Open 770: Fusion Mafia - Game Over!

[profii]

Hello everyone

[profii]

That's what I thought

[profii]

I'm a tragic lover help me

[profii]

VOTE: saudade

[profii]

I'm a tragic lover help me

Obvz

[profii]

hopkirk and hectic are you 2 the guys that know each other IRL?

[profii]

For anyone else: Ignored+scumhunting vs cheerful+no scumhunting. Scum avoiding making enemies.

with that in mind, thoughts on 23 ?

[profii]

HOW DO WE BREAK THIS SETUP

It's actually an interesting point to think about.
All being well at some point the scum team are going to pair us all up as per their choosing.

But that means they are also going to be a pair, so if I was scum it would massively concern me that if I am coming over a bit scummy, and my partners aren't strong scum players, you end up with this really scummy pairing that gets lynched really fast and you're toast straight away.

So if I'm scum the first thing I'm doing is probably working out the optimum long game in terms of do I bus? do I buddy my pal?

I guess you'd need to have some kind of back story as to why you think scum have paired you up with your lover so I'd be planning that now if I was scum just in case we get a fast scum lynch - but I dunno what I'd be going for.

[profii]

Dunn locktown.

Talk me through this, I was actually thinking the opposite.

[profii]

maybe not as strong as lock-scum but there is a huge wagon on saudade and dunn just pops in with an rvs and leaves

kinda feels like he doesnt want to get involved in anything else, specific concern regarding that wagon as i mention - but i feel like dunn felt obliged to get his name in the thread, so wonder if he will come back soon and talk to us or if he will try and come back without having to comment on the saudade wagon properly at all.

so we should keep the heat on saudade to force the issue

[profii]

What issue are you trying to force

Dunn needs to comment on your wagon

[profii]

so we should keep the heat on saudade to force the issue

Don't really get this though. Keeping the heat on Saudude doesn't force Dun to comment on the wagon. Isn't simply asking Dunnst for his opinion a more practical way of forcing the issue?

Seems like a lousy reason to ask people to keep voting for Saudude, Profii.

You are right, you can just ask

2 further points though

1. When there are lots of posts, sporadic posters, i.e. someone who has only posted once so far tend not to methodically answer all questions asked of them and I am curious
2. Separate bonus of maintaining impetus on wagons means you see who is in favour or against certain players. I'm not going to go as far as saying you don't want to vote Saudade because you just want to follow me but these are the sorts of things we can derive if we keep going
So yes I was trying to keep the Saudade wagon going for not totally clear reasons

[profii]

Sure, that makes more sense. You made it sound like your sole reason for wanting people to continue voting for Saudude was to force the issue with Dunn, but I'll take your word on point 2 being your other intention.

VOTE: Dunns

If you say 2 it detracts from 1

[profii]

@hopkirk / 137 - it was more the way Dunn just did a RVS and left which stood out. I'd have to look at other players more closely to see who is on the wagon / not commenting etc. Maybe when I'm not phone posting

[profii]

Well i got hammered, thanks

So will u admit we got balls now amirite

[profii]

After spending an extremely large number of seconds (over 3) I have decided on joining this lovely wagon of minstrels.
(vote)Saudade(/vote)

Anyway
No one seems to have any hesitation voting saudade so time to move vote
VOTE: Dunnst

[profii]

No idea why that post quoted must have caught the button

[profii]

The ones that voted Saudade
Profii
Elements
Hectic
Edguf
Norge (L-2)
(Hectic off)
Flopz
(Profii off)

The question is do we think scum joined the lol-wagon ? Or do we think they stayed away to avoid a contentious scenario?

Thoughts please

[profii]

The ones that voted Saudade
Profii
Elements
Hectic
Edguf
Norge (L-2)
(Hectic off)
Flopz
(Profii off)

The question is do we think scum joined the lol-wagon ? Or do we think they stayed away to avoid a contentious scenario?

Thoughts please

I think they didn't want to bus so early

So you think the saudade wagon is a scum wagon with 2 bussers retreating rather than it being a town wagon that got to L-2 because scum jumped on fast?

