Mini Theme 2112: Skyrim Mod Upick Town Win

[Sujimichi]

Hi everyone! Apologies as it seems that I missed the first phase. However, I am happy with the outcome, so thank you to you all. It does not appear I have missed much else.

[Sujimichi]

I like the track you are currently on.

VOTE: Blatant Scum

[Sujimichi]

I believe that by the next day phase I will have helped you find one more.

[Sujimichi]

Apologies. I should have finished reading before commenting because your current track is not what I thought it was upon skimming.

[Sujimichi]

Pretty sure you're trying to bait out PRs here

Are not Upicks usually games where everyone has some type of role? They have been in the two games that I have played.

Looks like Pine already baited 2 ppl

So, what do you make of Pine trying successfully to bait 2 ppl?

[Sujimichi]

Blatant Scum made his PT comment in the middle of page 2. Thief Stone was hammered towards the bottom of page 2. If TiphaineDeath decided to post before fully reading the thread, I would expect that to naturally occur at a page transition.

If it didn't occur at a page transition, and he was so excited about the content of Blatant's post that he jumped to page 5 to vote, I would expect the sequencing "vote blatant scum, vote warrior stone"

I am going to VOTE: TiphaineDeath on this.

TiphanieDeath had already posted after the conclusion of the first phase. He voted on page 3 in post #51.

[Sujimichi]

I think he is trying to fake a townslip

What is the townslip he is trying to fake? Not reading?

[Sujimichi]

His RVS vote does not give any indication he'd read any of the thread at all, that's irrelevant.

Perhaps I give too much credit, but I assume that one would have read before posting. Though, I guess I was also somewhat guilty of not fully comprehending prior to voting.

[Sujimichi]

Ohai!

Vote Pine

Real post later

Is this real post coming soon?

[Sujimichi]

You give too much credit Sujimichi

Why do you think I'm on the wrong track?

You may not be, and I do believe that I said that you were.

[Sujimichi]

“I do not believe that I said that you were.”

[Sujimichi]

You're not sheeping my TiphaineDeath push though, it's new, it's fancy, it's stylish

Neither is Pine despite his actual indication of agreeing with your thoughts on TiphaineDeath.

[Sujimichi]

pops wasn't the morning a plurality vote? the deadline for that ran out earlier but i'm not sure if the mod has been online to lock threads since so it wouldn't be a towntell if nothing's been locked - we should probably be told when exactly the threads were/will be locked

though actually alimdia is currently blowing up our neighbourhood up rsnting about how you're already tunneling him and he's got one hand on his dayvig pistol ready

The moderator posted that the Thief Stone had been selected on post 47 and the day began in post 50. One would assume he took care of the necessary moderator actions at that time.

Why did you feel the need to out a neighborhood that you are participating in? And, if Private Threads are meant to be locked, why is alimdia able to “blow” yours up at current?

[Sujimichi]

So, you are saying that your Neighborhood thread is unlocked, but you are not allowed to post per moderator instruction?

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

[Sujimichi]

It has not been as of yet.

[Sujimichi]

maybe we should all claim scum to make Bla feel more at home - eventually claiming scum will wrap around to being a town-indicative thing since most townies are doing jt

You still haven't answered my question as to why you felt it necessary to out the existence of your Neighborhood thread.

[Sujimichi]

alimdia's now mocking me for not being able to talk in the neighbourhood - it's quite demoralising :/

idk Sujimichi should i not have? it's not locked btw - i'm just not allowed to speak there

I didn't say you should or should not have. I am asking why you did.

[Sujimichi]

No, see, there are actions that are less-than-competent and actions that are blacklist worthy. Scumclaims, in my opinion, fall in to the latter category, only now I have two of them because sujimichi felt like doing it to so now I just hate everyone. I may simply ask to be replaced out of this game with apologies to JJH, have not decided yet.

Voting for you is a scumclaim? Also, discussing replacing out is against site rules.

[Sujimichi]

Pops is town.

Blatant Scum is still scum.
Zenith is also scum.

What is it about Zenith that you find scummy?

[Sujimichi]

I would like for alimdia to explain why they are posting in the Neighborhood thread despite:

1. All PTs being locked for the rest of the day phase
   
2. Not posting in the main thread

[Sujimichi]

The rules for thief stone technically don't forbid posting in PTs. I would assume if a thread is meant to be locked but isn't, then the Dusk rule would apply, though I could be wrong. Rule #3.

"All private topics will be locked for the rest of the day phase." This seems clear to me, so I would like for an explanation from someone who seems to be allowed to post in a Private Topic and is choosing to do so over posting here.

[Sujimichi]

Apologies. I assume you announced it in Dragon language as well. That was a nice touch.

[Sujimichi]

I'm starting to feel bad for Sujimichi.

Suji, Eve is basket of tomfoolery in all of her games. I wager she doesn't have a neighborhood at all, and I guarantee you she doesn't have one she's not allowed to post in.

I am not sure why someone would do this, and I do not know how I feel about it.

[Sujimichi]

Seems anti-town to do so. Helps scum narrow down which roles they are afraid of and kill those.

So, do you think Pine is mistaken as town in his actions, or scum who trying to narrow down which roles he is afraid of?

[Sujimichi]

How is that post a scum claim?

[Sujimichi]

I'm pretty sure like they're all trolling.

Except I'm really not in a PT with Eve

I'm not trolling, and a response of "wow, ok" isn't an explanation as to how something isn't a scum claim.

[Sujimichi]

That ignores the entire discussion being held about almidia being able to post in the Neighborhood thread (despite the fact it ended up not being true), and that comes across as a fabricated reason to scum read me rather than a real reason to vote me. I'm happy with my vote.

[Sujimichi]

Wah Fin Naar

[Sujimichi]

TiphaineDeath counts as your find, as you tried to persuade me to vote him originally.

[Sujimichi]

I will work on that, but at this point you are my only townread. There are a lot of players who have yet to provide anything noteworthy.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: BS

Reposting this because I would like an answer.

Pops is town.

Blatant Scum is still scum.
Zenith is also scum.

What is it about Zenith that you find scummy?

[Sujimichi]

It has not been as of yet.

Sujimichi was this a joke post?

No. I’ve already explained that post, and popsofctown provided a good summary as well.

