Micro 914: CultD3 (Over)

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Eeeego

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Ohey there's a wagon going
VOTE: falkran

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OMGUS

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I'm a main indeed.

Why was Falkland not lynched yet

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/in D3 cult

/out D3 cult

/In D3 Cult
According to rules, you can't vote no lynch!

I wonder whos alt am I.

LOL THATS HILARIOUS
VOTE: NO LYNCH

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Should have expected Korina to be here lawl

VOTE: nolynch L-1

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Are you not saying I did not mistake in not thinking you're not an alt of not a korina alt alt no?

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I think it’s vaguely for the best if UTs claim D1. If we have a UT massclaim our EV shoots way up and there’s nothing scum can do to stop it. OTOH, if scum claims UT they will be found by any other or claim and both cultists have to claim.

VOTE: Bingle
I think this is the first talk worthy thing in the game. Such claim would really be stupid for cult as that would put them in a 1v1 with a real UT. It makes all sorts of sense that if scum ever come to claim, they'll claim VT or a PR to draw PRs out or something. Therefore, this post is, most likely, coming from a cultist which is not the cult leader.

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no no no no
His point in claiming is to either force scum into d1 1v1 which is bad for them, since it's either leader or possibly a PR if I remember the setup correctly, or just...ignore them and allow them to avoid a mis-recruit which is obviously pro town. What I say is that clearly cult will not CC, and are far more likely to fakeclaim VT when they dakeclaim, so this just helps scum.
Worst case scenario is even supremely worse, where there is no UT and scum know this and THEY claim UT thus "conftowning" themselves until PRs die in the game when the setup becomes clearer.

Anyway, that is a bad bad idea, and suggesting it helps scum, and since the leader wouldn't want so much attention, this is probably not him

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sigh
nvm you guys practically already claimed. kinda forcing my hand here.

Not UT

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Finally some normal time at home. I love the weekend. holy fukshit.

I'm gonna go ahead and call the not korina alt town based on the long series of posts in page 6. First townread is first

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I think we should move out of the setup spec. Anyone who hasn't already claimed not UT should do so now, otherwise, I'm seeing any UT claims on day 2 onward as scumclaims.

btw if anyone is a UT they should claim non-UT too, imo

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I think we should move out of the setup spec. Anyone who hasn't already claimed not UT should do so now, otherwise, I'm seeing any UT claims on day 2 onward as scumclaims.

btw if anyone is a UT they should claim non-UT too, imo

You're joking, right?

Please do not lie here,

it defeats the whole purpose of the massclaim

, and do not be surprised if you claim UT later and aren't believed by anyone if you choose to do this. Lying here gives scum an opportunity to fakeclaim later while saying "oh, I lied at the time to gambit because I wanted scum to recruit me."

I repeat: A UT claim from day 2 onwards is a scum claim.

exactly! This massclaim is stupid. We should all, including UT, claim non-UT, and restart this massclaim D2 (or D3, depends on status)

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I missed shos. I know.
@shos, are you doing/ was doing a gambit you might want to reveal?

No I just had a rough week and didn't participate much in D1 mostly-useless chat. Hopefully this will change now, assuming there's content

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Fell asleep. will post at night or tomorrow.

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People though I was on L-1 & I was not hammered -> scum was on my wagoon.

Nolly, let me tell you something:
Any competent scum would double and triple check the votes before hammering someone if they thought they were on L-1. I instantly checked and knew it wasn't L-1 for one.

It's naive thinking to assume there's definitely 1 in 3 scum in your wagon just because sh0s put a fake L-1 out.

@sh0s: Was the fake L-1 intentional or not?

yup

Also I skimmed so far and nothing jumps too quickly or too urgently so I will stop neglecting the game tomorrow I hope. perhaps even sooner

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Beginning superslow reread etc.

Not_Cult Leader probably wants to instant hammer L-1 towns, right?

intent to put Farkran on L-1

This post is incredibly townish.

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Are you not saying I did not mistake in not thinking you're not an alt of not a korina alt alt no?

@fark Because the L-2 happened before page 3.

pedit: I have no idea what you're saying shos.

SH0S

this is hlarious

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My readlist so far:

TOWN
Kanna
Korina
Salamence
Nolynch
Bingle
Hectic
Poyzin
Shos
SCUM

Shos pings me as very sheepy and opportunistic so far. B
Poyzin introduction is by the manual "hi, i am scum and want to look town"

On the other hand i liked kanna, he can be town for now.

All reads are weak, non-detailed ones are even weaker.

I take issue with this post.
1. because why would anyone really try to form a full readlist in p3 of D1 where half the people barely posted? Sorts of feels forced, even despite the last sentence
2. shos sheepy and opportunistic? Is this your first mafia game evar? is this forrealz?
3. "I liked kanna"? is that one of the detailed ones, really?

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eh well I gess he's ok

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Poyzin looks like newbtown

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Also goodbye readlist; I couldn’t make one

What makes it good then? Why could he make one and you couldn't?

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Question
If we have col A or C, then basically we just have to Lynch the leader and town can't lose?

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Ebwop

If we have col A or C and row 3, then basically we just have to Lynch the leader and town can't lose?

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Alright I got cut off midday and will continue now

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Therefore, we mass claim not UT on DAY 2 to prevent that, rather than day 1.

There's no harm in waiting a day before doing so for the reasons I've already given.

Don't you think that massclaiming UTs on day 2 allows cult to counterclaim better? Suppose we do not claim d1, but instead we claim d2 (to reiterate: this is only about UTs, no other role should claim).

Player A: i am UT!
Player B: i am UT!
Player C: i am UT!
Player D: i am UT!

By day 2, cult will LIKELY have 3 members to work with, two of which are expendable. What do we do with those 4 claims? By doing that during day 1, we can control the damage done by wifom CCs. Either we do that d1, or we don't do that at all, imo. I support doing it though.

pedit: well, nevermind

This post kinda gives me the hibbie-jibbies
Usually such possible abuse of the game is thought out by scum, and this kinda looks like scum are trying to let scum know what should be done in that case. Although, it DOES discuss a D2 action so they WILL have time to talk about it N1. I dunno, this setup spec seems far less interesting and might be a way to kill off time and look like you're putting effort into the game.

Let's leave falkran as nullscum for the while

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What I say is that clearly cult will not CC, and are far more likely to fakeclaim VT when they dakeclaim, so this just helps scum.
Worst case scenario is even supremely worse, where there is no UT and scum know this and THEY claim UT thus "conftowning" themselves until PRs die in the game when the setup becomes clearer.

I agree that cult will clearly not CC UT. However, the 2/6 chance for an unsuccessful recruit of a UT does not outweigh the 2/9 chance for scum autowin if they hit the

sole town PR.

Further, an unsuccessful recruit actually doesn't help us much, since we don't know it happened until late game. Town almost certainly loses unless we hit cult leader early.

Is this a scumslip, showing knowledge that we are in C1/C2???

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ehhh nvm next post explains.

Setup spec by itself usually comes from town, debating on which is the best strategy is almost always TvT.

I disagree.
Mechanical discussions are the very easy for scum to engage with, while not moving the game forward. Mechanical talk is always NAI.