[profii]

that is what i was implying in that post yes

I'm asking why you lean that way and not the other

[profii]

I hadn't really considered this really specific element of the setup so I think the logical solution is if we lynch scum on day 1 (now) it leaves 12 so the pairing must happen immediately

There is no doctor or anything that can stop a night kill so any time we lynch the scum the pairing had to happen pre-night kill to keep it right


The reason I asked about the setup spec is I was wondering about consensus town reads - let's say SlotX was universally town read - they are basically never getting lynched so scum have to consider

1. Do we just write them off and match SlotX to (who they think) is next most town read and just assume that slot is never getting lynched

Or

2. Do they take a gamble that they match SlotX to someone questionable and the risk is SlotX's town read means we lock town someone questionable or if it goes in scums favour, someone questionable is scummy enough to get us voting for SlotX who we previously wouldn't have touched- it's a gamble imo


Anyway... we have 13 players so let's say we hit scum - we go to 6 pairings

I would suggest we should maybe say openly
"I have X amount of strong town reads"

If the number is = or greater than the number of pairs we should definitely state who

Let's say we all had approx 6 town roads, its logical they will be vastly similar - say 4 - scum would potentially have to make 2x pair lock town and write that off or split 4+ clear townies across the game

If we all could only drum up 2x town reads out of 12 players- I think it's more unlikely they would be universal across the group and then it would be advantage scum to know this

Dunno, that might be flawed logic as it was off the top of my head but see what people think

[profii]

I think people underrate/underuse that skill you reference is for fear of not appearing to the wider group as an active scum hunter - even though the action can be illogical/damaging to town, it follows a convention that makes people feel safe

This is probably the right time to challenge that

[profii]

I think you aren't fully considering people's ability to do the wrong thing for self preservation but that's just my perspective on this issue

[profii]

Also, profii is a multi-dimensional being, and Hopkirk has put on his disguise kit.

Aww usually people dont notice

(I've no idea what this means)

[profii]

I'm obviously a multi-voter.

[profii]

But I just want 1 vote for now UNVOTE: Saudade

VOTE: Dunnst

[profii]

I mostly interested if people feel that way or not

[profii]

Keen to lynch saudade are we?

[profii]

I'm going to look through all the ISOs tomorrow morning, I'd do it now but I'm sleepy and I am not looking forward to giving serious thought to the large amount of fluff posting in this thread so I will put it off 12 hours or so

[profii]

So what have we got here, I am just going to say the thing that stands out most about each slot - it might be a read, or a question or just an observation for other people to comment on... just get my thoughts out there:

Aisa - notably Aisa has picked up on a scum read with Flopz, but hasn't really explored many other slots in anywhere near as significant detail.

Dunnstral - I was all ready to be like 'dunnstral needs to post more' but actually 393 i liked so I'm on with dunnst for now.

Egduf - post more

Elements - anyone else find elements tough to read?

Flopz - comes across as really kinda self conscious, kinda bothered about peoples opinions of him, which could be scummy.

Gamma - i liked the theory in 111 so town for now here.

George - latching on to the dunn-vote-for-lack-of-activity thing. This could be scummy, i.e. just getting in a safe/non-controversial way of posting in the thread kinda vibe

Hectic - I think his reads are largely matching the thinking I'm coming up with so far so I'll lean town

Hopkirk - i feel the same way as hectic but not as strongly

Norgey boy - has some careful opinions I think so this could be scummy but I'm not so sure

Pops - seems quite town and looking at the right slots for lynches imo

Saudade - I've never played with him as scum and he has a play style that is so easy to reproduce so i have no idea

[profii]

I'd like to vote flopz or george for now but I'll wait for a VC

[profii]

To slightly answer your question, my meta read was based on a faulty premise so it's not valid anymore.

So where is your thinking at now

[profii]

I think he is still saying he doesn't like your vote move from saudade to dunn in 393

[profii]

Where has Saudade gone ?

[profii]

Before you fall asleep who is scum here

[profii]

Hi new players (yay)

[profii]

The ones that voted Saudade
Profii
Elements
Hectic
Edguf
Norge (L-2)
(Hectic off)
Flopz
(Profii off)

The question is do we think scum joined the lol-wagon ? Or do we think they stayed away to avoid a contentious scenario?

Thoughts please

Youre approaching the wagon from the wrong direction. Dont ask 'who is the scum on this' or 'did scum vote this'

ask instead 'whose vote looks weaksauce' and then compare it to the available evidence.

Profi looked average
ele looked weak
I dont remember the rest.

they sound like 2 identical questions to me but ok

[profii]

It's '0 blame if it goes wrong and no way to argue against it' meta.

are you looking to avoid blame?

