BooneyToonz XIII: To Boon or Not To Boon - [END]

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-Hectic

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Consider me hard lurking for a bit.

Ta ta.

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Clem, does Bambi's role seem town to you?

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Do not hint at anything. Just yes or no.

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Excellent.

Adding Clem and Bambi conditionally to my town block.

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We almost have enough information to solve, btw.

Oh, Drew.

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Oh, this is very interesting.

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VnM, did you crumb?

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50, Nips is town. Trust the process.

Keep churning guys we're almost there.

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Bambi? Nah. Clem maybe.

Definitely not Nips though.

Pedit:

Pedit part deuce: no not Frank.

Pedit the turd: stop being scummy Nips ffs I gotchu.

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Your 50 read is bad and you should feel bad.

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So, if I'm following correctly, mech town are as follows. 50, dave, and their targets of Nips and to a lesser extent Haggle are clear. Creature is too powerful not to believe since a Romeo flip nerfed him. Though the flip might've given him the idea to claim all that extra shit and a scum tracker makes sense, but I'm not willing to look at that today.

Non-mechanically, I have VnM, Frank, Bambi, and to a lesser extent Joan, BEF, Titus, and Amrun as town reads.

That leaves six slots. Drew, Clem, Gamma, Chara, Frost, and RCE.

I'm willing to bet more than half the scum team is in that list.

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And boy oh boy am I gonna be ANGERY if it's fuckin RCE.

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50 would not be alive if Nips was scum and you can take that to the bank.

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The fact that you single out these oddball ideas and clutch them like they're the only way make it difficult to speak with you on a fundamental level. It's safe to assume from claims alone that an enchantress doesn't exist.

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VOTE: AaronFrost

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VOTE: AaronFrost

Why this?

PoE -> gut
Titus' VCA points there
Someone also said Burden of Proficiency so I'll sheep that as well

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Plenty of D1s start with a bunch of shitty town wagons and you ignoring that is egregious and wrong.

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50 getting a recharged message should read different between being successful and being blocked as well.

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You're also ignoring the other wagons from the phase but gg I'm not circling with you again. I wasn't wrong about NAR and I'm not wrong about 50 clearing Nips. Your theory requires a third flip and crossed fingers. Mine requires the basic understanding that 50 went through and someone at least redirected or something off A50. There are signs that people couldn't target A50. There are no signs that 50 was blocked.

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I don't see any reason to believe 50 was blocked or changed to a Goddamn commuter on the very slim chance he would hit scum N1, no.

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I do believe that whomever hit Titus is scum and Titus should absolutely claim her two targets before phase end, though. Town!Renegade making ANOTHER townie only able to hit other townies screams imbalance to me.

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I read your claim as you pairing two people together, my b. I should know better that that isn't what a Neighborizer is.

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Nah see XXXIX is a suffix like junior or senior.

Frost has more against him than anybody else.

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Jailkeeper was always Jailkeeper wtf

Nips is town and your theory hinges so much on WIFOM that I'm baffled you're all rallying onto this.

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Scratch that big money I was being weird.

You not knowing makes more sense.

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You're all still banking on a role you don't know exists and a VCA from the middle of the day that ignores that there were two other wagons that got swiftly thrown to the side.

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Drew in my experience is always awkward af. Frost has more scum equity here.

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Calling Emp deepwolf is being very generous.

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Occams Razor actually supports me with being the easier to follow line of reason seeing as how most of your tunnel sits on the crux of a role we aren't certain exists.

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You still haven't given any reason to why you ignored the RCE and Joan wagons from yesterday and instead focused on the Nips/Haggle/RnJ trio. Of the three, I'd argue that people were pulling away from Haggle for more reason than "this wagon is trash." That was my interpretation of that wagon, at least.

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You're almost as cute as Mars when you're flustered and tunnely.

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That's what I'm saying, Haggle. People were still on you but switching over rather than openly disputing/ignoring the Nips wagon because it wasn't a good wagon.

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I've just never seen a jailkeeper that also makes their target untargetable. Seems a bit much to me.

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How many votes does Aaron have?

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Interesting.

UNVOTE: AaronFrost
VOTE: Doctor Drew

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Crying about being SpEeDlYnChEd over the course of almost 30 pages, while contributing nothing, while the moderator was too busy to post a vote count, is nobody's fault but yours if you got lynched, Aaron.

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I sincerely doubt we hit ten tbh.

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That's fair, but I'm not wrong am I?

And if half the playerlist truly isn't contributing then surely you weren't lynched, no?

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I don't like this pinky in the air shit, Drew.

Do something.

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I'm not gonna coach you, dude. Keep playing.

But if I have to read about your exquisite scum game one more time I'm going to caps lock tunnel you FATE style.

Bambi and RCE have found themselves voting next to one another four times this game. That's... peculiar, is it not?

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Wait legit? Was it always me voting first and him following?

Gimme info.

It's actually exclusively the other way around except in our current instance.

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Haggle, is there somewhere else that there's an RCE/Bambi connection or are you playing off my noticing their voting pattern?

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Oh wait a second, he isn't hammered?

I GET A BIRTHDAY HAMMER.

VOTE: Romeo/Juliet

WOOHOO!

Funny how none of you unvoted "just in case".

Unvoting wouldn't change if he was hammered or not. If he's L minus 1, it would be great to claim.

VOTE: Arron

You went and tempted me. Good job.

These do read remarkably different in tone from one another as well, birthday aside.

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Nips is town boy she crazy tunneling.

50 cleared Nips.

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Nancy, seriously......are you high and/or drunk?

I mean, let's party.....but seriously?

Insert a comma between no and drew.

She's asking BEF to join her on your wagon.

Took me a couple reads to get it as well.

Pedit: Bambi isn't policy.

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It's Michael Scott saying "that's what she said."

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In honor of the fallen Ejet:

First.

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FUCK YEAH

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50 would not be alive if Nips was scum and you can take that to the bank.

Can you explain this post? I don’t know this person so...