++1

I like nolynch

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OK the whole Korina parade on p6 looks to me a lot like korina's town play when she was TOWN in the cult game we played a few weeks ago

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Finally some normal time at home. I love the weekend. holy fukshit.

I'm gonna go ahead and call the not korina alt town based on the long series of posts in page 6. First townread is first

yupyupyup

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Also I meta’d Farkran and tbf they’ve done early readlists as town and scum so it’s probably NAI.

links pleaaaaaz

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I missed shos. I know.
@shos, are you doing/ was doing a gambit you might want to reveal?

Did you return to do me since then? if not how bout you do me now?
also not sure if you mean you picked up on the fake L-1 ages ago but id hardly call that a gambit

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Is salamence actually in this game btw?

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VOTE: no lynch

This is fucking scum, and I want it dead. He has one town read, one town lean, one null and everyone else is scum. I want this slot dead now.

do you have more so quickly? lol plz don't lynch my townread?

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{shos} - scum lean

Korina hun
please do tell me why don't you love me
spread the love babe
spread the love

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VOTE: Sh0s

SH0S

lol guys was I a wagon without noticing? I mean I heard Korina talk about lynching me, then bingle, now hectic (although iirc he called me town) x_X what's with all the hate

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I must be a really bad cult leader
everyone talks about me

Should have expected Korina to be here lawl

VOTE: nolynch L-1

My activity levels are absolutely horrendous right now, and I'm sure you all are rather upset with me not having much content to read me off of. Yet, there is a lot that I have missed. I definitely cannot catch up tonight, so expect my thoughts tomorrow. I know that Hectic asked what I thought of that quote, so I will at least be doing this tonight to make up for my terribly mediocre support.

I really don't see this post as an issue. Putting a player a L-1 this early in the game is certainly risky, but I don't believe that a cultist would put themselves on the spot by bringing a wagon to one away from hammer, which would certainly attract attention from the rest of town, which is something that shouldn't be wanted for any member of the cult on the first day, whether they were a leader or no. With that being said, this is definitely not the full story, and I apologize for not being able to deliver a more thorough response at this time.

even when this wasn't even L-1
I don't even recall what I posted until now that brings me to such spotlights repeatedly
can anyone tell me

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I missed shos. I know.
@shos, are you doing/

was doing a gambit you might want to reveal?

What does this mean?

I admitted that I didn't publish my read on shos yet and asked him a question.

very funny. But you know what I meant was what gave you the idea shos was gambiting?/why did you say this?

He doublevoted me. I was never L-1. If he did it intentionally, that would be a very towny behaviour, because he could catch cult member that way (I would get "hmmered") or find out that either a cult memebr is alrady on my wagoon or I am Cult Leader (I wasn't hammered).
He probably didn't do it intentionally, but since I wasn't put to L-1 and am town, one of people who voted me {Kanna, Not A Korina Alt, shos} is likely a cult memeber. Furthermore, I don't think that Cult Leader would want to be with the same wagoon as his Cult Member early game, which means that all of them are likely not Cult Leader.
Together with my reads, I believe that Cult Leader is in {Salamance, Poyzin, (Bingle)}.

I did do it on purpose. I do it aplenty actually, you can see my meta. I'm pretty sure I've been doing that even before my 18-months-long break from mafia.

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3) That is the only read I have thus far stated, yes. I don’t like talking about null reads, and the best argument I’ve read about a lynch candidate is Korina’s points on ”no łynch”.

honestly? the ONLY READ over 10 pages is a townread on hot-headed Korina? No opinions on anyone else at all?

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@shos; what made you change your mind in the 5mins between #282 and #283?

it appears one of my posts didn't go through. There should have been something in 282.5 bout a scumslip but nvm

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@Hectic 307: I wasn't fully grasping the setup. I do think I do understand it now though. You can be sure as scum I would have studied the setup faaar better, lol....
it appears to me now that the setp is actually town sided, in general. Cult win condition is to get a MAJORITY, so without a cult leader, technically they're pretty fucked, even if he dies D2 or D3. The cap makes me think all sorts of things I'd consider as scum which could be cool strategicaly but no reason to expose those. Interesting setup

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Therefore, we mass claim not UT on DAY 2 to prevent that, rather than day 1.

There's no harm in waiting a day before doing so for the reasons I've already given.

Don't you think that massclaiming UTs on day 2 allows cult to counterclaim better? Suppose we do not claim d1, but instead we claim d2 (to reiterate: this is only about UTs, no other role should claim).

Player A: i am UT!
Player B: i am UT!
Player C: i am UT!
Player D: i am UT!

By day 2, cult will LIKELY have 3 members to work with, two of which are expendable. What do we do with those 4 claims? By doing that during day 1, we can control the damage done by wifom CCs. Either we do that d1, or we don't do that at all, imo. I support doing it though.

pedit: well, nevermind

This post kinda gives me the hibbie-jibbies
Usually such possible abuse of the game is thought out by scum, and

this kinda looks like scum are trying to let scum know what should be done in that case

. Although, it DOES discuss a D2 action so they WILL have time to talk about it N1. I dunno, this setup spec seems far less interesting and might be a way to kill off time and look like you're putting effort into the game.

Let's leave falkran as nullscum for the while

Why do you do this when i just started feeling better about you?

Cult has daytalk. How does scum!farkran "try to let scum know what should be done" IN THE MAIN THREAD?

I mean... you seem to be forcing yourself to push on me by casting shade at every opportunity you get. This is just... a very bad, forced, reachy push on my slot.

Poyzin/shos? Would make sense with 284. Would make sense that cultist!shos tries mislynch me since i claimed VT and i would be a bad recruit for them.

I simply missed the daytalk thing. Assume I didn't know and reread that, it'll make much more sense lol

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@mod: i didn't notice salamence has been way over his prod timer. Activity overview says more than 3 days.

He's been prodded.


So anyway, catchup finished. Where do I park my vote

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Farkran - null leaning scum
Not A Korina Alt - most likely town due to meta. hard to read with all the bullshit slinged everywhere
Salamence20 - ????????
No łynch - probably town
Hectic - also probably town. he makes sense most places. not sure I saw genuine attempts there but for now this stays

I dunno wtf to think with all these:
Bingle
Kanna
Poyzin

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I'll sleep on it anf vote tomorrow

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@all: why not shos?

@shos: what’s with the abundance of fake ass townslips?

?????

I simply missed the daytalk thing. Assume I didn't know and reread that, it'll make much more sense lol

My issue with you now is that SOME paranoia and inquisitiveness makes sense and is a sane town trait. Trying to shade every post i make, on the other hand, is starting to look like you actually want to remove me at all costs, even when your reasoning has a wrong premise.

Even if you genuinely forgot about daytalk, why was your first thought about me trying to inform my partners on what to do? You seem to be inductively placing bad faith in my content, rather than deducing scumminess from it.

No, I didn't even vote you yet
That was also my first thought about Nolynch's say with the L-1 hammer danger. You're not alone. But I did realize that on his case this is imperative for town to be aware of, whereas with your case it is actually still debatable. I also did have the reservation about N1 talk (even with the mistake of daytalk) so that still didn't make me autovote you. I don't understand how you think I'm forcibly trying to kill you

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I simply missed the daytalk thing. Assume I didn't know and reread that, it'll make much more sense lol

Isn't daytalk assumed in games nowadays? I don't remember the last time I saw a game without daytalk for scum.

