thread. If i was scum i would just go with an ESp lynch if i knew he was town. I think Dong has a better chance to be scum than esp. if you want to lynch him to test a gob/esp team that’s fine but might as well lynch me first if you all feel more certain about that
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Post Post #2105 (isolation #122) » Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:30 pm

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In post 1642, Espeonage wrote:Ok so to get back to the point I was making originally, your opinion of my stance changes on how much you agree with me? So if you agree with me I'm town and if you disagree with me I am scum?

Because that seems very wrong.

The point of your response was to argue that I didn't have a single logical explanation for voting FF over NSG which I have pointed out and then responded to your counterpoint, and now you are arguing that they are different bc you had a read change between them??!??

And no it isn't an oversimplification. There is going to be a game where a meta tell is wrong bc if not it'd be a trust tell. So no, there was nothing VALID that gave her any scum equity over any other lurker.
In post 1651, Espeonage wrote:
In post 1645, Dannflor wrote:eddie has commented that your attitude of hating this game/playerlist/life/universe all of D1 makes a lot more sense if you rolled scum with NSG
Nah. I hate white flag bc it's a terrible setup to be town in not because it's terrible to be scum in. I believe I argued it was mountainous with extra stuff for scum and everyone went you're an idiot.

I'm actually mad bc one of the only players I absolutely hate with a passion signed up for the large theme and bc it was at the bottom of our priority list (bc it's the biggest playlist) I got shunted to this god forsaken setup.

I mellowed out after Kitty called me out for being antisocial bc I actually feel really bad for being a dick out of game to her.
In post 1824, Espeonage wrote:Ok so I'm in a weird spot because my town reads at the moment include Cheeky and Dong.

That said I am also wresting with, if scum is leading the town at the moment which is 'feels' like, then the narrative of yesterday likely would have been different. I'm gonna try and wrap my head around that conundrum and come back with some theories because all the momentum stuff points to scum in the mid charisma tier if that makes sense.
In post 1825, Espeonage wrote:515 was the big one ya.
In post 1826, Espeonage wrote:Like if I was on a team that was serious about winning and I wanted to manipulate specific playlists then yeah I totally would. I can explain my reasoning on this post game bc I'm not sure if going head first in to it would break team mafia rules.
In post 1834, Espeonage wrote:Well really I want people to do my busywork bc I am work and play when I am bored. I barely open my computer at home.

Also quick fire; Asked you bc you were around. It's designed to help give me direction today bc I am feeling Conf bias-y and want to start afresh. Partly bc my scum reads are universally town read and partly bc my town reads are universally scum lent. So this is my starting again day 2 bc NSG has given us little bc she was super bussable and kitty kill was next to zero info as well. Like the only kills that would make sense in my head would have been kitty and maybe Ceph. I don't think anyone else would have been close.

Now mid charisma tier would be people who aren't leading but also aren't lurking. They maybe have the ear of a player or two. Less of a reflection on people as a whole, more about how people are this game. Like I would put Ceph, Dong, Myself, Cheeky, Kitty, Dunn here.
In post 1905, Espeonage wrote:The duck has offended me. :(

Ok let me put this together in a way that makes sense bc my wording is getting cyclical when I try and type it out and it would be really difficult for anyone else to parse.
In post 1981, Espeonage wrote:Dude I have been voting him for like this whole day.
In post 2026, Espeonage wrote:Alright.

Dann, can I talk to you for some real talk here bc you are running the town and while I don't think you are town, there is at least a decent chance you are and scum is other people in the list.

One of the things that reinforced my read on you was the fact that your duck Lynch pool post makes more sense as scum telling you how important my Lynch is which could be paraphrased. I refuse to believe a team as smart as yours isn't able to take a step back and go Espe thinks with some amount of certainty that one of these five players is scum, I am only one of them, so I don't need to try and shoot down the case. Like the fact that there is an overlap in our Lynch pools is really grinding on me because I do not see town you not compromising with me for a day or two. And I especially don't see duck letting you do that.

Now to FF, I am really really annoyed at the fact that you somehow think I am pushing you. I am not pushing you, haven't since day 1, but you are trapped in some sort of irrational paranoia that is about the only thing you have talked about all day.

@Dann quoting me, I haven't felt like FF should be lynched first since I went in to game solve. I didn't even really think it. It was an off topic post to what was being discussed bc at the time I felt it was true bc I still really wanted to get more info on Dunn. FF would have been a tool to that end.

If people want me to order my Lynch pool list my preferred order would be Dann, Hop, Auro, Dunn, FF.

