BooneyToonz XIII: To Boon or Not To Boon - [END]

[RCEnigma]

I misread Latias and Latios.
Bonus points if you know what I misread it as.

I gather from the way the game started I'm lucky there was an open slot so I didn't have to hydra.

Latitude and longitude.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Venus and Mars

What's the exact wording if your wincon Nancy?

[RCEnigma]

That's an Elsa claim.

Chk - 1
Bambi - 0

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ego

I’m a huge Shakespeare fan.

@Drew, stop being a hydra hater. Once you try hydra, you never go back.

@RCE, strange RVS opening, unless it’s a joke based on LNT?

Yes

[RCEnigma]

Nancy, the voices in my head are all I can handle.

Titus, howdy.......but I thought you didn't do D1?

I read Titus exclusively based on day 1.

[RCEnigma]

Latitude and longitude.

Oh, boy! RCE rolled

SCUM

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VOTE: RCEnigma

~The one with the helmet

If this was an AP post I would scumlock this. But the judge couldn't read me if my alignment was painted inside his tin hat

[RCEnigma]

I think 50 is most likely town, and if so I think I have a reliable scumtell lined up for him.

I think A50 has an enjoyment tell. Which may not be alignment indicative as much as role indicative. That said I think he has more fun rolling town with power than scum with power.

[RCEnigma]

If this was an AP post I would scumlock this. But the judge couldn't read me if my alignment was painted inside his tin hat

Damn you for making me go against the Judge (if I die tonight, he did it)

OK, who is a suspect of yours? And WHY?

~A50

Titus for doing the ol "you can't have a serious vote pre-page 5".

The follow-up votes are more town than the initial vote even.

[RCEnigma]

He's following the logic.

Elaborate.

[RCEnigma]

I may have stabbed you in the back... But no one will ever take your place. Forever fishy's pocket.

[RCEnigma]

Asking about wincons is dirty pool.

Reading is fundamental.

Thought this was in response to A50. I don't actually hate that vote then.

It's a callback to another Booneytoonz game though, I didn't expect a serious response.

[RCEnigma]

But while we're on the topic I'm not thrilled about Nancy feigning like she didn't know what I was talking about when she referenced it specifically to case me in Magical Girl Upick.

[RCEnigma]

Wow, now I miss profii.

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Absolutely, BEF. Welcome aboard.

RCE, link plz. Also, your hams doing okay?

If you're asking for exactly where my back and forth with Nancy starts... No idea, but I can link you the game.

[RCEnigma]

My hams? I don't get it.

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viewtopic.php?f=56&t=78060

Day 1 somewhere.

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Titus for doing the ol "you can't have a serious vote pre-page 5".

Making sure your hammies are good after this fuckin stretch.

Oh boy, you're in for a treat when I go mr. Fantastic.

[RCEnigma]

Facts don't require convincing, fortunately.

[RCEnigma]

I don't, no.

[RCEnigma]

If you look me in my eyes and say you're town I'll fight for you.

[RCEnigma]

Bef is town. This is a serious read.

[RCEnigma]

I'm interested in the Shakespeare theory actually.

[RCEnigma]

I'm interested in the Shakespeare theory actually.

A50 if Titus is implying what I think she is she might be town here.

[RCEnigma]

and we all know Joan is untouchable on D1.

Best hottake btw.

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I'm interested in the Shakespeare theory actually.

Namely that scum have some form of Shakespeare in their pms but they are afraid they don't match up in someway.

So when chkflip posts a null at best theory, they make an RVS wagon or endorse it to deflect.

Hmm I thought you were getting at a traitor type interaction to be honest.

[RCEnigma]

I'm interested in the Shakespeare theory actually.

Namely that scum have some form of Shakespeare in their pms but they are afraid they don't match up in someway.

So when chkflip posts a null at best theory, they make an RVS wagon or endorse it to deflect.

Its mod confirmed flavor doesn't have bearing on alignment. So while the idea fits within the flavor narrative I don't think it would work in that way.

[RCEnigma]

How do you even have a read on Gamma yet? And on what basis are you not tr me yet? I was planning on posting some AP videos, I may not now.

I can read Gamma.. most of the time. He posted a read list and it was enough to get a read on him.

As for you, I'd say I have to be careful. AP is like "she's cool. Let's buy her a drink". JJD wants to see more as he thinks you have yet to towntell. I am "on between". I want to (actually maybe even need to) verify your akufnment beyond any doubt so we can start working together. We both know "at least one of us" won't live to see D3, so I may feel a bit too eager to eliminate any doubts on my mind and start actually signalling to you.

~The logical arboreal creature

Hmmm . . . you may be town here but I don’t understand your RCE tr. Both Titus and RCE are kind of weirding me out here.

Like, you brought it up in MG and it's the only reason I joked about it here. But then you acted like you had no idea what I was talking about and let chk run with it. That's sketchy Nancy.

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Usually there's multiple RVS wagons. Didn't happen here. Why? It's an aberration I rarely see.

I attributed that to the wagon on me gaining steam early and me confronting it.

But I hadn't really thought about why there weren't any other wagons forming.

[RCEnigma]

How'd that work out for scum!rce?

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How do you even have a read on Gamma yet? And on what basis are you not tr me yet? I was planning on posting some AP videos, I may not now.

I can read Gamma.. most of the time. He posted a read list and it was enough to get a read on him.

As for you, I'd say I have to be careful. AP is like "she's cool. Let's buy her a drink". JJD wants to see more as he thinks you have yet to towntell. I am "on between". I want to (actually maybe even need to) verify your akufnment beyond any doubt so we can start working together. We both know "at least one of us" won't live to see D3, so I may feel a bit too eager to eliminate any doubts on my mind and start actually signalling to you.

~The logical arboreal creature

Hmmm . . . you may be town here but I don’t understand your RCE tr. Both Titus and RCE are kind of weirding me out here.

Like, you brought it up in MG and it's the only reason I joked about it here. But then you acted like you had no idea what I was talking about and let chk run with it. That's sketchy Nancy.

NM, disregard my last post. No, what is “sketchy”, is for you to basically expect me to mindread you here. Is that coming from scum or more of your insane moonlogic, not sure yet.

What? There is no mind reading necessary. I feel like the point is valid.

[RCEnigma]

I'm gonna put a pin in this, put don't joke with Nancy in my diary, and move it along.

[RCEnigma]

Ngl that last post pinged me really hard

Was this in reference to me or chenn?

[RCEnigma]

Ngl that last post pinged me really hard

Was this in reference to me or chenn?

You

Both of those posts were from me, for clarification

Chen

Oh, you're Chen. I asked Titus about her theory.

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How do you even have a read on Gamma yet? And on what basis are you not tr me yet? I was planning on posting some AP videos, I may not now.

I can read Gamma.. most of the time. He posted a read list and it was enough to get a read on him.

As for you, I'd say I have to be careful. AP is like "she's cool. Let's buy her a drink". JJD wants to see more as he thinks you have yet to towntell. I am "on between". I want to (actually maybe even need to) verify your akufnment beyond any doubt so we can start working together. We both know "at least one of us" won't live to see D3, so I may feel a bit too eager to eliminate any doubts on my mind and start actually signalling to you.

~The logical arboreal creature

Hmmm . . . you may be town here but I don’t understand your RCE tr. Both Titus and RCE are kind of weirding me out here.

Like, you brought it up in MG and it's the only reason I joked about it here. But then you acted like you had no idea what I was talking about and let chk run with it. That's sketchy Nancy.

NM, disregard my last post. No, what is “sketchy”, is for you to basically expect me to mindread you here. Is that coming from scum or more of your insane moonlogic, not sure yet.

What? There is no mind reading necessary. I feel like the point is valid.

You

would, that’s why it’s difficult to sometimes read you.

How do you figure that? You seriously expect me to automatically know, it’s from town!you joking, BEFORE you even confirm it? *mind blown*

I wasn't using it as an alignment boost? I didn't expect you to townread me off a callback either. It's literally my rvs open.