Because, from my perspective, I've no reason to believe that an enchantress that I'm not sure exists (no hard evidence) even targeted 50; therefore, if I believe his convoluted hider story, then I must believe he'd be dead if he hid behind Nips.

Scum 50 doesn't story up with his partner N1 for no reason, either. That's fucking goofy.

Why are you insulting me?

Point out the insult and I'll retire from playing Mafia altogether!

You did kinda seem like you were calling her dumb tbh.

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How do you explain Creature's lack of a result if an enchantress does not exist?

There's more than one role that does that.

50 already pointed that out.

Nips is town unless you can prove there's an enchantress, 50 is scum protecting his buddy for no reason after clearing my claim for no reason, and scum very clearly goaded town away from Nips with the knowledge that Nips was a very garbage wagon D1 from the gate.

Scum has never, in my whole experience, ever vied away from a lurksack wagon.

I mean how are there wookies on Endor? It does not. Make. Sense.

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Mars, how much conversation between you and Ejet happened in your hood?

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Lmao why is Nips claiming at all with zero wagon on them? gtfo asking for a claim. Nips don't oblige that bullshit. This is the same slot that asked for my flavor for little reason at all.

I haven't read up, but since my claim has come up:

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I haven't been reading. Hard skim. Saw my claim mentioned. Not sure, thought I saw you ask him to claim Mars. My b. Idk if you're familiar with the gifs but I'll say that I've been crumbing them all day and now that it's (my claim) in question, I'll leave it at that for now.

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That's Eddie Guerrero lmaoooo

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Flavor claim is worthless IIRC but I still don't support him full claiming without a wagon. Seems anti town at best.

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There are, what, two or three people solidly advocating for his lynch? And not being all that convincing to the masses on top of that? Idk. I wouldn't claim if it were me. I don't even see scummy people voting on top of the weak argument against him, so... like... no? Don't claim?

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Ah so one scumbutt has latched onto it.

Yeah no don't claim. We're absolutely not lynching there today. They'll either stop their vanity or they won't. Don't really need them for a majority tbh.

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Uhhh

You don't want to be seen as being against a Drew lynch?

Am I reading that correctly, Titus?

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RCE! How dare you take page top and not say first in homage to our fallen companion.

Also Nani the fuck glad you're alright enough to post.

Also also what buddying from Chara? I do not recall this.

Also also also did you notice that you have a tendency to vote before/after someone you're least comfortable with? That's weird to me. Talk to me about your feelings re: Bambi plz.

Pedit: that's not what I gathered from that post. Elaborate Mars kthx.

Pedit2: hard agree.

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Crazy girls are the best I agree. <3

+1

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I've spent the last 20ish minutes trying not to say something dirty here.

On topic, I'm going to let her reiterate that. I'm still a handful of pages behind but it doesn't really seem like I've missed much. My scum reads are fairly obvious here but I feel like I'm not taking account for something. Usually, though admittedly sometimes incorrect, I've got stronger reads by now on the scum side of the spectrum. I'm absolutely not going to reread the whole game bc fuck that but I may spend some time isolating my town reads and make sure I'm not allowing my self to handwave any behaviors or simply overlooked something. Idk. Feels weird. I don't like it.

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Uhhh, why aren't we lynching Bambi?

-Hectic

I'll keep my vote on the guy who will literally vote anywhere if they think it'll garner them the simplest ounce of towncred, tyvm.

1216, 1241, 1842, 3139, 3251, and now 3606.

I'm still isolating slots lest I'd answer Amrun.

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That also shows Haggle said it was a hammer, btw.

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cbf to find it rn

Where did I miss your question, Drew?

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The original question, smart ass.

Obv I saw that one.

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If you were as bleedingly town as you keep AtE crying that you are, Drew, you wouldn't be L-3 right now.

The entirety of the fourth paragraph of 3611 is AtE.

And your last post's third paragraph is AtF.

You want me to townread you so bad. Why? I'll never understand people that pine away at wanting to be seen as the good guy so Goddamn bad that they become fickle and condescending when they aren't. My job isn't to be fucking townread and yours shouldn't be, either. Your job is to find scum. That's assuming you're town which, obviously, I don't believe to be true.

Sheeping is one thing. But I linked to six different times you pined for being townread with your vote. Only two of which are you sheeping Titus.

Bambi Jay is an anomaly. One I don't believe will be able to endgame if they're scum. So, to be frank, I'm not bothering with them right now. I've already pointed out something I found peculiar about them. Something that should lead anyone to believe that I'm not exactly town-reading them. But, alas, I've only one vote to my name. And your actions and further deflections/appeals/responses don't exactly reassure me that I'm wrong here.

I've already told you that I'm not going to coach you. Your original sign up date is either near or earlier than mine, so I'm not interested or believe that such a thing would even be necessary to you. If anything, it just goes to prove my point even further that you're using your vote to appear as town as you possibly can.

And tbf the way you drink water is p scummy ngl...

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Case Bambi.

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Let's make believe it isn't. Elaborate.

Feed me, Seymour.

And why haven't you vote parked there if it was

that

scummy?

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>feigns upset demeanor when questions aren't answered.
>doesn't answer a basic question.

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MMMMM Y THO

That's L-1.

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Also J Joan-a Jameson, who'd you protecc last night?

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Please, indulge me.

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UNVOTE: Doctor Drew
VOTE: Joan of Arc

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That's

super

interesting.

See, I've been chomping at the bit for you to come back because I have so. many. questions.

First question: I'm having a

really

hard time finding where you even hinted at the fact that you had a townread on, well, almost anybody... But can you point me to where you specifically started town-reading Titus? Because by golly I can't find it anywhere.

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How predictably convenient for you.

Is anyone trying to save Drew?

Not really, no.

Well, you won't find that anywhere. It's a gut read, not a factual read.

Second question: what

are

your reads?

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It's two votes. You're not even voting.

I'm asking questions that need to be answered.

Where was this energy the entire time Titus has been hard railing for a lynch we have as close to a town clear on?

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I don't believe that, like, at all.

You don't let yourself get lynches as the fucking doctor.

