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[Gammagooey]

Speaking of gut my gut says Gamma is scum

I'll tell you I'm definitely not as in-sync with the game as I think I normally am

I usually try harder to get wagons started and pressure people and make things happen but aside from getting the wagon started on Elements it feels like putting in much extra effort into the game for things like that would just make the game more unreadable and worse

There's a pretty big disconnect from my perspective on how much content there is in this game and how much is actually useful to reading anyone, so I'd personally like to let the game breathe for a little bit and let the people who haven't dominated the conversation for a while come in with their opinions on the game. I've shared what I think generally once a day or so and I think that people can at least start to form a read on me based on that, though it's clearly not a lot given that it's still early day 1.

I guess I'm kind of rambling a bit but as I've mentioned I'm a little tired of dealing with everything that's going on in this game. I do encourage you to get some other player's opinions of me though - I kind of doubt people will have strong opinions on me but at least I'm not terribly hard to iso so you can hopefully pull a few lurker-opinions out of it and maybe get some fresh takes that will get people away from focusing on nom and volpe arguing with each other when I think they're both town.

Heading home, I'll be back on prob lateish tonight. I'll probably also sound less dreary by then since I'll actually get to do something fun for a few hours so that might be nice too!

and you've already unvoted by the time I've tried to post this

I still think you should maybe bug people about me and get those takes I mentioned but sure dave's still a scumread of mine so
VOTE: dave

[chennisden]

I would say my read on you is likely to continue to fluctuate, but yes I will bug people on reads for you

Also I think your reaction to being scumread is a lot more natural than Dave's

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh yeah Jingle had a Q.

Basically hood things.

[nomnomnom]

We can only commute people outside the hood, for the record.

Ok that was really stupid to out and now we're even.

lol screw you

[davesaz]

Look Chenn, after i nearly blew a stroke during last team mafia I’ve tried to be more cool, but you’re really getting on my nerves here.
I’m playing this game exactly like I do every game. Ask questions when I’m not sure, point out stuff that’s obvious like gif and fl around their hoods etc, try to get people to not talk about shit that helps scummore than town. You’re really starting to piss me off. There is no possible way you can think that I’m scum here. Did your team put you up to it or something? Press Dave and see if he cracks? My wife is gonna be really upset if I end up drooling or something over this game.

I’ll take another look after the troop meeting. The kids deserve an assistant scoutmaster who isn’t grumpy.

[Flavor Leaf]

Post of the year nom ^

I’ve never seen Dave get upset. Dave, I do think you’re playing different this game, but like, I’ve seen your scum game and your town game, and it’s different than both, so if anyone uses that as an argument, i don’t agree with that. You’ve made some scummy pop in’s, though

[nomnomnom]

Post of the year nom ^

I’ve never seen Dave get upset. Dave, I do think you’re playing different this game, but like, I’ve seen your scum game and your town game, and it’s different than both, so if anyone uses that as an argument, i don’t agree with that. You’ve made some scummy pop in’s, though

we found our SK wrap it up boys

[chennisden]

my team has offered minimal input on this game, dave.

[chennisden]

Like, in your own words, you "point out stuff that’s obvious" so I don't think "there is no possible way I can think that you're scum here." I do think you're scum and I do think if I had said nothing you would've totally coasted for a long time.

[chennisden]

If you're town I've been tunneling you since page 15. Do you really never consider me to be scum this game? Because I've never seen you seriously push or consider it. In fact I don't think you've given a lot of thought to my alignment at all for the entire game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Post of the year nom ^

I’ve never seen Dave get upset. Dave, I do think you’re playing different this game, but like, I’ve seen your scum game and your town game, and it’s different than both, so if anyone uses that as an argument, i don’t agree with that. You’ve made some scummy pop in’s, though

we found our SK wrap it up boys

If I’m a SK, just kill me when there’s like 2 scum likely left.

[Flavor Leaf]

Really, I was trying to make that post because Dave’s post made me laugh so hard, but I was trying not to say it in a mean way, because I didn’t mean it in a bad way at all, if that makes sense.

[davesaz]

I lied, kinda. Too hard to not look.

This is no laughing matter. Near the end of the 1st page and a good chunk of the 2nd. There's a smattering of other blowups in dates +/- a couple months of that spot.
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Spoiler: Unformatted VC

GuyInFreezer (3): Vex Vience, davesaz, nomnomnom
Flavor Leaf (2): Dr Easy Bake, Farkran
EspressoPatronum (1): volxen
nomnomnom (2): GuyInFreezer, DeasVail
davesaz (3): MariaR, chennisden, Gammagooey
Elements (2): kuribo, EspressoPatronum
chennisden (1): Elements
Dr Easy Bake (1): Almost50

Not Voting (3): Flavor Leaf, Volpe14, Ankamius

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is 1/16 at 10PM EST.

MOD NOTES:
Ank is V/LA until 1/7/20.
Volpe14 is V/LA until 1/9/20.