[RCEnigma]

I'm interested in the Shakespeare theory actually.

A50 if Titus is implying what I think she is she might be town here.

1- I don't even know what you think she's inplying
2- You're the one who said to vote her. Pick another target with a good reason and I will switch my vote.

I thought Titus was implying there was a traitor crumbing between Shakespeare interactions or quotes. Which would have been a spicy take and a likely town!Titus one.

[RCEnigma]

Now, the logic behind that is obvious. If you're scum and A50 isn't, your partner would want me to vote A50. It's only useful if the preconditions are net though.

If A implies B you mean.

[RCEnigma]

I'm interested in the Shakespeare theory actually.

Namely that scum have some form of Shakespeare in their pms but they are afraid they don't match up in someway.

So when chkflip posts a null at best theory, they make an RVS wagon or endorse it to deflect.

Its mod confirmed flavor doesn't have bearing on alignment. So while the idea fits within the flavor narrative I don't think it would work in that way.

Okay, feeling a bit better about RCE now.

UNVOTE: I'm not likely to use this tactic in the future but for the record. Since ok2 I've found the best way to sort you is to rile you up early and see how you react.

I think this is the kind of... This is going to sound bad but... Self centered play I think lines up with town Nancy. Where you read other slots around their levels of agreement with your own view points.

[RCEnigma]

I'm interested in the Shakespeare theory actually.

A50 if Titus is implying what I think she is she might be town here.

1- I don't even know what you think she's inplying
2- You're the one who said to vote her. Pick another target with a good reason and I will switch my vote.

I thought Titus was implying there was a traitor crumbing between Shakespeare interactions or quotes. Which would have been a spicy take and a likely town!Titus one.

You’re starting to worry me again. She basically implied there was a Shakespeare quote when there wasn’t one. Speaking of, why haven’t you addressed that yet, @Titus?

It’s still sketchy af regardless but considering that there wasn’t even any Shakespeare quote, why isn’t town!Titus rethinking that theory?

I didn't read what she was referencing, I just asked about it.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Titus money where my mouth is.

[RCEnigma]

I'm interested in the Shakespeare theory actually.

Namely that scum have some form of Shakespeare in their pms but they are afraid they don't match up in someway.

So when chkflip posts a null at best theory, they make an RVS wagon or endorse it to deflect.

Its mod confirmed flavor doesn't have bearing on alignment. So while the idea fits within the flavor narrative I don't think it would work in that way.

Okay, feeling a bit better about RCE now.

UNVOTE: I'm not likely to use this tactic in the future but for the record. Since ok2 I've found the best way to sort you is to rile you up early and see how you react.

I think this is the kind of... This is going to sound bad but... Self centered play I think lines up with town Nancy. Where you read other slots around their levels of agreement with your own view points.

You actually did say the same thing in MG about reaction testing me to get me riled up but you were also over the top defensive in that. I’m not seeing that here.

Did I? I was probably scrambling and backtracking by then.

[RCEnigma]

Where is your quote located in the PM? Do not describe more.

At the risk of being attacked as a hypocrite, I think this is bad hat.

[RCEnigma]

Where is your quote located in the PM? Do not describe more.

At the risk of being attacked as a hypocrite, I think this is bad hat.

Why?

It's the very reason I think you were wagoned. Scum lack the knowledge is my theory.

No I get what you're getting at. But if I were scum and caught for something like the placement of flavor in my role pm.

A.) I'd be pissed and 2.) It would probably kill my desire to play mafia.

[RCEnigma]

So sophisticated that it's actually a lynch instead. I like how you think.

[RCEnigma]

So sophisticated that it's actually a lynch instead. I like how you think.

Are you reaction testing a reaction test?

More like a fortitude test.

[RCEnigma]

i'm also in the camp of there being no way Boon formatted scum and town PMs differently. it just doesn't make sense.

inconsistent formatting isn't a new thing for Boon. ;> it came up in the last game too.

and hello Dredd! i don't believe we've met as far as my memory goes, but correct me if i'm wrong.

+1

Exactly and that ironically is the scummiest part of her push on me.

Oh whaddya know, more fuckholes protecting you?

This is why I hate D1. People block me from sorting, make stupid votes and are annoying.

I'll take my football go home and solve the game tmo if this post rate keeps up with others besides A50 and Nancy posting.

You literally jumped on him for pointing out the truth about A F’s posting. Why the fuck would you sr him for that?

They didn't. They straight up lied. Highlighting A50 has 20% of the posts in this game is not fluff, like I said.

Since you're refusing to aid me in sorting you and proven to be an unreliable narrator at best (can't remember me hating day 1 which is universal but expect me to remember gambits), I am moving on and hopefully people let me sort Chara.

You that read wrong.

[RCEnigma]

You say that, but I have 0 good scum performances.

[RCEnigma]

Chara I think you're trying to pocket me and I'm going to let it happen semi reluctantly.

[RCEnigma]

And in the event one or both hit scum, no idea who was targeted.

[RCEnigma]

Did they claim even hider and odd hider respectively?

[RCEnigma]

Oh just even/odd numbers nvm.

[RCEnigma]

Nancy stop with meta. I detest meta. I also can't recognize what this is.

I get the feeling you hate everything. Is there something that you don't hate?

Cookies.

[RCEnigma]

I think it’s probably a joke but RCE and BEF could better comment on that.

FMPOV its's kind of a joke but I am still not trusting RCE.

Spoken like someone that's been hurt before.

Also the backstab thing isn't flavor relevant. Probably could have worded that better given the theme.

[RCEnigma]

To make it clear.
If there is a tracker who tracks 50 Judge Powers and gets a result, he has a guilty.

You mean town tracker obviously but I don’t think that works in reverse. Any tracker of any alignment can track him. All it would confirm, is who he visited, right?

Yeah but if he's disloyal and town, he can only visit scum.

[RCEnigma]

@Judges, do you hard claim 1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak Hider?

The role is different from Weak Hider.

No. I hard claim 1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak

Visitor

, with the non-consecutive modifier attached to it too but not mentioned in the title.

What's desperate?

[RCEnigma]

To make it clear.
If there is a tracker who tracks 50 Judge Powers and gets a result, he has a guilty.

You mean town tracker obviously but I don’t think that works in reverse. Any tracker of any alignment can track him. All it would confirm, is who he visited, right?

Yeah but if he's disloyal and town, he can only visit scum.

Yes and that’s why a tracker can confirm his target is scum but if he visits town, then his actions fail and he gets a recharge but if tp protects him, then he just has to say, he got results on Player X and then we know that Player X is confiscum or conversely, if his actions get refunded, then he can then confitown a slot. so I think his role BECAUSE it is disloyal can be extremely useful to us. A50’s role makes him similar to an alignment cop and I think TP should probably be on him, until which time he correctly uses up his shot on scum.

This sounds really good then. And I feel good about the enjoyment tell.

[RCEnigma]

Miller doesn't count as 3p right? But being desperate you can't target them A50?

[RCEnigma]

I'm still voting Enigma I think, so carry on chk.

Still, honestly Almost could be kept it up if he didn't just go "guys Chk is 100 percent confirmed town" and stuff.

Implying you scumread A50 for believing there's a miller? That's infinitely worse than the fluff argument.

[RCEnigma]

I never said I scumread Almost bro, I just was grouchy that he didn't play it as well as he could've. I blame AP for that.

Nice attempt to shade me though. That'll be noted.

Touchy, noted.

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I never said I scumread Almost bro, I just was grouchy that he didn't play it as well as he could've. I blame AP for that.

Nice attempt to shade me though. That'll be noted.

Touchy, noted.

You did shade him. Is this inline with my not getting your joke as being “sketchy” or about my presumed lack of humour?

The two aren't related sooo.

[RCEnigma]

I'm still voting Enigma I think, so carry on chk.

Still, honestly Almost could be kept it up if he didn't just go "guys Chk is 100 percent confirmed town" and stuff.