[Sujimichi]

I think that the asking permission to vote someone and then the subsequent post filled with questions is scummy.

Thank you. Why did you decide to vote for BlatantScum over Zenith?

[Sujimichi]

Waitaminute, there was a thing, with a fake neighborhood, and posting when you couldn't?

This is the second occurrence of you not reading the game and missing something of note whilst continuing to vote people for actions or play that you deem bad, but do not attribute alignment to. How is it that you were able to find my post to zero in on, but not understand the broader context of the game at that moment?

[Sujimichi]

@Anyone
May I have permission to vote for Blatant Scum?

As long as it is not a hammer, yes.

Do you want me to vote for you? If so, then why? If not, then why grant permission?

Poke.

My D20 rolled 18.

Do you have any other thoughts as to what has transpired in this game besides a lack of response from Blatant Scum?

[Sujimichi]

Will you please share them?

[Sujimichi]

Will you please share them?

Nothing really worth sharing yet.

I disagree. Your thoughts on other players, however minor you may think them, help establish your viewpoint and creates content with which to assess yours, and others', alignment. By withholding them, I am forced to think you do not actually have any.

[Sujimichi]

Proof that OMGUS isn't a scumtell: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7506&start=50

Why my vote is not an OMGUS: I have other reasons for voting you (see above post), and not just solely because your vote happened to be on me.

An opinion poll from 12 years ago is not proof, and I question why you exerted effort to find that to support your opinion instead of a simple dismissal of it as invalid. Could you help me understand your reaction? Overall, your defense seems disproportionate to the attack, but that could be your behavioral style, and I don't disagree with your rationale for placing the vote, to begin with.

[Sujimichi]

Blatant Scum, what are your thoughts on what has transpired so far? Any stances on players?

[Sujimichi]

Zu'u Loost Fin Naar

[Sujimichi]

I am glad you were able to take the top of the page.

[Sujimichi]

You're welcome to think whatever you want. I pay attention and keep personal notes. Have released personal notes pt to public at the end of completed game before.

I think you miss the point. Withholding your thoughts does not help advance the game, and sharing them does. I do not see the benefit to town for you to withhold them.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: td

Why did you shift your vote here?

[Sujimichi]

@Anyone
May I have permission to vote for alimdia?

Why are you asking permission to vote for someone again?

[Sujimichi]

Sujimichi: Quite active (NAI), logical (NAI) and also I like his post 257. Forced to TR him at this point since he's one of the few trying.

Blatant Scum made post 257. Which post of mine did you like, and why did you like it?

[Sujimichi]

Explain your town read? This really reads like a soft defense.

My point is, that he didn't do anything scummy at all, yet was catapulted to L-2.
+ some minor tonal reads.

I disagree with that assessment. So far, he has had the "scummiest" behavior. Your description of "catapulted" is interesting given the vote trajectory of his wagon as well.

Who is mafia, Blatant Scum? Your vote remains on yourself, and I don't see how that is helpful.

[Sujimichi]

Will be reading over the game tonight.

Did this happen? Are you going to share your thoughts?

[Sujimichi]

You could have placed it on alimdia and also had a wagon.

[Sujimichi]

alimdia would have had three votes and TiphaineDeath four. To say that your vote placed on anyone else would have been equivalent is disingenuous. Why is it better to take TiphaineDeath from four to five than alimdia from two to three? To simply create a larger wagon is not a good answer, as is it not also useful to review wagons of similar size?

[Sujimichi]

I think Tiphaine Death's fake townslip and his followups are the scummiest thing in the game thread still, yes alimdia.

BS is a crazy slot but there are reasons to think maybe he's always like this or something.

I have a new town read in gobbledygook. What are your thoughts?

[Sujimichi]

Because it was an assertion that has not yet been followed through on and, if not brought attention to, is likely to be forgotten.

[Sujimichi]

Please note that TiphaineDeath is now at L-1.

[Sujimichi]

If someone, anyone could just humor and grant permission each time I ask, then we could pretend I never asked and functionally it wouldn't matter.

Is it required by your role for someone to grant permission?

[Sujimichi]

Actually, I'll follow your lead, buttercup. That fake Townslip does look pretty forced.

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

Do you have any original thoughts of your own? This is the second time you have used popsofctown's viewpoint to support your own actions.

[Sujimichi]

Break down of the case on Tiphaine?

Doesn't seem like there's much if any resistance on that wagon.

Will be reading over the game tonight.

Did this happen? Are you going to share your thoughts?

[Sujimichi]

Nonsense.
VOTE: alimdia

Are you not able to answer my questions, or did you ignore it?

[Sujimichi]

Actually, I'll follow your lead, buttercup. That fake Townslip does look pretty forced.

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

Do you have any original thoughts of your own? This is the second time you have used popsofctown's viewpoint to support your own actions.

Not really, but I don’t need to. I’m openly skimming this game because I’m busy. I don’t like D1 and when I find someone who appears to be obvTown whose instincts I trust, I’m going to go with them.

And knock it off with the “are you going to answer my questions” bit. You aren’t entitled to have every little question answered, and demanding answers is a good way to entrench people against giving them. You get more flies with honey etc

You will find that I do not ask questions about everything that has been posted, so the questions I do ask I would like answered as they have game relevance. That is why I asked them. I'm not sure why you think I should knock that off or what you hoped to accomplish by telling me that, because I certainly will not.

[Sujimichi]

Why did you hammer TiphaineDeath?

[Sujimichi]

1. There were seven days left, and there are several low content players. You are one of them.
   
2. There was no intent placed or request for a claim

Yes, the point of this game is to lynch scum. I would assume that someone who has been here for nine years understands the importance of generating content for later examination. Why do you feel the need to be snarky towards me?

[Sujimichi]

The above message was directed towards Pine, not popsofctown.

[Sujimichi]

popsofctown, what are your thoughts on Pine?

[Sujimichi]

There is more time for other players to generate content and not hide behind other player's thoughts, as implied in my point 1. This is actually a discussion I had wanted to have with gobbledygook, so I am not sure why you jumped in.

[Sujimichi]

Thank you.

[Sujimichi]

If someone wants to hit scum, they should vig Aeronaut.

If someone wants to be the mod's best friend, they should vig Wake or GIF.