I've done a couple in the last couple of years.

A rerun of the 8 year old newbie and one where communication roles were the conceit pop to mind, but yeah, that's kinda one of the fakeass townslips.

Sorry guys I actually haven't been here 'nowadays'. I haven't played in 18 months and am now back. Back then daytalk was considered super powerful BTW, and quite rare - if this has changed in site meta I had no idea

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Also I kinda realize it is my fault I'm being attacked after the catch-up as I literally didn't even vote after it, but I'm really having trouble here. My best vote right now can go half heartesly only to poyzin, but I heavily suspect this is newbtown.

So here's something
Got a scumread? Good, explain to me why and make me sheep you.

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I still don't manage to recall why you scumread me, btw

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"inductively shade my posts"? I outright called you scummy there, and even if what you said was true I don't see how that makes me scum if you disregard what you call "disagreement bias". What sort of bullshit is that? It looks like you're trying to massage the word OMGUS into fancier words so that your argument looks good.

Re:1
Soooo....let's examine my "hard" reads? I dunno, I said quite clearly for example that the fact NL pointed the whole L-1 hammer thing was townie as fuck. Did I say I agree? Disagree? Anything?
I claimed outright that you making a full-playerlist readslist when the game has like 2 posts is bad. Oh did I use the word bad? Don't think so - what I said was that looked like scum trying to get by with useless and contentless posts that look long and as such make you look townie.

I'd rather park my vote elsewhere now
VOTE: Falkland

If you TRULY have a scumread on me, convince me. Should you succeed in making me think you scumread me, I'll unvote. Promise.

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Honestly don't know if scum or stupid by bow

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( no offense)

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Why is nobody talking

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@Bingle i did not understand your post

Shos has been scum in two recently completed games:

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81377
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81331

One of which I modded. Both featured daychat, and he expressed no surprise over this in either. There is no similar towngame where he expresses the belief that daychat is new or unique.

Daychat became the standard for Newbies sometime in late 2014 iirc. While it was (and still should be) considered a powerful tool for scum, it was by no means uncommon. Shos's argument that he was unaware of daychat being regular rings hollow, especially in the light of the fact that in the time frame of 6 months prior to his expressed date of absence through today I can remember two or three games that didn't have day chat total (Coincidentally, all games I modded).

His lie is both provable and easily proven, and further I expect he knew that I would prove it, which begs the question of WHY he was lying in the first place. My instinct is that it points to him as CL because it came AFTER I discussed the CL not using a too wolfy to be a wolf strategy and in conjunction with: These posts come across as forced townslips.

Also, he's overly self conscious about how he's seen in posts like 320, he seems more interesting in discrediting reads than building his own like in 322, and he also lied in a pretty obvious manner in 328.

Plus, there's this weird silence when I try to get people to talk about him.

that is such a good case I almost votes myself

Except..
These two games were the first ones I played in two years. In one I was scum, lynched D1 because I sucked, and in one I was town, only recruited to cult before endgame. Both games were bastard and I don't see how that should suddenly make me reflect on site meta.
Also I haven't played newbie games in years, and even before my hiatus most games did not have daytalk. So far so good re: fact check in your case.

Now you claim that I "knew you would prove my lie". Let's say I did. Why on Earth would I do that as scum?..and for the record, why on Earth would I think you will "prove" this? I don't know you.

Lemme look at those townslips

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All those posts are setup specs, I dont understand

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"Lied in a pretty obvious manner in 328"
..?
That's my readlist, what?

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I have not much to add about shos other than i don't think he's CL, but he might be covering the CL. I can still compromise on him if the deadline nears, but i see poyzin or even nolynch as higher CL equity.

Can we Lynch this please
Falkran keeps always calling people scum and then not voting them because they are not the cult leader. Possible cult PRs are not good lynches for D1? Put your money where your mouth is

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i don't think he's CL

Why not?

I think that, in a game where there are a fair quantity of newbies or at least recent join dates, people would be more inclined to play by the manual rather than subverting it. Cultist making himself viable for a (hopefully for him) later lynch makes sense, CL drawing full attention from all the most inquisitive slots makes... less sense. Wifom is king, as usual, and i won't rule out the possibility of shos being CL but i think he's <rand CL and >rand other cult.

This is so bullshit
Its like his own form of buddying

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Korina, we have like exact opposite reads lol

The 100% utter lack of resistance to the nolynch lynch sorts him out for me. Might be confbias, but I'm like 99% he's not the cult leader, as someone should have acted up, even self-sac at this point

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I'm feeling pretty damn good about sh0s!cult, I think. I don't know why you'd view him as normal cultist more over CL; different players have different ways of playing CL to whoever said that. Maybe fake town-slipping and being strongly opinionated in early setup spec is sh0s' way of playing it.

@sh0s: You moderated a game here before your hiatus, and use daytalk, and don't mention it as a particularly special thing. It's not written standalone in your rules, and you don't remind scum they can daytalk in either of the mafia PTs. Gives me the impression that you know it's a given, and doesn't need mentioning.

Dude that was part of a series of games that I modded in attempt to create a multiball balanced micro. daytalk was inherent as that was a crazy bastard setup.
Honestly, you're mudslinging to the point where I wonder if I should get you back to null or worse, lol. This is hardcore strawman - you're pushing the argument that I am scum because I had somehow fakeslipped town by not knowing that there is daytalking while knowing 2 years ago that daytalk is common in normal games when I mod crazy bastard micros - what on earth, dude

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OMFG do we have blatantscum and obviousscum as twon different players WHAT

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this is going to be confusing lol
and if scumteam is comprised of obvscum and blatantscum this is like worthy of a scummie

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@Hectic: Please do, by all means, try to convince yourself in your argument. When you've done the research - return to me and try to read my mind 2 years ago, lol. waste of time.

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ObvScum is such a troll
good that he replaced in tho we'd never consider sala without this

So many scumz.

Kinda still leaning towards shos though.

@shos; what do you think about my post? Also any comments about people calling out you fake townslipping?

Also I ISO’d shos and I do think there’s a p high chance of scum. This post stuck out to me in particular:

@Hectic 307: I wasn't fully grasping the setup. I do think I do understand it now though. You can be sure as scum I would have studied the setup faaar better, lol....
it appears to me now that the setp is actually town sided, in general. Cult win condition is to get a MAJORITY, so without a cult leader, technically they're pretty fucked, even if he dies D2 or D3. The cap makes me think all sorts of things I'd consider as scum which could be cool strategicaly but no reason to expose those. Interesting setup

The first part is a weird/fake townslip, and the second part feels kinda like scummy demotivation(?)

You aren't really reading the thread, are you?
VOTE: Kanna
So easy
Hectic and I have been talking about this for many posts

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@shos; i mean, iirc, you and hectic were talking about daytalk but you've "townslipped" so many times not even including that. Also I still don't know what your response is

ok explain to me ONE "other" townslip that isn't daytalk

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@Hectic 307: I wasn't fully grasping the setup. I do think I do understand it now though.