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[Farkran]

I've finished my reread of GIF ISO, can't find anything wonky or scummy in there, but i found out that my hardtownread was probably mostly out of early agreement bias and i may need to update it. I'd like someone to point out anything i am missing.

On the other hand i think i don't scumread FL anymore after his recent exchange with chennis. Dave and gammagoey probably fell for the bait, but reacted spontaneously so that's a confirm about dave for me, and improving my gammagoey read.

VOTE: ankamius

[davesaz]

If you're town I've been tunneling you since page 15. Do you really never consider me to be scum this game? Because I've never seen you seriously push or consider it. In fact I don't think you've given a lot of thought to my alignment at all for the entire game.

No, you haven't been "tunneling" me. You have interacted with most of the playerlist. A tunnel is when you focus on just one person, or mostly so.
I strong town read the way you've done it. There is always room for me to be wrong of course, nobody is confirmed yet.
I make a huge distinction between wrong and scum. I do sometimes incorrectly read agreement as town, but I never read disagreement as scum by itself.
Well, try to never do that. I suppose I probably make mistakes.

My approach to townreads who scumread me is to attempt to bring them to the light with reason. Or at least that's how I'm trying to do it now that I'm trying to chill.
Your resistance is actually a towntell. Scum would give up way easier than this and just NK me instead.
I don't want you to give up, I want you to discover the error of your ways.

[Sir Elton Hercules John]

In posts 1411 and 1412, Elements committed a trust tell, which breaks site Mafia Rule #2. From the definition of trust tells:

A trust tell fits both of the following criteria:

The player insists that they only do this behavior as a certain alignment, and never as any other alignment.
The player, over the course of multiple games, only does this behavior as a certain alignment, and never as any other alignment.

From this post, Elements doubled down by continuing to insist he's never voted himself as scum (breaking the first definition for trust tells) and then stating he's done it over the course of multiple games (breaking the second definition for trust tells). This objectively fits the criteria for a trust tell.

As such, the Team Mafia Mods have agreed to the following actions:

• Effective immediately, Elements has been modkilled in Gay Mafia IV. A flip will follow shortly, and the game will move into Night 1.
  
• Elements will flip his initial role, allowing Team "Team" Team to continue to score points if town wins Gay Mafia IV.
  
• However, due to the modkill, Team "Team" Team will receive a tiebreaker penalty, putting them at a disadvantage for scoring if they happen to tie with another team.
  
• Elements has been removed from the Team "Team" Team Private Topic.

We regret this situation has occurred. Remember to be sure not to skirt any site rules, even unintentionally. That doesn't fly during regular mafia games, and it won't fly in Team Mafia, where we're making extra sure to protect the integrity of the event.

If you have any questions, you may PM the Team Mafia Mods.

[Sir Elton Hercules John]

THE SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE:
Really, on the basis of "Rocketman," you'd think Elton John never had a moment of fun.

NEW YORKER:
"Rocketman" is far from a drama of introspection-and, unfortunately, Egerton's performance, as directed by Fletcher, doesn't add to the protagonist's inner life.

CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR:
Starring the overly strenuous Taron Egerton, Rocketman is a campy, overblown, self-glorifying fantasia.

Taron Egerton tossed aside his tablet, letting out an uncomfortable retching noise.

"These... these... goddamn bastards!" He shouted, overwrought and underpitched.

Egerton rose, pacing the room in his bathrobe, looking out his floor-to-ceiling windows.

"They didn't respect me as Sir Elton then... but I'll show them. I'll show them."

He turned back to his phone.

"Soon, I will earn my right to star as Elton in this new franchise, and then they'll see! THEY'LL SEE!"

As if on-cue, his phone beeped. It was a text message from his agent.

So uh... bad news. Turns out the guys selling this shitshow of a script treatment saw Rocketman and weren't fans. They've decided you're out. Full stop.

Taron Egerton stood there, staring at his phone, mouth agape. Time stood still.

And his career faded.

Elements | Taron Egerton |

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Spoiler: Unformatted

Because we've gotten so many questions and want to answer the same way: the sample role PMs and early modposts indicate that each player is a part of a three person group.

These groups have powers/abilities. Every group has a group ability (which they vote on as a group who to use it on) and a last man standing ability (which goes to the last player left alive).

This means Elements was one of the Leading Actors. We are not flipping full ability information until an entire group has been eliminated, as it would reveal information about living players.

No, we will not tell you if another group can self-target.
No, we will not tell you if another group has X action or Y ability.
Yes, we will answer questions about how your specific group abilities work.

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Night choices need to go to this account.

[Sir Elton Hercules John]

The patio area at Tim Burton's house was exactly... what you wouldn't expect.