With the proviso that not a single player that has come under medium to high level of scrutiny is lynched until at least two highly town read players. Because like I don't enjoy the term deep wolf, I am nest to certain in my Lynch pool list hitting scum at least once and god save this game if I am lynched and Dann or Dunn is scum.
Cheeky these are all the posts that I feel where ESP is being emotional. The tone and the language he uses seems very frustrated and it reads genuine to me. I don’t know if you have a different experience with Esp, but the way these posts sound, how frantic they are (a lot of his posts come in bursts 1-2 mins after one another), feels emotional to me. There’s also the different angles he is taking and I don’t think a scum in Esp’s position takes those angles. Like he doesn’t try to kill you, or Dann if his own lynch loses his faction the game
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Post Post #2132 (isolation #123) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:09 am

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In post 2108, CheekyTeeky wrote:Stuff it (pun intended)

VOTE: Gobbles
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Post Post #2133 (isolation #124) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:10 am

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In post 2130, CheekyTeeky wrote:Noone said gobbles/esp was a team so he's fine lynching espe to clear himself effectively spewing espe town.
I mean when you call a group of people scum, that’s the obvious logical conclusion that they could be scum together
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Post Post #2136 (isolation #125) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:43 am

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Because I don’t care about this game. If I’m gonna be lynched I would rather not waste anymore time on this game
Cheeky is gonna try her hardest to get me flipped like she tried her hardest to get anyone else but NSG flipped yesterday. I’m not really in the mood for it
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Post Post #2138 (isolation #126) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:47 am

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I mean giving up might be the worst possible thing for Turkey the player (and minorly for town with 3 lynches to burn), but it is definitely not the worst thing for Turkey the person.
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Post Post #2139 (isolation #127) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:54 am

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Like these possibilities exist
Turkey scum/esp scum
Turkey town/esp town
Turkey scum/esp town
Turkey town/esp scum

But she’s only fixated on one of those. If I am scum and esp is town, why do I not just lurk and let that happen? Esp was actively digging his own grave and pressure has only dissipated off him when I said no we should lynch Dong and now suddenly I’m scum again.

for me to be scum, I would have had to made objectively bad plays. I would have had to bus NSG pretty hard on Day 1 which is something scum DONT want to do in whiteflag. Moreover, I would have just prevented a mislynch by interjecting myself in it.

I offer cheeky a way to test her theory because my play today ONLY makes sense as Turkey scum/esp scum and suddenly now she wants to kill me. So I’m gonna let her. Let her have a big ol turkey egg on her face because endgame I will get to remind her that she tried very hard not to lynch obvscum NSG and then turned around and mislynched a town player the very next day.
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Post Post #2140 (isolation #128) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:56 am

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Either cheeky is bad town or she’s scum, yet this town is corralling around her and following her which makes no sense because so far her body of proof is very bad.
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Post Post #2141 (isolation #129) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:57 am

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So that’s why I don’t care. When the blind lead the blind, no matter how bright I turn on my flood lights, it accomplishes nothing
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Post Post #2144 (isolation #130) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:31 am

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The other people voting me?
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Post Post #2148 (isolation #131) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:35 am

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I mean I did say how it was false because my play this game makes no sense as scum play
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Post Post #2149 (isolation #132) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:35 am

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I literally was the first one to say if she started lurking she was scum. The first person.
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Post Post #2150 (isolation #133) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:36 am

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I wanted her to have enough noose to rope herself. I did this with her in alternating 9p
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Post Post #2152 (isolation #134) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:38 am

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Because I had seen scum NSG do this same exact thing in alternating 9p

Her meta is very, very obvious
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Post Post #2154 (isolation #135) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:40 am

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Because we had loud mouths like you and Dann saying otherwise
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Post Post #2156 (isolation #136) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:43 am

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I brought it up early because NSG meta is very... very... obvious...
In alternating 9p someone said if NSG lurks she is scum. I didn’t know it was that established that game, but it was. Then she lurked. Then we lynched her. Then she flipped scum.

This game she started it immediately by lurking. I think she was prodded by that point or almost prodded when I brought up her meta

Cheeky you’re approaching this like you want me to be scum rather than listening to my reasoning
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Post Post #2159 (isolation #137) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:48 am

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Cheeky. I literally just said why. I wanted her to have enough rope to trap herself. That also gives the side benefit of seeing who comes to her aid or defends her (her buddies)
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Post Post #2160 (isolation #138) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:50 am

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Whatever cheeky. Lynch me. I literally do not care. You just hard tunneled in Autobattler and I guess this is the same exact thing. I hope you get nightkilled if you’re town before you lose town another game
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Post Post #2162 (isolation #139) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:53 am

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In post 2161, CheekyTeeky wrote:Looking for NSG partners who were aware of her potential to lurk and who go onto bus, leaves the smoking gun in your hand.