You can be sure as scum I would have studied the setup faaar better, lol....

it appears to me now that the setp is actually town sided, in general. Cult win condition is to get a MAJORITY, so without a cult leader, technically they're pretty fucked, even if he dies D2 or D3. The cap makes me think all sorts of things I'd consider as scum which could be cool strategicaly but no reason to expose those. Interesting setup

There's one right there ^ it's as if to say "don't forget I'm town!!" but it comes across as weird. That's what i was talking about in my earlier post; what's your response?

Saying "I am town" is not a townslip lol
Also yes, if you look at my records, I'm a far better scum player, like being scum much more than town. As scum I reaaaally invest time in learning setups. That's not a townslip, if any that's a selfmeta reference.

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Bungle says I am lying because I didn't express surprise at being given daytalk. Rather stupid IMO and a non-defensible argument which townies don't often make

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Shoval.
Or shos

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Oh wow. Cool.
That's actually impressive.

Bingle just became town

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Oh wow. Cool.
That's actually impressive.

Bingle just became town

I just want to say I am still deeply impressed

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That was like
Scummy Worthy

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It was two months ago, my first game onsite after the hiatus. You can be SURE that scum-me would throw it back in his face with a big I TOLD YOU SO if this was the case. But I'm not surprised that you don't let facts disturb you

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It was two months ago, my first game onsite after the hiatus. You can be SURE that scum-me would throw it back in his face with a big I TOLD YOU SO if this was the case. But I'm not surprised that you don't let facts disturb you

I think any!shos would have forgot about his own specific reaction after two months, otherwise you would have answered from memory, not from checking your posts in that game. And if you forgot your reaction, you probably wouldn't check because you assume there's no reason for bingle to lie. This is valid for any!shos and more generally for everyone, i don't see a shos who checks if bingle lied about that - it's an easily verifiable lie, so i would think most people would just assume it's true, and work from there. Which, for instance, is exactly what you did - proceed to defend yourself instead of checking. But again, even town!shos would have done that.

Town shos DID answer from memory here. Which is why I didn't fish it up. Scum show would have checked it meticulously to find a single post where it may even remotely look as if I may be surprised and shove it up his butt all the way through the colon until it's out the mouth, pick it up and shove it back again.

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It was two months ago, my first game onsite after the hiatus. You can be SURE that scum-me would throw it back in his face with a big I TOLD YOU SO if this was the case. But I'm not surprised that you don't let facts disturb you

I think any!shos would have forgot about his own specific reaction after two months, otherwise you would have answered from memory, not from checking your posts in that game. And if you forgot your reaction, you probably wouldn't check because you assume there's no reason for bingle to lie. This is valid for any!shos and more generally for everyone, i don't see a shos who checks if bingle lied about that - it's an easily verifiable lie, so i would think most people would just assume it's true, and work from there. Which, for instance, is exactly what you did - proceed to defend yourself instead of checking. But again, even town!shos would have done that.

Town shos DID answer from memory here. Which is why I didn't fish it up. Scum show would have checked it meticulously to find a single post where it may even remotely look as if I may be surprised and shove it up his butt all the way through the colon until it's out the mouth, pick it up and shove it back again.

Ill go even further and say that shosscum would have pushed a policy Lynch based on Lynch all liars there

I mean, this move was brilliant. Fucking amazing.

[shos]

Because it surprised me and it's cool as fuck. I wouldn't have done it in years of gameplay.

[shos]

Can we kill Blatant today and Obvious tomorrow? I really don't like their posting thus far. It feels like to me they're actively playing jestery. I don't know if it's indicative of CL or not, but I'd like to kill them tomorrow.

In other words: let's policy lynch two players because of their playstyle. Yes, they don't have the highest CL credit of all players and yes, we likely lose if neither of them is CL, but anyway, let's do it!

No, this is not a policy because of your playstyle. You and Obvious are acting like jesters and actively making the game unreadable—not to mention, your play will

undoubtedly

draw the tracker/cop onto whichever one of you survives tonight. In what universe does a townie decide to do this? None. In what universe does scum decide to do this? Many. Therefore, you are scum, and you must die. I'm not arguing this any further.

We lynch Blatant today, and Obvious tomorrow.

Additionally Blatant, cult can only have a max of three. We'd go into a D3 MyLo with the Cop getting a free clear if they're not recruited, and if it's a tracker, it's eh.

I don't get it.
Why would town investigators target these two?

[shos]

I have my personal reasons for wanting to lynch those being checked by cop/tracker, but also, it simplifies their play a lot. If I'm the cop, and I have two people I need to check, I will want one of them dead so I can see what they are without having to waste my night. Likewise, if I'm tracker, it means I don't have to waste a night—possibly not see the CL—and get a clear that way.

Pedit: Jingle is going to run an open where I'm a treestumped CL. You wanna see a world where scum plays jestery as fuck? Play/watch that game, because you're going to see exactly how I can derail a game as treestumped scum.

I don't understand this too

[shos]

I went to go find my reads from a Jingle's game, and D1, I was scumreading shos, who was town at that point. I'm willing to operate under the assumption for today that shos is actually town, and me scumreading him means he's town.

No. shos lynch isn't happening today.

Weren't you scumreading me?
Also I'm a leading wagon which you don't seem to fight, lol

Are you scum Korina? Did you do your job earlier to get the votes and now you distance yourself from a mislynch?

[shos]

2) I believe shos is currently town

please do say, when did this begin?

[shos]

Poyzin, my piazza, could we get a reads list from you?

+1000
That's like +1 but with lots and lots of heart

[shos]

You guys are talking about me and I don't understand shit of what you're saying
I'ma go check other games

[shos]

You aren't really reading the thread, are you?
VOTE: Kanna
So easy
Hectic and I have been talking about this for many posts

Why is it scum-indicative for Kanna to not be reading the thread/missing things?

We've literally talked abou this so much that I remember it. Not reading the thread is extremely scum-indicative, because you don't need to really know what's in it as long as it doesn't concern you.

[shos]

also, theory: team is shos/fark

morning
admittedly I always wanted to havea partner who can cooperate in 100% bussing from gamestart

this iant it tho

[shos]

Sup guys sorry for the inactivity of late I had a terrible two-days and now it's weekend so I can breath
catcdhing p

[shos]

Towncore:

Bingle
shos
Kori

Probs not CL because of the ease with which their wagons popped up:
Blatant
Farkran

Don't want to lynch on angleshooty replacing out of a cult game via lurking implies not cult reasons:
Obv

Poyz, Hectic, Kanna all seem like fine lynches. I'd compromise on any of the three, but atm I actually think I prefer Kanna. Sheeping me onto Shos feels like letting a high charisma player get a mislynch and the blame for said mislynch.

A farkran wagon popped up? what? where? when?
iirc I was the ONLY one pushing for a farkran lynch and it didn't succeed much. at all.

[shos]

I’m the Town Rolestopper and I was trying to not attract too much attention. That didn’t work out well.

This is a false claim, I officially CC this
VOTE: Poyzin

[shos]

Adjusting my lynchpool to {bingle > shos > BS = korina} in that specific order

VOTE: bingle

I know you are scumreading me and I am scumreading you and stuff, but have you actually *READ* the thing that bingle did trying to sort me? If you did, could you please summarize it for me, ya know, just to show? and then explain how the fuck do you think bingle is still town?