Implying you scumread A50 for believing there's a miller? That's infinitely worse than the fluff argument.

I never said I scumread Almost bro, I just was grouchy that he didn't play it as well as he could've. I blame AP for that.

Nice attempt to shade me though. That'll be noted.

Touchy, noted.

You did shade him. Is this inline with my not getting your joke as being “sketchy” or about my presumed lack of humour?

The two aren't related sooo.

You accused him of sr A50, when anyone reading his posts can clearly see that he was being critical of his failed gambit and not sr him. and when I didn’t mindread your rvs post, at first you called it “sketchy” and then implied I lacked a sense of humour or something. In what world is someone “touchy” for not exactly being a fan of being misrepped intentionally or unintentionally? Why not just say, you misinterpreted his post?

It’s this kind of defensiveness you’ve shown first to me and now Bambi, that’s making me wonder if Chk is right here?

Because it’s YOU he is voting for and NOT A50.

You're right, I read it wrong. I thought Bambi was giving scumread (me), townread (chk), and A50 could have been a townread if he didn't say "jdhsuh blah djdje".

Not that it makes me townread Bambi anymore or less, but justifiable I guess.

[RCEnigma]

dd, who would you consider lynching/not lynching today?

-latias

Can't you a solid answer on who to lynch at this moment tbh.

I think I made it clear who I don't want to lynch though.

I will, and I promise, grill Joan/replacement for Joan in the hood though..... and probably here as well.

I will say, something that I can't put a finger on irks me about Nancy(totally not because of the hydra thing I swear).

If Joan flakes it's safe to put a bullet there.

[RCEnigma]

Spoiler:

,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ BooneyToonz Guidelines ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸

Guidelines Key:

BooneyToonz Rolebook: Any Roles.
Boon Bank: 1 role.
Variants: 1 variant for mini, 2 variants for large. These variants can be an additional Boon Bank role.
ContraBoon'd: Never acceptable.

(¯`·._.·(¯`·._.·(¯`·._.· BooneyToonz RoleBook ·._.·´¯)·._.·´¯)·._.·´¯)

These roles are free game. Any of these roles are acceptable within the BooneyToonz games. This mostly coincides with the Normal Queue. Generally, when roles are added to the Normal Queue Guidelines, they shall be updated here as well.

Town Only

Vanilla Townie, Friendly Neighbor, Innocent Child, Juvenile Delinquent, Mason, Miller, Named Townie, Super Saint, Vigilante, Vengeful,

Mafia Only

Mafia Goon, Traitor, Named Scummie

Any Alignment

Babysitter, Bodyguard, Bunyip, Commuter, Cop, Detective, Doctor, Follower, Fruit Vendor, Gunsmith, Hider, Inventor, Jack of All Trades, Jailkeeper, Lover, Messenger, Motion Detector, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Psychologist, PT Cop, Roleblocker, Rolecop, Rolestopper, Tracker, Traffic Analyst, Universal Backup, Vanilla Cop, Visitor, Voyeur, Watcher, Willbooster

Third Party

Serial Killer

Modifiers

Activate,Announcing, Ascetic, Backup, Bulletproof, Complex, Combined, Desperate, Enabler, Informed, Macho, Neighbor, Non-Consecutive Night, Weak, X-Shot, Ninja, Compulsive, Loyal, Disloyal, Loud, Recharged, Reflexive, Simple, Split, Strongman, Night Specific (Any form, Even/Odd/Novice included)

(¯`·._.·(¯`·._.·(¯`·._.· Boon Bank ·._.·´¯)·._.·´¯)·._.·´¯)

These roles are roles that have been seen before, but are not free reign. One of these roles is acceptable, if more are used, they will take the spot of a variant role.

Symbiotic

During the first night of the game, you must target someone by PM'ing the mod. This action cannot be prevented by any means. If this person is ever successfully targeted for a night kill, you will be killed in their place. If you and your target are not of the same alignment, all investigative actions that are targeted towards you or your target will fail. In other words, you and your target will be ascetic for investigative roles only. You will not be informed of this.

Enchantress

Every night, you may target a player. You will force that player to commute, meaning any actions performed by or targeting your target will fail. If your target is not aligned with town, you will also commute during the night. You will not be informed of this. If you were to be roleblocked, your action will not go through.

StickyFruit Vendor

At night, you will give your target a "Sticky Fruit". They will be informed that they have received a Sticky Fruit, but not who they received it from. They will be informed that they may pass it along the following night. Any player given a Sticky Fruit will be immune to all actions, EXCEPT for killing actions, the night they receive the fruit.

Renegade

Each night, you may give a modifier (out of a given list) out to a player. This can be a permanent modifier or apply to only the next action.

Archaeologist:

Credit: Something_Smart

Each night, you will passively target each player who dies that night. You will get a complete list of all actions they took that night and all previous nights, and who was targeted by that action. (This is very strong but can be nerfed several way: limited-shot active ability, allowing them to see only actions taken in the same night, forcing them to target a player who died in a previous night instead of auto-targeting.)

Disabler:

Credit: Something_Smart

Any action targeting you at night cannot be used the next night-- players are informed of this as soon as it occurs (but the Disabler is never informed). Can affect the factional kill. (Optional: make this a targeted active ability instead)

Suicide Bomber

Anytime during the day, you may activate your ability. You will die, but you will be able to kill someone else with you immediately.

Hunter/Hunted

These roles will take the spot of the Boon Bank. Hunter has to have the Hunted killed before a specific day. These are innately Third Party, and can be combined with other roles. If they have something not in the Role Book, they will be considered Variants

❚█══█❚ ContraBoon'd ❚█══█❚

These are roles that are never allowed, not even as a variant role, however Extravaganza’s may use mechanics from this, a player cannot be the role themselves.

Non-Sane Cop, Blank Vig, Non-Sane or Quack Doctor, Cultist, Jester, Mafia Mason, Vanillaizer, Beloved Princess, Governor, Godfather, Percentage, Paranoid Gun Owner

@Boon, where can I find definitions for all of the Boon-specific roles?

I already checked the discussion thread.

They're already there tho. Enchantress, Hunter/Hunter etc. you already have them in the spoiled tag.

No, I meant the other ones, that don’t have definitions. The ones you can’t find either in the Boon Discussion thread or on Mafia Wiki.

You would have to go through old Booneytoonz games. That's where the role pool comes from. I had to do this for bunyip in LNT.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Loserdude Titus reading my mind.

[RCEnigma]

Agreed she's liable to lurk out as either alignment. But I've seen it more times out of scum!Joan than town!Joan.

[RCEnigma]

I like Aaron on time and response to pressure VOTE: Haggle

[RCEnigma]

RCE, you'll follow me onto the new player to get a wagon but not AF. Why?

I'd rather wagon someone I have no opinion of over someone I've already formed a read on. Even if it's not solid in Aaron's case.

[RCEnigma]

Gf is blacklisted.

[RCEnigma]

Oh. She had the same opening in Eisal as scum.

[RCEnigma]

Mmm lemme find it.

[RCEnigma]

Nevermind, it was just her saying she's portgas d. Ace, doesn't seem relevant.

[RCEnigma]

Yeah I'm on the Frost!town train as well.

Me, VnM, Frank, 50, LatLat, Titus, Frost...

Am I missing anyone?

Not really. I am not so sure on Frank or Frost but willing to let it go for ease of working together.

Can we not lynch the new guy just not to be rude?

Haggle or Ldog?

[RCEnigma]

PS: I'm trying to catchup from like the beginning. Been busy during the holidays. That wagon on RCE had alot of sheepy votes. Not sure why RCE felt that most of them were towny.

Initially felt like the pile on votes were strictly to get out of rvs with a wagon that had meat. While it's surface level Towny, chk and Bef are really the only two that interacted with me since the wagon started. Bef is the only one to semi-sort me.