Friendly reminder about how I feel re: Joan's claim btw.

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So you're good with putting your fucking maybe scum read at L-1 over your actual scum reads?

Also, I didn't ask how you read Titus.

I asked when.

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Sure, let's ignore the fact that the "doctor" just claimed to protect you N1 when she didn't even have a gut town read on you until D2.

I'm hard defending the facts sunshine and you can NOT help but tunnel tunnel tunnel until your fingers give out.

A50 claimed after I claimed.
He claimed BECAUSE I claimed.

A50 is the closest thing we have to a cop rn.
He LITERALLY DIES if he visits scum.

He visited Nips.
He didn't die.

HE
VISITED
NIPS

HE
DIDN'T
DIE

That is what I know to be the truth.

But yeah let's make some noise about how I'm defending scum so people don't see that the fucking "doctor" can't even get her Goddamn story straight.

Yeah let's do that instead.

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/yawn

I don't think she's a doctor homie.

She lied about not knowing anybody else in this game as well btw. I-mate dove. But that's inconsequential, right? She just fucking pocketed you with her "protection" so we're just gonna look right past that.

Isn't playing? Nah that's fine.

Doesn't have reads? Nbd! She's the doctor!

BUT HERE'S THE FUCKING KICKER.

First, she defends herself by stating that it's a gut town read on Titus. A gut town read that she a) never vocalized [because it isn't fucking tral], and b) couldn't possibly have had if the following statement is true.

I clarify, stating that I didn't ask the type of read she had. I asked when she started having said read.

And she responds that said gut town read didn't come until... until AFTER she protected you? Aaaaaand that's not fucking WEIRD to you?


Nah fam she ain't a doctor. Not a town one at least.

That can absolutely flip idgaf.

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*I meta dove.

*isn't fucking real]

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cognitive dissonance

That's

super

interesting.

See, I've been chomping at the bit for you to come back because I have so. many. questions.

First question: I'm having a

really

hard time finding where you even hinted at the fact that you had a townread on, well, almost anybody... But can you point me to where you specifically started town-reading Titus? Because by golly I can't find it anywhere.

Well, you won't find that anywhere. It's a gut read, not a factual read.

So you're good with putting your fucking maybe scum read at L-1 over your actual scum reads?

Also, I didn't ask how you read Titus.

I asked when.

Since the beginning of D2.

she's scrambling

and it'll only get worse from here, folks. trust

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Hahahaha I don't agree with you, I must be scum!

What trash.

Mars, your energy here seems different. Please stop "ArE yOu ReAdInG" to everyone with a differing opinion than you. It's almost as bad as Titus saying disagreeing is scummy. rofl. Anyway, what I mean is that your approach toward being against Nips wasn't the same with Titus as you're doing with me. I was there. I was bemoaning the Nips lynch with you. So asking me if I'm reading is kind of insulting.

I'm going to sit back a bit longer and let things continue. I hard agree with Chara here re: letting Fonz do his thing. I don't immediately have a TR there but I like him and want his input either way.

Creature fluff posting is disappointing but I've been there and will give him a little more slack.

Chemist return is lulz. If you could please confirm with Boon about your ability that'd be sweet.

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I'm surprised you're not on my scum team for voting there as well, Amrun.



Shits a joke.

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You can have a town enabler for a scum role. And vice versa.

Just want to throw that out there since it doesn't appear to be that obvious to the peanut gallery. The longer they're both alive increases the likelihood of one flipping red.

That also assumes I believe the claim.

Which I don't, so, there's that.

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I'm not interested in out-guessing the mod but to say it isn't possible or to simply ACCEPT both claims AS TOWN because they're loosely tied together is in error.

It's just as likely as there being a Goddamn enchantress.

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What Haggle is saying is that Titus only claimed one similarity (desperate) but is also claiming the same effect (dying on scum) as 50's role. If desperate dies on scum, then, why is 50 also weak?

Pedit: we don't collectively know why both Creature and Titus failed in their abilities on 50. But we also don't know that it must have been an enchantress.

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Helps with safe claims, for one.

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Yes Chara let us discuss dealing with the incomparable scumhunting abilities of Titus.

Much shaken. Very unmanageable. Wow.

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Drew is at L-2 and went radio silent.

Hmm.

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i'm not preventing you from playing this game, titus, it's you

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Chk.....are you pushing for me to claim?

If I wanted anything from you beyond content that isn't you defending yourself I would've stayed my happy ass on you and kept you at L-1.

Produce content.

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One more time.

I want one you shitlords to ask me if I'm reading or paying attention ONE MORE FUCKING TIME.

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You're fun, Bambi. Are you West coast?

There's no reason to believe 50s clear on Nips isn't real.

People not reaching 50 =/= 50 not reaching his target.

Drew, 3 or 4 hours is apparently a long time to me?

No but for serious last I remembered you posting was when you were L-1. Apologies. I'm not an elephant, it seems.

Mars, plz no.

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They're both non-existent in this thread.

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Idk the timing but yes that's his claim.

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Thank fuck Frost, I really didn't want to iterate and reiterate again and again. And you made it so pretty to look at too oh I'm enchanted. <3

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RCE, are the EoD vote counts an accurate representation of your ability?

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There's no reason to believe you were.

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There's no proof 50s ability didn't go through though.

Every time you guys mention it I'm gonna keep mentioning it too.

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Still nope.

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There's at least one other role I see on the list of Boon's roles that could be the culprit of such a thing. At least two other people have already named it.

Furthermore, we KNOW there's both a Renegade and a variation of a Sticky Fruit Vendor in play already as evidenced by Titus' claim of being nerfed and your claim of having recieved, ahem,

dirty laundry

. So if I'm to believe those claims (I do rn) that would mean that for there to be an Enchantress there would then be THREE Boon Bank roles in this game.

Something tells me that, alongside the claim of a SECOND nerf role on town's side (Frost's claim of being a doc enabler), that town would be SEVERELY underpowered if there was ALSO a role that could completely moot a role on top of permanently nerfing another.

