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Also we have to consider that Leading Actors are still standing up despite Elements having been killed so the chance that the 2 people remaining in that hood are town or both scum are higher.

[nomnomnom]

Also we have to consider that Leading Actors are still standing up despite Elements having been killed so the chance that the 2 people remaining in that hood are town or both scum are higher.

Or they don't want to risk confscumming one of them

Heh sure. WIFOM though.

[nomnomnom]

Ank can I know why Volpe is below me in terms of lynches? I thought I was in your confident town read list

[nomnomnom]

It'll be really funny if my initial Volpe read was right lol

We have to be careful with my hood though I can't stress this enough.

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The only reason Nomnom might be above GIF for me at any moment is because this “scum terror if they get our ability” and i can’t really think of anything scum could get that would make them that deadly.

Well it is a pretty disastrous result if I do say so myself.

[nomnomnom]

@Maria Ico just told me that it was a very "pingy" sort of read and that he would "semi-push" it.

[nomnomnom]

ok scum

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I made a bit of homework regarding Volpe. Funny thing first and foremost is that he has no town games on this account except if I missed it lol

Had to check Nibbui/Fumuki/Yurrei. My conclusion is that a lot of his town games are a lot more calm, like even when he loses it a bit it's still very much neutral in terms of accusations. I have the impression that Volpe this game just rides people's asses with a million things.

Checked a few scumgames also. I realized that paranoia is a thing he uses often when he posts. He seems to display paranoia right now as well. So what I'm saying here is that he's entirely within his scumrange and has displayed a few traits from his scumgame.

Maybe I was right originally. Maybe. I'm going to take a deeper look and re-read his ISO but so far I guess maybe the scumread on him is right.

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nomnomnom - I don't have a large meta record here. The what she's trying to do seems clear most of the time, but the why not so much. Weak scum tainted by disagreement bias?

I've had one nomination for a scum game where I played everyone like a fiddle so if you're going to read me as scum it's certainly not because I have a weak scumgame friend.

Skitter and Ank have come to fear my scum game as well.

[nomnomnom]

What I realized is that people deflected really quickly from the proposition to lynch in the commuter hood and pointed fingers everywhere else. Interesting.

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nomnomnom - I don't have a large meta record here. The what she's trying to do seems clear most of the time, but the why not so much. Weak scum tainted by disagreement bias?

I've had one nomination for a scum game where I played everyone like a fiddle so if you're going to read me as scum it's certainly not because I have a weak scumgame friend.

Skitter and Ank have come to fear my scum game as well.

also ignore this post I dont know why I somehow managed to misread your post

[nomnomnom]

I never said it was, but people deflected from that proposition quickly despite me and Volpe being prime lynches yesterday.

It's food for thought.

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and it's not weird at all that people came in suggesting to lynch within that neighborhood immediately and to create lists of what order people would be willing to lynch each slot?

No, I think the only weird part is that this was suggested today, as opposed to yesterday. This plan could have perfectly been proposed yesterday but this was only suggested at start of day, so this could signify that scums want to push this now and coordinate this, for one reason or another.

[nomnomnom]

I think we should also out neighbors in general. Not the powers, just the composition of the neighborhoods.

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Speaking of which, don't forget to check if you're voteless next VC.

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and it's not weird at all that people came in suggesting to lynch within that neighborhood immediately and to create lists of what order people would be willing to lynch each slot?

No, I think the only weird part is that this was suggested today, as opposed to yesterday. This plan could have perfectly been proposed yesterday but this was only suggested at start of day, so this could signify that scums want to push this now and coordinate this, for one reason or another.

did you take this into account when you made your initial post?

Not really.

What do you think of all of this? You seem to think this is strange and all. Explain.

[nomnomnom]

What's up with the pessimism?

[nomnomnom]

Wanna know what I'd love to do rn? Play some mafia. Let's talk about EP let's talk about Dave let's talk about the fact the commuter hood keeps getting brought up when their power is 'rly good' is rly rly scummy. Anyone with me? No? Okay.

Sure what do you want to say about those things?

pedit: Why on earth would people vote DEB to be voteless, mind blown

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VOTE: Chenn

How Chenn act reminds me of how angry he gets as scum. This is within is scumrange.

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I'd also like to point out that before any of this Chennis was totally okay with neighborhood discussions yesterday and addressed Dave on his few hood theories and had no reaction to GIF outing our hood, so my belief is that this is fabricated AtE.

[nomnomnom]

Chennis talks about hoods but also doesn't want to talk about hoods really makes u think

[nomnomnom]

?

What kind of post is that

[nomnomnom]

but you just said

what

[nomnomnom]

Can someone remind me of a case against EP

[nomnomnom]

I swear I just heard Maria smashing her head on a wall just now am I crazy or

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We can still vote Chennis y'all this is his one daily comment and it's about hoods what were the odds

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so i had a thought process, and i would play devil's advocate and think of reasons nom/EP should not die

and i came blank

I've heard it all befooooore
And I
can take care of myself

[nomnomnom]

by the way I'm not feeling this EP wagon I really don't want to go there.

I feel more confident on a Chennis vote, or even sorting in other players.

[nomnomnom]

Chennis/Gammagooey

Anyone else seeing it?

Yeah I could honestly see that.

I'm also considering DV in that list, something isn't quite right.

I'm still sorting in my own hood too, I'm still wondering about one of GIF and Volpe but it's much less important than before, but GIF vanishing like this is worrisome.

[nomnomnom]

Smart design would say that a hood has 2 scums.

But I'm not the one that designed this so...

[nomnomnom]

I see all these EP is town stuff but no one be telling me why

I literally see no reason to scumread the guy.

He doesn't strike me as scummy.

[nomnomnom]

Here we go again.

You're ultra tunneled.

[nomnomnom]

If for 2 days straight you have the same read even after a V/LA there is a serious problem, so either you are playing terribly as town or this is just a scummy way to pass by.

Your posts literally contain nothing pertinent to the gamestate either it's just self centered and you went past through everything else, it's crazy.

[nomnomnom]

You're ultra tunneled.

That's all you've to say to me?

You were literally super suspecting me but suddenly I'm not a plausible scum pushing you but you go direct for "You're tunneled!"