You tried AtE yourself, failed, so now you're going with Apathy and zomg cheeky is bad. :roll:
Yup.
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Post Post #2164 (isolation #140) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:54 am

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I don’t know if you want a turkey pecking your ass, but ok
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Post Post #2166 (isolation #141) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:54 am

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yup
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Post Post #2168 (isolation #142) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:58 am

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I’m not going to self vote. I’m already on thin ice as it is
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Post Post #2248 (isolation #143) » Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:53 pm

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Can you guys please just listen to me

VOTE: Dongempire
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Post Post #2367 (isolation #144) » Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:41 am

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Dong in 2300 you said I was not scum. And then you corrected to put my name in the list of people that are scum?
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Post Post #2368 (isolation #145) » Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:44 am

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I’m really busy this week, culminating in the super bowl, but I will try my best to address all this
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Post Post #2370 (isolation #146) » Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:12 am

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Cheeky and her blood thirsty gang, what happens to your view of this game when I flip town? Who do you suspect after that? Where do you go from there? You all are banking very heavily on me flipping scum, but when that doesn’t happen, how will your view of this game change?
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Post Post #2373 (isolation #147) » Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:52 am

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In post 2371, Auro wrote:Dong.
??

Let’s just do that then.
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Post Post #2377 (isolation #148) » Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:20 am

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BBmolla, what is your read on Dong?
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Post Post #2579 (isolation #149) » Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:06 am

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Yay you guys didn't lynch me. I will have more time to do this after tomorrow.
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Post Post #2702 (isolation #150) » Sun Feb 02, 2020 6:08 am

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Almost available!

Fish, I think that’s a not totally accurate take on my personality. When I’m on and I know I’m on, what you said is true. See Mainstream Mafia II, Baker’s Cult Mini, or Nom’s Gordon Ramsay.

When I’m not on and I know, I very much do not play the same. See Menalque’s Mini Normal. Baker’s Large theme. My various newbie games.
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Post Post #2848 (isolation #151) » Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:35 pm

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I’m here! My busy weeks are over thank goodness. I am cooking and cleaning right now but I have been slowing writing a post when I can over the last week so I’ll post that when I sit down at the computer
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Post Post #2849 (isolation #152) » Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:35 pm

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I’m pretty much starting this game over tabula rasa style. Going to treat it as if I’m a replacement
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Post Post #2852 (isolation #153) » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:54 pm

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Still working on the vca, which is what I was working on.

But my team and I think that a good starting point is BBmolla and Fish are town with how Day 1 played out at the end. I would be very surprised if the town was that accurate to nab all three scum at the tail end of Day 1. That said, BBmolla in my eyes HAS to be town because he was the direct counter wagon to scum NSG. Fish also in my eyes is probably town because NSG was the counterwagon to him. If they are both scum that means both those wagons had to be town driven which I think is unlikely given the main drivers of the BBmolla wagon were at the time voting Fish.


From there things get really hard for my team and I.

EP thinks that scum is within {Dong, Auro, Dann}. Menalque thinks scum is within {Cheeky, Dong, Dann}

I keep going back and forth between thinking like a Dong/Auro team or a Cheeky/Dann team. If it is Cheeky/Dann I think town just loses. EP did posit that at this stage he thinks scum are likely to hard bus to make associatives look better. I am a little bit more inclined to go with EP’s group because he has been reading a bit more of my game but pretty much my team is dealing with their own stuff and not really paying attention to anyone’s games super attentively.

My real problem is with the {Auro, Cheeky, Dann} group because I think that at least one of them should have died by now. I thought all of them were townier and presented more of a threat individually + as megaphones for their team than either KittyMo or Dunnstral and looking at Ceph’s lack of enthusiasm as the game moved forward, him too. My team has been going back and forth on whether it’s likely the kills were done in a way to kill the “second block” of towniest players because the “first block of towniest players” contains a scum.

I do think that to solve this game the answer lies in the wagon analysis because bussing in white flag is tantamount to suicide. EP does want to remind me that apparently as the game gets closer to end, bussing becomes more prevalent though to throw off associatives
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Post Post #2853 (isolation #154) » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:54 pm

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Oh wow that’s funny we all were posting at the same time
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Post Post #2854 (isolation #155) » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:55 pm

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Honestly Dann, I put very little stock in you or your teams reads because from my perspective of team mafia, they have been trash directed at us.
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Post Post #2855 (isolation #156) » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:55 pm

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In post 2851, BBmolla wrote:VOTE: Gobbles
Why?
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Post Post #2859 (isolation #157) » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:00 pm

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In post 2856, BBmolla wrote:Dann who would gobbles partner be

Both Auro and Cheeky have continuously been on turkey

FF is town

Titus wants either Auro or Cheeky. Believes them to be scum, my issue is I can’t name a game where two last scum were in top 3 posters
You were just in one with Pisskop as second highest poster as scum in micromence vengeful like a month ago lol
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Post Post #2862 (isolation #158) » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:01 pm