[RCEnigma]

PS: I'm trying to catchup from like the beginning. Been busy during the holidays. That wagon on RCE had alot of sheepy votes. Not sure why RCE felt that most of them were towny.

Initially felt like the pile on votes were strictly to get out of rvs with a wagon that had meat. While it's surface level Towny, chk and Bef are really the only two that interacted with me since the wagon started. Bef is the only one to semi-sort me.

Why is "not interacting with you" scummier than interacting with you? I mean, your avi says you're scum already!

Because it indicates an attempt at sorting me vs. attempting a mislynch.

[RCEnigma]

And it took me ONE look at it to realize it too.

~JJD

I have been told I look a little evil

[RCEnigma]

I can't see without my glasses.

[RCEnigma]

Elsa gets me, Bambi on the other hand...

[RCEnigma]

O wise one. For the glory of Bambi Jay.

[RCEnigma]

On?

[RCEnigma]

I dunno. I'm trusting Venus in reading haggle at this point. I'd kill between drew/Joan and all of the other active slots feel town on tone or have townish contributions.

Ion really have a scum case at the moment.

[RCEnigma]

Do the thing, I believe in you.

[RCEnigma]

More Nancy towntells.

[RCEnigma]

More Nancy towntells.

Tell me something I don't know.

Though you can probably guess it, many don't give it much thought. Yes, dolphins do in fact have nipples. They are even semi-retractable (in the sense they are covered by small slits).

[RCEnigma]

HAPPY NEW YEAR FROM NY!!

[RCEnigma]

YEAH SO IS THE DAYVIG STUFF YOU GOOF

RCE keeps looking townier btw.

Dangit Nancy he's done nothing important, or even groveled at my feet. How can he be town?

Good point, we absolutely cannot locktown RCE until he grovels at your feet, kisses the floor in front of you and allows you to literally wipe your feet on him.

This isn't my fetish sorry.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Joan

I think R&J looks pretty damn good on a scum!Joan flip for diving into the quote

[RCEnigma]

Act 1 ends (expired on 2020-01-11 19:00:00) on

January 11th

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We have 10 1/2 days. Anyway, I wasn’t really thrilled at Karnage’s opening with 0 follow up, so maybe put a little pressure on that slot.

VOTE: Karnage

While I also agree with a Karnage vote since he's been active elsewhere on site. Joan is a way better one and is able to respond. Karnage probably just gets replaced.

[RCEnigma]

@Joan, you also sound a bit too chill over the sr on you. When I hardpushed you in Labrynth, you practically took my head off.

This is relevant as well as the crumbing and what really puts it over the top. Joan flipped on... Krazy I think it was? In boonwars over being cased as scum when she was town and this doesn't line up at all.

[RCEnigma]

Can we wagoon someone else, please?
I don't like the fact, that she became a leading wagoon so quickly.
I think that the traitor crumb is a little bit overelaborated to be real.
Furthermore, her calm reaction doesn't seem scummy to me.

-Romeo

Compare this reaction to this game

And tell me if you feel the same way.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Joan

I think R&J looks pretty damn good on a scum!Joan flip for diving into the quote

I looked it up first tbh

But also fuck her and sorry to the scum team who got such a shitty teammate.

No reason to be rude. Crumbing is actually a pretty smart idea tbf it was just executed in a way that happened to catch people's attention.

Yeah but you're being treated as conftown right now.

[RCEnigma]

The towniest confirmed red check. But fair, you can both have shared cred if Joan flips red.

[RCEnigma]

The towniest confirmed red check. But fair, you can both have shared cred if Joan flips red.

And A50 and I get nothing for finding that Overkill 1 HoB refererence and also connecting the dots between her incorrect “Macbeth i iii” quote and how it lines up perfectly with that LotR quote? Are you all freaking kidding me?

Free cred for everyone. Joan has to flip red first. Which means we have to flip Joan. Which means votes.

[RCEnigma]

Regardless of espresso's alignment he sounds like a cinnamon roll worth protecting. Shame Menalque isn't here for the pureboi meme.

[RCEnigma]

I kinda hate Haggle's push on davesaz and the slot just feels off in a way that I'm not sure how to describe, but will revisit at some point.

Is this because you have a different read on Dave or you think it's some attempted wagon redirection?

[RCEnigma]

well, i'm sick in bed but in a great mood. for however long that lasts, if someone would like to jam with me for a while please raise your hand. Titus maybe?
i could talk about Haggle. i called that hydra's posting surface level but didn't go further than attributing it to playstyle.
.

The reason why I can't really SR that slot rn is due to the % list thing that the one head did. Iirc he said he is going to stop updating it but the idea behind it seems like a genuine method of sorting. Does scum!haggle put that much effort into something?

There are other things I want to sink my teeth into but my first reaction to the +1 -1 was that creature already did this as scum. It was somewhat brought up in LNT I think? And the slot I was arguing with over it (Nero) also ended up being a sneaky scumbutt.

If it's not too much work for creature it's not too much work for anyone else.

[RCEnigma]

game in reference

It took a little digging. It's even color coded.

[RCEnigma]

I need to decide whether starting pushes on a substantial percentage of the player list to see who gets resistance and who doesn't is a town tactic or scum.
Going by meta it's probably more town indicative.

I've done enough re-reading of Haggle to lean town. It's kinda weak and I can see why some of the people might scumread them, but I think it's largely because their weaker stuff is more memorable than the stronger stuff.

What would you consider some of their stronger points? In a broad strokes manner, doesn't have to be specific posts. I'll probably catch it on reread.

[RCEnigma]

are y’all really calling haggle scum for someone else’s meta

-latias

I correctly quickhammered scum!Shos in Penguin based on his interactions with Robb being extremely similar to Thor’s interactions with Gamma in YGM.

I really don’t see how you’re misinterpreting RCE’s point here, which what I’m assuming you’re referring to?

the entire basis of your argument here is “haggle did this thing that someone else did once as scum, so they’re scum”

which doesn’t really hold up, especially given that it’s mostly stylistic and hectic has previously stated intent to do this, as i linked below

-latias

That's not how I was posing it or even why I posted that game. But on the other side of that argument is disingenuous to say putting in the effort to sort in that manner is more likely to come from town. It's not, and there's the example.

Agreed it's likely more style indicative of anything. But that doesn't have anything to do with alignment.

[RCEnigma]

UNVOTE: Joan of Arc
VOTE: Haggle

baa

Et tu?

[RCEnigma]

Chara reads like Data from Star Trek.

This wagon is total unbuttered popcorn.

I want something else to happen but lack desire to do it myself.

All of this.

@bef can you elaborate on your Chara scumread?

I felt like scum!Chara would definitely look to pocket me early following deathnote. But the more Chara posts the more I nod in agreement and my eyes glaze over. Which generally lines up with town!Chara.

[RCEnigma]

Oh I might have missed it. It's not a bad criticism. I just generally agree with the things you say as town but they don't particularly stick out. Your logic is pretty straightforward.

[RCEnigma]

Again I think it's a stylistic thing. I assume you're alluding to chk? I think he's a Nero type old school mafia player with aggressive pushes.

[RCEnigma]

dave: *noncommital "i don't know" noise*

Titus? it's tangential to my Titus TR. is tangential the word i want? not sure.

pedit: you've said that before, yes. i have a talent for being ineffectual but pleasant and uncontroversial. it's an asset when i'm scum but gives my towngame a wet blanket feel. i was referring to being likened to a robot, however.

pedit2: huh. if i'm lucky that Cowbells fact will still be relevant the next time we play together.

You love me and robots can't love.

[RCEnigma]

I've seen movies.

[RCEnigma]

Titus plays day 1 when she's forced to. That's as either alignment. But in the same way as Nancy her alignment becomes more clear the more she interacts with
A.) Slots around her and
2.) Pressure on her slot directly.

P.s. sorry for using you like that Titus.

[RCEnigma]

What Chara said.

[RCEnigma]

If it did it would go to A50 who originally brought it up.