Your "scum slip" on GiF too, already gave up on that?

This is ridiculous.

I like to consider every possibility. You are either tunneled, or you're pretending to be as a way to go through unnoticed, so if it's case 1, maybe it's time to read the game proper.

Both of us aren't the lynches today either so that's why I am asking you to stop being tunneled hardcore.

pedit: I change my mind often because this is mafia where people NORMALLY change their views over time. I read your games and that's my own conclusion, feel free to disagree.

[nomnomnom]

By the way I'm not doing this shit again, read the gamestate or I'm not bothering interacting with you and you gain scumpoints bye

pedit: rofl a sheep vote. Okay you clearly didn't read the game. I'm starting to think maybe I was right on the money the first time I voted you.

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Both of us aren't the lynches today either so that's why I am asking you to stop being tunneled hardcore.

Why aren't you lynches today?

What kind of conceited view is that?

Also weren't you pretty hot on lynching on hood today?

180º without reason again?

Dude you clearly didn't read today, do me a favor, stop spewing garbage all over the thread and read what's happening because CLEARLY none of us is getting lynched and the top wagons are elsewhere.

pedit: Yes voting the same person as someone else is always a sheep vote. You're a dumbass.

[nomnomnom]

Well tbf when I said "none of us is the lynch today" that takes into account you don't do something terribly scummy like only posting shit about you in the catchup and not addressing the gamestate.

[nomnomnom]

I don't think it's impossible EP, DV or Chenn are scum, but I feel better about you guys lynches so...???

my gut is screaming for a Volpe vote right now ngl.

This is straight up ignoring the gamestate and this is an ultra scummy post in general.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Volpe
Nah I just can't let that go through. I refuse.

[nomnomnom]

I refuse to believe that a townie would go this fencesitty on the gamestate and say "yeah they could all be scum but my reads are better". Nah, even someone like RC who's likely to pull that shit off would tell you why you suck at this game and why those people are not scum, or at least why they're not lynch worthy.

[nomnomnom]

You're making awfully scummy posts and I wanted to go for Chennis/Gamma but you coming in and doing this is just so bad. Like here's where I'm at with your slot: either you're town and you give so little of a shit that you don't even bother with this game anymore, or you're scum making the lowest minimum effort then pulling this AtE shit of "I don't wanna play this game" to make the pill go through. Which version do you want me to go for here?

pedit: No what I said is that if you were town I'd expect a lot more commentary than "these top wagons? nah no thoughts about them die scum".

[nomnomnom]

????

I'm at loss of words.

Can't wait for someone in this playerlist to proclaim this is a TvT again btw.

[nomnomnom]

It's just either really bad play or openwolfing his ass off which consider Volpe's profile is entirely possible.

[nomnomnom]

Supposing I'm wrong on FL/nomnom, scum is probably in at least a good chunk of the lurkers out of A50/Ank/GiF and haven't been doing anything in the grand scheme of things

Supposing I'm right on them, town hasn't done much to help me here and it has been mostly been me screaming to lynch scum while people look elsewhere

I'm just tired of this schtick. It's been like this since very early day 1 and up to now nothing has changed other than the fact there has been gradually less posting since Night 1. I feel like we are almost on loop, look at that Chennis/Espresso wagon again, this 2v1, Ank getting doubted again. People talking about dave/GiF but no one going anywhere with that.

It's literally almost a loop from day 1 with a slightly different order of events.

There's literally nothing that resembles day 1 though? You're the only one that came up with the exact same reads as day 1 and you got called out for it.

You need to like, reread this game and pay attention.

[nomnomnom]

If you don't want to talk there's no point in posting, I'm still trying to sort here.

Don't start doing this shit.

[nomnomnom]

speaking of past town games I have the impression you should already know that this is my town game yet here we are?

[nomnomnom]

comedy is your interactions with the rest of the game; tragedy is your interactions with my slot

That doesn't have anything to do with what I just said but okay

[nomnomnom]

guys this is a literal waste of pages

[nomnomnom]

please help

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and here I thought I sometimes had dumb arguments in mafia games

[nomnomnom]

to vote or not vote ank

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Ank why is your contribution amount so low

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I mean putting aside the dumb spats I think there's a lot of content here.

Can I get your reads on Volpe, Chennis, Gamma, EP and DV?

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Maria what slot would you be willing to vote on and compromise on?

[nomnomnom]

I didn't act a readslist I asked you a list of people you'd be willing to pile on.

[nomnomnom]

I'm gonna be honest, it's a stupid thought but to me it feels like the people complaining a lot about how horrible the thread is can be scum in a vacuum, it's an easy way to just dismiss the game.

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@Chennis with all respect to Cheeky she wouldn't be the first person I listen to when it comes to reads lol

if nom is town she thinks volxen = scum for BAD TMI

what did she mean by this

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Nom are you a dick to people who scumread you or just a dick to people in general

If you were to look in my record you'd probably find an example of both, it usually happens when I get paranoid, or not enough sleep, or I get irritated over a gamestate or over some people, etc.

Otherwise I like to think I'm chill

[nomnomnom]

what do you mean? I've insulted people in this very thread lol

I apologize by the way and I know this doesn't mean much but whatever

[nomnomnom]

Nom I'm still waiting for some people you'd be fine lynching.

Sorry, must have skipped that post

Volpe, DeasVail, Chennis, dave, maybe Gamma.

[nomnomnom]

Nom isn't ok lynching me anymore

Is this the apocalypse?

I don't like gambles.

[nomnomnom]

Gambles???

It's hard to get a proper profile out of you this game so I'm not risking a flip on you.

You just feel odd this game.

[nomnomnom]

I honestly forgot Volxen was in this game and that's not a good thing.

Do I feel good voting volxen when slots like Volpe exist is another question

[nomnomnom]

Didn't Ank have solid meta insights on Volxen or am I misrembering things

[nomnomnom]

Didn't Ank have solid meta insights on Volxen or am I misrembering things

This could be a TMI of a TMI.

TMInception

No I'm talking of a game I played with her before, or maybe it was someone else. I remember her saying she had solid meta insights on Volxen, but again it might be someone else.

[nomnomnom]

Trying to get townread?