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In post 2857, BBmolla wrote:
In post 2855, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 2851, BBmolla wrote:VOTE: Gobbles
Why?
You’ve been sitting around two days

Most painful loss here is against you as scum when you lurked two days

But yeah I can’t come up with a reasonable partner

UNVOTE:
It would be but I’m not scum. At this point lynching me is the LEAST productive thing or beneficial thing you all can do because I’m back and contributing.
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Post Post #2864 (isolation #159) » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:02 pm

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In post 2861, BBmolla wrote:Mafia being on top 3 posters is common. Being 2/3 in top 3 is rare.
If I’m right about Dong this could make sense.
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Post Post #2870 (isolation #160) » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:05 pm

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I would like us to not speed through today. I am going out drinking tomorrow night and Friday night, but I have a lot of availability on Saturday and Sunday if we all can try to be on those days. I know it’s the weekend and mafia is just a game but I would like a bit more real time interaction with you all.

I will be here during the early mornings on Thursday and Friday though.
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Post Post #2875 (isolation #161) » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:08 pm

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In post 2872, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 2866, BBmolla wrote:I’m apparently the only one who thinks Dong is scummy so I figured it must be playstyle
Right so you townread Dong because they're too scummy to be scum kinda thing?
If that’s true, Bb, we just saw with Nicholas how this is a problematic thought process :/
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Post Post #2878 (isolation #162) » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:09 pm

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Ok. Good night. Love you all, thank you for not lynching me when I was AWOL but now let’s win the game
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Post Post #2900 (isolation #163) » Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:26 pm

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I apologize if I offended you Dann. Ian just salty that a l out of my frustrations across the whole of tm has come at the hands of your team

I do think you’re underselling yourself and your capabilities as scum though. The incredulousness at people suspecting you of all people for being alive is worrying considering this is how you won Pine v Ali
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Post Post #3104 (isolation #164) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:30 am

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I went to bed and now there’s so many new posts ;_;
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Post Post #3105 (isolation #165) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:31 am

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Cheeky can you please unvote yourself.
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Post Post #3108 (isolation #166) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:43 am

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Not the next hour but the hour after that! I have a long commute unfortunately. But when I get to work I’m the first one there and have more time to talk.

Is there anything you want to discuss quickly before I leave?
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Post Post #3110 (isolation #167) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:46 am

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First thing I said. I then tried to look for what page I left on and saw cheeky had votes herself
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Post Post #3111 (isolation #168) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:46 am

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I still haven’t fully read day yesterday
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Post Post #3113 (isolation #169) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:49 am

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In post 3103, Auro wrote:Yes, there's
lots
of strong evidence that Dann's town.
Have you already explained this in your iso?
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Post Post #3115 (isolation #170) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:52 am

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It’s color coded vca and brief analysis on that. The color coding takes forever but when I am not driving I will
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Post Post #3121 (isolation #171) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:06 am

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In post 3119, Auro wrote:
In post 3113, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 3103, Auro wrote:Yes, there's
lots
of strong evidence that Dann's town.
Have you already explained this in your iso?
Maybe in parts. But I don't expect good-faith engagement from Cheeky, and Dong/FF will only contribute more noise and call me a Dann buddy for it, so I didn't bother. Once I clear my concerns about you, I'd be happy to discuss.
I don’t get why we can’t discuss it and just ignore the others
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Post Post #3125 (isolation #172) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:19 am

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Why weren’t you voting at the end of the day there, Auro
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Post Post #3133 (isolation #173) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:17 am

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These colors are from my team and I's perspective. As stated earlier, we think that Fish and BB are probably town due to the fact that their wagons popped up as resistance to the NSG wagon, which makes sense in this game mode as scum do not want to bus.
In post 157, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
wguerts - 4
(
Kittymo
, Dannflor,
northsidegal
, Auro)
KittyMo
- 2
(wgeurts,
Hopkirk
)
Dannflor - 1
(Formerfish)

Formerfish
- 1
(Dongempire)
Hopkirk
- 1
(
gobbledygook
)
Auro - 1
(Cephrir)

gobbledygook
- 1
(Dunnstral
)

Not Voting - 2
(
Espeonage
,
Joan of Arc
)

Activity Check - Start of Day


Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)


With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch
In post 216, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
KittyMo
- 2
(wgeurts,
Hopkirk
)
Formerfish
- 2
(Dongempire, Dannflor)
wguerts - 1
(
northsidegal
)
Dannflor - 1
(
Formerfish
)
Hopkirk
- 1
(
gobbledygook
)
Auro - 1
(
Cephrir
)
gobbledygook
- 1
(
Dunnstral
)
Cephrir
- 1
(Auro)
Dunnstral
- 1
(
Kittymo
)