[RCEnigma]

I've fallen behind a bit VOTE: Haggle think A50 is right about Joan being a reworded scum doc.

Just skimming the thread the haggle wagon had steam and got derailed for a wagon on flippy with like a singular content related post. That's fishy. But haggle was the wagon that popped up after Joan so idk how it relates just yet.

Also reevaluating my townreads because a fair amount of them are advocating the lurker lynch right now. Dunno if it's my bad reads or theirs yet.

[RCEnigma]

Umm Nancy what's the thing with Titus about?

[RCEnigma]

Let's not talk about hood mechanics.

I'm depressed. Can we murder someone?

Talking my language.

[RCEnigma]

I do however think that flavour may have played a role though, because both Drew and Joan claimed to be one of Petruccio and Kate.

I think it was explicitly stated that flavor is not indicative of alignment...

But is flavor linked at all to roles?

Other than flips, we obviously have no way of knowing that but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that two players with the flavour of Petruccio and Kate just happen to be sharing a hood.

I don't think so either, sounds like something our mod would pull

Is there a history of flavor playing a large role in games?

Mods recent Deathnote theme followed the lines of alignment =/= flavor but flavor ≠ role.

[RCEnigma]

The dash means equivalent right? I might just be dumb.

[RCEnigma]

Tbh I'm only interested in hard stances on the major wagons right now. 20 more pages of day 1 opinions on slots outside of those 3 isn't making or breaking the game.

Let's get a move on people.

[RCEnigma]

PS I'm totally fine flipping Joan over any of these wagons.

[RCEnigma]

What are people thinking about dr drew?

I'm not sure. I dont think hed be pushing my mislynch as hard as he is if he was scum, but I've only played with him once and it was when he was town and I was scum, so i dont know if that's his playstyle. I have seen some comments about pre-flip associatives that seemed weird, but they are assuming that I'm scum, so it can't be tmi. I dont really know what to make of it.

BP

I thought drew was pushing that both wagons were probably town but I saw on the last VC he's on one of the wagons so maybe I'm wrong.

[RCEnigma]

In terms of time elapsed, I feel this day has been going forever. Are we ready to end the day yet?

Ready boss.

[RCEnigma]

Intent.

[RCEnigma]

Yeah pretty much

[RCEnigma]

Kinda just wanna get out of day 1.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: R&J sure, I might not be around much longer.

[RCEnigma]

You are a Juvenile Delinquent. You will come across as an Evil Magical Disguise Lord of the Boonski’i if you are investigated for alignment. If you die, all Cop or Cop-like abilities will be disabled, meaning they no longer will be able to be used.

....

Well fuck our lives even harder.

What does Cop-Like even entail? Serious question.

Assuming rolecop or different forms of cop.

[RCEnigma]

Scum assigned Desperate at start of night 1.

I think there is a little reaching going on here.
You received a desperate (if we believe that) before your action took place. Whether it was beginning of night or not is another question.
But I can't find a scum motivation for claiming this and specifically claiming something that would cement A50 unless A50 is also scum.
Which means you're probably town but possibly misguided about what happened.

She is CLEARLY saying, “desperate” wasn’t in her role pm. I think Titus knows that her role has to have been changed. Titus is not terrible at understanding game mechanics, so I don’t understand why you are doubting this. Didn’t the fact that Expresso kill, eliminate cop-like abilities make you realize it’s very likely possible, if not actually probable?

I'd buy it, I was made Ascetic last night.

Someone giving out modifiers sounds a lot like Profiis inventor claim in LNT.

[RCEnigma]

Oh so all invests are locked now?

[RCEnigma]

You think scum are afraid of flavor claiming?

[RCEnigma]

Oh so all invests are locked now?

The ones that are "like a cop". There could be other roles that have an investigative outcome if used correctly, and we should explicitly not talk much more about that.

Already on the same page. Glad we didn't have this talk.

[RCEnigma]

I would imagine because CHK claimed his.

[RCEnigma]

We would have spent a large part of the day sorting between them instead if there were dual miller claims.

[RCEnigma]

Scum assigned Desperate at start of night 1.

I think there is a little reaching going on here.
You received a desperate (if we believe that) before your action took place. Whether it was beginning of night or not is another question.
But I can't find a scum motivation for claiming this and specifically claiming something that would cement A50 unless A50 is also scum.
Which means you're probably town but possibly misguided about what happened.

She is CLEARLY saying, “desperate” wasn’t in her role pm. I think Titus knows that her role has to have been changed. Titus is not terrible at understanding game mechanics, so I don’t understand why you are doubting this. Didn’t the fact that Expresso kill, eliminate cop-like abilities make you realize it’s very likely possible, if not actually probable?

I'd buy it, I was made Ascetic last night.

Someone giving out modifiers sounds a lot like Profiis inventor claim in LNT.

How can scum target so many players at once? Titus, Dave, You?

Was Dave given a modifier too? Or are you equating the loss of his gunsmithing with scum intervention?

[RCEnigma]

Scum intervention excluding the nk, cuz...well yeah.

[RCEnigma]

I felt you'd be the best target Nancy because you'd be the most likely target to realize I was making a meta reference. I didn't pick up all the quotes but it's enough to translate now.

Is still don’t get it, sorry Titus.:/. All you’re seeming to suggest is that Joan is in a pickle based on my googling that.

Yes in that post. Joan is a neighbor. I was a neighborizer. That's the pickle.

How do we know Joan is a neighbor?

And are you no longer a neighborizer?

Drew claimed neighbors with Joan yesterday.

[RCEnigma]

Chk might stroke out before the game ends.

[RCEnigma]

My God, we're all gonna claim and scum will win a perfect game aren't they?

Ok you first.

[RCEnigma]

I felt you'd be the best target Nancy because you'd be the most likely target to realize I was making a meta reference. I didn't pick up all the quotes but it's enough to translate now.

Is still don’t get it, sorry Titus.:/. All you’re seeming to suggest is that Joan is in a pickle based on my googling that.

Yes in that post. Joan is a neighbor. I was a neighborizer. That's the pickle.

How do we know Joan is a neighbor?

And are you no longer a neighborizer?

Drew and Joan outed their hood yesterday.

I am still a desperate neighborizer. So my role only works on scum and/or chkflip. But if I neighborize one, I die.

Tbh, I hate to ask for a doc heal but that makes a lot of sense here. I'll know if I get a guilty and so will my target though.

If I get healed from said kill, then I can out the result. Otherwise, I have a weak town suggestion.

For clarification you aren't putting two targets into a hood together. Just you and your target right?

[RCEnigma]

Derp, Appearantly investigations happen at the end of it? Shite, that's rough.

We just did this in deathnote. Same mod and all.

[RCEnigma]

The role says it takes effect on death. Not on flip.

[RCEnigma]

Any target claims involving creature or A50 need to wait until after A50 shows up.

[RCEnigma]

That being said, love the reachout. If I was game blind, I'd sheep it.

I've been trying to learn how to VCA through what you have showed and told me ^_^

~Venus

Is there a course for this cuz, interested.

[RCEnigma]

Also using what you taught me Titus

Romeo and Juliet [11]: Chara, Espressojet, Haggle, Venus and Mars, Amrun, davesaz, AaronFrost, BrightEyedFish, Titus, RCEnigma, Bambi Jay ——— [EXECUTED]
Emperor flippyNips [4]: Creature, 50 Judge Powers, Frank, Latias and Latios,
Haggle [3]: Doctor Drew, RCEnigma, Romeo and Juliet
Chkflip [1]: Joan of Arc

Not Voting [2]: Clemency, Emperor flippyNips, Chkflip

Based on the last VC Dave is in the scum sweet spot with 50 being on another wagon for safety(not being first voter). I could see bright eyed being scum as well based on that since I am null on him.

It's a decent theory based on the votes. I don't see Dave going all in on his claim though as scum. He would have to be lying about what the moderator told him about his result and double down on it. Dave could be misunderstanding town or Boon made a consistent mod error but Dave's not likely scum by play.