That doesn't seem like you honestly

[nomnomnom]

still waiting for an answer to this

Didn't Ank have solid meta insights on Volxen or am I misrembering things

[nomnomnom]

Spoiler: A message to NOM from skitter

skitter says to to look at good jams mafia (where she was a jk and you were scum). She says to specifically read wobat's posts by the Volxen head, and how skitter reacted to them all.

skitter is also baffled Ank is not seeing/pushing this,

Right so it was Skitt that had insights on Volx that game, not Ank.

I'll go look, but if she says that Volx is scum here, I'll probably vote there. She has a good read on the player in general.

[nomnomnom]

Yeah so I'm just going to ship Skitter on this one VOTE: Volxen

[nomnomnom]

sheep*

[nomnomnom]

Let's just go on Volxen and end today

[nomnomnom]

There's one way to find out

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if it wasn't for the skitter sheep i'd reconsider going on Ank again tbh.

[nomnomnom]

I don't think know is the time for me to rage on about a nomnom scumread, particularly given that I also scumread Ank

How are these two related

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and yes I'm explicitly scumreading nomnomnom now

if me leaving her out of my townreads on 2/3 the playerlist wasn't indication enough of that

wait that's new

when did you start doing that

[nomnomnom]

such as

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Nonetheless, Ankamius, if you vote nomnom, then I will as well. What do you reckon?

We could solidify a volxen wagon which you do think could be scum but instead you want to vote someone that will probably never get lynched today aka me, why is that?
Not very team oriented of you.

pedit: the credibility to what? I've never heard you say such a thing in all the games we've played together

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Spoiler:

Here we go again.

You're ultra tunneled.

If for 2 days straight you have the same read even after a V/LA there is a serious problem, so either you are playing terribly as town or this is just a scummy way to pass by.

Your posts literally contain nothing pertinent to the gamestate either it's just self centered and you went past through everything else, it's crazy.

You're ultra tunneled.

That's all you've to say to me?

You were literally super suspecting me but suddenly I'm not a plausible scum pushing you but you go direct for "You're tunneled!"

Your "scum slip" on GiF too, already gave up on that?

This is ridiculous.

I like to consider every possibility. You are either tunneled, or you're pretending to be as a way to go through unnoticed, so if it's case 1, maybe it's time to read the game proper.

Both of us aren't the lynches today either so that's why I am asking you to stop being tunneled hardcore.

pedit: I change my mind often because this is mafia where people NORMALLY change their views over time. I read your games and that's my own conclusion, feel free to disagree.

By the way I'm not doing this shit again, read the gamestate or I'm not bothering interacting with you and you gain scumpoints bye

pedit: rofl a sheep vote. Okay you clearly didn't read the game. I'm starting to think maybe I was right on the money the first time I voted you.

Both of us aren't the lynches today either so that's why I am asking you to stop being tunneled hardcore.

Why aren't you lynches today?

What kind of conceited view is that?

Also weren't you pretty hot on lynching on hood today?

180º without reason again?

Dude you clearly didn't read today, do me a favor, stop spewing garbage all over the thread and read what's happening because CLEARLY none of us is getting lynched and the top wagons are elsewhere.

pedit: Yes voting the same person as someone else is always a sheep vote. You're a dumbass.

Well tbf when I said "none of us is the lynch today" that takes into account you don't do something terribly scummy like only posting shit about you in the catchup and not addressing the gamestate.

I don't think it's impossible EP, DV or Chenn are scum, but I feel better about you guys lynches so...???

my gut is screaming for a Volpe vote right now ngl.

This is straight up ignoring the gamestate and this is an ultra scummy post in general.

VOTE: Volpe
Nah I just can't let that go through. I refuse.

I refuse to believe that a townie would go this fencesitty on the gamestate and say "yeah they could all be scum but my reads are better". Nah, even someone like RC who's likely to pull that shit off would tell you why you suck at this game and why those people are not scum, or at least why they're not lynch worthy.

You're making awfully scummy posts and I wanted to go for Chennis/Gamma but you coming in and doing this is just so bad. Like here's where I'm at with your slot: either you're town and you give so little of a shit that you don't even bother with this game anymore, or you're scum making the lowest minimum effort then pulling this AtE shit of "I don't wanna play this game" to make the pill go through. Which version do you want me to go for here?

pedit: No what I said is that if you were town I'd expect a lot more commentary than "these top wagons? nah no thoughts about them die scum".

????

I'm at loss of words.

Can't wait for someone in this playerlist to proclaim this is a TvT again btw.

this entire exchange on your side is basically blubber and trying to discredit volpe without saying anything of substance whatsoever

and considering you came in 3 hours later and both responded to volpe in the same tone AND showed that you were still in your right mind makes it very hard for me to believe that you're just overcome by emotion

Well I still think all of these posts are true, Volpe is either tunneled or pretending to be, was posting absolute nonsense in thread and not reading the thread, how is this not substance? Do you even disagree with those points?

[nomnomnom]

it is

[nomnomnom]

Awful vote

[nomnomnom]

well if there's anything good about this is that what you're doing rn reminds me of the vote you made after I hammered you in that one awful micro we played together so there's that

[nomnomnom]

my reads have been mostly aligned with the majority for a while now
nomnomnom scumread isn't going against the grain unless you mean against my past reads
nomnomnom is at least playing ball when I had just quoted her doing the exact opposite???
why would I feel the need to have a different opinion when I've been under pressure for most of the game?

none of this makes any sense and it makes me wonder about you a50

I'm used to you being crazy but not this type of crazy

Seems like you forgot the post about me saying I liked your vote on me because it reminded me of one of your town games but okay.

Ftr I would still powerlynch Volxen even without seeing the replacement.

[nomnomnom]

DV looks really bad in this whole thing by the way.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: nomnom

I'm voting nomnom here but I want us to:

1) Use the most of this day phase since we've already lost half day 1 because of the modkill

2) I don't think nomnom/volxen is SvS therefore if volxen is ever the scum slot in that duality, I don't want to get it wrong because I feel like today lynch is going to determine a lot of what happens in day 3. I want the replacement to actually play the game. Replace him with someone that can be minimally active at least, we've enough low posters in this large game.