[profii]

It's '0 blame if it goes wrong and no way to argue against it' meta.

are you looking to avoid blame?

Have you noticed I'm not voting the slot and am debating with people who are?

No I'm completely lost by all the replaces at the moment I dont know who is who right now

[profii]

ask me stuff

[profii]

ask me stuff

If you could change one thing about the human race, what would it be?

we get wings

[profii]

Doesn't explicitly rule out a nightkill that night.

Yeah, so it sounds like if we get scum D1, the best Maf can do is get an NK N1.

Would George fake not knowing that scum dont get a nk when we lynch scum? It's hard for me to say because I tend to check these things but I think scum would be aware of that via any discussion in their PT

I'm going to lean town on George for this post alone.

[profii]

The original setup is ambiguous about whether scum get just 1 more kill or no more kills. I was wondering about it too.

That's the point - scum can openly discuss it in the PM and come to the conclusion that Norge just posted

So the doubt is town indicative imo

That being said, understanding isn't scum indicative, just says you've read the setup and thought about it

[profii]

Wasn't much of a fan of Frank

Can you tell me more about this read please

[profii]

Happy new year people:-)

[profii]

Olé!

[profii]

VOTE: flopz
I just remain unconvinced flopz is town when I read posts from you. I can go into it more when I'm less hungover (and I've fully worked out which posts I've missed by posting happy new year at 3am last night ha ha )

[profii]

Can someone summarise the Pisskop wagon for me please?

[profii]

Profii, when are you gonna out me for occasionally frequenting a Mongolian underwater basket-weaving forum?

Well I'm probably not because I didn't realise my vote on you was total vanity so it seems like a waste of time to follow up on that right now.

I kinda feel like nothing is really happening in this game which seems like a sign that scum aren't concerned with our trajectory right now = which therefore means we are voting town.

I dont know if that means one of the active players in the thread have sent us onto town wagons and scum are just like 'lolol' or the active players are the scum players sending us towards townies

i just feel like we aren't close to catching scum but idk its a guess

[profii]

we've played together once before haven't we ankamius?

[profii]

Im voting dunn out of survivalism, but a redflip there makes you that guy who rallied to save him.

I dont like posts that assertively describe the redflip scenario without considering the greenflip scenario.

It's like you know it's going to be a green flip and you dont want to talk about it

[profii]

Okay, if dunn is green then we have to assess the wagon.

Who is the one pushing dunn again?

so your assessment of the redflip wagon was I was defending dunn, but you haven't done a green flip assesment

you say you are voting for self preservation but from what you are posting you seem to have red flip on the forefront of your thoughts

why is that?

[profii]

Im voting dunn out of survivalism, but a redflip there makes you that guy who rallied to save him.

I haven't really decided on my vote but you are being suggestive with the 2nd sentence here, even though there are like 4 people on a competing wagon - either way you have considered the scenario of Dunn flipping red, even though you dont think it will happen...

Im openly saying that Im unconvinced dunn is scum, however my vote is where the money is.

...as per here

Okay, if dunn is green then we have to assess the wagon.

Who is the one pushing dunn again?

so if you think dunn will flip green, as per sentence one, you haven't done any assessment of the wagon here to say 'look, voter X is really bad, this is the real scum' which I'd expect you to at least say from a survivalist perspective, even if you hold your vote until people are listening to you.

I feel like I just dont believe you are sincere.

VOTE: Pisskop

[profii]

I didnt ask you to do anything, I pointed out you didnt do it, then you did it, which comes over like you are trying to appease me.

[profii]

Im voting dunn out of survivalism, but a redflip there makes you that guy who rallied to save him.

I dont like posts that assertively describe the redflip scenario without considering the greenflip scenario.

It's like you know it's going to be a green flip and you dont want to talk about it

Okay, if dunn is green then we have to assess the wagon.

Who is the one pushing dunn again?

[profii]

Masterful

well now you are overselling it but ok

[profii]

Why isn't George the low hanging fruit that scum are guiding us towards ?

[profii]

Votecount 1.7

(6) pisskop

- (ofrhz, Ankamius, Gamma Emerald, Hopkirk, profii, pisskop)

(L-1)

(4) Dunnstral

- (GeorgeBailey, NorwegianboyEE, Elements, Flopz)

(3) GeorgeBailey

- (popsofctown, Dunnstral, Hectic)

Everyone is voting.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-01-08 01:19:00)

If both leading wagons sit on 6 at deadline, does the one that got their first "win" ?