Not Voting - 2
(Espeonage, Joan of Arc)


Activity Check - Prodding Espeonage, northsidegal


Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)


With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch
In post 247, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
Cephrir
- 2
(Auro, Dongempire)
Auro - 2
(Cephrir, Hopkirk)

KittyMo
- 1
(wgeurts)
Formerfish
- 1
(Dannflor)
wguerts - 1
(northsidegal)

Dannflor - 1
(Formerfish)

Hopkirk - 1
(gobbledygook)

gobbledygook
- 1
(
Dunnstral)

Dunnstral
- 1
(Kittymo)


Not Voting - 2
(Espeonage, Joan of Arc)

Activity Check - Prodding Joan of Arc


Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)


With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch
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Vote Count
Cephrir
- 3
(Auro, Dongempire, Dannflor)
Auro - 3
(
Cephrir, Hopkirk, Espeonage)

gobbledygook
- 2
(Dunnstral, Joan of Arc)

KittyMo
- 1
(wgeurts)
wguerts - 1
(northsidegal)

Dannflor - 1
(Formerfish)

Hopkirk
- 1
(gobbledygook)

Dunnstral
- 1
(Kittymo)


Not Voting - 0
( )

Activity Check - Prodding Dongempire and wguerts


Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)


With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch
In post 381, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
Auro - 4
(
Cephrir, Hopkirk, Espeonage, Formerfish)

Formerfish
- 3
(
Dunnstral
, Auro, Dannflor
Cephrir
- 1
(Dongempire)
gobbledygook
- 1
(Joan of Arc)

KittyMo - 1
(wgeurts)
wguerts - 1
(northsidegal)

Dunnstral
- 1
(Kittymo)

Dongempire - 1
(
gobbledygook)


Not Voting - 0
( )

Activity Check - Prodding Joan of Arc and wguerts


Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)


With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch
In post 508, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
Auro - 4
(Cephrir, Hopkirk, Espeonage, Formerfish)

Dongempire - 2
(
gobbledygook,
Dannflor)
Formerfish
- 1
(
Dunnstral
)
Cephrir
- 1
(Dongempire)
gobbledygook
- 1
(Joan of Arc)

KittyMo
- 1
(wgeurts)
wguerts - 1
(northsidegal)

Dunnstral
- 1
(Kittymo)


Not Voting - 1
(Auro)

Activity Check - Replacing Joan of Arc


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With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch
In post 539, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
Auro - 4
(
Cephrir, Hopkirk, Espeonage, Formerfish)

Dongempire - 2
(
gobbledygook
, Dannflor)
Cephrir
- 1
(Dongempire)
gobbledygook - 1
(Joan of Arc)

KittyMo
- 1
(CheekyTeeky)
wguerts - 1
(northsidegal)

Dunnstral
- 1
(Kittymo)


Not Voting - 2
(Auro, Dunnstral)

Activity Check - Replacing Joan of Arc, prodding goobledygook


Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)
In post 659, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
northsidegal
- 3
(
Cephrir,
Dannflor,
Hopkirk)

Auro - 2
(Espeonage, Formerfish)

Dongempire - 2
(gobbledygook, BBMolla)

Cephrir
- 1
(Dongempire)
wguerts - 1
(northsidegal)

Dunnstral
- 1
(
Kittymo)

Formerfish
- 1
(CheekyTeeky)

Not Voting - 2
(Auro,
Dunnstral)


Activity Check - All Good!


Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)
In post 810, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
northsidegal
- 3
(
Cephrir, Hopkirk, Kittymo)

Auro - 2
(Espeonage, Formerfish)

Dongempire - 2
(gobbledygook, BBMolla)

CheekyTeeky - 1
(northsidegal)

BBMolla
- 1
(CheekyTeeky)
gobbledygook
- 1
(Dunnstral)

Espeonage
- 1
(Dannflor)

Not Voting - 2
(Auro, Dongempire)

Activity Check - All Good!


Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)
In post 922, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
northsidegal
- 3
(Cephrir, Hopkirk, Kittymo)

Auro - 2
(Espeonage, Formerfish)

Dongempire - 2
(gobbledygook, BBMolla)

CheekyTeeky - 1
(northsidegal)

gobbledygook
- 1
(
Dunnstral)

Espeonage
- 1
(Dannflor)
Formerfish
- 1
(CheekyTeeky)

Not Voting - 2
(Auro, Dongempire)

Activity Check - Prodding northsidegal


Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)
In post 1267, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
northsidegal
- 5
(
Kittymo, Cephrir, Dunnstral, Formerfish, gobbledygook)

Formerfish
- 4
(
BBMolla,
northsidega
l, Dannflor,
Espeonage)

gobbledygook
- 1
(Hopkirk)


Not Voting - 3
(Auro, CheekyTeeky, Dongempire)

Activity Check - All Good!


Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)
EP thinks this votecount is one of the most important ones as NSG finally moves her vote to someone other than the Wgeurts/Cheeky slot and it is on Formerfish right as her own wagon swells. I agree. I think this move of her vote makes it more likely that NSG was trying to swing a mislynch onto Fish as a counter to her own wagon. I think this swell also shows that scum need to commit to a NSG lynch possibility.

After this, we get the flash wagon on BBmolla, but the interim VC looks something like this
northsidegal
- 7
(
Kittymo, Cephrir, Dunnstral, Formerfish, gobbledygook
)
Formerfish
- 2
(
BBmolla
,
northsidegal,
Dannflor,
Espeonage,
Dongempire)
gobbledygook
- 1
(
Hopkirk
)

Not Voting - 1
(Auro, Cheeky)
Here you see that Dong has placed the Fish wagon in direct contention with the NSG wagon.


This wagon is then followed up with the flash wagon on BBmolla
BBmolla
- 5
CheekyTeeky, Dannflor,
Cephrir, Formerfish
, Dongempire
northsidegal
- 4
(
Kittymo, Dunnstral, gobbledygook, BBmolla
,)
Formerfish
- 2
northsidegal
,
Espeonage

gobbledygook
- 1
(Hopkirk)


Not Voting - 2
(Auro, CheekyTeeky)
This now shows that there were TWO competing wagons to scum NSG which makes me think that scum was desperately trying to save NSG because 1) it is White Flag and bussing puts them at a massive deficit, 2) it is NSG, 3) her team has RC. It is plausible that scum saw even getting at least one mislynch out of NSG's life is worth it because she has the capability of getting herself out of this hole.

However, I think that scum probably saw the short sightedness of that and after BBmolla reacted the way he did at L-2 would have painted everyone on the BB wagon in a bad light.
In post 1523, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
northsidegal
- 7
(
Kittymo, Dunnstral, gobbledygook, BBMolla
, Dannflor,
Cephrir
, Dongempire)
Formerfish
- 2
(
northsidegal
,
Espeonage
)
BBMolla
- 2
(CheekyTeeky,
Formerfish
)
gobbledygook
- 1
(Hopkirk)


Not Voting - 1
(Auro)

Activity Check - Lynch at #1460


Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)
In post 1646, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
Hopkirk
- 3
(
BBMolla
, CheekyTeeky,
Cephrir
)
Espeonage
- 1
(Dannflor)
CheekyTeeky - 1
(
gobbledygook
)
Cephrir
- 1
(Dongempire)
Dannflor - 1
(
Espeonage
)

Not Voting - 11
(Auro,
Dunnstral, Formerfish, Hopkirk
)

Activity Check - Start of Day


Deadline: (expired on 2020-02-02 13:30:00)


With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to Lynch
In post 1854, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
Espeonage
- 4
(Dannflor, CheekyTeeky,
Dunnstral
, Auro)
Hopkirk
- 2
(
BBMolla, Cephrir
)
CheekyTeeky - 1
(Dongempire)
Dannflor - 1
(
Espeonage
)
Dongempire - 1
(
gobbledygook
)

Not Voting - 2
(
Formerfish, Hopkirk
)

Activity Check - All Good!


Deadline: (expired on 2020-02-02 13:30:00)


With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to Lynch
In post 2067, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
Espeonage
- 4
(Dannflor, CheekyTeeky,
Cephrir, Dunnstral
)
Dongempire - 2
(
gobbledygook, Formerfish
)
CheekyTeeky - 1
(Dongempire)
Hopkirk
- 1
(
Espeonage
)


Not Voting - 3
(Auro,
BBMolla, Hopkirk)


Activity Check - All Good!


Deadline: (expired on 2020-02-02 13:30:00)


With 11 Alive, it takes 6 to Lynch
EP wants me to note that Auro remained uninvolved in the whole counter wagon situation despite being there when the wagons between Fish and NSG reached parity. He thinks this makes it more likely that Auro is scum waiting for the town to decide one way or another. If that is true, the way Dong and Auro have interacted earlier today would make sense as scum buddies. I think we should probably kill Dong because the evidence is stronger against him

As I said last night, I really think that the key to winning here is analyzing the Fish > NSG > BBmolla > NSG patterns. I will shout until the cows come home that those counter wagons to NSG had scum. The issue is that there also has to be a townie involved which is why I think scum are not killing within the vocal players because if they kill the townie involved in that situation it might lead town directly to the scum.