Why do you think that Aeronaut is mafia? He has provided almost no content.

[Sujimichi]

Hi people, I'm gonna give my thoughts as quick as I can in case that vote was hammer

It was a hammer. I believe you do not have much to share your thoughts with the mod posting recently.

[Sujimichi]

Hi people, I'm gonna give my thoughts as quick as I can in case that vote was hammer

It was a hammer. I believe you do not have much time to share your thoughts with the mod posting recently.

Corrected.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Thief Stone

[Sujimichi]

Why?

[Sujimichi]

No thank you. That was originally suggested by recently flipped Mafia.

[Sujimichi]

That is an appeal to emotion and potentially untrue for at least one player.

[Sujimichi]

Also I think theres one scum in the neighbourhood

Who do you currently think it is?

[Sujimichi]

I'm telling you, if you don't comply with my request then you don't want to catch scum.

With due respect, you haven’t explained how flavor will catch scum whilst one has already been caught so I am inclined to ignore your request.

[Sujimichi]

Okay so...

No jokes..

I'm going to out my neighborhood because it seems like we are going to hammer thief stone again, and one of the members agreed last night.

We have... Wake, Aeronaut and I

I for one want to actually be able to use our Neighborhood.

If we're just going to keep voting Thief stone that's boring.

Warrior stone powers Warrior roles.

Absent your desire to speak in your neighborhood, why do you feel Warrior path powers are important?

[Sujimichi]

Sneak Tools

[Sujimichi]

I expect a good explanation following.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Warrior Stone
Let's not put thief stone on a very high level.

Why not?

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Warrior Stone
Let's not put thief stone on a very high level.

Why not?

I believe that if we upgrade only one stone, it will
a) create swing
b) be suboptimal

I think we should put 66% of points in one stone and rest split someone to the other two stones.

What are you basing this belief on? It seems that the Thief Stone was beneficial in at least two ways yesterday.

[Sujimichi]

Suj, who do you think is Pine’s buddy?

Why are you implying there is only one buddy? To answer your question, I am not sure at this point. I do not like Aeronaut or Wake88 at the moment, but I also do not believe they are both mafia.

[Sujimichi]

Locked private threads and a Mafia kill overnight. Are you going to answer my question?

[Sujimichi]

I disagree with this until the next Day phase, but this is a team game.

VOTE: Warrior

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Thief Stone

I believe my vote on Warrior was 5th, so it is now at 4 votes.

[Sujimichi]

ah i see well i'm fine to vote warrior today and then the other one tomorrow - scum PT shouldn't be as useful to them with one of their members down and we can power everyone up once which might be good for info and claiming later

VOTE: Warrior

Just leaving this here...

Role:
Level-Based Rolestopper: Once per night, you may target a player.

If their role has a stone associated with it, and its path level is equal to or higher than the current cycle number

, their night actions cannot fail and they will be protected from one nightkill.

I’m not getting the implication you’re trying to draw.

I believe that he is showing that contrary to what Blatant Scum stated is his assumptions based on dead players' roles and his own role, there are circumstances where a high path level is beneficial for town. The example quoted shows that popsofctown's role would be able to protect a player if their associated stone had a level equal to or higher than the current cycle (I am assuming this means phase). For example, a Thief Stone level of 2 would allow popsofctown's role to work on players associated with the Thief Stone during Night 1 (the second cycle/phase).

[Sujimichi]

What makes you think I’m wooden? Would a wooden player hammer someone without a claim?

Does wooden mean mafia? Because then the answer to your second question is "yes."

Also, I do not agree with Zenith's request now that everything has transpired. I do not believe that flavor alone will be useful in sorting a player's alignment and could actually serve as a distraction.

[Sujimichi]

Oh, great, so my ability only activates after the Board and Sword thing is at level 5, and it's only at, what, level 1 now?

So it's highly unlikely I'll even be able to use my powered up ability.

Were you not aware of this prior to your voting Warrior? The reason you stated for voting Warrior was so that you could use your ability.

[Sujimichi]

The morning has ended. The Warrior Stone has been selected by plurality.

Stone	Votes	Voters
Warrior Stone	4	Blatant Scum, Wake88, Zenith, Eve
Thief Stone	4	alimdia, Sujimichi, gobbledygook, Dongfish
Mage Stone	1	-
Not Voting	-	Mastina, Aeronaut

Ah, I can never resist a bit of melee.

Who is the 1 vote for mage stone or is that a typo? And what are the rules surrounding if there is a tie vote?

The rules state that in the event of no majority pluarilty will take place. The moderator has also already stated that the Warrior stone is active.

This was a mistake and there are two people that have led to this mistake is a suspicious manner; Wake88 and Aeronaut. Aeronaut is more suspicious.

[Sujimichi]

Oh, great, so my ability only activates after the Board and Sword thing is at level 5, and it's only at, what, level 1 now?

So it's highly unlikely I'll even be able to use my powered up ability.

Were you not aware of this prior to your voting Warrior? The reason you stated for voting Warrior was so that you could use your ability.

As I JIST said, I didn't know it had to get all the way up to level 5 on Board and Sword. That means there's 3 different board things and Thief already has a level. That means we'd have to vote Warrior Stone four more times JUST to activate some of these powered up PRs.

Voting Warrior Stone let's us talk in our Neighborhood.

The level of paths may change by means other than this vote, and may affect roles in the game. All 3 paths start the game at level 0.

It appears like there are a lot of people that are claiming not to have read the thread, the rules, or the Role PM well. I do not know that I believe it. How did you just now find out that you had to reach level five before your power was active?

[Sujimichi]

What is nani?

Nani is what.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: alimdia

I read through your interactions with Pine, and you seem to outwardly project that his behavior was scummy, but you do not actually do anything to push him and you never voted him. Pine also votes you early on without a strong push and then uses TiphaineDeath's vote on you to push TiphaineDeath as mafia. Your redaction of the word Thief from your flavor seems to come from a place of fear of how it will be interpreted where I think town would just claim it. You have posited that one scum exists in your neighborhood, yet you don't have a real opinion on who that is (you weakly shade Wake88 but give an excuse for him as well). Despite how well the fake townslip push went on Day 1, you seem to want to use it to push DongFish as Mafia.

[Sujimichi]

why do you think i'm the vig Bla?