[profii]

Is team mafia taking it’s toll on the activity of this game?

Are you scum?

[profii]

Is team mafia taking it’s toll on the activity of this game?

Are you scum?

Am i?

a town player would be able to say no in good conscience imo so yep you are scum

[profii]

Is team mafia taking it’s toll on the activity of this game?

Are you scum?

Am i?

a town player would be able to say no in good conscience imo so yep you are scum

seems legit
VOTE: norway

VOTE: norway

Let's do this
VOTE: norway

[profii]

Looks like we have caught scum here guys. Norway still hasn't denied he is scum

Bang to rights, get on it!

[profii]

Why are you focused on Dunn?

I think he's still a pretty good vote right now. Between Dunn, and Hectic. And a small scum read on Elements

Oh my.

Hello fine mafia playing patrons, can I interest you in a fine Norway wagon?

[profii]

Does anyone townread Profii?

When you help us lynch norway, his scum flip will prove my town-ship-ness.

Get on it squire

[profii]

This feels like the Saudade wagon all over again

Ignore that silly sausage and help us remove norway the scum!!

[profii]

Is team mafia taking it’s toll on the activity of this game?

Are you scum?

Am i?

a town player would be able to say no in good conscience imo so yep you are scum

I am telling you guys.... he still wont do it

[profii]

alright see you all after I have a nice session of passing out

Do not pass up on this opportunity to get in on this wagon action

Go go go

[profii]

profii

just a thought exercise, what do you think will happen if norwegianee flips town and you die n1

This will not happen

Please explain your reluctance to join this fine wagon

[profii]

Fool. The only people you should fear are the scum who smile, laugh, stare you deep into the eyes and say "i love you", but deep inside their rotten souls is a wicked selfish creature that loathes townies. Then when you fully trust them they stab a knife deep in your back, straight into your soul. As you lay there dying you can only look up at them lulling you to sleep and closing your eyes, still carrying the same friendly facial expression.
You are basically allowing these types of people to infiltrate us with your blatant and biased case. Am i scum for refusing to participate in your rigged test?! Or are YOU?! Which is it PROFII?
I rest my case.

I do not fear the scum, for you are caught! My case is certainly blatant but there is no bias, because I am town and you are scum. Die scum die!!!

[profii]

profii

just a thought exercise, what do you think will happen if norwegianee flips town and you die n1

I dont understand why I don't get left alive for being so destructive to town in that scenario

(Join the wagon!)

[profii]

Profii, i'm genuinely surprised. I didn't think you had what it took to become a shitposter.
But it was in you all along.

It's not shit posting when you are rounding up the town to lynch scum!!

[profii]

Getting all these wagons to L1 is going to make for some nice VCA later.

Hello sir
I see you are still not taking the fantastic opportunity of lynching scum norway yet
Can I address and alleviate any concerns you may have
Beat regards
Profii

[profii]

I'm not sure that I'm townreading profii anymore

Pops you should join me on the Norway wagon and together we can unite as town and conquer the scum!

[profii]

It's really starting to get to me. I might have to lynch Norway if he keeps saying it. I can probably only hold out for another twelve or thirteen suggestions that I vote. I hope Profii doesn't suggest it that many times or I could break.

Ok I see your issue and I hear you, if its persistence you want, persistence you will get. Here at LynchNorwayEnterprises we hear our customers and deliver on their needs

Vote Norway !!

[profii]

aggghh it's becoming so convincing

Good sir Hopkirk
Do be aware once we have enough uptake on the wagon there will be a special 'rationale' made know to friends of LynchNorwayEnterprises
But we are aware of co-conspirators of Norway remain among our midst and we must make sure we locate them ASAP as well so we will enlist as much help as possible first, then asses the resistance !!!

Vote norway!!!

[profii]

hopkirk and hectic are you 2 the guys that know each other IRL?

While in the process of looking at old posts I noticed I never answered this one. Well I did, but I'm sorry to say I made a joke instead of answering it seriously. I do know Hectic. I plan on being v/la tomorrow (not v/la since it'll only be a day) while seeing Hectic in person. Obvious this rule

Unless otherwise specified in your role PM or by me, you may not communicate outside of this thread while the game is running.

could somewhat complicate things. It's a shame that it doesn't restrict what we can't communicate to to 'things related to the game' but I understand where the mod is coming from and ultimately think it's a fair rule so we probably won't speak to each other directly.