There's a reason I wait until D3 and a scumflip.

That being said, love the reachout. If I was game blind, I'd sheep it.

Also think the nightkills being on wagon istead of offwagon makes Dave+Bef a lot more unlikely.

[RCEnigma]

P-edit: VCA is all about asking "Given what flips we know, what would be scum's desired outcome?" That's why it's more useful later in the game. That's also why we don't have enough.

Running under the assumption Dave!Town+Haggle!town the haggle wagon at it's height probably makes a good cross section.

Also assuming the 'you' mentioned is Venus.

Dave, creature, LandL, Titus, chk, Venus is your block aorn?

[RCEnigma]

Oh we also need to hear from Joan today after A50 pops in.

[RCEnigma]

I was thinking A50 could be the symbiotic role but that would require him to have lied about his modifier as town or it would be scum symbiotic which makes him and his target Ascetic when targeting town.

[RCEnigma]

I don't see the point in discussing this until Almo gets back.

-Hectic

Fair enough. I also discovered a 5th likely possibility in the boonbank.

Oh was that the symbiotic thing?

[RCEnigma]

They can't coexist in this game.

[RCEnigma]

Nvm they can take the variant slot.

[RCEnigma]

Act 1, Scene 4

Haggle [6]:

Romeo and Juliet, Titus, Amrun, AaronFrost, Chkflip, Doctor Drew

Joan of Arc [3]:

50 Judge Powers, RCEnigma, Bambi Jay,

RCEnigma [2]:

Frank, Emperor flippyNips,

Espressojet [1]:

Haggle

Romeo and Juliet [1]:

Chara,

Chkflip [1]:

Joan of Arc

Not Voting [7]:

Creature, Latias and Latios, Karnage, davesaz, espressojet, Venus and Mars, BrightEyedFish

With

21

alive, it takes

11

to execute.

Act 1 ends (expired on 2020-01-11 19:00:00) on

January 11th

.

Mod Notes:

Don’t be outta pocket.

Creature replaces LoserdudeOG.

Prodding where necessary.

Act 1, Scene 5

Emperor flippyNips [5]:

Creature, Venus and Mars, 50 Judge Powers, Davesaz, BrightEyedFish

Haggle [5]:

Romeo and Juliet, Titus, Amrun, AaronFrost, Doctor Drew

Romeo and Juliet [3]:

Chara, Espressojet, chkflip

Joan of Arc [2]:

RCEnigma, Bambi Jay,

RCEnigma [2]:

Frank, Emperor flippyNips,

AaronFrost [1]:

Haggle

Chkflip [1]:

Joan of Arc

Not Voting [2]:

Latias and Latios, Karnage,

With

21

alive, it takes

11

to execute.

Act 1 ends (expired on 2020-01-11 19:00:00) on

January 11th

.

Mod Notes:

Don’t be outta pocket.

Karnage will be replaced if they don’t post in a timely manner, probably when I wake up tomorrow.

Act 1, Scene 6

Emperor flippyNips [6]:

Creature, 50 Judge Powers, Davesaz, BrightEyedFish, Frank, Latias and Latios

Haggle [5]:

Titus, Amrun, AaronFrost, Doctor Drew, RCEnigma

Romeo and Juliet [5]:

Chara, Espressojet, Haggle, Venus and Mars, chkflip

Joan of Arc [1]:

Bambi Jay,

Frank [1]:

Romeo and Juliet

Chkflip [1]:

Joan of Arc

Not Voting [2]:

Clemency, Emperor flippyNips,

With

21

alive, it takes

11

to execute.

Act 1 ends (expired on 2020-01-11 19:00:00) on

January 11th

.

Mod Notes:

Don’t be outta pocket.

Joan of Arc was prodded.

Act 1, Scene 8

Romeo and Juliet [11]:

Chara, Espressojet, Haggle, Venus and Mars, Amrun, davesaz, AaronFrost, BrightEyedFish, Titus, RCEnigma, Bambi Jay ——— [EXECUTED]

Emperor flippyNips [4]:

Creature, 50 Judge Powers, Frank, Latias and Latios,

Haggle [3]:

Doctor Drew, RCEnigma, Romeo and Juliet

Chkflip [1]:

Joan of Arc

Not Voting [2]:

Clemency, Emperor flippyNips, Chkflip

With

21

alive, it takes

11

to execute.

Act 1 ends (expired on 2020-01-11 19:00:00) on

January 11th

.

Mod Notes:

Don’t be outta pocket.

Latias and Latios were prodded.

Wagon movements minus context. I meant to look into this early and burned myself out with other things.

[RCEnigma]

Bambi why are you using deathnote to discredit Titus claim? Where deathnote was designed around the hood mechanics specifically and this is definitely not.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: drew at this rate we might as well massclaim. Or we just do 2-3 fake hammers a day.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: drew at this rate we might as well massclaim. Or we just do 2-3 fake hammers a day.

Or we could vote Nips.

I mean maybe, but I think flip being a major wagon day 1 is slightly town Indicative? In the sense that town!flippy is an easy enough day 1 target for scum more times than not. Drew put out that weird day 1 all three of these wagons likely town thing and 2/3 are semi resolved as town. If we lynch flippy and he's town then tomorrow's lynch is likely drew anyways so this is cutting out the middleman.

I also don't buy that drew believes AF being put into their neighborhood implicates both AF and Titus as scum. He framed it as a mechanical reason to suspect Titus neighborizer claim. But like there isn't anything mechanical or logical about thinking Scum!Titus puts their partner in an already established hood and then claims a target on A50 that fails, which is then corroborated by creatures failed result on the same slot.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Drew

So in the end we're still killing someone from that neighborhood.

VOTE: drew at this rate we might as well massclaim. Or we just do 2-3 fake hammers a day.

Both scum I reckon.

-Hectic

No u.

[RCEnigma]

I mean maybe, but I think flip being a major wagon day 1 is slightly town Indicative? In the sense that town!flippy is an easy enough day 1 target for scum more times than not. Drew put out that weird day 1 all three of these wagons likely town thing and 2/3 are semi resolved as town. If we lynch flippy and he's town then tomorrow's lynch is likely drew anyways so this is cutting out the middleman.

Flippy is not town. This assumes Flippy is town to get to Flippy town.

Well yeah if I assumed scum I'd be voting there.

What do you think about the second part about the mental gymnastics?

[RCEnigma]

@Emperor Flippo: Could we have a shotgun reads list please?

-Hectic

Ditto for drew.

[RCEnigma]

I'm not gonna coach you, dude. Keep playing.

But if I have to read about your exquisite scum game one more time I'm going to caps lock tunnel you FATE style.

Bambi and RCE have found themselves voting next to one another four times this game. That's... peculiar, is it not?

Tbf I saw Bambi vote in the pre edit but meh. My reads on Bambi are always love hate but we're kind of on the same page.

[RCEnigma]

Who said they're climbing? I assume resting between climbs?

I lol'ed.

[RCEnigma]

RCE let's solidify our bond once again and join me on V&M's quest.

It's already solid on my end.

[RCEnigma]

I'm offended.

[RCEnigma]

The internet is no place for jokes.

[RCEnigma]

Sustained.

[RCEnigma]

THIS IS MY HOUSE *gavel bang*

[RCEnigma]

Umm Titus. How does Bef being town affect your VCA reads?

[RCEnigma]

I know A50 walked back the hider claim. What did he claim in place of hider?

[RCEnigma]

Visitor. I probably should have grabbed that post while I was in his iso lol.

[RCEnigma]

Oh NM, it’s town you can’t hide behind then, so if you hide behind town, you get your charge, “refunded”?

Yes. And now you see that I have misplayed this all the way to China. If I hide behind Scum I die. If I hide behind Town Scum shoot me and it looks like I died from hiding behind Scum so that's a mislynch. That always happens when TOWN get overly curious and eager to find out as many details as possible about a TOWN ROLE.