If Volxen flips scum this is 100% a scumpost by the way.

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DV looks really bad in this whole thing by the way.

How so? It'd be nice if he went into detail on why he's scumreading you like he's said he wants to but he's mentioned a scumread on you several times in the last few days.

Yes but that's the weird part. If that was the case why would he need Ank to vote for me first to jump as well? That's the part that makes me worried of the slot.

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Don't see why that forbids you from voting me in the first place and bugging others about voting me but alright.

Like that's what I've done with Volxen's slot.

[nomnomnom]

I think the focal point is that if Volxen scum then Volpe is scum because this trajectory reeks of scum buying time for their caught partner.

I can already see Volpe praying to the gods that his replacement looks townie so he has enough justification to push a lynch on me lol, that's how obvious his play is right here.

[nomnomnom]

Why are we talking about my discussion with Ank like it's a lesbian porn scene about to blow up wtf a50

[nomnomnom]

Also again I think Ank's more town for that vote on me so I think that's sorted from me.

[nomnomnom]

Wow I can't believe my eyes

[nomnomnom]

Just sheep Skitt on this one, FL. It's better for all of us. Plus if Volxen is scum, Volpe is scum too and that's another easy push.

[nomnomnom]

What does that even mean

[nomnomnom]

Can we end Volxen already so we can solve this game

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I'd like to also remind everyone that Volpe voting me here if you keep our hood into question should show how scummy he is in this whole thing and why you really should see this counterwagon as a futile attempt to redirect from Volxen being caught scum. This whole game collapses once he flips scum. Just please realize the gamestate you're in.

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No.

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I think the slot is scum, Skitter who I know has spot on insights on Volxen also thinks it's scum, no contribution, there's no reason to wait for a replacement here for me. As I said before the only thing this will do is that scums will not vote there in hope that the slot towns it up a lot so I get wagoned to death instead. So no I don't want this to happen because I already know this is going to happen. There's no reason to wait at all.

[nomnomnom]

I'll say this again there is literally no reason to read Volxen town here and if you can find one point it out to me. Meta insights also point to scum!volxen.

On top of that when Volxen flips scum, we have a very easy Volpe lynch coming through because his trajectory is completely scummy.

There is literally no reason not to vote Volxen here.

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I'd like to also point out that Chennis should also know all of this shit he's been in a hydra with Volxen before yet decides to vote me for some reason.

You remember that shit when Volxen completely stop talking once he got caught and you started writing paragraphs after paragraphs to save the hydra @chennis? This is literally what's happening right now except he replaced out instead. Wake up.

[nomnomnom]

I make simple posts with simple conclusions I'm not the type to write walls and walls and most of my posts are reactionary.

I want to note and renote that if Volxen is scum then Volpe is scum so it refocuses the game on a simply goal for town since everyone and their mother complained about lack of town cohesion. That's cohesion and a simple goal to attain together.

Again if you have no reason to townread Volxen and that you can't disprove the meta argument, or bring forth a counter-argument, then there is no reason not to vote Volxen here. Voting me is like ultra gamble material and I repeat this again but if you lynch me right now this is disastrous as the last standing ability of my hood is quite strong in scum hands so do not gamble with the gamestate just because you can't accept that you have no reason not to be on Volxen and as a result no reason to vote me.

[nomnomnom]

The objective correct move here is voting Volxen and it's mind boggling that I'm even a counterwagon right now honestly.

[nomnomnom]

I don't understand the logic but I'll take anything that'll prevent you from making a gamble vote on my slot.

[nomnomnom]

I'm more worried that nomnom is actually bussing right now

If that's really what you think I'm doing then there is literally no downside from your POV about voting Volxen here. Just saying.

Also I sheep skitter in this very specific instance because I do see what she's talking about regarding Volxen, it was a short game and she carried 2/2 whereas she didn't in your game, of course I'm sheeping that read.

Vote Volxen with me now.

[nomnomnom]

Espresso is town and their wagon is atrocious now vote Volxen with me all of this is nonsense.

[nomnomnom]

There's no reason to start with volxen instead of starting with us and resolving this tension first. It would let the game flow a lot better.

Are you high

We've finally got a real wagon started with people banding together to get this game going elsewhere than pointless discussions about nonsense and you want to go back to asinine 1v1s that last for 20 pages that will stall the entire game that everyone will skip? Are you for real?

[nomnomnom]

Nobody is going to seriously lynch you or me today it's a literal pointless discussion that will clog this thread once more like it did before, do you understand or do you seriously want to distract from the ONE positive action town has taken this game which is to wagon someone together? Because it's looking like you're trying to distract from a lynch here. Just don't make this hard man. Please. Nobody wants to do this not even you.

[nomnomnom]

Like, delaying tension by lynching outside of it is exactly the kind of thing scum!me does because it makes mislynch'ing in later days a lot easier

example: pisskop/A50 wagon in Day 2 C9++. There was clearly a tension in TW that did need to be resolved for the gamestate but people kept delaying it for silly reasons (like A50 lurking or PK playing around) and it cost them the game in Day 3.

This is what is really asinine, if you've such a tension where both sides believe the other are scum (no backtracking for you/FL to say that I'm not scum now). Volxen has barely been wagoned and you were already connecting me with him. If you SR me that much (by the way skitter also SRs me) you've no reason to go outside of me.

Unless...

You know you don't win a 1v1 right now and want to go for either a easier lynch at the moment or bussing a partner to discredit me/Ank/other people later.

I've a lack of reasons to TR volxen but I've actually reasons to SR you in my opinion, even if you think it's bad.

/rant off

It's not about winning or losing it's that nobody wants to read us going at it because we've been going at it a long time for day 1 and doing this will literally kill the thread once more and I won't do it. If that's your shitty attempt at shading me for not partaking in something that kills town morale then I guess I am scummy as fuck, fuck it. I'm not doing this again. All of this is just posturing and justifying a terrible vote over the objectively correct vote anyway. Stubborn aren't you.

[nomnomnom]

I ain't getting lynched today despite the 4 votes on me. Eventually people will come back to their senses and realize that Volxen is the correct vote. I'm not scared of being lynched here despite the consequences if I am.

[nomnomnom]

I don't know because I think he's scum.