You should find out if he has any planned trips to Norway coming up. This could be a vital clue

[profii]

I'm going to be honest and blunt

I think town literally loses if we don't get our shit together

today

Vote norway!

[profii]

I don't know if this is intended to be an distraction or what. But nothing productive seems to be happening.
@Profii
At what point between:
> Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:57 am <
to:
> Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:59 pm <
Did you start taking LSD?

The exact time I took "LynchScummyDudes" was
Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:19 am

I fear there wont be many in my time zone to get that joke

[profii]

Ok ok

Momentum for this excellent scum lynch opportunity has started to wane after the initial excitement so I will give everyone a titbit of insight to reinvigorate the efforts

There is a critical part of Norway's town game missing from this game

All will be revealed when we have some more votes... go go go!

[profii]

There is a critical part of Norway's town game missing from this game

Um okay. Are you basing this on the mini we had like ages ago? Or something else.

Indeed

[profii]

Who's a good vote outside of Flopz?

Norway!

[profii]

This is a very interesting change Profii but a welcome one nonetheless. Although your case is certainly well-reasoned I haven't been fully swayed yet.

Btw for the same reason as Hopkirk and Hectic I will not be particularly active tomorrow.

What bits about profii's case did you think were well reasoned?

I assume he was being sarcastic. Profii's case sucks/is a meme.

I think you will find I have a legit case and I've presented it as a meme.

Actually!

[profii]

ok, I've played a game with Norway before and we were both town. Norway was like super paranoid of pretty much anyone that scum read him through the whole game but he hasn't even flinched in this game.

I thought it was weird so I thought I'd have some fun with it, but that was all it was really.

[profii]

I still think I'm right though so vote Norway!

[profii]

Profii, you killed the game. Gj bud.

eh. town reads aplenty out of that episode

[profii]

There’s been so many attempts to redirect this wagon it seems likely mafia is trying to move it away from Dunn while he lurks.
I’m looking at Profii and you.

I wondered about that and 1 person from each of the leading wagons moved their votes after I started my thing.

I was going to see if that argument held any weight but I felt it didn't

But my perspective was I am town and no idea if dunn is scum or not - I dont recall playing with him so I feel like this inactivity read is probably on a par to my read on you (ie low quality)

FWIW I town read you and I doubt Dunn is scum also

[profii]

UNVOTE:

Think my vote was still on norway

[profii]

VOTE: flopz
I just remain unconvinced flopz is town when I read posts from you. I can go into it more when I'm less hungover (and I've fully worked out which posts I've missed by posting happy new year at 3am last night ha ha )

Profii, when are you gonna out me for occasionally frequenting a Mongolian underwater basket-weaving forum?

Well I'm probably not because I didn't realise my vote on you was total vanity so it seems like a waste of time to follow up on that right now.

I kinda feel like nothing is really happening in this game which seems like a sign that scum aren't concerned with our trajectory right now = which therefore means we are voting town.

I dont know if that means one of the active players in the thread have sent us onto town wagons and scum are just like 'lolol' or the active players are the scum players sending us towards townies

i just feel like we aren't close to catching scum but idk its a guess

VOTE: flopz

What ank is saying has been happening all game with Flopz

[profii]

This is a very interesting change Profii but a welcome one nonetheless. Although your case is certainly well-reasoned I haven't been fully swayed yet.

Btw for the same reason as Hopkirk and Hectic I will not be particularly active tomorrow.

Ok ok

Momentum for this excellent scum lynch opportunity has started to wane after the initial excitement so I will give everyone a titbit of insight to reinvigorate the efforts

There is a critical part of Norway's town game missing from this game

All will be revealed when we have some more votes... go go go!

Woah, that's pretty good. How many votes?

Note - flopz had no interest in why I was actually pushing norway

There was a lot of reactions that could be summarised as

"Come on profii, what's the actual reason for this dude"

Most of those reactions will be from town - a great scum player will probably fake it

But flopz is no where near

Admittedly flopz has carried this weird extra polite persona through the game but I think he is a good vote

[profii]

what's wrong with being polite?

nothing wrong being polite, but a polite persona is something different.

[profii]

I think it's just Profii and Ank (technically you through your vote but you haven't given any reasoning) who have outwardly stated such.

