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[farside22]

Ick. Pressed reply by accident.

What I meant is that if anyone found something of note in the Max lynch they would have said it already.

You never stated that in your post vote. You just said it was a waste. Now you think his reaction odd or you think it is both?

[armlx]

Do you think it would be informative if I was lynched and flipped town? If so, how?

This is just a set up for a straw man. Our argument is not that you would be a good info lynch if town, but that you are scum.

[Cass]

Well, of course it is. (Or should be.) But the same goes for my argument and my vote.

Also Farside trying to attack me on the use of the word 'safer' seems pretty far-fetched. (Or should I say 'reaching'?) Of course there's no safe choice. I never said there is.

[farside22]

Well, of course it is. (Or should be.) But the same goes for my argument and my vote.

Also

Farside trying to attack me on the use of the word 'safer'

seems pretty far-fetched. (Or should I say 'reaching'?) Of course there's no safe choice. I never said there is.

That was not me.

[Cass]

Well, of course it is. (Or should be.) But the same goes for my argument and my vote.

Also

Farside trying to attack me on the use of the word 'safer'

seems pretty far-fetched. (Or should I say 'reaching'?) Of course there's no safe choice. I never said there is.

That was not me.

Oh, sorry you're right, it was Shadowgirl. I knew I should have quoted... I think I need to stop staring at the screen for a bit

[strife220]

What ShadowGirls opinon on dcorbe is

With the posts he's made he hasn't been scumhunting very aggressively, and as I've been in other games with him I find this a bit odd. He seems to want to veer away from the Max lynch by deeming it's a waste of time, but so is arguing over whether to look at it or not.

This is interesting. Shadowgirl's meta seems to be in contrast to farside's and armix's.

Armix/Farside, do you disagree with this statement made by Shadowgirl? Is dcorbe a more active scumhunter in the other games where he flipped townie?

[farside22]

What ShadowGirls opinon on dcorbe is

With the posts he's made he hasn't been scumhunting very aggressively, and as I've been in other games with him I find this a bit odd. He seems to want to veer away from the Max lynch by deeming it's a waste of time, but so is arguing over whether to look at it or not.

This is interesting. Shadowgirl's meta seems to be in contrast to farside's and armix's.

Armix/Farside, do you disagree with this statement made by Shadowgirl? Is dcorbe a more active scumhunter in the other games where he flipped townie?

He has improved somewhat, but still isn't the best scumhunter.

[armlx]

What ShadowGirls opinon on dcorbe is

With the posts he's made he hasn't been scumhunting very aggressively, and as I've been in other games with him I find this a bit odd. He seems to want to veer away from the Max lynch by deeming it's a waste of time, but so is arguing over whether to look at it or not.

This is interesting. Shadowgirl's meta seems to be in contrast to farside's and armix's.

Armix/Farside, do you disagree with this statement made by Shadowgirl? Is dcorbe a more active scumhunter in the other games where he flipped townie?

He has improved somewhat, but still isn't the best scumhunter.

This.

Also, Cass, my point is why would you care if we would be voting you based on the results if you are town. If you can't refute why we think you are scum, why should we unvote you.

[farside22]

I see dcorbe is being replaced in some games

Mod you may want to look into this:

Until the mod finds someone. I think out of the 3 people I think dcorbe is scum buddies with Cass/Grimmy is the scummies. From the post where dcorbe call's grimmy scum to Cass's comments on showing dcorbe or me as scum. His points were more against dcorbe where the best he has against me is my emotional outburst.

unvote:
vote Cass

[LlamaFluff]

Its claim or die time from Cass first off.

Also to cass. I am not voting you based on the thought that if you flip town it points us directly towards scum. I am voting you based on the information I have says that you are scum. Armix is right, that question sets up for strawmanning our case.

[strife220]

Guess I'll have to re-read Cass more closely. Really wanted dcorbe to have a say today

Unvote

while I develop a stronger opinion on the Cass-lynch.

[Cass]

Its claim or die time from Cass first off.

Also to cass. I am not voting you based on the thought that if you flip town it points us directly towards scum. I am voting you based on the information I have says that you are scum. Armix is right, that question sets up for strawmanning our case.

Look, I know it was not the kind of question you were going to answer. The main reason I asked it was because someone asked me the same question, and it annoyed me quite a bit. As it obviously annoys you too. Which I completely understand...

I asked it to make exactly the point you make: we all vote because we think we found scum, not because it'd be so interesting to see them flip town.

Its claim or die time from Cass first off.

I am a vanilla townie.

[armlx]

Yeah, lynch should proceed.

[Cass]

Yeah, lynch should proceed.