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You're still asking me to believe that there are two Boon Bank roles on the same team that effectively do the same thing. I can't believe that to be terribly balanced amongst a visitor, a hider, a knifesmith, two enablers, three different kinds of cop variants, and a vigilante.

Especially considering this is role madness and, therefore, that would mean they're paired with at least one or two other roles as well.

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knifesmith amongst the cop variants, my bad. Wrote that without looking back at it.

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"ArE yOu EvEn ReAdInG?"

One for cops, one for doctors.

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RCE, no joke. You didn't notice anything weird about the vote count?

Mars, I'm talking about Ejet and Frost.

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Scum assigned Desperate at start of night 1.

Renegade absolutely exists.

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I have no reason to believe in the boogeyman existing.

I know there's a Renegade. That much is proven. From what they gave Titus I'd wager they aren't town. So, for an Enchantress to exist they'd either have to be town or at least a different alignment from the Renegade. And since this game was advertised as only having a single mafia entity? That means that either a) an Enchantress doesn't exist (highly likely), or b) something aside from an Enchantress, like a Rolestopper (as has been mentioned multiple times), hit A50. (less likely BUT answers why nobody could target A50).

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Titus, I've voted for fewer people and fewer times than you. So for you to say I'm willing to lynch anyone is a laughable misrepresentation of what has actually transpired in this game. Especially considering I've spent today locked on all of two people.

"He'S a MaNiAc!"

Garbage.

Chara, you made me smile. In a game filled with rage and hate I just wanted to say I appreciate you.

dave, no. Plz no. Nips is non-mechanically null and there are too many non-existent people in this game for me to agree that Nips is the one out of the half dozen that need to be lynched. Joan, Clem, BEF... all arguably better lynches from a non-existent standpoint. And I townread one of them earlier!

You're on the wrong side of this, bud.

Mars, do you always devolve to being disrespectful when you feel like you're being misrepresented? If so, can I please get a few links for both alignments where you've acted like this?

50, what happened my dude? You get busy or something? You're kinda required here to nip this desperate/weak thing in the bud. I could just quote your last correspondence to the whole sitch but I'm feeling a little drainypoo from having to exhaustively (I'd say aggressively but I might ping dave and his wrinkles frighten me) go to work on this Enchantress nonsense.

Joan, BEF, Nips, Clem, Frost, Creature: more posty plz bb ty ily.

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I have seen you scum flail and them vibes are here. Thus the question.

Joan, Clem, BEF... all arguably better lynches from a non-existent standpoint.

Why?

Also, if you flip scum, I am using the rule of 3 here.

I've meta-dove 2/3 of them and regardless of alignment they lurksack to the nth degree.

Nips is no different.

What's the rule of 3? I'm unfamiliar with it (or at least I'm not remembering it offhand).

Your consistent slow roast of setting me up for a future lynch is awfully brave of you, btw.

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UNVOTE: Joan of Arc
VOTE: Doctor Drew

The unnecessary defense of nips bothers me.
I was actually against that wagon when it was all about the lurk.
I was against the VCA only approach.

I don't get how non-mechanical null as a defense fits in to a game which is mechanics heavy. If it ain't a townread then why is any other wagon superior?

I like how you keep talking about me instead of talking to me.

I'm of the opinion that Joan's doc claim has given them the feeling that they can just post their fucking feet up and not do much of anything for the rest of the game and that's not okay. Y'all want to wait it out? Whatever. We can wait until she's even more worthless. That's suboptimal but fine.

BEF has been far more obvious with his prodgy lurksack behavior. He has no mechanical reason to coast yet does so openly and honestly anyway. Probably across the board. But anyone who comes in and asks to be included in the group more than once will always peeve me.

Clemency's role is now moot and still he's here but not here much the same as Joan. Only we have no mechanical reason to keep him around. He has actually been gone long enough to be both prodded and replaced, so, Idek why his name hasn't been added to look for a replacement.

So don't look me in the eyes and tell me that it's a lurksack wagon 'cause it ain't.

Don't look me in the eyes and tell me it's a VCA wagon because we BOTH KNOW that's not a proper use of VCA at all. There are two other vote counts with just as much "voting inclusion" and ffs three half-wagons isn't exactly a telling fucking thing at all.

Asinine.

If it wasn't obvious by now, I'm hard town-reading 50. I've no reason to believe that he full outs as scum from a page 5 Miller claim. That's just so fucking weird and out of the realm of possibility even for him. Or RCE. Or even Flavor Leaf. WHO WOULD DO THAT!?

Nobody. Not as scum. That's insane.

Therefore:
- A50 hard town.
- I don't believe in the abominable snow enchantress
-- This also means I believe 50 cleared Nips
- There are arguably better lurksacks to lynch

I will never believe that Nips, who is arguably just as cleared as you, or Haggle, or 50, or Frost, or anybody else who has claimed, is a good viable scum wagon.

Absolutely. Fucking. Not.

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Motherfuckin

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FIRST (RIP to the homie Ejet)

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They aren't cleared. They're

just as

cleared.

Meaning nobody is conf!town but Nips is no less confirmed to me than anybody else I listed.

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So why aren't you voting him? He has some suspect things, such as Bambi's role is likely town but he didn't know what it did. Joan is apathetic, awkward and partially useful. Yet, you go for the useful role instead.

Who needs an umbrella with such hard shade like this?

Idk if you've noticed this or not but I lead arguably three wagons D1. I've attempted to lead two today but Oh No NoT tHe DoC cLaIm so whatever. I'll say it again. I don't believe Joan's claim. It's way too convenient that she got rung up D1 and went for the safest claim in the book. She then follows up with the safest mechanical claim, you, as her target by stating you're the only person she knows (proven lie) and didn't... actually... town read you until today (that's fucking awkward as shit but yeah let's keep ignoring that fact). Those two things a townie doesn't make. Clem is just fucking floating. I don't throw my vote around. Darn. But I'm looking forward to what this inevitably becomes tomorrow.