[shos]

Fuck it, with Poyzin claiming, I feel like I should claim this as well:
I'm Tracker. Poyzin goes on me tonight, and he'll obviously get culted. Setup is B3. Poyzin isn't the lynch for tomorrow.

We don't lynch Poyzin, Myself, Fark, Hectic, Kanna today. We lynch Blatant, Obvious, Bingle, Shos.
I check one of those we don't lynch.

Shouldn't have claimed. That was a scum lure.
Now that it's out,

I am a friendly neighbour

, no point in hiding anymore

[shos]

That means we lynch Poyzin who is porbably a rolecop (if CL it's amazing and autowin), and then cult will probably target one of us. either you get a track that can conf-not-CL someone, or I get to confirm myself as town for tomorrow

[shos]

Actually even if I am culted tonight I'll confirm myself
...perhaps I should start working for cult..... T_T

[shos]

ahh damnit I dunno if I should keep doing the catchup lol

[shos]

OK yes I should
because I'm not a real power so being an IC or a...reverse-IC?...(recruited cult) doesn't benefit the cultteam so they'd just recruit someone else. But Korina surely will get culted because they have power to not-CL-cop someone if they stay town.

[shos]

There's wayyyyyy too much wifom in this setup

[shos]

The rest of p23 is setupspec-based discussion with a wrong setup so nothing to do there

[shos]

ObvScum looks meh. His questions to Bingle are shallow. Bingle is supremely townie, btw.

[shos]

Call it gut, but I'm thinking sh0s is lot more likely to flip CL than Bingle. The "fake" townslips are a lot more useful to pull as a CL, and Bangle really hasn't felt like he's playing like a CL recently. If he's scum, it's likely with sh0s as his leader in the way he set that daychat case up and then revealed it was completely invalid - it's a strange strat that both distances from your buddy while actually not making them look scummy upon the revelation, and might even give them a psychological "boost" in towniness when you reveal the case was a ploy. Kanna trying to break our pseudo-mason pact is interesting, but paranoia is slightly town-indicative when scum!her doesn't really have any reason to cast suspicious on me at this late stage of the day - knowing I'm not really a viable mislynch. Now's not the time, but I'd like to hear what you've found different in my solving/tone on D2, Kanna.

I just facepalmed myself so hard I'm p sure my nose is broken in 3 different places and my eye is bleeding

[shos]

Bingle/shos as a team makes sense considering the skill level involved.

I'd take this as a compliment lol
but it's only Bingle who is responsible for that trick. Credit where credit is due

[shos]

Seriously if you read page 25 I don't see how on earth you can call Bingle scum

[shos]

I’m more sure that Blatant is a cultist than I am sure that Bingle is a CL. Bingle is my closest guess for CL, but my read there is weak. Blatant I’m much more sure is a cultist, but lynching a cultist isn’t as beneficial as lynching the CL. Better than nothing though.

Just to make sure I don’t forget during my spotty activity.

VOTE: Bingle

I'm just gona lol at this

annnnnd I'm done catching up (also showering ^_^)

[shos]

sh0s, why would you vote Poyzin?

Cult etc
off chance it is CL, I know, but still it keeps the cult leader alone and with both PR claims out we will have much easier day tomorrow. It is likely Korina will be culted, so I sincerely hope we get the CL tomorrow

[shos]

VOTE: poyzin
I don't think I need to talk today at all

[shos]

Also I can't believe you lynched bingle while I was sleeping when I directly Cc'd poyzin

[shos]

There's no point in waiting for Korina, my assumption is that he's been culted tonight by default

[shos]

sorry for the delay i'll be phoneposting soon. targeted nobody tonight

[shos]

It appears I do need to talk lol
Ooooobvscum, why the hectic vote? Hectic, why is my night action "pivotal info"?

[shos]

okay why does CL set himself up for a 1v1 mechanical cross-claim unless he's playing 4D chess and wants to come off as a jestery culted?

He didn't get lynched right? Do you intend to Lynch him? No?
That's exactly the kind of wifom cult will play at 100% of the time

[shos]

The only FACTS we have so far are:

1) Korina is a tracker
2) Poyzin and shos were disaligned d1

There is no tracker in column C so we have to be in a column where there are 2 PRs. We have 2 claims and 1 counterclaim, therefore the not-counterclaimed PR must be true (korina), and the other two cannot be BOTH lying, otherwise we're missing a PR.

Out of shos vs poyzin, the only CL that makes logical sense is poyzin, because he was risking the lynch, shos wasn't. Shos is the one who might be playing the jestery CL, or a cultist wifoming to get a lynch on bingle followed by a lynch on poyzin - but if poyzin was sincere, he must have been recruited last night, there's no need to gambit today's lynch when they could just replace him. I am voting poyzin because i am pretty much certain of hitting cult, with a good chance of hitting the CL.

+1.
Consider bingles Lynch. He was being wagonned, he was at L-1, nobody was talking about me. You KNOW he wasn't the cult leader. So why would me-cult suddenly come and CC poy?

Also if it isn't clear yet korina is very very likely culted by now since I wasn't yet

[shos]

The point of waiting was to let cult!sh0s fakeclaim his FN onto one of his buddies, so he could get "confirmed", and implicate his buddy too. It's not likely but it's something sh0s could do if he thought we would believe him. You've made it explicitly clear that no one will though so there's no point now.

Just for the record
If I claimed to have FNed my cultbuddy/cultleader/new cult recruit, what would you think about it if it was confirmed?
For the record - let's say I say I FNed farkran and he confirms. What then? How bout obvscum? Blatantacum?

You are just biased by your D1 tunnel view

[shos]

If he wasn't cult he would have claimed in his first post to confirm korina

How would that have cleared korina? Au contraire, that would prove me town and thus confirm korina-culted.

[shos]

So today, we have sh0s and Poyzin as cult. With one other cultist/CL. Two hypothetical scenarios:

DAY 2: We're at 3 cult, 5 town. We mislynch.
DAY 3: We go to 3 cult, 4 town. We have to lynch exactly the CL, or we lose.

DAY 2: We're at 3 cult, 5 town. We lynch a cultist.
DAY 3: We go to 3 cult, 4 town. We have to lynch exactly the CL, or we lose.

So we never lynch Poyzin here, because he was a town rolestopper that was culted, since sh0s is a confirmed cultist who was fakeclaiming.

The question is, why does sh0s fakeclaim Friendly Neighbour there as regular cultist? It just doesn't make any sense to me, since Bongle flipped town. I'm seriously considering if CL!him knows we'll see it as a regular cultist claim, and get passed off a non-CL. If he's a regular cultist, all it does is possibly move the lynch AWAY from Bungle, and ensure we'll never lynch him or take his reads seriously, therefore making it easier for us to lynch the CL.

hint hint: he wasn't!
Now you're thinking.

[shos]

Out of shos vs poyzin, the only CL that makes logical sense is poyzin, because he was risking the lynch, shos wasn't. Shos is the one who might be playing the jestery CL, or a cultist wifoming to get a lynch on bingle followed by a lynch on poyzin - but if poyzin was sincere, he must have been recruited last night, there's no need to gambit today's lynch when they could just replace him. I am voting poyzin because i am pretty much certain of hitting cult, with a good chance of hitting the CL.