If he's town I'll reconsider during night but that's not even a thing in my head right now.

[nomnomnom]

? Why are you misrepping me that's not what I said.

Ank is no longer a SR but I guess it's hard to re-read a thread for a scum player lol.

I don't want to talk with you, I don't want to be mean but jesus christ you're impossible.

[nomnomnom]

No I'm talking about how you act and talk in general it's really abrasive and it reminds me of how you posted in C9++ as well.

[nomnomnom]

Also what you're doing is called misrepping and revisionism stop doing this shit and start doing something useful like voting Volxen instead of trying to get into a 1v1 nobody, LITERALLY NOBODY NOT EVEN YOURSELF, is interested in getting in. Thanks. Christ almighty.

[nomnomnom]

[nomnomnom]

Also sorry I'm easily irritated by idiocy, misrepping, bad faith, or a combination of the 3.

[nomnomnom]

Nom you remind me of my own scumgame in Big Four

Your push on Volxen feels like my push on Yurkin in there

Like you are so confident he is scum and your reasons are so rigid it scares me.

Because it's a repeat of good jams mafia and you should be the first one to know this god damn.
I'm taking the role of a town leader here and trying to lead a collective lynch on a slot where I have some reassurance from a player I trust with her analysis on the player. Now we are going somewhere. This is great.

[nomnomnom]

I'm repeating the important bits so people finally do it.

Speaking of which vote Volxen.

[nomnomnom]

Nobody answers "yes" here just for the record.

[nomnomnom]

Also this is a very scummy thing to ask in general so vote Volxen or just don't bother.

[nomnomnom]

from a lurker to another lurker nothing to see here

[nomnomnom]

As I said before the only thing I am worried about is that scums are waiting for Creature to say anything townie to give the slot the benefit of the doubt when the slot is ultra scummy regardless. It's a pretty legit fear because we finally got something going on here.

[nomnomnom]

Don't bother.

[nomnomnom]

Anyway my objective here isn't even to get you to remove your vote from Creature, I'm perfectly okay with you voting Creature

the point is I'm not voting creature

Lots of words and courage for so much cowardice in the end

[nomnomnom]

Really really tempted to just vote volxen and kill kuribo and nom without hesitation if it flips scum

Really awful post btw.

pedit: the extremes are in your head buddy just vote Creature I ain't sitting here waiting for the guy to wake up to drop 50 posts in a row for some people to say "yeah he's town" in the end fuck that

[nomnomnom]

and then everyone clapped and you got reddit gold

[nomnomnom]

It's not a shitty vote nor is it a tunnel I'm just rallying town over a good vote on a slot we have meta on and something we can work towards as town.

This is a good day 2 why are you fighting this for a really awful counterwagon. I still can't believe people went on and on for pages about how bad it was to lynch in the commuter hood for me to end up a counterwagon talk about lack of consistency, I'll check that again tonight by the way if you got any names of people doing that.

[nomnomnom]

Boom let's get the flip.

Regardless of outcome this is a good flip. Looking at Volpe/Chennis for tomorrow.

[nomnomnom]

Why we got a good wagon going and this game isn't pointless 1v1s anymore, best outcome honestly I don't know what you're talking about.

[nomnomnom]

rofl

if volx is somehow town Chennis looks really fucking bad here.

So I guess I'm going chennis if town, volpe if scum. Sounds like a good flip.

pedit: too late

[nomnomnom]

GOTTEM

[nomnomnom]

nice lolcatting

[nomnomnom]

on the offchance you're town yeah this apathy into "sure whatever" hammer is the scummiest shit yeah

pedit: Blame skit

[nomnomnom]

I can't wait for this flip lmao

My hood's going to be real spicy

[nomnomnom]

I like how you started posting the literal second you got hammered that's the real fun right there lmao

[nomnomnom]

2hard4me

as I said even if you flip town it doesn't matter this flip gives a shitload of information about how people acted around volxen today and we can start solving easily.

[nomnomnom]

I don't know if it's because I'm sick and lightheaded but holy shit im laughing so hard right now for some reason help

[nomnomnom]

Creature I'm still mad about you not commuting in that game I replaced your traitor slot btw

[nomnomnom]

you can stop pretending any second

[nomnomnom]

all of this because you couldn't choose an avatar

[nomnomnom]

I think I would have lynched you regardless tbf

[nomnomnom]

Why so harsh

This game is almost solved guaranteed

[nomnomnom]

Like honestly this game started with a modkill and considering the absolute shit state of the thread a while back this is better than that shit

[nomnomnom]

I know this is mean but

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT SURVIVOR LYNCH HAHAHAHAHA

[nomnomnom]

On a more serious note I don't know what the fuck scums are smoking, Volpe was deathtunneling me and would have derailed the thread constantly today especially considering that he was freaking out about lynching a survivor without understanding that lynching a survivor especially this one is a good thing for town.

I'm a bit confused by this game, I still think Chennis' hammer yesterday is scummy as all hell.

[nomnomnom]

the hood i am in, volpe said chennisden is lock town and to lynch nom/kuribo/FL if volpe died.

and volpe died. what does it mean?

Obviously that YOU are the Scum of the 3. How does nom even think of killing Volpe if he said to lynch her if he died? How would she even consider killing him when half the players already wanted her head anyway, while the other half were either unsure or saying it's Volpe who was scum? Does she give the half that SRs more motive to come after her and the other half proof Volpe wasn't scum????

It just hit me that Firebringer brought this up who does that lol

That is like the scummiest attempt at "hey guys, this guy said something in our hood AND THEN HE DIED WOAH WHATS UR THOUGHTS????". Jesus lol

[nomnomnom]

the hood i am in, volpe said chennisden is lock town and to lynch nom/kuribo/FL if volpe died.

and volpe died. what does it mean?

nom can you confirm or deny Volpe said this

I'll summarize what was said by Volpe in the hood.

Volpe begged GIF to commute another person than the target I was choosing, so Volpe was clearly trusting GIF here.
Said that Chennis was close to locktown.
Talks about kuribo outing the modkill and doesn't think it's an angleshoot.
He said he would rather lose to chennis than anyone else.
Asked GIF to tell ank that if he died, to lynch in FL/me/kuribo.
Thinks the survivor flip is a town flip (lol)
Also thinks that EP needs to be wagonned but would rather lose to him than the trio he mentioned.