A50 isn't hard town if I was blocked.
So? A50's result isn't confirmed either way assuming he's town. There are many ways without enchantress that A50 could have been interfered with. Enchantress is the most likely.
Better lurk sacks to lynch? Really. Which lurksacks solve exactly what happened at EoD Day 1? Even in the hyper rare event I am wrong, we'd still get a shit ton of information and a place to go.

Oh tight more loaded bullshit questions. Hi, lawyer.

There ARE many ways 50 could've been fucked with but none of them quite fit your narrative as well as the abdominal snow enchantress so that MUUUUUST be what happened. Surely. Absolutely. How COULDN'T it be that role? I mean it just fits so nicely.

50 is town. Period.

I will go so far as to say I KNOW IN MY MAFIA PLAYING BONES that 50 didn't fail here.

Which meeeeans... !!! Nips is town! BECAUSE 50 DIDN'T FUCKING DIE!

Whaaaat no waaaaay that's craaaazy.

The only viable VCA vote count you have is the EoD one. And it isn't incredibly useful until we get more flips. You also have to keep in mind that whenever you do use it that I unvoted so that RCE could L-1 and both myself and Clem threw out intent before Jay lolhammered.

I'll throw it back.

Nips flips town. Your enchantress theory is moot. What does Nips clear up? That 50 is town? Oh man I know that already. That maybe Haggle is mafia just not a knife wielding murder hobo? I doubt it but it's not out of the realm of possibility I suppose. That Joan is a loyal mafia doctor? Holy shit my disbelief was correct.

Or am I to believe that you'd then turn around and use THAT wagon, that you've championed all day, to find scum?

No.

Absolutely fucking not.

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Because the Hitler level of propaganda that has been spewed in this game can make the meekest of lies feel like the truth, Mars.

[chkflip]

They're just saying the saaaame tired fucking thing over and over and over again like it's the truth. So of course 50 is going to start doubting himself. To use that as some sort of valid counterpoint undermines my intelligence to the point of being insulting. So I'm calling it what I see it to be. Bullshit propaganda. You DON'T know there's an enchantress and acting like you do has done nothing but belabor away from the facts.

50 used his ability. 50 didn't die. So Nips is fucking town simple as.

[chkflip]

So you admit that a Nips town flip does fucking nothing.

Thanks.

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WHAT DOES A NIP FLIP CLEAR UP?[/b]

[chkflip]

WHAT DOES A NIP FLIP CLEAR UP?

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Oh, Chara. Did I answer your question well enough?

I didn't quote you directly but there were three posts that said/asked basically the same thing so I didn't think it was necessary to quote all of them.

[chkflip]

You don't get to skate around this fucking topic, Titus, with vague bullshit answers. Nips has been your bread and butter all Goddamn day and if you can't give me a single, solitary answer siphoned down to actual players in this game that it helps read then you've wasted everybody's fucking time here.

[chkflip]

Only a little bit.

[chkflip]

Okay, Titus.

Titus, okay.

Okay, Titus.

Show me where the "off-wagon" scum are. Go ahead.

Act 1, Scene 6

Emperor flippyNips [6]:

Creature, 50 Judge Powers, Davesaz, BrightEyedFish, Frank, Latias and Latios

Haggle [5]:

Titus, Amrun, AaronFrost, Doctor Drew, RCEnigma

Romeo and Juliet [5]:

Chara, Espressojet, Haggle, Venus and Mars, chkflip

Joan of Arc [1]:

Bambi Jay,

Frank [1]:

Romeo and Juliet

Chkflip [1]:

Joan of Arc

Not Voting [2]:

Clemency, Emperor flippyNips,

With

21

alive, it takes

11

to execute.

Act 1 ends (expired on 2020-01-11 19:00:00) on

January 11th

.

Mod Notes:

Don’t be outta pocket.

Joan of Arc was prodded.

Because as far as I can tell? Most of the playerbase is "off wagon," Titus.

But let's magic pretend you meant this one:

Act 1, Scene 8

Romeo and Juliet [11]:

Chara, Espressojet, Haggle, Venus and Mars, Amrun, davesaz, AaronFrost, BrightEyedFish, Titus, RCEnigma, Bambi Jay ——— [EXECUTED]

Emperor flippyNips [4]:

Creature, 50 Judge Powers, Frank, Latias and Latios,

Haggle [3]:

Doctor Drew, RCEnigma, Romeo and Juliet

Chkflip [1]:

Joan of Arc

Not Voting [2]:

Clemency, Emperor flippyNips, Chkflip

With

21

alive, it takes

11

to execute.

Act 1 ends (expired on 2020-01-11 19:00:00) on

January 11th

.

Mod Notes:

Don’t be outta pocket.

Latias and Latios were prodded.

Nine names off wagon here, Titus.

Who's scum?

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Chk, what makes more sense to you?

Almost randomly getting targeted by a mystery town enchantress that fucked with Creature and Titus?

Or Aaron claiming Doctor Enabler because we had a dead cop enabler and a claimed doctor?

I don't think anyone targeting 50 could be deemed random when we spent a decent portion of the day talking about his role; however, I will say that if you take a look at the available roles list you won't find "enabler" anywhere on it.

ThAt'Ll SoRt ItSeLf OuT

People ITT want to talk about "this is why towns are losing" etc like no bitch towns are losing because you'd rather follow dogshit logic and let the rest work itself out. You go full horse blinders on the first thing that makes sense to you and go broken record when you're questioned about it.

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Oops I pulled a Titus and didn't answer your question at all. I do, unfortunately, have to ask this before I can answer. What do you mean by "makes more sense"? Like, in general as in which is more likely?

[chkflip]

Why dave?

[chkflip]

He claimed knifesmith, you're aware?

[chkflip]

This is getting to the point where I just want to replace out, like, nobody fucking cares anymore.

[chkflip]

Mars, please stop using terminology incorrectly.

Holy shit.

[chkflip]

Nevermind, I'm being a dick.

[chkflip]

Rolestopper, for the last fucking time.

[chkflip]

Rolestopper, for the last fucking time.