Poyzin is never the CL here. Because if Poyzin was cult/CL yesterday, he recruits Korina last night. sh0s would be town in this scenario and confirmable, and he would've claimed his target straight away. But he's obviously cult here.

Aaah I get it finally
Hectic is a cultist defending his master
That's why he's going balls to the walls

VOTE: poyzin

[shos]

shos what are your favorite cat pictures?

Google 'cat physics' images and pic the 6th entry

[shos]

:thinks:
Waited on korina? I live in Israel bro. I was asleep.

Also I didn't target anyone because I don't want to get culted. There's no point in getting conftown if immediately I become cult.

[shos]

So ah
It appears everyone is convinced that I am cult, but not cult leader, meaning I'm a rolecop.

Why does rolecop-shos counterclaim poyzin? When bingles is 1 second away from mislynch?

[shos]

@farkran especially

[shos]

Aaah I get it finally
Hectic is a cultist defending his master
That's why he's going balls to the walls

VOTE: poyzin

Bumping the truth I am looking at, btw.

[shos]

So ah
It appears everyone is convinced that I am cult, but not cult leader, meaning I'm a rolecop.

Why does rolecop-shos counterclaim poyzin? When bingles is 1 second away from mislynch?

Attempt to remove poyzin first so you could recruit korina. Worst case scenario, you get lynched but you don't care.

How does that help me?
Rolecop me could have just shut up. Town lynches bingles, leader recruits poyzin. Easy.
No more fear of korina because there are no more recruiting being done. If one cultist dies, korina is recruited.
Even better, I rolecop random townies so that korina tracks me, town thinks I am CL and lynches me, win-win for cult.

There is absolutely no reason for cult-shos to CC there.

[shos]

Unless I am cult leader, I guess, but nobody seems to think so lol so perhaps I'm a genius, let me know

[shos]

Instead of posting useless stuff like that, try to answer the question

[shos]

So ah
It appears everyone is convinced that I am cult, but not cult leader, meaning I'm a rolecop.

Why does rolecop-shos counterclaim poyzin? When bingles is 1 second away from mislynch?

Attempt to remove poyzin first so you could recruit korina. Worst case scenario, you get lynched but you don't care.

How does that help me?
Rolecop me could have just shut up. Town lynches bingles, leader recruits poyzin. Easy.
No more fear of korina because there are no more recruiting being done. If one cultist dies, korina is recruited.
Even better, I rolecop random townies so that korina tracks me, town thinks I am CL and lynches me, win-win for cult.

There is absolutely no reason for cult-shos to CC there.

Read the multiquote plz

[shos]

Alright I don't wanna work cuz I feel like shit and I have a pagetop here so I'll use it to get the message across

@everyone: please answer
Why would rolecop-shos counterclaim poyzin on D1, when bingles was at L-1 and you know he flipped town?

Shos was not a viable wagon.
Bingles was not his cult leader.

Rolecop-shos would coast under the radar; CL would cult poyzin the rolestopper; 3 cult undisturbed continuing the game. Rolecop-shos can then play some suicide move to get lynched, and korina will be recruited as well. 100% profit.

[shos]

I WAS ASLEEP DUDE
and it in no way prevents korina from tracking anyone, so I don't see your point

[shos]

And seriously check the clock in Israel, check my sitewide acticity..
This post was posted in 2am MS time.

There's no point in waiting for Korina, my assumption is that he's been culted tonight by default

The previous was posted in Jan 26, 2020 3:21 pm MS time. Guess where the hours between those went

[shos]

Sorry we're talking about the next post. That's 2am-8am, not before. The gap before is me kungfuing on Sunday

[shos]

Sorry to disappoint, but still town. Makes sense, who wouldn't recruit a Tracker.

[shos]

Farkran, you're literally ignoring the point I made. Perhaps you'll see that Kanna is already in agreement with me there. Get out of your tunnel.

[shos]

It's.....global almost-prod time!
When you ask a question nobody wants to answer you know you're doing well.

Vote poyzin guys.

[shos]

Oh yeah, sh0s is still confirmed cultist, and I'm still strongly of the opinion that he was the cult rolecop yesterday You shouldn't take anything he says too seriously. It's all WIFOM.

Please answer the question.

[shos]

@everyone: please answer
Why would rolecop-shos counterclaim poyzin on D1, when bingles was at L-1 and you know he flipped town?

-So that you can make this argument now to throw us off. Aka WIFOM.
-To make us think you were protecting Bingle, so as to ensure our mislynch on him.
-You're a CL that could've been lynched the next day, so you fakeclaimed in a very unusual/unnecessary situation to project regular cultist.

I haven't disregarded the third point, but there's never any reason to lynch you today rather than tomorrow, since a sh0s!regular cultist flip tells us absolutely nothing, since we know he's confirmed cult. That's to think about tomorrow. You prompting us with your question so much is weird if you're CL, but everything you do right now is random and we're aware you could be trying to throw us off, so I'm not really using how you're acting now to base my read.

It'd be more fun if you openculted and started trolling us tbh.

I literally could just hammer bingle.
To throw you off me by making you focus on me? Have you been reading the same thread? Seriously?
And-- fakeclaim unprovoked in order to prevent a Lynch THE NEXT DAY? Like, I could really just mislynch bingle and recruit poyzin, korina would never track me ever, dude.

Also 'confirmed' - you keep using that word but I don't think you know what it means me. You cannot answer my question logically and thus you simply disregard my posts as random spam. I call BS.

[shos]

Possible CLs: {Farkran, ObviousScum, Hectic, Kanna, Poyzin, shos}
Farkran goes out because I don't think he would like to push my mislynch as CL.
Poyzin goes out because he claimed when Bingle was the leading wagoon. Also, his claim was risky.
Leaving {ObviousScum, Hectic, Kanna, shos}
If we lynch shos and he turns into rolecop, we know Kanna is town. Yes, Kanna could stay at home, but the chances are small.
VOTE: shos

The same thing can be said about me, and you voted me.

[shos]

Hectic stay online ill brb

[shos]

Shos, why target nobody?

@sh0s: Lul, you're confirmed, m8. You "forgot" to submit an action, and your opening posts today were scummy on their own anyway.

VOTE: poyzin
I don't think I need to talk today at all

In what world do you think you don't need to "talk today at all"

Answers immediately, I'ma grab something to eat and do some stuff I need to - stay online you two

[shos]

Egh shit. I wrote a really long post with analysis of all the cases but I simply made a mistake, in that I get conftowned even if I don't use my ability because of the PR.

[shos]

I guess it doesn't matter much though, we'll have to lynch either me or poyzin eventually, and since of the two of us poyzin is the only one who can actually be CL, that has to be the lynch today.

From your POV:
if he flips cultist (leader) autowin
if he flips cultist (normal) then you know he just got recruited and that I am cult rolecop, meaning that Korina's result is true and I am to be forever ignored.
if he flips cultist (rolecop) then you know korina just got recruited and that I am conftown (for now) and the CL is in the pool of the others.
if he flips town RS then I'm cult rolecop and....CL is ballsy? and Korina's result is true again because poyzin was supposed to target Korina.