I have said you dont seem sincere and I said I didn't like your non-reaction to my Norway thing

So to say 2 slots are scum because they are openly working together to push you looks to me like you can see the pressure of an inevitable lynch and you are going through the motions as you approach the noose

Caught. Scum. Imo.

[profii]

Pops sending out a lot of Ank flattery. Just putting it out that... cant decide what it means

[profii]

As I stated before in the thread, this setup is strongly geared against infolynching.

I think we should lynch the player most likely to be scum and I think that might be you

. To the extent it's not you I don't think people will vote with me on a better guess

I'm not sure I feel strongly enough about flopz town

to oppose lynching there today.

Just to clarify pops is voting flopz.

The 2 bold statements look contradictory to me, the first 1 says flopz = most likely scum, the 2nd one seems to infer I have some town feelings towards you, but just a little bit.

There is another post from pops that say consider my vote on a number of slots - It initially struck me as LAMIST because this is plurality [sp?] so there is less requirement to offer your vote around - but then later on pops asked if this was a plurality game so maybe I'm just being paranoid.

IDK. Seemed fishy, thought I'd mention it

[profii]

VOTE: pops

if it's not just me...

[profii]

Yeah I'm lynching this.

That's discrimination against funposters.

I beg to differ

[profii]

I'd probably say pops has been unnerving me all game but those were some clear examples of the vibe I'm getting.

[profii]

I think on reflection of my Norge fun he came out looking town, I'm surprised the wagon has got this far so I can only imagine it's a counter wagon to Dunn
VOTE: Dunnstral

[profii]

I was clearly shit posting

[profii]

I mean I started with a genuine minor observation but I just ran with it to see the reactions from the whole group

[profii]

I'm wondering why scum were interested in killing Ank

[profii]

VOTE: hopkirk

[profii]

Why cant they both be town and scum are just taking advantage

[profii]

Have you ever seen me play as scum, period, though?

[profii]

My assessment of the proceedings is that obv Dunn = town, I think Norge is town too, Scum are just lol'ing because either way was a town lynch and now any notion that Norge is a counter wagon is probably a mix of misguided towns and some scum influence.

[profii]

I think I did a game of 3 word posts which annoyed everyone, so my next game I did in Haikus haha.

I guess you could call that erratic or memey if you wanted.

[profii]

I voted Hopkirk as a sort of knee jerk reaction to that principle. I am not at football training tonight so I'll have time to look at what is going on.

I dont know yet.

[profii]

I read norwee's iso and it didn't make me feel more scared about deadsheeping Ank

Do you think scum killed Ank because she was on the money with her reads?

[profii]

Ank probs died because she was obviously town?

So given that town dont know the game solve how do you feel about pops sheeping ank ?

[profii]

Ank probs died because she was obviously town?

So given that town dont know the game solve how do you feel about pops sheeping ank ?

That's hella sketch, tbh.

We take ank's reads into consideration but we shouldn't blindly sheep. What we do is use ank's reads to pressure wagon a player, ergo the norway wagon.

don't blame me
my hand was forced

Did you /in into Ether's thread?

I'm not sheeping Ank? I am querying why pops was sheeping- just like you said we shouldn't do?

[profii]

Sheeping a dead player for the sake of it is exactly what scum would do.

This is literally why I asked

[profii]

smaller games I feel tend to have more strategic kills

Again, exactly why I probed there

I have no idea why you seem to come to same conclusions as me yet vote me

[profii]

I'm really hesitant on the Norway Wagon, just because of the way Profii tried to force a wagon on the person. I'm just so pinged by the move. I wanna hear more from Profii.

Like what

[profii]

Did you get a strong scumread out of that?

I've already said no and bear in mind I could have hammered norge but openly said I thought he was town - I'm surprised to see that question

[profii]

You also keep pushing wagons, what are your reads?

@profii

I didn't think I had ?

You and norway are both town

Meant to catch up more yesterday but mrs profii didn't realise I wasnt at footy so she had work for me to do

I'll see if I can sneak in some time on this at work

[profii]

Only scum would have a reason to be afraid.

Noob strats.
What you gotta do is find a picture of a kitten or something, like Joey_ has. That will make it harder for other people to lynch you.

works for me

[profii]

@NorwegianboyEE:

Do you feel profii is town?

I'm wondering why scum were interested in killing Ank

* What was with that sudden bandwagon shift? Is there a reason why it wouldn't come off as suspicious to players who may be more familiar with the thread? Especially with Dunnstral being town? And the NK coming from the competing/original wagon?