Because you are brave.

What happened to your view of the possibility of a Serial Killer?

[Sujimichi]

That doesn't answer my question. You called Eve the Vigilante while raising that it could be a Serial Killer when the probability of a Vigilante was raised prior. Why did you drop that concern?

[Sujimichi]

Eve is very obviously neither of those, by the way.

[Sujimichi]

From my perspective Eve is locked town pretty strongly.

Why is Eve "locked town" from your perspective?

[Sujimichi]

That doesn't answer my question. You called Eve the Vigilante while raising that it could be a Serial Killer when the probability of a Vigilante was raised prior. Why did you drop that concern?

The best way how to deal with possible SK is to behave to him like to vigi, then decide later game which of these role (s)he is.
I wanted to point out the possibility of SK before I died.

Thank you.

[Sujimichi]

I was going to post the same thing, but you beat me to it.
But yea, ppl wanting lvl 5 stone, it's not likely to happen just from voting for stones.

There is the possibility that actions used during the Night phase that are associated with that stone cause the stone level to increase. This would be the only plausible way I can think of, other than roles themselves, that could cause the level to reach the threshold for two mentioned powers in a timeframe in which they would be useful.

For example, we ended the day with the Thief Stone at level one; however, it is now at level two. If there was one successful Night action associated with the Thief Stone during Night 1, it would explain the increase of the stone to level two at the start of Day 2.

[Sujimichi]

Reasons. Suffice to say she's my strongest TL right now. By locked, I mean that not much outside of mod confirmation can change that. I'd even be skeptical of someone claiming to have copped a guilty on her.

I do not understand what reasons you have as a result of your claim nor why you are being reluctant to share them. You are implying you have a role related reason for them to be confirmed town to you.

[Sujimichi]

Dongfish is a different scenario completely to TD.
I thought Pine asking for everyone to claim was suspicious, but TD held the majority of my attention.
Finally, I redacted Thief because theres literally a thief stone there...

1. How is Dongfish a completely different scenario to TiphaineDeath?
   
2. Why did TiphaineDeath hold the majority of your attention over Pine? You seemed to quickly forget Pine's actions once TiphaineDeath began to get attention from other players.
   
3. What does the fact that there is a Thief Stone have to do with your redaction? My flavor is Sneak Tools, and I did nothing to redact that.

[Sujimichi]

Why would scum want to kill you??

Our mod is Really Useful Dragons and ive claimed that if any stone gets to lvl something happens that we get Mod confirmed during.

You dont think scum might be worried about that?

-Fishy

I believe your partner claimed that you become an Innocent Child. If this is the case, your role is not that concerning depending on the accuracy of your read on other players.

[Sujimichi]

Might be time to reveal that I caused the theif stone to get to lvl 2 last night, but not because of a successful action.

Someone roleblocked me and made my actions fail, which hopefully implies that I'm more lilely to be town to you guys?


PEDIT: Expiry date of like.... 2-4 days, by which the game would have ended

How do you know that you are the cause of the Thief Stone increasing by a level? Was this confirmed by the moderator? Also, how do you know that you were roleblocked? There are other explanations for your intended actions not resolving as you intended them to.

[Sujimichi]

UNVOTE:

I am not going to have a repeat of Day 1.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: alimdia

I read through your interactions with Pine, and you seem to outwardly project that his behavior was scummy, but you do not actually do anything to push him and you never voted him. Pine also votes you early on without a strong push and then uses TiphaineDeath's vote on you to push TiphaineDeath as mafia. Your redaction of the word Thief from your flavor seems to come from a place of fear of how it will be interpreted where I think town would just claim it. You have posited that one scum exists in your neighborhood, yet you don't have a real opinion on who that is (you weakly shade Wake88 but give an excuse for him as well). Despite how well the fake townslip push went on Day 1, you seem to want to use it to push DongFish as Mafia.

Dongfish is a different scenario completely to TD.
I thought Pine asking for everyone to claim was suspicious, but TD held the majority of my attention.
Finally, I redacted Thief because theres literally a thief stone there...

1. How is Dongfish a completely different scenario to TiphaineDeath?
   
2. Why did TiphaineDeath hold the majority of your attention over Pine? You seemed to quickly forget Pine's actions once TiphaineDeath began to get attention from other players.
   
3. What does the fact that there is a Thief Stone have to do with your redaction? My flavor is Sneak Tools, and I did nothing to redact that.

1. Its a different scenario because I didnt push TD for fake town slip, MY case on TD is in post 243. I first voted him because he wouldn't give reasons for his votes. Pops said TD was a fake townslip and Pine followed Pops on the wagon, not me.
2. Well we stopped the massclaim and yeah I tunneled quite a bit. TD was pretty rapidly hammered (half the day left) so I didn't have a chance to fully look at everyone in detail.
But I did look at other players near the tail end. Looking at it now, in Pine's post 326, she said that me and TD are distancing/bussing and us being SvS pre-flip. I'm pretty sure that points me as town.
3. My flavor had 'thief' in there.

I'm gonna look at other ppl other than Dong as well later when I'm free.
Also wanna see what Dong said about TD

Thank you for your response, and I will look at it more in depth tomorrow when I can adequately address. Could you also answer my questions in post 685?

[Sujimichi]

I believe my reference was clear in that I was referring to the end of the day and how quickly it occurred.

[Sujimichi]

If alimdia is Mafia, who do you think is their most likely partner?

[Sujimichi]

Why could not your action fail if someone else was restricted in some manner? Did you intend to say actions in your second sentence?

[Sujimichi]

Nah, I meant action. I mean, for example my action could have failed if they commuted? But role blocker is the most likely scenario. Either way, the thief stone went to lvl 2 because of me. Does anyone want to challenge that?

How do you know that you are the cause of the Thief Stone increasing by a level? Was this confirmed by the moderator?

[Sujimichi]

Does anyone disagree with my {Mastina, Aeronaut, Wake} grouping?

The other players have had fairly townie isos given the claim stuff going on

Yeah, sounds you have nothing but bullshit to put me in your Scumpile.

What were you thinking?

Why do you feel you should be in his, or anyone's, "townpile?" You haven't contributed much to the game overall.

[Sujimichi]

Does anyone disagree with my {Mastina, Aeronaut, Wake} grouping?