That's about it.

[nomnomnom]

I mean, judging by THIS GAME I could see GIF/FB as a scum slot, but the NSG flip makes it a bit less likely. I mean, how likely is it for a team to roll 2 scum roles anyway? What's the probability?

We're allowed to discuss this?

[nomnomnom]

Nice

[nomnomnom]

I have a feeling this NK was made solely for the purpose of posturing.

Other explanation is there's a SK and they wanted to hit scum and thought Volpe was scum. That's the only 2 explanations I have.

[nomnomnom]

hot take: I think nom is town and dumb.

That take is as cold as your heart.

[nomnomnom]

never

VOTE: FB

[nomnomnom]

Idk he gets angry pretty quickly for no reason a lot

UNVOTE: I still need to think though

[nomnomnom]

I'll get my lawyer

[nomnomnom]

Well how the fuck did this happen

ARE WE GOING TO IGNORE KURIBOS FAKE ANGER!?!?!?!

OR DO I HAVE TO FAKE ANGER FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE MORE FAKE ANGER!?!?!?!

Last time I pointed this out I got flamed for 10 pages and was very close to just ~not playing the game~, so.

Probably because there's a legitimate reason to get angry about someone breaking the rules.

[nomnomnom]

Well how the fuck did this happen

ARE WE GOING TO IGNORE KURIBOS FAKE ANGER!?!?!?!

OR DO I HAVE TO FAKE ANGER FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE MORE FAKE ANGER!?!?!?!

Last time I pointed this out I got flamed for 10 pages and was very close to just ~not playing the game~, so.

Probably because there's a legitimate reason to get angry about someone breaking the rules.

who broke what rule?

Chennis was going on about how kuribo reporting someone using a trust tell could be scummy, so kuribo got angry at that and Chennis said that the anger could be faked.

pedit: share your thoughts ank

[nomnomnom]

SILENCING KURIBO WAS MY IDEA AND YOU SERIOUSLY THINK IT WAS FOR ANY OTHER REASON THAN IT BEING FUNNY TO ME???

...what?

[nomnomnom]

the fact that Volxen flipped 3p instead of scum should be a huge red flag to people

In what way

[nomnomnom]

I'll be honest this is either a SK kill or a FL kill you choose.

[nomnomnom]

That or FB has balls made in adamantium and made the most scummy kill in history in order to get our last standing ability.

[nomnomnom]

You asked me why I thought he was killed. I gave you my reason. Don’t X that.

You can X it post game IF and only if Chennis is town.

I Xed it because it's untrue

[nomnomnom]

That or FB has balls made in adamantium and made the most scummy kill in history in order to get our last standing ability.

how would i make the kill. i literally got here after day started.

The whole scum team would have balls made in adamantium rather.

But I guess since GIF was AFK that possibility is starting to look unlikely.

It's just a WTF kill and I think FL is typically the type of scum to make that lolrandom whacky lol hyper xD kill just to make people talk.

[nomnomnom]

Speaking of which I did say that a SK would be interested in killing volpe if they thought volpe was scum and here we have FL reminding everyone that he thought Volpe was scum.

HhmmhmNMHMMHHMH!!!

[nomnomnom]

Speaking of which I did say that a SK would be interested in killing volpe if they thought volpe was scum and here we have FL reminding everyone that he thought Volpe was scum.

HhmmhmNMHMMHHMH!!!

Okay, why the fuck are you turning on me now? I’ve had your back near the majority of the game because I saw you as the townier of the 3 of your neighborhood, and it seems like every time there’s any kind of momentum towards me, you’re the first person to turn to these kinds of shade posts.

Random thought honestly.

You do seem threatened though which is odd. I was counting to go on FB/Chennis and Ank making a post about a reason to kill someone being untrue could be a slip or not considerate about their own words although I doubt Ank would make a mistake like this.

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: FB

My team agrees this is the right push. Full speed.

[nomnomnom]

why nom

Most likely to make the Volpe kill.

Bringing up the stuff that was said about lynching me if he died, and nothing else, is also extremely scummy.

My team told me I shouldn't overthink it and just vote there.

[nomnomnom]

not many laughs were had that day

[nomnomnom]

I mean I would probably replace out too if I got a survivor role with an extra difficulty added to it during team mafia. What a shit role.

[nomnomnom]

I laughed for a solid 2 minutes when I saw that flip. Not that I really feel bad, I've played with that exact role just with a dif name before and it's easier for it to win if it scum sides.

I laughed too just because Creature waited to get lynched to talk. That was hilarious rofl.

[nomnomnom]

nom are any of your teammates caught up with the game

DrDolittle read this game and told me I should pursue my FB read.

[nomnomnom]

did he say anything about why or was he agreeing with what you told him (assuming you told him your reasons first)

No, he just said that it was the right push according to him.
He also thought FL was town.

[nomnomnom]

also can you ask iconeum who in this plist he might have the easiest time reading

Ico and I had a talk over this game already but I'll ask him right now

[nomnomnom]

MathBlade wants me to make y'all understand that Titus is the only lawyer here, and we should be voting for nom.

What a terrible lawyer.

[nomnomnom]

If I'm last standing in my hood I will get nightkilled if FB is scum and we lynch him. Pretty sure.

Hell, if FB is scum, I'm getting nightkilled most of the time tonight.

[nomnomnom]

If I'm last standing in my hood I will get nightkilled if FB is scum and we lynch him. Pretty sure.

Hell, if FB is scum, I'm getting nightkilled most of the time tonight.

That’s bold because he’d have to get through another day phase with people knowing he has an OP LMS coming. There’s more than 1 person on the scum team, and they have more agency with this game than Fire does, so I don’t feel Fire’s the captain of his scum team if scum, if that makes sense.

You're assuming that the ability needs to get to night to get relevant.

[nomnomnom]

I... hm...

VOTE: FL

[nomnomnom]

I was about to hit the bed but I had either an access of genius or an access of insanity.

[nomnomnom]

There's just, you know. Things are way too odd with what FL is saying and how the game is going.

