Mini Normal 2111 [Game Over!]

[tictac]

i was thinking i'd push wake today for looking for tracker/watcher yesterday.
vote on looker day1 while scumreading leaf looks like wanted to stay offwagon cause knew what the flip would be.
then didn't mention looker on day 2 at all

oh, i forgot.
day 2 skitt mailed ya instructions and ya fulfilled them.
then ya decided to out the existence of a mailman, for some reason.
Why?

[AaronFrost]

Vote Count 4.01

tictac [1]:

Creature

Wake88 [0]:

Skellen [0]:

Garmr [0]:

january [0]:

Creature [0]:

Saudade [0]:

Not Voting [6]:

tictac, Wake88, Skellen, Garmr, january, Saudade

With 7 in play, it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-01-16 23:00:00)

Notes

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[Saudade]

VOTE: creature

[Garmr]

How does ninja work with the roles claimed because that's what looker flipped.

[january]

sorry been somewhat busy so commitment levels are way too low

garmr - when i said “fundamentally wrong” i guess that might have been a bad phrase because of how most people use it. what i meant was i disagree with the baseline reasoning for your read if that makes sense. like i disagrees with your fundamental of the read. idk words eh i hope this makes some sense

but i guess there’s more merit there than i thought before, was kind of misunderstanding your argument. i guess town maria would have been more suspicious of someone softing mason with her? i’d personally never make a read based on that except in hindsight bc i’m pretty sure there are players that would act like that as town

still not really sure how that would tie creature in with maria though? like sure this interaction could have happened between two scum but i feel like it’s just as likely to have happened between town-scum. non seemed... kinda like a wildcard either way, but i think maria totally could have tried to play into it if they were partners, or decided to ignore it if non was town
tldr^ that interaction doesn’t seem to point to non’s slot in one way or another

[january]

also
i don’t understand how there’d be 3 masons and a ptcop and a basically-cop so i’m just gonna say one of them is prob faking (as town? or maf? rn i townread both of em)
i think it’s useless to fake claim because it’s confusing town and preventing us from making informed reads?
and it’s not really achieving much

but whatever i’ll just leave it alone for now
feel free to hardclaim and share all the wifomy stuff with all of us whenever u want i guess

[january]

not loving the creature nakedvote on tictac right after tictac says “don’t lynch creature” lol

[january]

i was thinking i'd push wake today for looking for tracker/watcher yesterday.

where’s the looking for tracker/watcher thing? iso’d and i couldn’t find anything

[january]

feels like creature’s d2 end was a bit awkward? feels like i’m trying to squeeze things in to fit other people’s reads at this point so might just need to take a step back and try to get rid of that influence first

[january]

d3* sorry

[Garmr]

I'm quite happy I got suasade right.

[Saudade]

I literally claimed it for u d1

[Garmr]

I literally claimed it for u d1

I didn't believe you through.

[Saudade]

Good, you never know with me

[Garmr]

tictac [0]:
Wake88 [0]:
Skellen [0]:
skitter30 [0]:

Garmr [1]:

Creature
january [0]:
Looker [5] [LYNCH]: january,

Garmr, Saudade,

tictac,

skitter30

Creature [0]:

Saudade [2]:

Wake88,

Looker

Not Voting [1]:

Skellen

With 9 in play, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-08 10:39:00)

tictac [1]:

skitter30

Wake88 [0]:

Skellen [1]: Dunnstral

skitter30 [0]:
Garmr [0]:
january [1]: Sujimichi
Looker [0]:
Dunnstral [6] [LYNCH]:

Skellen, Saudade, Garmr,

Looker,

UnaBombaH

, tictac
Sujimichi [0]:
UnaBombaH [0]:
Saudade [0]:

Not Voting [2]: Wake88, january

With 11 in play, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

tictac [0]:
Wake88 [0]:
Skellen [0]:
Flavor Leaf [7] [LYNCH]:

UnaBombaH,

tictac,

Looker,

Skellen, Dunnstral,

Sujimichi,

Saudade

skitter30 [0]:
Garmr [0]:
january [0]:
Looker [2]:

Garmr,

Wake88

Dunnstral [3]: skitter30, Flavor Leaf, Gamma Emerald

Sujimichi [0]:
UnaBombaH [0]:
Gamma Emerald [0]:
Saudade [0]:

Not Voting [1]: january

[Garmr]

That's to help me work out some things

[tictac]

How does ninja work with the roles claimed because that's what looker flipped.

wiki:A Ninja is a player who can perform actions that cannot be seen by a Tracker, Watcher, or similar role; it has the same relationship to action investigations that Godfather does to faction investigations.

the only interaction with claimed roles is that Jan would see no motion instead of motion if she investigated the nightkill when looker used his (1-shot) ability.
looks to me like the existence of a ninja was a piece for disinformation for the scumteam.
the kills on nights 1 and 2 make a lot more sense if the scumteam was trying to dodge a nonexistent watcher.

i was thinking i'd push wake today for looking for tracker/watcher yesterday.

where’s the looking for tracker/watcher thing? iso’d and i couldn’t find anything

it follows then that the claimed roles would be a

tad unrealistic

to scum.