So, then Titus didn’t clear him and why couldn’t there have been a roleblocker as well? Why does scum rolestop A50 only but not roleblock him?

Titus never cleared him.

You can't roleblock someone that's rolestopped.

That's not how that works.

[chkflip]

I follow you, Bambi. I do. But we can't today.

ThEy'Ll SeLf ReSoLvE

[chkflip]

Were you town-reading Drew?

[chkflip]

We were giving Fonz time to catch up before we voted Drew out earlier.

[chkflip]

Nips is newb!town and those posts ooze it all over the Goddamn place holy shit.

Let's talk about Drew.
- There's a post in my ISO regarding my non-mechanical read on that slot. There are six votes I mention in that quote where Drew is nothing short of grasping at any sort of town credibility he can get without formulating any sort of innocent, isolated thought of his own.
-- Furthermore, A LOT of his votes end up on counterwagons of his.
- He's defensive, resorting to AtE and AtF, when people continue to wagon him for his lack of anything close to an original thought.
- He isn't scum hunting. This new angle he just took was incredibly forced and doesn't even seem genuine in the slightest. I've seen whackadoodle shit before from town but this missing letters theory just reads like a panicked attempt for more town cred while attempting to misdirect to literally anywhere but him.

I'm probably missing some but that's off the top of my head.

[chkflip]

Momma says, "stupid is as stupid does."

[chkflip]

As tasty as I find a Clemency lynch, one can only hope we get another Fonzie boi to replace into that slot. I was going to ask how that slot isn't also self-fulfilling like the docs but duh they're vanilla now. Of the cops I definitely agree that Clem dogg is def the scummiest.

[chkflip]

It isn't a solve if it's half baked and reliant on a single boogeyman role with no credible outcome in sight, so please don't apply words to things that are egregiously untrue.

[chkflip]

Why are you 100% sure enchantress > rolestopper?

[chkflip]

The 3 variant rule =/= Titus solved the game with a single lynch, especially since she absolutely refuses to elaborate on how a Nip

slip

flip nets any information beyond "ope guess A50 *DID* clear Nips ohhh gosh gee golly jeepers better continue this VCA thing that definitely didn't fucking work yesterday yep that's win." No. It's not a solve. Don't call it a solve. It's a theory at best and not a very good one if there are actual viable conclusions to be drawn elsewhere.

[chkflip]

I'm on the right side of history here, bud, so you can go back to talking about me instead of to me if you're gonna be a curmudgeon about it.

[chkflip]

Cool story, bro. Super passionate.

Still wrong.

[chkflip]

Bring the heat again and I swear I'll make Clem's replacement tell us your role.

[chkflip]

The only way I believe there's an enchantress over a rolestopper is if I assume one of the pro-theorists is on the mafia team with one and latched onto or created that theory for future townpoints. Period. Otherwise, your "Occam's Razor" theory isn't any more credible than mine. Sorry not sorry that I'm not just sheeping everybody else here.

Welcome to mafia with chkflip. Enjoy your stay.

[chkflip]

I'll also point out that, under my theory, you're fucking lynching TOWN. And on planet chk your boy allows that to happen 0% of the time. Crazy, right?

[chkflip]

Neither is any more possible or impossible than the other.

Just because you have more people sheeping you, with one that has now anointed themselves as Boon Historian in Chief (which is nothing short of fucking laughable), doesn't mean your theory is any more valid than mine.

[chkflip]

Mars, if you don't have

literally anything

to say, don't waste my time with quotes from a page ago with a sassy two-word attempt to shade me further.

[chkflip]

I can't help you if you don't understand how what you're doing is bad.

I will say that I do get a little visceral and acidic when impassioned. I cut my teeth in this game when people weren't as koombaya my lord, but I'm not too proud to say that I don't mean anything more than I don't think this theory has any more backing than mine regardless of experience. Setup speculation is a very small tool in the big grand scheme of things and shouldn't be looked at as the say all be all.

There are also quite a few publicly recorded "normal" setups in Boon's archive of posts if that's the way you want to go. I'm more than willing to look at them and speak objectively toward that.

If I offended you, dave, I apologize.

I think that, honestly, we should keep the setup spec to a minimum right now as we're rearing toward the end of this phase and what has already transpired has made more than one person in this game vocalize how it made them tune out.

Bambi, 50, Haggle, Drew, Creature: those aren't viable wagons today. You're more than welcome to make a case and we can go from there but I really don't think we're doing anything but lynching either Drew or Nips.

Chemist, VnM: place your vote, please.

Fonz: I hope you're closing in on being caught up and can participate with us more frequently soon.

[chkflip]

Destress your breasts guys it's a Goddamn game.

Just fucking ignore each other for a while.

[chkflip]

Because plenty of people have just shot the shit in this thread. Why are you being hyper critical in this one instance but not with other people doing the same thing? Oh shading cool got it.

[chkflip]

Hey dave, I'll gladly pay you Friday for a hamburger today.

[chkflip]

@chk– what are your reason for voting drew?& who do you sr besides him?

ISO me for the case there.

I'm keeping the rest close to my chest for now.

[chkflip]

So nothings changed in the reads you’ve talked about?

Some have softened, some have hardened, but I don't think any of them warrant a full flip of a read until tomorrow. I'm just not willing to chase any other reads given the current gamestate and looming deadline.

Shout out to Fonz for the reply. I half expected you to not be a fan of either leading wagon given my town read on your predecessor and my basic understanding og your playstyle. Hardens my read there.

[chkflip]

50, please just move on from it. Disengage.

[chkflip]

That is... Correct

[chkflip]

Fonz, please ISO me for my case and lmk what you think of it. I'll save the thread a repeat, just looking for your opinion in particular. Adorable as well I suppose.

[chkflip]

For ease of access, 3607 outlines his voting pattern and 4355 outlines my thoughts on the slot on a whole.

I presented something to you earlier, dave. Did you consider it?

[chkflip]

Still waiting for Titus to grace us with that VCA for 4176 as well. That was a very serious quest, m'lady.