It's either a coincidence or FL's conducting this game, like he says he does as scum. And I have some things that perhaps shows he's trying to make this game go a certain direction and last night NK's goes in that direction too.

[nomnomnom]

Like you know I have one person in my head when I think about the topic "commuter hood" and it's FL. A lot of his agenda was getting people from my hood lynched. And guess what, not only has it been brought up 3 days in a row, but on top of that, Volpe has been nightkilled last night. I don't think it's a coincidence.

My insanity moment is that FL and FB are S/S.

[nomnomnom]

Well I'm a bit less certain about this last one... but I'm sure there's scum in these two, and the more I think about it, the more FL's words has been what's been happening this game, and if I trust FL on one thing, it's to calculate things as scum and have a plan. I believe his plan is centered on our hood, somehow.

[nomnomnom]

Like you know I have one person in my head when I think about the topic "commuter hood" and it's FL. A lot of his agenda was getting people from my hood lynched. And guess what, not only has it been brought up 3 days in a row, but on top of that, Volpe has been nightkilled last night. I don't think it's a coincidence.

My insanity moment is that FL and FB are S/S.

Not actually a bad hypothesis, but it’s not correct.

And I’d have gotten my commuter hood lynch if I were scum.

You've been pushing this shit for 3 days straight how much harder can all of this be clear

I think I'm onto something.

[nomnomnom]

I've got a good theory. Why volpe was nightkilled is to set up this situation of today which naturally lends into a 1v1. Maybe in that scenario FB and me are town and we're getting into a deadly 1v1 that fucks town up again. The reason this is done is to not only get rid of a commuter hood which can be problematic to deal with for scums but also make sure our last standing ability cannot be used properly as we would die instantly upon getting it. That's one of my theories.

[nomnomnom]

Also for anyone who cares my vote on Deas is reinforced by the fact that his behavior around volxen feels like scum setting up to take advantage of a town-volxen flip while he also seems very unconcerned by both Anka and Almost/skitter coming in with "hey this is actually just what volxen does as scum"

And I still think nom looks very town from her initial fight with volpe early game and 180'ing her read on him at the beginning of that so if you think Deas has a mitigating factor of 'maybe he's right about nom being scum' plz tell me why I'm wrong

Towniest thing you’ve said in a while tbh. First part.

Nomnom or FB should be the lynch today.

[nomnomnom]

Never stated that you liked A50's stance on our lynches. Couldn't find it anyway.

So tell me FL: If you were at my place and you realized this would you find yourself scummy? I know the question is weird, but I want to know your take on this.

[nomnomnom]

as in the whole thing about you being obsessed with our hood, and Volpe being the kill last night and it making not much sense but could make some sense if you wanted to dissipate our hood?

[nomnomnom]

@FL You said that what I posted was a good hypothesis, regarding the hood stuff. If you were sitting on my seat would you be scumreading yourself right now according to this?

pedit: just answer truthfully. Would you or would you not scumread yourself?

[nomnomnom]

Well considering it was a modkill not really lol

Again it's funny, you do seem extremely threatened by me going a bit insane with a theory. That's just very odd. I just want to know your thoughts.

[nomnomnom]

God damn it more chaos

[nomnomnom]

I'm not feeling this lynch but for some reason the wagon feels townie.

@Ank Ico told me that you're crazy for expecting him to read this game but that he has the most experience reading A50 here

[nomnomnom]

They're more interested in trying to hard solve the Normal so

[nomnomnom]

Nonetheless, I am fairly confident in these people being town:

davesaz
chennisden
panthaleon (he didn't respond to my greeting though :'( )
Gammagooey
Almost50

Ankamius and MariaR are almost there for me I think.

That leaves DEB, FL, kuribo, Espresso, Firebringer, nom

I don't want to lynch FL today.

But apart from that I don't have super strong feelings personally.

Those reads are a bunch of horseshit and completely contradict what you said previously.

You're playing according to where others want to lynch and trying to get by.
VOTE: DV

[nomnomnom]

Read his previous novels about player slots and tell me he's not adapting his reads according to the gamestate. DV is scum.

[nomnomnom]

why is everyone ignoring my posts about DV lol

[nomnomnom]

@A50 I fell on the spoilered notes about people, unsure if it's after or before what you posted.

Also I don't see the point of outing this unless you have a specific reason to ask. Mind you, I also don't know who GIF/FB voted all this time.

[nomnomnom]

Scratch that, I know who GIF chose n1, but not n2.

I also know Volpe's choices. Anyway, I would rather not out this, unless you state your reason. If it's because of Dave's comment, then rest assured we have nothing to do with it.

[nomnomnom]

I'm referring to these, A50. This is why I find that readslist hella sketch. Also those came after that readslist you posted so it's even more sketch.

I don't really think Maria is scum anymore.

Spoiler: Gammagooey

I'll be there for you if somebody hurts you

Even if that somebody is me

General Impression: I think he's town. The way that he's going about the game is very town and there are so many opportunities in his play to just play in ways that are more scummy but he doesn't take them! Woah

Specific posts:

1993- love it. So good.
2204- Obvious attempt to convert the gamestate to something productive.
2380- I don't think that vote on me comes from scum. I think that scum would try to come up with better reasoning before voting for me than "I expected him to be better".
2815- Super sensible posting! Scum could easily just contribute to the chaos by continuing to push me there.

Spoiler: kuribo

I'm a host of imperfection, and you see past all that

General Impression: I've thought all game that kuribo is town. I think this read is at risk of becoming stale, but not yet!

Specific things:

Early townread on me - I'm not going to bother linking the posts, but an uncharacteristically strong early townread on me would be weird coming from kuribo-scum. I'd expect him to at least fake more paranoia in regards to my alignment even if he was planning on pocketing me.
I thought that Kuribo's reaction to the whole Elements thing came from a town place rather than scum.
2712 I feel is possible as both alignments, however I think he's less likely to care about that kind of thing as scum.

Spoiler: GuyInFreezer

If you thought I would wait for you, you thought

wrong

My read on GuyInFreezer from his early play is leaning town, but I think my read will largely be influenced by his play when he returns, so I'm leaving this there for now.

Spoiler: Volpe14

When you leave, I'm begging you not to go
Call your name two or three times in a row

General Impression: Town!