Still, my bad. I am not targeting anyone, or at least not announcing it beforehand. If I survive I will give you one confirmed Townie. If I die then at least Scum can't use my death to frame another Townie.

You know what? I am not even a HIDER. I am a VISITOR. Since I misplayed it so bad it's best to blow the cover. I only replaced Visitor with Hider in my title to try and SURVIVE THE NIGHT. I did say I was available for all other types of action (non-killing) though. I could be investigated, tracked, seen visiting.. etc, as well as RB'd, JK'd and even Doctored. (Again, I asked the Doctor not to target me counting on my gambit that Chemist so kindly managed to destroy to pieces). Like, why do they always think scum me would be so stupid as to claim unpromted AND manage to scum slip too?? Am I so bad a Scum in your perception?? Like, very few players let me be when I town gambit. Chara ALWAYS waits to see "what next?" before they say anything. They know I'm up to something and don't know whether it's town or scum motivated, but they also know interfering ruins the plan if I'm town so they let me run the gambit to it's full and THEN decide what the motive was.

Anyway. not blaming anyone but myself still. I thought by claiming Hider that I'd be immune to Scum kills and thus use my role optimally, but then not only did I get CC'd but also asked about whether or not I evaded non-killing actions, and if I lied there I would have not only been caught in it but probably forced a TPR to out in the process too.

@Bambi: I concede you are MUCH better than I am at gambiting as Town. Kodus to you, my friend.

@Nancy: I know you must be confused by now. Forget ALL I said (or what you think I said) before. My role is:

1-shot Recharged Desperate Weak Visitor

and I can't use my ability 2 nights in a row. I have already explained all the modifiers. (When I saw that

Modifiers Stew

Boon had cooked for me, my response was "good think you didn't come across

Compulsive

too).

Anyone else got any questions?

[RCEnigma]

Umm Titus. How does Bef being town affect your VCA reads?

It's odd. I'd go back to the VCs and figure out who the scum was that saved Nips.

I don't see evidence BEF is town though.

Can we run it through a hypothetical?

[RCEnigma]

So no actions on A50 didn't fail because of hider. Since he's not a hider.

[RCEnigma]

That's... Sorta relevant I guess?

[RCEnigma]

Well that puts me between a rock and a hard place because I like Amrun too. I would probably have AF closer to town than her though. Bef I'm more sure is town than anyone else, he told me so.

[RCEnigma]

Mixtape when?

[RCEnigma]

Drew's alignment has no reflection on Flips alignment.

The TMI thing is garbage.

The VCA thing is the only valid criticism of my Flipcase. This is the first time I have done it.

VCA is garbage when we don't have a scumflip yet.

Do you really not think Drew was perspective slipping in the posts Nancy linked?

Idk anything about VCA. Nothing meaningful anyway and I kind of like everyone that was on the R&J wagon. Chara, Amrun, Bambi are the ones I'm least sure about but with the exception of Chara they still seem townie. Charas only in the iffy pile because I don't know how to feel about them trying to buddy me day 1.

Off topic: This post is from the side of the road since my wheel decided it didn't like being on the axle.

[RCEnigma]

Like look at that post he just did and tel me he didn’t come up with it with tinfoil on his fucking head. That’s town.

Idk that's not tinfoil that's a trend. I gave it some thought briefly but it requires Bambi!scum to be involved with fake hammers back to back on two separate days and at least once on town. Twice if AF is town here.

It seems more like correlation than causation.

[RCEnigma]

RCE! How dare you take page top and not say first in homage to our fallen companion.

Also Nani the fuck glad you're alright enough to post.

Also also what buddying from Chara? I do not recall this.

Also also also did you notice that you have a tendency to vote before/after someone you're least comfortable with? That's weird to me. Talk to me about your feelings re: Bambi plz.

Pedit: that's not what I gathered from that post. Elaborate Mars kthx.

Pedit2: hard agree.

I'm pissed but going through the game is helping a bit.

Anyway Chara gave me the easy townread when it was somewhat controversial-ish. I still had the wagon on me. But used the game we recently finished (deathnote) to form the read and it felt mostly superficial. That doesn't fit my expectation of Charas townplay but I also don't think I've seen them as scum. So it's mostly that I haven't seen Chara do it before and it weirded me out. Bef backing that up kind of reinforced it. Or influenced it maybe.

I don't feel uncomfortable about Bambi. Just not as confident in my read there. Idk if you know but Bambi is the best kind of psychopath. I didn't know we were voting in tandem until you said something so that's kind of more a question for Bambi than me no?

I don't scumread them, light townlean. I haven't had much Bambi engagement but seems like we're on the same page with how pressure should be applied and where we think scum lines up. Which is honestly the closest I'll get to understanding a Bambi Jay thought process.

[RCEnigma]

Not the take I was expecting but, approved.

[RCEnigma]

Worst voting in the game

You might want to sit down for this but. We have the same votes.

[RCEnigma]

StickyFruit Vendor
Spoiler:
At night, you will give your target a "Sticky Fruit". They will be informed that they have received a Sticky Fruit, but not who they received it from. They will be informed that they may pass it along the following night. Any player given a Sticky Fruit will be immune to all actions, EXCEPT for killing actions, the night they receive the fruit.

Listen guys I have proof that a variant of this role exists n in this setup. Someone. I have no clue who or what alignment, sent me dirty laundry.

Were you told that you could pass it along the following night?

No, I was obviously mistaken, it’s probably a variant of regular fruit vendor - except it’s anonymous - so if it doesn’t actually do anything/confirm a slot. wtfs the point of the role even existing or being used. I have no clue.

It could be modifier tied. But if no one's come forward it's likely not a guilty so not worth outing over.

[RCEnigma]

Yeah but I'm talking loyal/disloyal or something similar. Not something you would get feedback from just by getting the fruit.

[RCEnigma]

The original question, smart ass.

Obv I saw that one.

That was the question.......yes it was presented to everyone.......but you could of not been a smart ass and just answer it instead of being like everyone who scum reads me and doesn't answer my questions. You were engaging me at the time, I guess only you can question me and not vice versa.

And how is the Bambi who just posted working for town?

Like, your waving off everyone's accusations and boiling it down to 1 reason EVERYONE is scumreading you which isn't true. The question isn't going to be answered if it's wholly irrelevant.

[RCEnigma]

Claim summary? Please?

L and L hydra (being replaced) - hider - action unknown
A50 - Desperate* visitor - visited Emperor
Titus - Neighborizer (made desperate* start of n1) - visited A50
Drew - Neighbor
Aaron Frost - Doc enabler
Joan - Doctor - Healed Titus n1
Chkflip -Miller

*Desperate = Actions fail on town, succeed on scum but death

Who do we have left?

Add VaM receiving fruit.
Dave gunsmiths (knifesmiths) Haggle
RCE made Ascetic n1
Joan claims loyal doc on Titus
AF was added to the drew/Joan neighborhood.

I think that's it.

[RCEnigma]

realistically Drew is probably the lynch but i sure would love the list to weigh in on Joan here.

Can we lynch both?

[RCEnigma]

The argument is that the potential for a clear is there and that becomes clearer when we have a better idea of the setup.

[RCEnigma]

With Chara here. On another note, I was thinking Joan claiming a save on Titus was convenient but it doesn't do anything for Titus' claim or Joan's and shouldn't be a reason Joan TRs Titus because:

-desperate only works when targeting scum but dies in the process
-action did not work on A50
-no save because action did not work

[RCEnigma]

i thought Almost's final claim was Desperate. Weak was something he was talking about earlier.

my understand is Weak = die on scum/millers, and Desperate = die on scum/millers, action fails on town. distinct enough.

Desperate - Like Disloyal, but works against Millers and similar. Mod may also make it so where if they would target successfully like if they had a Loyal modifier, they die.