The other players have had fairly townie isos given the claim stuff going on

Yeah, sounds you have nothing but bullshit to put me in your Scumpile.

What were you thinking?

Why do you feel you should be in his, or anyone's, "townpile?" You haven't contributed much to the game overall.

I didn't say that, did I?

And you, Sujimichi, should know that activity does not equal alignment.

You did not say that. However, gobbledygook's reads were established via process of elimination from those that he has a reason to have a townread on, and so a reasonable question to ask of someone who disputes being in identified as Mafia would be why should you be in a townpile?

I also did not say that activity is the equivalent of alignment. I said that you haven't contributed much to this game overall and that is indicative of the content you have made, not your overall activity level.

[Sujimichi]

What's CNY?
Also, using my power 4 times without the mage stone means I die.
Lvl 5 on any stone might be too powerful. If we have both an op mage stone power, and an op thief stone power, that's too much op power, meaning scum is likely the owner of one of those op powers.
Because balance.

Assuming fish is being legit town here, I could see their role as being a sort of counterbalance in case ohshit town done fucked up now by making scum insane op.

One confirmed town role after several day phases is not a good counterbalance to "scum insane op."

[Sujimichi]

Apologies for my absence. This weekend has been busy. I will catch up fully tomorrow.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Wake88

I do not understand his desire to have his Neighborhood active thus voting the Warrior stone, yet he does not use it. He has now several times promised to catch up or look over the game, yet does not answer questions directed toward him. I cannot see how this is a Town mindset. I can, however, see how this is someone disengaged with their role or alignment. One of Aeronaut or Wake88 is likely Mafia, and I would like to start here.

[Sujimichi]

While true, that does not detract from his statement:

I for one want to actually be able to use our Neighborhood.

And yet, he does not use it. It also does also not take away from everything else that I said.

[Sujimichi]

The reason I decided not to use our Neighborhood is because there's, in my opinion, a high likelihood of Scum being within that Neighborhood. It would not surprise me.

Are you implying that you did not originally think that there was Mafia in your Neighborhood? If so, what changed between your original statement and your decision not to utilize your Neighborhood?

I am a Town Bodyguard. If I reach level 5 I become an Elite Bodyguard and can kill the attacker upon my death if they attack who I'm bodyguarding.

There are more powerful roles than your ability even powered up, so your selfishness in this regard was detrimental to town (this assumes you are Town). You cannot be allowed to live until endgame now. You are aware of this, correct?

VOTE: Aeronaut

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Blatant Scum

I am concerned that the lack of activity is going to be very detrimental to town.

[Sujimichi]

Xtoxm replaces Aeronaut!

Now we just need to somehow con kuribo into joining us here.

Are you going to contribute anything of substance to this game?

[Sujimichi]

can someone give me a rundown of what mechanical info is public
pretty pls

There's other more role specific info out there, but here's my roleclaim along with a compilation of everyone's flavor claims:

Post: 567

thank you!
i was hoping the game might move a bit faster to get some 'in-action' reads, but looks like i'll have to go the game to get anywhere.
i'll start working on that tonight.

You are going to have to assist us in getting the game active if you would like anything of note. There are far too many players not actively participating at this moment.

[Sujimichi]

suji - not getting much here. null, i guess.

You read my posts and you truly believe there is not much that I have said? Not even enough for you to determine my alignment with some degree of accuracy?

[Sujimichi]

I do not believe you have actually read the previous content with any sense of thoroughness at current.

[Sujimichi]

I do not have a full opinion of everyone at the moment given the state of the game. There is one Mafia in you, alimidia, and Wake88. That is where I want to focus at the current time.

If you have scanned my ISO you would have seen my thoughts on this.

[Sujimichi]

I believe you have said you consider your Neighborhood a Masonry; however, alimidia did not get that sense (and in fact stated the opposite). I would like to understand why there is a discrepancy there.

[Sujimichi]

Why could the Thief Stone not power up scum roles independently of the Private Thread? The Neighborhood Thread, not specified as a Masonry, is also unlikely to be viewed as such given similar in other games, so why is this a good counterbalance?

[Sujimichi]

Do you expect Mafia to provide you with this evidence? I do not believe they have informed us of a Roleblocking ability, yet alimidia (who is in your Neighborhood) has claimed to have been Roleblocked. In addition, you can see that all of TiphaineDeath (Town), popsofctown (Town), and Pine (Mafia) did not require Stone level 5 in order to use their abilities, though popsofctown's required an equivalent or lesser Stone level to phase level. Do you expect Mafia to inform us of their remaining abilities and how they work?

You are making assumptions without, admittedly, being fully read through and that is dangerous if you are Town.

[Sujimichi]

ok, having now looked at those flips i have to cede that point.
however, i feel closing scum pt vs closing all town hood is a more like-for-like setup balance
hurting scum twice and trying to balance that by giving scum a thief stone power seems clunky
pines flip also shows that his role had no benefit from thief stone, so thats 1/3 (presumably) of the team that gain nothing from that activation.

Perhaps all Mafia Power Roles are all independent of the Stones (as Pine's power was independent of a Stone) which would then hinder Town (see: TiphaineDeath requirements and two claimed Town requirements from Wake88 and DongFish) with Stone-required activation whilst allowing Mafia to freely utilize their roles. This would render your private communication point moot.

I do not think it is a good argument for your Neighborhood thread being a Masonry.

[Sujimichi]

Is a Rolestopper the counter-role to Roleblocker?

[Sujimichi]

Then I believe my vote is adequately placed at the moment despite my other reservations.

[Sujimichi]

Perhaps all Mafia Power Roles are all independent of the Stones (as Pine's power was independent of a Stone) which would then hinder Town (see: TiphaineDeath requirements and two claimed Town requirements from Wake88 and DongFish) with Stone-required activation whilst allowing Mafia to freely utilize their roles. This would render your private communication point moot.

umm...i dont see what one thing has to to with the other here, and why you think it makes my point moot?