*sigh*

I'm not giving Saudade a free pass on not having to claim like everyone else.

VOTE: Saudade

I don't buy the Mason claim whatsoever, and if either Skitter or Skellen flip and turn out NOT to be Mason, someone is going to pay for that.

If Skitter was consistent she'd see to it that the entire mass-claim was carried out, rather than cherry-pick who claims and who doesn't.

FTR I'm not buying the Mason claim.

Have seen it bluffed way too many times thanks to Saudade.

etc.

[Saudade]

tictac......

[Garmr]

it follows then that the claimed roles would be a tad unrealistic to scum.

Oh that's a bitch that happened to me last scum game totally killed my drive to play. I think there should be a discussion if that should be allowed in normal's.

Scum are so supposed to be all knowing disinformation goes against what it means to be scum.

[Skellen]

He really is.

lol
last time i saw 3p masonry in a 13p it was the only pr's in the game.
still claiming a guilty on a partner would be super-crazy for scum-jan.
did skitt go into detail on why she thought it was plausible?

Yeah, it's why we were very sceptical of any other pr claims. I think in the recent year there were at least two other normals with three Masons, one large with three masons and Motion Detector and one mini with Masons and two town Neighbors and a loud Doc. So pr wise it seems to work either way.

skitt's thoughts why town!jan was plausible? She couldn't make sense out of it how jan's role works with ours setup wise. However she thought the odd-night modifier made it better and that jan couldn't fake her reaction to Garmr's fruit gambit as scum if you compare she acted with her real N1 result and her fake N2 result. Like there seemed to her that there was a layer of "I just know my target is town" in her play around skitt and Garmr on D2 in contrast her soft guilty that she was claiming. More or less paraphrased skitt from the pt.

[Skellen]

Personally I really dislike jan's role as the loyal modifier makes the original ability of the Motion Detector useless and it just looks unnatural to me. There could have been 5 conftown on D2 if she wouldn't have targeted skitter and that isn't even considering FL. There even exists a scenario where scum loses on D2 with a D1 scum lynch and both jan and FL getting two separate guilties on the other two scum in N1. It's also odd that scum prefers to kill off the Masons first when jan had a target pool of four with two scum within, so even if they block her the chances are even that she would claim a no result on scum.

But eh, skitt calmed me down regarding that and tbh I agree. I feel like she is doing things that she wouldn't even need to do as scum and I don't know why you would fake a guilty on your partner and ultimately bus him if it wasn't even that apparent he would have ended up as a lynch on D3. I mean it would ultimately lead to victory for scum!her, but why taking the long way?

Also if you get a motion result on skitt in N1, you know someone did something on her or she is a pr, so you just kill her in N2 then. Unless they really were afraid of a Watcher.

If I go by poe I don't really know with whom she could be partners then. I don't see Garmr/jan due to their D2 interactions, tictac would have been the most likely but she just claimed a guilty on him. Creature maybe, but then again I don't know if Suji would start bussing jan out of nowhere on D2 when there was already some fundament with Garmr suspecting her. Leaving only Wake.

[Skellen]

action failed on tictac

genuinely think that i probably would get an action failed on any of them but eh

was gonna say, obviously there's a blocker, but maybe not?

???
Unless you think jan is fakeclaiming there being no blocker would mean you are scum? lol

[Skellen]

vote on looker day1 while scumreading leaf looks like wanted to stay offwagon cause knew what the flip would be.
then didn't mention looker on day 2 at all

This is actually something that I second and want to see a response by Wake. The only thing that came from Wake regarding Looker was that he shouldn't have been townread that easily.

[Skellen]

How does ninja work with the roles claimed because that's what looker flipped.

tictac more or less responded to that.
The existence of a Ninja implies the existence of a role from the Tracker/Watcher pool which the Motion Detector is part of, so that could make sense.

Maybe just a red hering again, which is imo gross. But most important it made Looker a pr and so a guilty for FL's role. skitt was speculating that scum is pr heavy, but rather with useless roles.

[Skellen]

also
i don’t understand how there’d be 3 masons and a ptcop and a basically-cop so i’m just gonna say one of them is prob faking (as town? or maf? rn i townread both of em)
i think it’s useless to fake claim because it’s confusing town and preventing us from making informed reads?
and it’s not really achieving much

but whatever i’ll just leave it alone for now
feel free to hardclaim and share all the wifomy stuff with all of us whenever u want i guess

Yeah, let's not crawl down this rabbit hole. skitt was pretty obvious with crumbing our Masonry on D1 with her readslist in this #548.