And you just can't wait to get the town into LyLo.
Seriously, unless all town players already know who they'd vote in LyLo, I advise to keep this discussion going for a bit. (Naturally, I also advise to lynch a scum instead of me. That would work even better.)

So, looks like a stand-off and Strife gets to decide. Strife, what I ask you is to please ask lots of questions to all of the players before you decide on anything.

[armlx]

Your claim does nothing to refute the case on you. Also, appeal to emotion on the LyLo thing, and pretty much the entire rest of your post.

[skitzer]

Vote Count 10 of Day 2

(3) farside22 (dcorbe, ShadowGirl, Cass)
(3) Cass (armlx, LlamaFluff, farside22)
(0) dcorbe
(0) ShadowGirl
(0) LlamaFluff
(0) strife220
(0) armlx

(1) Not Voting (strife220)

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to lynch!

Replacing dcorbe.

10th Vote Count, deadline time.

Deadline is set for Thursday, July 24th.

[strife220]

Re-read on Grimmy leaves me a little dry. This post pings my scumdar:

My list of suspects consist of those who voted for MAX's lynch. But because max was...well...Max...it is not nearly enough to cast a vote.

Ill reread and come up with a suspect later

Grimmy
we are down by 2 now...dammit

Not a fan of his crappy suspect list. Not a fan of the 'dammit'


His pbpa on dcorbe was... strange.



He was doing a decent amount of lurking, not contributing a ton, and had one particularly scummy post. I don't know if I'm happy enough to see him lynched for that.

Up next: Cass

[strife220]

Re-read on Cass:

*Intro note* I am Not happy with voting a player because another player may have been bussing them and slipped that they knew the bussee would flip scum. This was a minor point in my case against dcorbe that I felt wasn't of particular value unless dcorbe flipped scum.*


She fumbles a little on trying to decide who is scummier, dcorbe or Farside.

I'm not really happy with her connecting Farside and Armix, but that's more general mafia philosophy. She makes a few interesting points and she reaches to a few.


I'm not a fan of these kinds of posts:

If she's town - well, it's hard to give actual examples before the fact, but I feel it would be more interesting than dcorbe flipping town (though much less so than dcorbe flipping scum, obviously). Knowing her alignment would give me a much clearer view on this game and all its interactions.

. Without giving reasoning, it could be preparing for an inevitable town-flip. With giving reasoning, it could be lining up lynches. Scum have a good motivation to say these things - town, not so much.



Reflection: Neither Grimmy nor Cass does scream scum to me. There are a few strikes against them but I feel these are huge deals. Unless there are points against her that I missed upon re-read, I'd be happier hammering Farside. On my initial re-read, she did some things that shouted out to me (backing off dcorbe after the claim, freaking out at armix). I'm not sure how much I discussed this on my initial re-read post, so I'll have to go back and see.

[Cass]

Your claim does nothing to refute the case on you. Also, appeal to emotion on the LyLo thing, and pretty much the entire rest of your post.

My claim indeed doesn't, nothing I can do or say against that. I do not see how my post was an appeal on emotion though. If a townie is lynched now, we face LyLo. That's a cold fact. So I ask for some more discussion before this very important decision. Sounds reasonable to me?

@Strife: I agree Grimmy made some pretty scummy posts (mainly the one you quote). I don't really know how to defend against that. No idea what he was trying to do there.
I fumble indeed, because there is so little evidence to go on (the lynch and the nightkill N1 were particularly uninformative), so yes, I am paranoid about killing the wrong person. I've no power role and therefor no evidence for anything. And maybe I talk too much and only make my cases vaguer and more confusing in the process...

[farside22]

I already have beat to death why I was upset at the manor in which Armlx attacked me. I think I just need thicker skin when it comes to things. If that is the only thing you have against me it's a poor reason because everyone gets upset at people when they are attacked or under pressure. To me it does not equate to scum.

[armlx]

If a townie is lynched now, we face LyLo. That's a cold fact. So I ask for some more discussion before this very important decision. Sounds reasonable to me?

Except you are in no way know to be a townie, and you are waving that scenario around so that we can be scared out of lynching you.

[skitzer]

Goatrevolt replaces dcorbe.

[Goatrevolt]

Hey all. I should be able to read through the thread sometime today.

[LlamaFluff]

@strife - Cass is the play today, especially with your logic. If you believe the cass-dcorbe pairing I see no reason for you to be even considering a farside vote her. I honestly still dont even see any of the case against farside yet, who I have leaning town.

@goat - welcome, just to let you know you are on an L-1 wagon right now

[Goatrevolt]

@goat - welcome, just to let you know you are on an L-1 wagon right now

Unvote

Reading through I'm on page 5 right now. Jtdyer is the scummiest player to me in my read thus far.