I don't think there are any more theoretical options from your POV.
on the other hand if you lynch me right now:
if I flip cultist (rolecop) then Korina's result is true
if I flip FN then we're extremely fucked because Korina is cult, her result is bullshit, and you STILL don't know if poyzin is CL or not


Poyzin simply has to go, and the sooner the better

[shos]

Stop fucking ignoring me that pisses me off

[shos]

Alright I don't wanna work cuz I feel like shit and I have a pagetop here so I'll use it to get the message across

@everyone: please answer
Why would rolecop-shos counterclaim poyzin on D1, when bingles was at L-1 and you know he flipped town?

Shos was not a viable wagon.
Bingles was not his cult leader.

Rolecop-shos would coast under the radar; CL would cult poyzin the rolestopper; 3 cult undisturbed continuing the game. Rolecop-shos can then play some suicide move to get lynched, and korina will be recruited as well. 100% profit.

@obvscum
Answer appreciated

[shos]

Basically, shos' play yesterday with the knowledge Bingle isn't CL is really agendaless so he is probably the real FN. He scumclaimed today, pretty sure. The rest is up in the air but IMO it's still Farkran.

Okay, I finally understand why you all think I got culted lol why didn't I get it earlier

But uh
I wasn't culted yet. P sure korina was. Would be stupid not to recruit a tracker.

[shos]

Regardless though, cult should not risk recruiting shos over korina. There's no benefit in doing that, only harm. And this is the reason why poyzin was town and shos was cult, which clears all people i mentioned in 962.

I don't understand your logic. It sounds circlish.
You say that cult recruited korina over shos. But shos is cult, so he must have been cult before because he's not tonight's recruit, therefore poyzin is town and shos was cult?

This means...
Assuming shos is cult, the result is that shos is cult

O.o??

[shos]

Derail what

[shos]

Nobody’s going to believe me but cult completely big-brained it and didn’t recruit me last night. I wasn’t paying attention to the start of the new day because I assumed I’d be culted, but imagine this. There are now 3 cultists. I am suddenly unnecessary, because there is nobody for me to rolestop as the cultists are maxed. If we kill a cultist here, then suddenly I’m useful. But I basically am a VT while there are still three cultists alive, and basically a negative utility to the tracker. I will not be performing an action tonight.

LOL
And they say *I* scum claimed. Hilarious.

[shos]

Poyzin requested to be replaced.
Not A Korina Alt has been prodded.

Cultist & cultee.

Poyzin slot has to go. Korina slot will stay an openwolf forever.

[shos]

Hectic did I wrong you somehow, you've been practically attacking me the ENTIRE GAME.

[shos]

Not_Cult Leader probably wants to instant hammer L-1 towns, right?

intent to put Farkran on L-1

that's... a VERY good point actually

NO LYNCH IS EITHER TOWN OR CULT LEADER

SH0S

THIS IS ACCEPTABLE

Kanna's a very slight townlean so far. Poyzin's entrance seems to be NAI for

reasons

, but I WANNA HEAR MORE FROM YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE AMAZING, POYZIN

I haven't liked what "Korina" chose to comment on when there were other more interesting things, but I agree his tone is very different to last time I played with him where he actually rolled cult

Bingle... i need to see more

SH0S

VOTE: sh0s

Practically against me since my fifth post

[shos]

Sorry ignore 45

[shos]

@everyone: please answer
Why would rolecop-shos counterclaim poyzin on D1, when bingles was at L-1 and you know he flipped town?

-So that you can make this argument now to throw us off. Aka WIFOM.
-To make us think you were protecting Bingle, so as to ensure our mislynch on him.
-You're a CL that could've been lynched the next day, so you fakeclaimed in a very unusual/unnecessary situation to project regular cultist.

I haven't disregarded the third point, but there's never any reason to lynch you today rather than tomorrow, since a sh0s!regular cultist flip tells us absolutely nothing, since we know he's confirmed cult. That's to think about tomorrow. You prompting us with your question so much is weird if you're CL, but everything you do right now is random and we're aware you could be trying to throw us off, so I'm not really using how you're acting now to base my read.

It'd be more fun if you openculted and started trolling us tbh.

And you seriously believe yourself here. for realz.

[shos]

I mean really I'll try

Theory 1

shos is a rolecop
Bingle is at L-1. Deadline is in less than 20 hours. No other wagon is viable, nobody even talks about shos. Shos CCs a claimed town PR in order to make people think he is protecting Bingle so that town will mislynch him.
Last D1 VC before the lynch:

Vote Count 1.09

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Bingle

(3): Farkran, Poyzin, Not A Korina Alt,

Poyzin

(2): shos, Kanna,

Kanna

(2): Bingle, Blatant Scum,

Farkran

(1): ObviousScum,

shos

(0):

Blatant Scum

(0):

ObviousScum

(0):

Hectic

(0):

Not A Korina Alt

(0):

Not Voting

(1): Hectic,

---

Spoiler: Votes since last votecount not reflected above

ObviousScum.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-01-24 12:00:00).

Mod notes:

Not A Korina Alt has v/la on weekends
Less then 24 hours left. Lynches are COMPULSIVE, which means that after (expired on 2020-01-24 12:00:00) person with the highest number of votes will be lynched, even if majority is not achieved.

Shos is really in danger, because Bingle, Kanna and Poyzin are leading wagons

I'm convinced

[shos]

So Farkran, were you trying to bait someone into putting you on L-1?

I was expecting to see a vote, yes. On the account of "verifying if i was being honest", to be specific. I had hoped it would come from hidden cult, because i honestly think my wagon is currently full town.

But does that not let confirmed-cult!sh0s hammer you if you're town? Why would you risk the possibility of town voting you since they found that statement scummy and wanted to test it, which allows sh0s to sweep in?

Because i wouldn't care. I think the wagon is already full town, so the person putting me at L-1, unless it was poyzin or shos themselves, was likely going to be the hidden scum. It could have been you or BS.

Besides, i just realized that pozyin and shos could have quickhammered without help from anyone when i was L-3... hmmm...

I mean L-2, aka 3 votes

I mean it *is* possible we're not cult together, right? like I've been saying a zillion times

[shos]

Theory 2

shos is a rolecop
Bingle is at L-1. Deadline is in less than 20 hours. No other wagon is viable, nobody even talks about shos. Shos CCs a claimed town PR in order to be able to later say that cult-shos wouldn't CC poyzin.

Honestly I don't even know what to say. In hebrew there's s phrase that says literally "on top of the thief, the hat burns". sort of like liar liar pants on fire. Do you even understand how ridiculous this argument is

[shos]

This... doesn't really change anything from a solve standpoint, but there is the possibility that cult dodged the poyzin recruit in favor of obvious scum.

That's a good point; we should actually be avoiding L-2 until we're sure about who we want to lynch.

not L-3?

[shos]

Theory 3

shos is a CL that could've been lynched the next day, so shos fakeclaims in a very unusual/unnecessary situation to project regular cultist.

Take a look at the D1 votecounts. You were on me the entire game until you moved to the mislynched Bingle. Apart from you, there was only Bingle, who late in his days had a strong, firm townread on me, based on his amazing cheat thing about the daytalk proof trick.