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Post Post #3137 (isolation #174) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:01 am

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In post 1300, Dannflor wrote:
Formerfish - 5
(BBMolla, northsidegal, Dannflor, Espeonage, Dongempire)
northsidegal - 5
(Kittymo, Cephrir, Dunnstral, Formerfish, gobbledygook)
gobbledygook - 1
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Not Voting - 2
(Auro, CheekyTeeky)

for reference

Cheeky, Auro, I think you should vote FF
In post 1304, Auro wrote:How long to deadline?
In post 1306, Auro wrote:Small observation: NSG pushed FF when Gobble was the counterwagon, but Gobble is pushing NSG when she's the counterwagon.
In post 1308, Auro wrote:FF, I'm still undecided: can we talk?
In post 1313, Auro wrote:
In post 1309, Formerfish wrote:Sure, I'm not sure how productive it'll be right now.
That's fine. Would you be giving a detailed readslist of all slots?
In post 1314, Auro wrote:Be fine*
This is what EP is referencing, Auro. You were there when the NSG wagon happened.
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Post Post #3138 (isolation #175) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:02 am

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Actually, after I read through those posts around that time it looks like Auro is trying to chain lynch NSG into Gobble since Day 1.
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Post Post #3139 (isolation #176) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:07 am

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In post 3120, CheekyTeeky wrote:
In post 3117, Auro wrote:it's believable that this is an NSG bus, no? Her FF vote was half-assed without any case, just said "this is likeliest to hit scum".
It'd work for either of them if they were both scum because they both ride towncred. The issue with that is in FF not voting her. If it were an attempted bus clear on FF then wouldn't FF also vote her for towncred? Obviously if they're both scum they would prefer the NSG lynch. FF voted BB right?
Why do you think they would prefer an NSG lynch?
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Post Post #3141 (isolation #177) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:14 am

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In post 3140, Auro wrote:
In post 3138, gobbledygook wrote:You were there when the NSG wagon happened.
The first NSG wagon, yes. I'm referring to the final NSG lynch wagon. At the point you quoted, I was still torn between FF and NSG.
gobbledygook wrote:Actually, after I read through those posts around that time it looks like Auro is trying to chain lynch NSG into Gobble since Day 1.
Okay, so this would be equivalent to me voting NSG, yeah?
I mean, you can say that, but it isn't helping your case from my perspective.
This type of soft push is exactly what I would expect to see from a scum buddy who doesn't want to actually kill their scumbuddy, but wants to appear like they did.

Why were you torn between Fish and NSG?
Why do you townread Dong?
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Post Post #3143 (isolation #178) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:12 am

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In post 3134, Auro wrote:
In post 3133, gobbledygook wrote:EP wants me to note that
Auro remained uninvolved in the whole counter wagon situation despite being there when the wagons between Fish and NSG reached parity.
He thinks this makes it more likely that Auro is scum waiting for the town to decide one way or another. If that is true, the way Dong and Auro have interacted earlier today would make sense as scum buddies. I think we should probably kill Dong because the evidence is stronger against him
Incorrect. I laid an L-1 vote on FF, unvoted later, and was not present during the Molla wagoning + NSG wagoning which took place in a few hours. The votecount at FF's L-1 is missing.
I’m confused Auro. Are you saying you wanted NSG when you unvoted Fish?
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Post Post #3148 (isolation #179) » Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:59 am

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In post 3144, Auro wrote:Yes, I believe I must have made the "NSG might be a better lynch, lost heart in FF" post around that point.
I’m still grappling with this.

You put Fish at L-1, then unvote. A day later and 200 posts later you are saying you want an NSG lynch but don’t want to put her at L-1.

I don’t get why you wouldn’t even vote NSG at that time especially when her wagon and Fish’s wagon were in direct competition with one another. If you were afraid of ending day, why even put Fish at L-1?
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Post Post #3199 (isolation #180) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:17 am

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Auro why did you ignore my most recent question to you?
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Post Post #3201 (isolation #181) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:26 am

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In post 3189, Auro wrote:His solve that scum are in "first tier townreads" is incongruent with his tone - town thinking this wouldn't relax if they actually believed this, especially when said "first tier townreads but actually scum" are baying for their blood.

I don't think there's a single towngame where he behaves this way.
What? How is my solve incongruent? Why would you expect me to be panicked or hyper posting?
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Post Post #3204 (isolation #182) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:37 am

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I think it’s Auro/Dong
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Post Post #3227 (isolation #183) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:06 am

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In post 3206, Auro wrote:
In post 3168, Auro wrote:
In post 3148, gobbledygook wrote:You put Fish at L-1, then unvote. A day later and 200 posts later you are saying you want an NSG lynch but don’t want to put her at L-1.

I don’t get why you wouldn’t even vote NSG at that time especially when her wagon and Fish’s wagon were in direct competition with one another. If you were afraid of ending day, why even put Fish at L-1?
Mildly incorrect - did I say I didn't want to put her at L-1? I simply just didn't.