Specific posts: Read them!

Spoiler: EspressoPatronum

Remember those walls I built
Well, baby, they're tumbling down

General Impression: Sorry Maria, but I still have Espresso as a townread. I think a lot of his play is a bit ~tone deaf~ for scum, who I think would make more attempt to read the mood of the room.

Specific posts:

I still read his general neighbourhood-outing stuff as town, and more recently:
2755- The existence of this post in combination with sassy posts at other times feels kind of town rather than scum going for a style of play.
2785, 2790- I think this comes from a town sense of self-importance rather than scum.
2793- Why is he still pushing the neighbourhood-outing thing!! It's just going to piss everyone off.

Spoiler: Almost50

I love you even more than who I thought you were before

I'm just going to leave it there for now. If anyone wants to talk to me about it, I'll explain it later.

--

I know I have too many townreads, and that's a problem I can sort out later.

BUT I think Ankamius and nomnomnom are scum. The nomnomnom read I'll explain later when I'm in a better place to because I want to make sure I explain that right. (My team also backs me up on the nomnom read)

I don't know where the vote count is at right now, but I feel like the current lynch options are town and I don't like that.

Spoiler: Dr. Easy Bake

Just tell me how it's lookin' babe, just tell me how it's lookin' babe

General impression: I don’t really know what his alignment is but I like him! I guess I generally lean town on him because he clearly doesn’t seem to care what people think? And he’s not playing in a way that’s actually set up for long-term longevity in this game.

Specific posts:

I actually kind of like 1407? He’s been asked a question by his neighbor-buddy and is clearly not taking it seriously, which kind of makes sense given that he was annoyed with his neighbourhood at the time!
I also feel like 2452 is more likely from town DEB than scum.

All that said, I need more from DEB. He’s not a strong townread by any means.

Spoiler: Flavor Leaf

I love his big ego
It's too much
He walk like this 'cause he can back it up

General impression: I’m not ruling out scum, but from a quick re-skim over his posts, I think FL is still probably town? He seems fairly transparent and this townread initially started during that weird FL vs. Volpe 1v1 where FL’s thought processes actually seemed quite dynamic in a town way.

Specific posts:

There are too many of them

Spoiler: davesaz

I don’t know much about fighting, but I know I will fight for you

General impression: My thoughts remain the same! I think dave is attracting scumreads because his posting style generally comes across as cautious which creates a scummy feeling, but for me, all evidence still points to Dave being town.

Specific posts:

614 is such a weird post for scum to make!
1222 – I like that he’s highlighting that his team aren’t very involved in the game. Often as scum in TM I think there can be pressure to pretend that your team is more involved than they are.
I like the 2054 and 2066 interaction with chenn and the development of a townready on chenn from it. I feel the temptation for scum here would be to ride the wave of FRUSTRATION as an excuse for having doubts for chenn’s alignment.

Spoiler: chennisden

Our love was stronger than your pride

General Impression: Coming out of Day 1 I think my townread on chennisden was stronger than it is now that I’ve gone over all of his posts again. However, I still think chenn is town! I like the progression of his reads on dave and gamma throughout the game. I can get a pretty good idea of how chenn is thinking about the game behind his posting, and I think that there is a lot of town conflict of thought in his posts that I feel scum would be worried would come across as wishy-washy.

Specific posts:

My read is more based on a general impression of chenn’s play than any specific posts, but these are a few that stood out to me.

435
1371 – not wanting to strongarm dave read
1607 sensible conflict of thought in regards to kuribo.

Spoiler: Vex Vience

Love forgive me I’ve been running, running blind in truth

General Impression: Town!

Specific Posts:

- The notes are cute. There’s also a lot about me being scummy without actually using that to push a scumread on me. Seems like a waste of effort for scum!
[post=2197]2197- I think this post in regards to hoods and how scum will night-kill does not come from a scum mindset. I actually think that scum are quite likely to kill in all-town hoods. They would be the most scary things to me if I were scum. Vex’s post also places a lot of emphasis on scum wanting the power, but I actually really doubt scum care and I certainly wouldn’t really as scum. But while I think it makes total sense for scum to shoot in an all-town hood and then create paranoia like this about the shot, I really don’t think scum would go about it in the style of Vex’s post.

Also the Maria neighbourhood thing.

Spoiler: Volxen

My love you've given me a taste of your honey
I want the whole beehive

General Impression: Super short ISO I love it! I don’t really understand the scumreads here? I like the posts. They show good thoughts on the game while my guess is that scum would pay more attention to being active and that their effort would be more devoted to keeping up a pretense of activity rather than actual decent posts.

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I’ll stop there for now, but insight into what my other reads will probably be:

MariaR- Cautiously town
Gammagooey- Not actually sure, but I was previously leaning town
Kuribo- Town
GiF- No idea. I really need to reread his posts.
Volpe14- Town
Espresso- Probably town
Almost50- Probably town
Nomnomnom- Probably scum

PEDIT: I disagree that it's scummy though?

[nomnomnom]

Alright. I decided to commute Ank and FL. In that order.

Volpe commuted Ank both nights.

GIF stated that he was commuting DV, and that's it. Don't know the n2 target.

So, as I said, this had nothing to do with what Dave was saying earlier.

[nomnomnom]

...What?

[nomnomnom]

By all means quote the post where you were informed of any of this, I'll wait.

[nomnomnom]

I'll be honest this is a very specific post to remember, holy

[nomnomnom]

I'm gonna guess he didn't have the time to do it considered he got replaced. So I think it's only our two votes here.

[nomnomnom]

I've seen this thrown around so I'll say this:

It's impossible that both me and FB are scum because that would make our LMS completely broken.

It's still highly possible that FB is scum because our LMS in hands of scum is ridiculously strong, and if I was to get the LMS I wouldn't be able to use it really well.

In any case I REALLY do not recommend lynching me since the chances I get nightkilled are ridiculously high and perhaps the only correct mechanical move is to lynch FB regardless of my DV read, so yeah.

VOTE: FB

[nomnomnom]

I mean you do what you want, but if FB is scum I am pretty much getting nightkilled every single time here and lynching me is probably making town lose here.