You are linking Private Thread communication between alignments as the only means with which to balance each other and making definitive conclusions when there are other possibilities.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: alimdia

I read through your interactions with Pine, and you seem to outwardly project that his behavior was scummy, but you do not actually do anything to push him and you never voted him. Pine also votes you early on without a strong push and then uses TiphaineDeath's vote on you to push TiphaineDeath as mafia. Your redaction of the word Thief from your flavor seems to come from a place of fear of how it will be interpreted where I think town would just claim it. You have posited that one scum exists in your neighborhood, yet you don't have a real opinion on who that is (you weakly shade Wake88 but give an excuse for him as well). Despite how well the fake townslip push went on Day 1, you seem to want to use it to push DongFish as Mafia.

I am currently alright with Blatant Scum, however.

[Sujimichi]

What is a level 5 elite bodyguard?

Allegedly, once the Warrior Stone hits level 5, Wake88 role changes from a Bodyguard to an Elite Bodyguard in which he also kills the player targeting the player he is protecting.

[Sujimichi]

May I have please permission to vote this?

Please do.

[Sujimichi]

@ Zenith, ask whether there is scum in primes.

"Is a prime aligned with scum?"

The answer is already "yes." Pine was Mafia.

[Sujimichi]

You were the one that included Pine in your list of players, Blatant Scum. I was responding to that post.

[Sujimichi]

Eve only stated you and Alimdia were in the Neighborhood with her and her explanation was as follows:

alimdia i picked you and Wake to be in my neighbourhood because you were the two i recognised from that normal game we played where Plank won - literally the only reason why

Given that there was an explained reason for the claim (though I do not think it was a good idea), what is your theory for why Eve, as Mafia, would fake claim a Neighborhood with players who are not in a Neighborhood with her?

[Sujimichi]

I didn't know Xtoxm is in hood.

That information is in the post you quoted at the top of this page. I do not believe you.

[Sujimichi]

I DO NOT like the idea that all 3 in the NH should be considered Town.

It's not logical and it's not safe.

I agree with this statement. I currently am most suspect of Xtoxm.

[Sujimichi]

I DO NOT like the idea that all 3 in the NH should be considered Town.

It's not logical and it's not safe.

I agree with this statement. I currently am most suspect of Xtoxm.

How come?

I already was suspect of Aeronaut for his end of Day 1 posting surrounding TiphaineDeath's lynch. His posts of substance did not start until after the lynch already occurred, and I find it odd he posted his stance on everyone and then started reviewing and posting about individual posts from players. I dislike Xtoxm posting a read list of all of the players and then after I called him out for not actually reading he admits to skimming and not reading thoroughly; however, he has a hard stance that the Neighborhood is all Town which, despite me providing points in refutation, he still holds to because it is a "neat design."

[Sujimichi]

If yes, then
VOTE: Mastina

I am fine with this vote as well. In addition to GuyInFreezer providing nothing of value this game, mastina has also provided almost nothing prior to her leave of absence, and I am now aware of how much she detests playing as Mafia. That said, if mastina is Mafia, she likely has laid out a detailed plan for her remaining partner.

[Sujimichi]

Blatant Scum is my preferred lynch for the day. He was not forthcoming to begin with despite allegedly having a Neutral role that could win with either alignment in the game, so I do not know what else he has not been forthcoming about. I am also skeptical as to if he has actually been truthful to begin with. It is quite possible he is Mafia aligned and is just trying to secure another night with which he can utilize his abilities to his team's benefit. I also do not want to rely on the possible Vigilante because, as Zenith mentioned, Blatant Scum has expressed he is bulletproof and the Vigilante could be tied to a Stone.

[Sujimichi]

I don't know what unjester means. Does him getting his wincon mean town can't also win?

Unjester

An Unjester is a role that wins if it dies during the Night (or via a daykill), and loses if lynched or if alive at endgame.

[Sujimichi]

So I am being lynched because I got a role which sucks?

From my perspective, it has very little to do with the role that you claim to have. I am voting you because you have not been forthcoming with the truth and have played in a manner this game which makes it very difficult to trust what you say. I do not know what role you actually have.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Thief Stone

[Sujimichi]

Who did you target last night, Wake88?

[Sujimichi]

In addition to not liking the Mage Stone's active effect, the Mage Stone leveler is dead whilst the Thief Stone's is still alive and I would like to work towards a stone level of 5 to confirm Dongfish. We need to activate the Thief Stone today.

[Sujimichi]

Makes sense that the 3 neighbours each level up a different stone

Do you still believe that one of you is Mafia?

[Sujimichi]

I have a lightning rod ability though

If we are talking about ability-related reasons, I would prefer to use my ability. Apologies.

[Sujimichi]

I think my pool is {Eve, Mastina, alimidia, Wake88}. I have many thoughts on Xtoxm's death, but for now, I will say that from a setup perspective, if I was scum with one of the neighbors (which is now impossible because of the Zenith and Dongfish revelations), I would not have killed the Mage Leveler as I would lose access to my powerful abilities. I could have a stone-independent power, but the better play is to attempt to increase the scum power as much as possible.

I have once again forgotten who is in the neighborhood, so I will need to look up that information to further speculate on this game.

Eve, the answer to why Xtoxm’s flip clears me from a setup perspective is here. I have made it known that I have powerful abilities attached to the Mage Stone. Killing the Mage Leveler makes it much more difficult to get those powerful abilities. Hence, I wouldn’t have made this kill if I was going to kill a Leveler.

How did you know xtoxm is mage stone leveler?

This is a very good point. It was not known that Xtoxm was a leveler of any kind, nor that there was any other leveler than the Thief Stone leveler. Also, the Neighborhood information is easily available, so I am not sure why that comment was made.

[Sujimichi]

I didn’t. But since he flipped, if I was scum with one of the neighbors I would know they are all probably levelers of some kind.

Correct me if I am wrong, alimdia and Wake88, but based on alimdia's early comment it doesn't seem like this was something that the Neighbors discussed or aware of and alimdia only inferred based on Xtoxm's role being made public today.

[Sujimichi]

I didn’t. But since he flipped, if I was scum with one of the neighbors I would know they are all probably levelers of some kind.

Correct me if I am wrong, alimdia and Wake88, but based on alimdia's early comment it doesn't seem like this was something that the Neighbors discussed or aware of and alimdia only inferred based on Xtoxm's role being made public today.

Apologies. This was answered prior to gobbledygook's most recent comment. I am now unsure why he made that comment even though clarification was provided.