[chkflip]

omg change your avi back dass scawy. D=

[chkflip]

@chkflip, I am willing to state a general principal if I am wrong. However, I just don't have the willingness to indulge in a likely falsehood or the data to do so if I was so inclined.

As for the rest of the thread, I may have missed something. I just saw chkflip's post on refresh. Unless catch is quick, expect it tmo.

"I'll use dodgy VCA to benefit me, but not to benefit you."

Fucking what.

[chkflip]

To be clear, you're indulging in a "likely falsehood" to implicate Nips. Your entire premise is that the D1 wagons HAD to have had a scum wagon. RnJ flipped town and we have a pseudo-clear on Haggle so Nips is scum. Yet you are completely unwilling to do the same practice in the event Nips flips town... becaaaause...

Right. You yourself said you'd CONTINUE to use this logic if Nips flipped town. I asked you to do so.

You said it implied scum was off wagon. I asked you to show me.

Simply put, just be honest. You CAN'T find scum that way without more flips. Especially a scum flip.

Don't spit in my face and tell me it's fucking raining.

[chkflip]

6 days.

The entirety of the Nips argument is bullshit. It's VCA that is nearly inadmissible given that we don't know much beyond two flips and what people have openly admitted to. Two people couldn't target 50, who is basically a town-confirming hider, right? Right. Town by play. Could be ascetic if he's lying, could've been enchanted, or he could've been role stopped for protection, right? Right. Yay more mechanics talk. But I'm not even arguing the mechanics anymore. It's tiring and dreadful and neither of us are moving. Fine.

From a play standpoint on both slots only. Just play. Post content. You don't KNOW anything. You only feel like Nips is scum because you're conf-biased into believing it. What scum narrative involves being afraid of the game from the gate? What motive does he have in confiding vulnerability? Those are newb town traits. I spent the better part of two years playing IC game after IC game after IC game because I wanted to be able to read people of different playstyles. Particularly ones where they were... let's say unwashed by mafiascum normal standards, practices, and play. He's newb!town. Those posts are too fucking genuinely paranoid and confused (maybe not the best word, more general worry) to be scum. I've seen the newb card played countless times.

Please, trust me.

also50hidbehindhimanddidn'tdiebutthisismechanicsfreeargument (bit of humor to assure you I'm no longer taking this as angrily and seriously as before)

I made the offer to dave but I'll just come out in the open and not beat around the bush with you, Titus.

Give me your vote today and I'll give you mine tomorrow.

[chkflip]

Please read the whole post and look at what I'm actually saying instead of getting in a huff over my flowery language. I'm not calling you stupid. I don't think that and we should know each other well enough by now to know that. I'm in no way insulting your intelligence or think that in any given situation or game that you couldn't find scum using VCA without scum flips. I'm saying that you're not allowing yourself to consider the consequences of you're potentially being wrong. If 50 wasn't hit by an enchantress, that we still have no reason to know exists -- not believe, but know exists -- then it's just as arguable, obviously, that 50 cleared Nips. And you want to lynch him because you believe in this and believe dave, who by no means should've been subject to such a role, cleared Haggle in the sense that he doesn't have a dagger. I get it. I admit that your argument is mostly sound. I understand. All I'm asking is that you please take a step back and think about this. What if I'm right? What if Nips is cleared? You're hesitant to lynch those that have claimed protective roles because it'll sort itself out, right? How is this situation any different?

Now, I get it. Scum does absolutely play the newb card. Seen that a lot, too, and I'm by no means the baron of hard reading new people to the point of being able to clear them or not on that alone.

I'm just asking you to give it a night. Give him, for a moment, the benefit of the doubt that is objectively there. Please.

[chkflip]

That's all I'm asking. Think about it.

I think that generally speaking our reads lists are pretty obvious and you by no means have to follow mine if they kill me which, honestly, would only be to shut up the angry man in the corner not making things easy for them. Again that's making a ton of assumptions though.

Also I'm following you on the morrow not the other way around.

Pedit: not AS self-resolving as doctor claims, no. You're absolutely right there. But with more flips (fingers crossed Drew scum but nobody knows for sure except the mafia) I feel like you'll either be bleedingly correct or we'll be able to find something more clear than even that.

[chkflip]

The count is on 181. He was at five. Only one person has voted him since.

And I feel like you're all giving me way too much credit here. I'm potentially a lying Miller claim. Remember that.

[chkflip]

Can't remember off the top of my head.

What was it again?

[chkflip]

Okay, dave. So does it read like this one:
viewtopic.php?t=78060&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

Or does it read like this one:
viewtopic.php?t=79544&f=56&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

[chkflip]

Oof.

I disagree, dave. There's motive to his behavior in both. The second ones almost a mirror image to how he started here. I understand that this is only one instance, but it was a long while ago and one doesn't usually manufacture similar posting style from a single game almost a year ago on the off chance someone looks and sees it. That's goofy.

I will concede that he has completed more games than I assumed he had. I thought he was like Boon's other friend that doesn't play here much.

[chkflip]

@chkflip, We're roleplaying Kobolds tonight. Good luck tmo.

KOBOLDS! I wish I had more Kobolds. I only have like three or four. Awesome little shitheads, they are. If you've never heard of Tucker's Kobolds I'd suggest a Google search for it. Funny tale of a DM who masterfully used their tactics and trapmaking for a first level nightmare.

[chkflip]

VOTE: Joan of Arc

Fuck lurksack garbage.

[chkflip]

I didn't really think about it earlier tbf. With so many cops why didn't the backup wait for more flips and just take the first fucking role?

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Smells like bullshit.

[chkflip]

I understand we didn't know there were cops at the time but to take the first flip immediately feels like a Goddamn cop out of a claim.

[chkflip]

That's never how I've read the wiki or used the role personally but can't recall off the top of my head whether that's the more used option if it is one.

[chkflip]

Also I'm just going to throw out there that mafia absolutely must have safe fake claims at this point. All the claims seem too good to be true and I just don't believe the backup claim as a whole much less that he'd take the first role if given an option.