Also, for the record, if you think I am CL you should be voting me. So I'm pretty sure you don't believe this.

[shos]

Lul, I'd love for all 3 scum to quickhammer town on L-3, but that's not gonna happen. We know you and Poyzin, we don't know the third.

If cult quicklynch we get to 4-3, do you realize this
if you have no idea who the cult leader is, why wouldn't cult do that

[shos]

Also, for the record, if you think I am CL you should be voting me. So I'm pretty sure you don't believe this.

I haven't discounted it, but like I said before, there's no point lynching you today rather than tomorrow. A townflip would be better info than a rolecop!you flip.

Of course, but your theory only holds if I'm CL, if I am not mistaken? you literally said this.

If cult quicklynch we get to 4-3, do you realize this
if you have no idea who the cult leader is, why wouldn't cult do that

Because the 3rd person would unnecessarily confirm themselves as a cultist? And then we just have to pick right in you 3 after being able to examine interactions between you for the whole game.

lol based on the stupid bingle lynch I wouldn't be worried as CL lol

[shos]

Surprisingly, everything points to what I've been saying, Hectic. what a coincidence

[shos]

His replace out is very anti-CL-indicative too. CL is perfectly happy to be disregarded and ignored here, I think he's a frustrated recruit, rather than a CL throwing a free win away.

Not sure this is true at all.

Surprisingly, everything points to what I've been saying, Hectic. what a coincidence

Sure thing <3
Who would you recruit if you were cult, sh0s?

hmm.
Well Korina wouldn't have targetted me so I would go with the wifom and recruit someone random off the townies who nobody is even considering to lynch, so practically anyone who isn't BS, Poyzin or Korina. Probably you actually.

But that would be a completely different situation, because if I were scum then poyzin is a RS and korina tracker unCCed, with these conftowns it is dangerous to keep them both alive, so perhaps poyzin? I dunno it's a little hard to imagine the situation

[shos]

VOTE: Obvscum

[shos]

Well he's culted and confirmed so I kinda get him. I expect to be there tomorrow if poyzin isn't the leader :/

Hectic got me thinking and actually, Korina is not as confirmed as I had thought. I still think he is culted because of his play (compare D1, compare the latest cult game I played with him just a month ago). If the cult leader was sure he wasn't targeted, any of the remaining townies is a legit target. Cult are stuck at 3 so korina isn't quite a threat as it isn't an actual cop. For all so under this premise, we can test the option that:
1. Korina is town-->kannna isn't CL (or hasn't recruited)
2. one of [farkran, hectic, Kanna, obvscum] is the one who was culted, probably by another in that list (except Kanna).

I really cannot read obvscum, only his latest jumpy votes especially when we warned from quickhammers made me think he is cult attempting one. Pretty sure Hectic is not the CL, if he is then WOW brilliant play. I had a phase thinking it was farkran D1 and nothing in farkran suggests that he is NOT a CL, so this can be it. Kanna is basically korina dependent, but you'll never even consider my words before we see poyzins flip (or my flip). BS is non-existent in my mind, and can be CL but I see absolutely no resistance to his wagon so I really doubt he is the CL, especially in D2 where literally all the townies need to express their will to Lynch the CL for him to die.

My thoughts on the CL.

[shos]

Tldr:
CL is probably one of {poyzin, farkran, hectic}, to be lynched in that order of importance. I'll gladly lose to Hectic if it's him, actually

[shos]

Is there anyone who thinks a poyzin Lynch is bad, considering that everyone is scumreading him and nobody knows if he's a CL

[shos]

OS is playing very jester ish. That can be a very annoying cult leader as it is very hard to read. Who did he replace?

Spoiler: also

Micro cult needs something to threaten the cult other than town lynches

Some day i will mod a good cult game.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
I shall make a balanced cult micro!
After successfully making a micro multiball...

[shos]

Oh it's Sala
Useless.

[shos]

Possible CLs: {Farkran, ObviousScum, Hectic, Kanna, Poyzin, shos}
Farkran goes out because I don't think he would like to push my mislynch as CL.
Poyzin goes out because he claimed when Bingle was the leading wagoon. Also, his claim was risky.
Leaving {ObviousScum, Hectic, Kanna, shos}
If we lynch shos and he turns into rolecop, we know Kanna is town. Yes, Kanna could stay at home, but the chances are small.
VOTE: shos

The same thing can be said about me, and you voted me.

Which thing?

I claimed too when Bingle was the leading wagon. And you can't say my claim was not risky, can you?
poyzin and I are setup-wise perfectly symmetrical, and the only thing that differs us is that he *claimed* and I *COUNTER* claimed. So why are you voting me over him?

[shos]

Interactions between shos and BS do not make sense, really... BS, why is shos CL?

He is a possible CL. If he flips rolecop, it means that Kanna is also not a CL. That's why he is the best lynch.

Why am i not? Who do i push as mislynch if i am CL?

Me.

And what happens if I flip FN? That is very bad. And what if I flip CULTIST? that is practically the worst case scenario for town.

[shos]

Interactions between shos and BS do not make sense, really... BS, why is shos CL?

He is a possible CL. If he flips rolecop, it means that Kanna is also not a CL. That's why he is the best lynch.

Why am i not? Who do i push as mislynch if i am CL?

Me.

And what happens if I flip FN? That is very bad. And what if I flip CULTIST? that is practically the worst case scenario for town.

You're basically considering always only the case where I am a liar D1 unprovoked. Same as Hectic.

[shos]

DON'T LET SH0S DERAIL

Waiting on you, Bla. Obum, what's your read on me now?

CL
Kanna & shos

ObviousScum


Hectic
Farkran, Poyzin
not CL

!@#!@#$%@%^

the fuck did poyzin get to the bottom lawl

[shos]

WELP

gg guys
This was sooooo fucking hard
please do read the cult topic. Blatant, please read it too. You literally never contacted me even once to the point I asked the mod to PM you T_T

Honestly, the only thing I think I did wrong was to CC as FN. If I had CC'd JK, I would have been able to keep pulling shit on D2, but I didn't think that through. I just realized I *CANNOT* win if nobody counterclaims, so I did my best from the top of my head in the morning like a maniac and hoped it would be worth it. If you lynched poyzin D1, and THEN suspect me-protecting-bingle, it would have fucking worked. so close.

But since you did lynch bingle, we were doomed.

[shos]

Should have recruited hectic

[shos]

come on come on release the cult PT lol

[shos]

Some more credit where credit is due (for endgame): Farkran is a great player. 623 is good.

Hey thanks mate, lol. It's sad that it was used for a mislynch though, so... thanks, but if i was really great i would have got the CL

I don't believe this game was one of my best performances, unfortunately. I scumreaded a town PR, got him to claim, mislynched town and was almost mislynched by town. I have been lucky that 1. We had rolestopper and tracker, so that the CL has been scared into not recruiting; 2. We got the CL right d2. Otherwise this would have been a huge mess and almost certainly a town loss. Your counterclaim to poyzin was very good too imo, it just came at a wrong timing - faking a defense of bingle was good short-term, but counterclaiming poyzin earlier would probably have led to an actual poyzin lynch instead of bingle, which would have been better long-term.

I WAS ASLEEP GUYZ