Gorgeous marble stone slabs made up the bulk of the area. A large, grandiose pool snaked its way through grottos and hot tubs, and not a single wacky monster sculpture was in-sight. Instead, tastefully nude cherubs dotted the border of the pool, spitting a perfect arc of water into the pool. And by tasteful, I mean there's no baby dick to awkwardly try not to stare at.

Here, at poolside, the crazy hair of Tim Burton flapped wildly in the California breeze. He reached beside him and picked up his whiskey sour, pressing it to his lips. Seated near him on an ornate stone bench was none other than Danny Elfman.

"So... that's why I'm asking you to do this."

Burton nodded his head silently.

"You really want this Gay Mafia movie, Dan?"

Danny Elfman exploded.

"OF COURSE I WANT IT!"

He quickly receded into himself.

"It just makes sense. I've never had a major franchise. Williams and Zimmer get the blockbusters. And if the team of Elfman and Burton were to reunite..."

He leans in uncomfortably close to Burton. From that distance, Burton could make out the rigid lines under his eyes. The man clearly hadn't slept in days.

"...we'd be UNSTOPPABLE!"

Burton awkwardly cleared his throat and leaned away from Elfman.

"Danny... I just don't see how this is a good fit."

"OH COME ON! This is right up your alley! It's Beetlejuice, but with dicks!"

Tim looked unsure. Danny persisted.

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Tim now looked morbidly uncomfortable. Danny leaned in close again.

"Edward Scissorhands... but... with dicks for fingers. Edward Dickfingers."

Tim set his drink down and stood at once.

"Danny."

He adjusted his silk print shirt.

"I'm afraid this is too much for you. I've always looked out for you. That's why I've had to do something... unthinkable. But know... it's because of love."

Danny's eyes went wide with fright.

"What... what did you do!?"

"I received an anonymous tip that you were too deep into this. Acting on this, and seeing your performance here... I've already pulled some strings. You're out of the running for the project, Danny. This was consuming you. It's not healthy."

Danny exploded once again, grabbing Tim Burton by the neck.

"You... YOU FOOL! THIS WAS IT. THIS WAS TO BE MY MAGNUM OPUS. THIS WAS TO BE THE 'MESSIAH' TO MY HANDEL! DANNY ELFMAN DOESN'T GET TOLD NO. DANNY ELFMAN GETS WHATEVER THE FUCK HE *WANTS*!"

Danny heaved, almost hyperventilating, before releasing his friend and collapsing in a heap on the patio. Tim Burton stood over him, refusing to look down on his friend in this wretched state.

"It was for your own good, Danny. I'll give you a moment to clean yourself up."

Burton turned and strode back into his mansion, leaving Danny Elfman sobbing poolside.

Farkran | Danny Elfman |

Town Composer

| Forced Out of Contention for the Job (Killed) N1

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WRITING GROUP FOR NEW GAY MAFIA FILM FULL OF JEWS AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF POWER

Multiple sources are confirming that the offensive new movie, GAY MAFIA, out of the Disney media conglomerate, that the writers have frightening power over the fledgling extended universe. We have reports that the radical left wing writers on the film have been combing the script for any possible conservative messages and characters and are systematically silencing them. This film franchise, which had such promise as an anti-globalist franchise, is losing the voice of its conservative characters at an alarming rate! What probably is the scariest is that, against the wishes of the surely huge nationalist audience for this film, the writers have been reported as saying they are willing to KILL OFF characters they don't approve of. If they can't write them the way they want they will just eliminate them from the script! This is the future Obama wanted! What a terrible stain on our national artistic scene.

When asked for comment, Donald McEwan, one of the executive producers, said "Fuck off forever you fascist shitbags." The rot starts at the head! Breitbart's professional investigative team has combed the social media history of the writers of the source material and we've found them to be very friendly to left wing causes. It's possible, nay probable, that the writers are acting on the orders of the executive producers, who are probably acting on the orders of the Six Jew Bankers. This film franchise will require very close surveillance by the Breitbart staff. We will keep you updated on their moves towards a globalist agenda.

BREITBART has uncovered emails that tell the extent of the power of the WRITERS.

#PowerOfThePen

: Group Vote-Remover

As the writers for the franchise, your group has the ability to write characters you don't like out of large sections of the script. You probably won't abuse this power. Probably.

Though the three of you are in competition with one another to be the ones to be head writer for the Gay Mafia franchise, every night, the three of you may privately vote to use your writer powers to remove another player's vote for the following day.

(A note on group powers: while you may all discuss your plans in your neighborhood, the votes will be submitted privately. An abstain vote is also allowed. Failure to submit a vote will result in abstaining. In the event of a tie between choices, the target of the ability will be randomized between the voted players, and your group WILL NOT be told who received it.)

Last Writer Standing

: Vigilante

Competition is fierce. If you somehow manage to take down two other writers, you'll be the last one standing. With such a victory, you'll be able to just kill off characters you don't like. You'll become a vigilante! At night, you will be able to target a player. That player will be killed.

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VOTE: GIF