I wasn't afraid of ending the day at that point. L-1 FF was more of a reaction vote.

I don't think there was any danger of FF being lynched towards the end of D1; if they were still both at L-2 it would make more sense for me to lay a vote just to prevent FF lynch.

The lack of vote, etc is pretty awkward, right? As scum I'd prolly be more conscious of how my vote is in play, and prolly plan out a better trajectory regardless of who's getting lynched.

I don't see why you're so fixated on this alone - is there nothing else in this game that interests you?
@Gobbles.
TY. I don’t know how I missed this.

By the way, even if I was scum, I wouldn’t just lolhammer anyone who got to L-1, so I’m not sure what this is all supposed to accomplish.
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Post Post #3233 (isolation #184) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:14 am

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Auro: Why would you lay a vote to prevent an FF lynch when I’m accusing you of being an NSG buddy, or is that a typo?
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Post Post #3244 (isolation #185) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:27 am

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Cheeky, it was the vca. The color coding is very cumbersome.

Auro if you are town, I think Dong + Dann/Cheeky/Fish/BBmolla in that order of likelihood.
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Post Post #3246 (isolation #186) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:28 am

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In post 3234, Auro wrote:I mean lay a vote on FF to hope he gets lynched over NSG.
Sorry to belabor this point, but this is the revised statement concerning those actions right? Your big post had that comment incorrectly stated?
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Post Post #3247 (isolation #187) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:29 am

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Why is Dann lock town Auro
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Post Post #3248 (isolation #188) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:29 am

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Can we have that discussion now
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Post Post #3249 (isolation #189) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:31 am

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Hnnnnnngh the ease of Auro’s wagon makes me feel bad about this

Can we please back off before it even gets to be the weekend
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Post Post #3256 (isolation #190) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:37 am

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In post 3254, Auro wrote:Ohh. I read the OP. Yes, to prevent NSG* lynch. We're talking in the hypothetical that she's my partner, so yeah ofc NSG* :P
I thought I was going crazy, thank you for clarifying this.
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Post Post #3257 (isolation #191) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:51 am

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Fish and Dong, who do you think Auro’s partner is?
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Post Post #3259 (isolation #192) » Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:52 am

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That's adorable. Have fun!
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Post Post #3300 (isolation #193) » Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:34 am

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Auro I will be around in 3 hours. Doing house work and the like right now.
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Post Post #3303 (isolation #194) » Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:53 am

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Auro, will be here momentarily. Need to get setup at computer.
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Post Post #3308 (isolation #195) » Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:55 am

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Cheeky is someone that my little birds have been saying has a high possibility to be scum given that she’s been a driving factor on all of the town wagons so far.

I think she’s probably town given her emotional posting since Day 1. That said, I really hated the self vote today. That is something I used to do all the time as scum on my homesite.

I also may be drinking too much wine but I thought she would have been nightkilled already. I really think that there’s something to the nightkills despite you disagreeing with that premise.
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Post Post #3309 (isolation #196) » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:09 am

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Why do you say Cheeky is likely to be scum independent of who hammers you?
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Post Post #3311 (isolation #197) » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:15 am

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In post 3310, Auro wrote:Okay - this is a big ask, but emotional posting seems like something that can be verified in meta - have you checked to see that she only does this as town? If we were to skim her scum games, and find that she's a very... emotional player there as well, would that change your mind?

What's the degree of confidence in your scumread of me?
Confidence is low across the board except for BB I would say.

30% for you being scum. 50-60 for Dong.

It would change my mind. I just lost to Cheeky scum and she didn’t seem emotional in that game. She seemed very matter of fact.
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Post Post #3315 (isolation #198) » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:24 am

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In post 3313, Auro wrote:Ok. I'll try meta diving to cross-check her behavior - I think it shouldn't be time consuming. Would you be willing to do it too?

Who would Dong's partner be? What's your basis for scumreading Dong? Assume Auro town and Dong town; who then?
Then I think Dann/Cheeky/Fish has to contain both scum, which is just depressing to think about.
I would be willing. You’ve already sort of seen her scum game though because I think you linked it as a game for my town game. Micromence Vengeful
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Post Post #3316 (isolation #199) » Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:25 am

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In post 3314, Auro wrote:Why are you happy with having your reads at low confidence? Aren't there things you want to engage upon with other slots? I've read your previous towngames and observed that you're a pretty competent scumhunter; you haven't done this yet in this game, nowhere near the same degree at least - can I expect you to start now, and not just with my slot?
What gives you the impression im happy about them being low confidence? I tend to focus on certain things for a while and then move to another thing to focus on. It’s easier for me to process games that way.
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