[Sujimichi]

I did not say that I was considering that you are Mafia for that comment. I am trying to understand why you made the comment when it is false.

[Sujimichi]

Gobbletygook and dongfish are aligned.

Why did you end up choosing the "less appealing" option for that question?

[Sujimichi]

Who you calling less appealing?

VOTE: Alimdia

Kill it with our

Dragon Fire

Thanks for getting us to lvl 4 guys

Zenith was the one who said that using that question to determine if two players were aligned was a less appealing option than using that question to ask the specific alignment of a single player.

We are currently at Level 3 of the Thief Stone. If we lynch alimdia today, he will not be able to increase the level to Level 4 tonight meaning that we will not be able to reach Level 5 tomorrow.

[Sujimichi]

I am not sure how you reached that conclusion.

[Sujimichi]

Suji Eve maybe town?

Why do you view my alignment as "maybe town?"

[Sujimichi]

Whether vig can shoot us off of evens is important, since I can suicide without consequence if we have no other way to get back to odds.

Massclaiming in some form, not necessarily all powers but general role functions and restrictions, should come tomorrow.

What do you mean by “suicide without consequence?”

[Sujimichi]

Your role allows you to eliminate yourself?

[Sujimichi]

I think Suji killed Pine.

Why do you think this?

[Sujimichi]

Someone tell me why lightning rod + elite bodyguard isn't busted as all hell.

I do not understand. What do you mean that it is "busted as all hell?"

[Sujimichi]

Would not the Stone requirements make that combination of powers occurring during the same night unlikely within the time limit of the game? The Warrior Stone would have to be Level 5 and that Mage stone would have to be activated. Assuming we activated that Warrior Stone every day phase and that Wake88 is indeed a Leveler in addition to his Bodyguard/Neighbor role who can increase the Stone level by one during each night phase, it would be Day 3 before that power could activate. Gobbledygook has to have the Mage Stone active for his Lightning Rod ability to work so we would then have to wait until Day 4 to activate it and Night 4 for both powers to theoretically be active at the same time. With the set of circumstances required, would it still be considered to be a broken level of power?

Also, with the Stone levels that have occurred in this game, it is now impossible is it not?

[Sujimichi]

Wake88, why are you not voting alimdia?

[Sujimichi]

I think Suji killed Pine.

Why do you think this?

You’ve been giving off vig vibes today with the ability related plea for me to vote Thief.

I am not sure how you made that leap in logic as my request for voting the Thief Stone was predicated on not liking the Mage Stone's active effect plus the desire to increase a Stone level to five and the Mage Stone leveler being dead (1026). I only stated that I preferred my ability to your Lightning Rod ability when you presented that as your reason for wanting to vote for the Mage Stone despite what I previously said (1037).

[Sujimichi]

The possibility exists. Yes.

I am assuming you wanted to use that as a segue into how you would have to be town because of what has been stated regarding roles and results, but that is sidestepping my questioning as to your actual logic leading you to the conclusion that I am a vigilante. I would like to understand that.

[Sujimichi]

I am not sure why you felt the need to announce your suspicions. You had me in your “townblock” prior to my assertion I preferred a Thief Stone vote, so could you explain why? Also, please explain why Mastina is Your preferred vote for today.

[Sujimichi]

I do not like Pine's associations with alimdia as I mentioned toward the start of Day 2.

[Sujimichi]

I am okay with a mastina lynch today.

[Sujimichi]

To the person who asked me why Mastina.

That was me. Thank you. Could you also explain the following?

You had me in your “townblock” prior to my assertion I preferred a Thief Stone vote, so could you explain why?

Also, I am not going to dance around this anymore given that I have hinted at this in my posting yesterday (which is why I wanted something more from gobbledygook then my preference for the Thief Stone) and my Flavor Claim is indicative of it. I am a Vigilante, and I did kill Pine. I require the Thief Stone to work which is why there was no shot last night.

[Sujimichi]

wasn't Xtoxm townreading me?

He was not explicit in his read on you, but he did call you a "bright light" in this game.

[Sujimichi]

Uh.. because you need me alive at night to raise the theif stone to lvl 4? Literally throwing if you lynch me cos then dongfish can't get confirmed/not confirmed

I did not ask Wake88 why he was not voting you in an effort to secure your lynch. I asked Wake88 why he was not voting you becuase of his confidence that the Neighborhood was not all Town and Xtoxm's recent night kill. Per his thought process, you should be Mafia with a high level of confidence.

Spoiler:

I don't view hood membership as AI.

Thoughts on the assumption that a 3-player NH likely contains at least one Scum?

I, for one, do.

I DO NOT like the idea that all 3 in the NH should be considered Town.

It's not logical and it's not safe.

I targeted Dongfish.

Why?

I don't trust just obeying the commands of an unconfirmed player in my NH, when I know for a fact I'm Town and there's USUALLY (from modding experience) a high chance of Scum being in a Neighborhood, period.

And with the other NH member being killed, considering what he was discussing in there with us, I do not trust you to be Town in this game. Absolutely not.

This question was not directed towards you.

[Sujimichi]

I also don't see why scum would kill Xtoxm, wouldn't they kill Zenith or dongfish instead?
That screams like a third party/vig kill to me.

Xtoxm was not a Vigilante kill as I have recently stated.

[Sujimichi]

Thank you, gobbledygook. I apologize for my scrutiny earlier.

[Sujimichi]

I have already stated that I can use my ability each night the Thief Stone is active, and it is currently active.

[Sujimichi]

Also, I believe that Something_Smart has a claimed 1-shot Bulletproof ability and there has not yet been a missing kill.

[Sujimichi]

Bodyguard is *not* one of my abilities, but I think Wake is self resolving so it might be better to ask about another power.

Self-resolving?

As I said earlier, and Something_Smart also mentioned, with your role you are not meant to make it to LyLo; rather, you are meant to die in place of someone else.

If you make it to LyLo it is suspect.

[Sujimichi]

I will full claim tomorrow since you guys killing me today makes no sense

Wake probably protects dongfish again?

Why does Wake88 protect Dongfish again? That is not optimal.

[Sujimichi]

Correct, but he has no other powers whilst Something_Smart and I do. Something_Smart is protected by virtue of his role; however, I am not.