Also Nips is fucking flipping town and I hate that you're all behind lynching Nips for shit VCA and content but aren't willing to flip Joan who just outwardly doesn't give a shit about games they signed up to fucking play.

Never letting that garbage near a game of mine ever though so thanks for showing your true colors.

Pedit: okay, so not having an option is an option. That's dumb but whatever. That's a setup/design opinion and not one of this game or Boon in particular.

[chkflip]

I love that two people reiterated what was already acknowledged by me from Frost.

I still don't fucking care.

[chkflip]

Don't give me self resolving bullshit I'm not waiting two more day phases to "figure out" if he's lying or not. We have like four "self resolving" slots already so no.

Pedit: what insult? That Joan's play is outright in the open garbage play and I'll never let them play a game I run? They admitted to not caring about this game so I fail to understand how that's an insult at all.

[chkflip]

Meh. I meant her play. Whatever.

[chkflip]

Nobody else thinks this is way too many good claims to be true? That town couldn't possibly have thought all the major power roles in the entire Goddamn game just happened to be the scummiest people? Jesus Christ. Actually think about what is happening instead of being afraid of taking the slightest risk. Fucking lynch scum for God's sake.

[chkflip]

VOTE: Adorable

I'm good with that.

[chkflip]

Yeah I don't think anyone should be voting for someone who has objectively been fucking cleared by our hider but scum is just going to ride that wave until it crashes so I don't give a shit anymore. It's really fucking stupid to have to defend the absolute shit out of a possibly cleared slot so I'm just going to let it be. I'd invite you to lynch Adorable but it's whatever.

[chkflip]

There's no actual guilty on them, either.

If it avoids their lynch the offer still stands.

[chkflip]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I commit.

[chkflip]

VOTE: Nips

I legit don't fucking care anymore.

Don't expect shit from me for the rest of the game.

[chkflip]

Asking for an early claim is super pro-town I agree.

[chkflip]

No not sarcasm at all I can't wait to see how this goes for town.

[chkflip]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

People shouldn't have to fucking claim to get you to listen.

Fuck this shit.

I'm the town rolestopper.

I targeted A50.

Nips is fucking town, period.

Goodnight.

(Fonz my dude I apologize, I saw it but was busy at the time and forgot to respond. Will do so later.)

[chkflip]

I'm not a miller. I've posted several references to lying about that, homie.

[chkflip]

I openly mention it in 3510, used gifs in 2600, 2743, and 3503 before saying that, and openly stated who it was in 3514 with no explanation.

[chkflip]

Eddie Guerrero's last theme song "Viva la Raza" had "I lie, I cheat, I steal" as the chorus. I literally told you five times in the span of 900 posts that my Miller claim was bullshit.

And I fucking detest that I had to claim to derail this nonsense.

[chkflip]

One shouldn't be obvious in their crumbs.

[chkflip]

I think enough town have claimed and I absolutely loathe the lot of you for forcing my hand to fucking do that with this absolutely shit wagon. Like a ton of you want to assume a ton of things instead of taking a step back and thinking "oh wow maybe chk knows something he shouldn't have to share" but fuck no not this alphabet town. Need everything spelled out. God the site meta has fucking plummeted in six years.

[chkflip]

I've snipped quite a bit out of your post Fonz because it's either irrelevant now or I don't have anything to say about it at this current time.

First, Drew. I don't think he's scum. As I said above, it feels like he's going out of his way to maximally antagonise people to no obvious end. You are correct that he's vote hopping to try to get town credit. Problem is

he openly admits to doing this

which is a weird move if scum. He picks a fight with a town leader type over fucking typos - who fucking does this? He makes pre flip associative, which looks like bad scumhunting to me. If it weren't contra booned, I am pretty sure at least one person would be Jester speculating about him rn.

You don't think scum could purposefully play sub-optimally for a "benefit of the doubt" town read? Really?

I think the VCA has some validity. Three equal wagons to town lynch, with one of the other wagons getting an innocent investigation, suggests at least that I would expect different scum behaviour between the scenario where all three are town (I'd expect scum to stand harder behind their existing wagon, maybe vanity wagons, before piling on right at deadline with the cover of preventing no lynch) vs if the third is scum (where they'd be more willing to leave room to suit between the other two).

5 vote wagons with only two town flips does not a good VCA make. You're also assuming a lot about scum here that I don't feel would necessarily be true if they're lurking and, to be fair, a lot of the game lurksacked through a lot of D1.

I'd suggest if you are as sure as you represent yourself as being on Nips Town, poking around that period of the game and seeing if anyone fits the patterns you'd expect.

That's where most of my vigor against Drew came from, actually, and it's more than a little surprising to me that you've not noticed that you're telling me to do the thing that I pretty clearly did do.

[chkflip]

why rolestop Almost?

UNVOTE:
i'll vote later when i'm not in class.

You're right. Why stop someone from subverting our town-confirming role from confirming town? What a shit use of an ability wow wtf guys.

Come on, Chara. Jesus Christ.

Titus, that's not how a Rolestopper works and Idk why you'd think to ask that given my vehement day-long defense of Nips.

[chkflip]

It very likely isn't, Bambi.

i don't find that warranted when i didn't insult your choice of action. i just asked. jesus christ.

You're right. I've been taking my night out in this thread and in turn got a little more bitey than I should've against you. Apologies.

[chkflip]

Drew is at L-5.

[chkflip]

Chkflp, would you be disabled if a theoretical doc enabler were killed?

I'm not giving scum an ounce more information.

dave saying it's weird I went to bat for Nips is fucking hilarious to me. Not like I had a choice of who my target cleared OR if I know 50 would survive into the next day to clear another person. You're right. Cops let their innocent clears get lynched ALL the time. Best in show.

Almost as laughable as him mentioning policy lynch in a game where a lolhammer, fake posting, and openly not playing the game have all happened. Those are fine... BUT FAKE CLAIMING MILLER WHAT!? Get out. You should stop trying to spend so many posts setting up for a later lynch and give your balls a tug, guy. Come at me bro. That slow roast has GOT to be tiring you.