@Chara - go back to my massive quote from 50jp. He says 1 shot recharged weak desperate visitor. So desperate is usually a disloyal modifier, but in this game (according to Titus) is both weak and disloyal. So why add in weak, when desperate is already weak. That's my issue. Either Boon is using the same modifier in different ways in this game and changing its meaning case by case, or 50 has a redundant modifier, or one of 50 and Titus are lying.

BP

How are they using the modifier in different ways? It sounds identical to me.

Weak doesn't fail on town. Desperate does.

[RCEnigma]

Oh! I think I figured out how to use A50 for solid clears. Gotta run through some isos first.

[RCEnigma]

Nvm maybe 1 clear at best. I thought we had someone claiming watcher as well but they were just mentioning it.

[RCEnigma]

i thought Almost's final claim was Desperate. Weak was something he was talking about earlier.

my understand is Weak = die on scum/millers, and Desperate = die on scum/millers, action fails on town. distinct enough.

Desperate - Like Disloyal, but works against Millers and similar. Mod may also make it so where if they would target successfully like if they had a Loyal modifier, they die.

@Chara - go back to my massive quote from 50jp. He says 1 shot recharged weak desperate visitor. So desperate is usually a disloyal modifier, but in this game (according to Titus) is both weak and disloyal. So why add in weak, when desperate is already weak. That's my issue. Either Boon is using the same modifier in different ways in this game and changing its meaning case by case, or 50 has a redundant modifier, or one of 50 and Titus are lying.

BP

How are they using the modifier in different ways? It sounds identical to me.

Weak doesn't fail on town. Desperate does.

Wait, I thought desperate failed on scum?

BP

If it failed on scum it would cancel the weak modifier. I think.

[RCEnigma]

Wait, I thought desperate failed on scum?

BP

you just said desperate was disloyal + weak, which means it fails on town and works on scum.

pedit: yes, if there had been no nk it would be worlds different.

Yeah, so desperate + weak fails on town targets where weak wouldn't, it would just kill on scum targets.

[RCEnigma]

Wait, I thought desperate failed on scum?

BP

you just said desperate was disloyal + weak, which means it fails on town and works on scum.

pedit: yes, if there had been no nk it would be worlds different.

Yeah, so desperate + weak fails on town targets where weak wouldn't, it would just kill on scum targets.

Which is why creature should be targeting A50 tonight. A no visit = town. A visit = scum. I was thinking a watcher could sit on creature to catch either a roleblocker or a kill targeting creature but the watcher thing was just mentioned in passing.

[RCEnigma]

Was tempted to vote there. But doc and enabler and blah and blah.

The slots a scumbutt.

[RCEnigma]

Was tempted to vote there. But doc and enabler and blah and blah.

The slots a scumbutt.

What slot?

Joan.

[RCEnigma]

That at me or Nancy?

[RCEnigma]

i thought Almost's final claim was Desperate. Weak was something he was talking about earlier.

my understand is Weak = die on scum/millers, and Desperate = die on scum/millers, action fails on town. distinct enough.

Desperate - Like Disloyal, but works against Millers and similar. Mod may also make it so where if they would target successfully like if they had a Loyal modifier, they die.

@Chara - go back to my massive quote from 50jp. He says 1 shot recharged weak desperate visitor. So desperate is usually a disloyal modifier, but in this game (according to Titus) is both weak and disloyal. So why add in weak, when desperate is already weak. That's my issue. Either Boon is using the same modifier in different ways in this game and changing its meaning case by case, or 50 has a redundant modifier, or one of 50 and Titus are lying.

BP

How are they using the modifier in different ways? It sounds identical to me.

Weak doesn't fail on town. Desperate does.

Wait, I thought desperate failed on scum?

BP

Take this back. I know what I'm saying, but you confused me. Yes, desperate is different than weak, but if you're desperate, then weak is redundant. Both weak and desperate die if targeting scum. So if your role was desperate (as claimed by A50), then there is no need for the additional modifier of weak, because desperate would have covered that.

BP

I get what you're saying and yeah they're redundant but they aren't the same. If that makes sense.

[RCEnigma]

You can have a town enabler for a scum role. And vice versa.

Just want to throw that out there since it doesn't appear to be that obvious to the peanut gallery. The longer they're both alive increases the likelihood of one flipping red.

That also assumes I believe the claim.

Which I don't, so, there's that.

Extremely unlikely.

Did finish a game not long ago with tracker enabler as a scum role. A50 was there. Mod was also there. So idk about highly unlikely.

[RCEnigma]

You can have a town enabler for a scum role. And vice versa.

Just want to throw that out there since it doesn't appear to be that obvious to the peanut gallery. The longer they're both alive increases the likelihood of one flipping red.

That also assumes I believe the claim.

Which I don't, so, there's that.

Extremely unlikely.

Did finish a game not long ago with tracker enabler as a scum role. A50 was there. Mod was also there. So idk about highly unlikely.

I rep into this game, for example. Tracker was town, tracker enabler was scum.

Oh yeah you were there too. And the fish even.

[RCEnigma]

RCE, are the EoD vote counts an accurate representation of your ability?

Is this another cheeky walk into it joke?

[RCEnigma]

@mod

are all vote counts accurate from start to this point?

No it doesn't come from any ability I have. I didn't get what you were getting at so I checked back.

[RCEnigma]

Sure, your day 2 reads would be good. Also what your take is on AF/Joan/drew/nips in general.

[RCEnigma]

What does nips have to do with enchantress?

If A50 was targeted and based on Creature’s roleblock claim, everything. It didn’t really make any sense to me that Nips would be the target but Creature targeted A50 and was blocked, so enchantress had to be on one of them and A50 makes a helluva lot more sense then Creature. Prior to knowing that, Titus’ theory made no sense.

What's the direct connection to nips? Is there a claimed action I'm missing or something?

50 targeted Nips and was recharged. So either Nips is town or A50 was blocked.

BP

One of Creature/A50 had to be for his reults to fail and Creature didn’t claim anything before D2 but A50 did D1, so it obviously makes way more sense that he was the one targeted not Creature, which would mean Titus’ actions would have also failed, at the very least. Renegade doesn’t have to exist because any “coplike” actions - which could include any actions involving a desperate modifier, so enchantress absolutely could exist. Renegade doesn’t have to exist because of desperate and cop -

LIKE

abilities permanently nullified. so renegade isn’t proven or necessary because of desperate, so chk is wrong about that and Titus, likely right.

@BP if you give me shit for something when you haven’t read all the posts where I’ve explained things multiple tiles, don’t expect me to answer you.

Two slots being given modifiers they didn't start the game with and weren't included in their original role pm indicates a renegade exists. Nancy you were in LNT, you've seen the role before with Profii. It's a lot more concrete than Enchantress when you consider it could have been a rolestopper on A50. Or a town!roleblocker on creature random blocking. Like there are a lot of different ways it can go and it's not really getting us anywhere speculating on it until we get a better understanding of the setup as a whole.

I will say you are correct that renegade and Enchantress can exist together and possibly a 3rd boonbank role with the former 2 taking variant slots.

[RCEnigma]

Drew are you scumreading Titus or not?

[RCEnigma]

Rolestopper, for the last fucking time.

So, then Titus didn’t clear him and why couldn’t there have been a roleblocker as well? Why does scum rolestop A50 only but not roleblock him?

They're two different roles?

[RCEnigma]

First.

[RCEnigma]

I'm not following Nancy. Are you assuming A50 was targeted twice?

[RCEnigma]

Why does it have to be scum? I see merit in a town! rolestopper targeting A50. Also you're assuming scum would have both abilities.

Also there is evidence renegade exists unless you think Titus and I are scum together fabricating it.

[RCEnigma]

I'm not following Nancy. Are you assuming A50 was targeted twice?

Apparently you can’t be both rolestopped and roleblocked. And obviously rolestop would explain Creature fail but why? Why does scum rolestop A50 rather than roleblock him? Unless rolestopper is town, so alien doesn’t exist? It did in LNT.

Because rolestop blocks actions on the target. If scum doesn't have a roleblock they can't use it.