If Mafia shoots Dongfish, they accelerate confirmation and leave two Town roles that can narrow down the field. If Dongfish is Mafia, there is nothing that prevents his lynch tomorrow.

[Sujimichi]

Someone would know if they blocked a shot last night (unless I shot Something_Smart) and would have called me out for lying at this point. As I said, I did not shoot because I require the Thief Stone to be active (which is why you can see me pushing for that the entire game). Also to note, I am the only reason why one Mafia member is dead so perhaps we should focus our efforts on lynching the remaining Mafia instead of side theories.

[Sujimichi]

I would like for Wake to confirm his actions for tonight, and for us to confirm what we should do. Our options are to lynch Eve given the claim if suspicions there remain, and then I can use my vigilante power on mastina. Our other option is we can lynch mastina and then hope that Eve is not actually bulletproof. I am also open to shooting alimdia, but I will need to confirm with the moderator how Leveling actions work given night action resolution. I will do that now.

[Sujimichi]

Why wouldn’t it?

I am not sure. However, the moderator has read my question but has not responded so perhaps the answer is not as straightforward as you would believe.

[Sujimichi]

I would like for Wake to confirm his actions for tonight, and for us to confirm what we should do. Our options are to lynch Eve given the claim if suspicions there remain, and then I can use my vigilante power on mastina. Our other option is we can lynch mastina and then hope that Eve is not actually bulletproof. I am also open to shooting alimdia, but I will need to confirm with the moderator how Leveling actions work given night action resolution. I will do that now.

Why did you have to say that out loud

What is the harm in saying this for pubic view when we are trying to coordinate actions?

[Sujimichi]

alimdia, how did you know your actions were roleblocked during Night 1?

[Sujimichi]

I think if we lynch scum today (eve/mastina) , the vig should not shoot so we have more lynches to POE

We are currently with an even numbers of players alive. I believe that Something_Smart mentioned this. If I use my role to kill tonight, it does not deprive us of a lynch. Did you miss this?

[Sujimichi]

It’s pretty obvious that SS is not bulletproof.

How is this obvious?

[Sujimichi]

From deduction and asking the mod

I do not believe that the moderator would have told you that you were roleblocked upon being queried.

In regard to the discussion on me shooting or not; I will be shooting regardless of the lynch today.

[Sujimichi]

What is the current vote count? The moderator has not posted one in 5 days.

[Sujimichi]

Suj kill Alimidia

I would like for the moderator to confirm the order of action resolution prior to sending in an Alimdia kill as I would like for the Thief Stone to be able to make it to Level 5.

[Sujimichi]

The moderator confirmed that Leveler-type roles similar to Xtoxm's will still increase their associated stone if they are killed during the Night phase.

VOTE: Eve

[Sujimichi]

That is

L-1

if the above vote count does not make that obvious enough.

[Sujimichi]

UNVOTE:

Because Eve is in the process of elimination pool and I cannot eliminate him during the Night phase given our roles. Apologies, I thought this had been decided. Why mastina over Eve?

[Sujimichi]

Perhaps, but as you stated, leaving mastina and alimdia alive during the Night phase reduces the chance that Mafia are able to interfere with my kill. This is not the case if it is between Eve and alimdia.

[Sujimichi]

SS ask if VT exists

Something_Smart, I thought that you could not ask this question. Could you clarify?

[Sujimichi]

That makes sense.

VOTE: Eve

[Sujimichi]

Thank you for moderating, jjh927. I enjoyed this game. I also enjoyed playing with everyone here.

[Sujimichi]

UNVOTE:

DF, is your thing actually IC or dayvig?

Idm not getting a lvl 5 power for myself

Both. We can shoot at lvl 4 and then we get confirmed at lvl 5, so you die and then we get confirmed no matter what.

Why did you state this when according to the moderator, this power did not exist?

[Sujimichi]

Thank you. I did not want to take the chance on Eve given what had happened during the Day phase as, though I had not heard of a deathproof role, did not want to take the chance on his save from death extending to the Night phase as well. In addition, I did state that it was between you and mastina at the end of day, and I did not want to deviate that in case it impacted other roles as well.

[Sujimichi]

I believed it as well.

[Sujimichi]

Spoiler: Pine Interaction

Actually, I'll follow your lead, buttercup. That fake Townslip does look pretty forced.

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

Do you have any original thoughts of your own? This is the second time you have used popsofctown's viewpoint to support your own actions.

Not really, but I don’t need to. I’m openly skimming this game because I’m busy. I don’t like D1 and when I find someone who appears to be obvTown whose instincts I trust, I’m going to go with them.

And knock it off with the “are you going to answer my questions” bit. You aren’t entitled to have every little question answered, and demanding answers is a good way to entrench people against giving them. You get more flies with honey etc

You will find that I do not ask questions about everything that has been posted, so the questions I do ask I would like answered as they have game relevance. That is why I asked them. I'm not sure why you think I should knock that off or what you hoped to accomplish by telling me that, because I certainly will not.

1. There were seven days left, and there are several low content players. You are one of them.
   
2. There was no intent placed or request for a claim

Yes, the point of this game is to lynch scum. I would assume that someone who has been here for nine years understands the importance of generating content for later examination. Why do you feel the need to be snarky towards me?

I disagree with Pine about which day phase is most awesome, but I agree TD is scums.

You do your thing D1, and I’ll be the hero in the midgame

Because killing scum is the point of the game? I don’t even

I did not like Pine's interaction with me. As I stated, he seemed to be refusing to provide his own thoughts, instead relying on others, which I believed he could utilize later to shirk responsibility for any mislynches. He also came across as needlessly hostile to reasonable questions which I found to be dodging and disingenuous.

Also because of popsofctown:

popsofctown, what are your thoughts on Pine?

I think it is very unlikely Pine shares Tiphaine Death's alignment.

The very reason why I asked that question to popsofctown was becuase I was contemplating killing Pine and wanted her thoughts as she was my strongest townread. When Tiphaine Death was shown to be town, it cemented the kill on Pine.

I did not like your hammer, as I stated, but I did not find that a reason on its own to support killing you.

[Sujimichi]

It’s just too OP. No way a mod let’s that in the game unless all roles are OP.

I am not good at determining or inferring setup related things.

[Sujimichi]

Thank you.