@Norwee/Hectic:

What would it take for you to buss as scum? Hypothetically.

VOTE: hopkirk

Why? Also, do you townread any of the players that were on Norwee's wagon at the time of Dunn's townflip?

Why cant they both be town and scum are just taking advantage

Do you feel that NorwegianboyEE is town?

I missed this

I haven't really looked at the wagons because it was so tight

Imo norway is town so scum will probably be 2/1 rather than 3/0 across the wagons

Today has been set up as "oh norway must be the counter so let's just do that"

It just seems like a nice space for scum to hide in which is why I'm going back through the start of day 2 right now for answers

[profii]

Ok maybe profii is just town with really bad takes

If you want to jump in and game solve then go for it but let's wait until the end of the game until we start calling people bad...?

[profii]

It is unfortunately necessary for the transparency of my read progression to say things like this at times. Mafia is a sandpapery game, this is definitely attack the play not the player, etc. Sorry not sorry (but like, two more sorries, I would prefer I universe that I didn't feel obligated to play this way sometimes. But an additional not sorry).

I dont take it personally but I found that post awful because you didn't give a reason as to why my takes are bad

(See how I said your post was awful and then said why... that's what helps the game imo)

[profii]

Anyway i think

VOTE: hectic

Is the way

He pushes norway
He says the whole other wagon is town so I predict 1 = scum
He also is concerned with the pairing a bit too much

For me, I figure when I get a lover, i get a free IC so... who care who it is... its just a bonus... hectic is concerned with being paired to me which feels like he is just trying to plan the long term sequence of events

Town thinking should just be to find scum #1 and go from there imo

[profii]

I overlooked Looker being a non-voter. I missed that. Hmm

[profii]

I say we lynch Hectic, then Norway tomorrow

Why do you think lynching hectic, assuming he flips scum, leads us to scum!Norway?

[profii]

ofrhz has requested replacement. Deadline will be extended when one is found.

tempted to policy lynch this.

[profii]

Anyway i think

VOTE: hectic

Is the way

He pushes norway
He says the whole other wagon is town so I predict 1 = scum
He also is concerned with the pairing a bit too much

For me, I figure when I get a lover, i get a free IC so... who care who it is... its just a bonus... hectic is concerned with being paired to me which feels like he is just trying to plan the long term sequence of events

Town thinking should just be to find scum #1 and go from there imo

Profii, how do I convince you to lynch Norwee (who is probably scum) over me?
I was the first one out today to push and vote for Norwee. As scum, do I really want the kind of negative attention associated with flipping on my read and pushing someone from the outset like that? It'd be far safer to wait it out a little, let the Norwee wagon reform from the same candidates who scumread him yesterday, and then hop on later after being "convinced" of the reasons others have given.
But instead, because I'm town, I came out today with my honest thoughts while being transparent - not worried about appearances - and voted who I thought had the best chance of flipping scum. Note, I wasn't THAT sure about Norwee when I initially voted him, but his OMGUS and actions since have made me more confident on him.

In a plurality game why do you feel the need to get me to move over ?

[profii]

I wasn't in Ank's solve at the end of day 1... why do people keep sheeping Ank on a non-exist read? If you want to sheep her, sheep her on Norwee for the love of God.

George, how were Norwee and I bussing yesterday? We were actually townreading each other mostly for the entirety of yesterday, I don't understand how you got the impression we tried to bus each other but then decided to mislynch Dunnstr instead.

You come across particularly desperate not to get lynched

[profii]

Soz!

I've had a mad week at work and I'm back now... gonna catch up now

[profii]

Its george, george and flopz

If I'm wrong on one of them its pisskop, probably for george

[profii]

Idk what you do at this stage

I want to vote norway but in an open there are no claims soooooo what do I do?

[profii]

Sod it

VOTE: Norway

If I'm right we are doing the pair thing, if I'm wrong I'm the next lynch and scum just won

[profii]

it's nightless now isn't it so we get 2 goes at this right?

[profii]

I think on reflection of my Norge fun he came out looking town, I'm surprised the wagon has got this far so I can only imagine it's a counter wagon to Dunn
VOTE: Dunnstral

You were having fun with that? You are a sick person.

This post makes me lol now.

[profii]

Votecount 1.13

(7) Dunnstral

- (GeorgeBailey, Hectic, Elements, ofhrz, NorwegianboyEE, profii, pisskop)

LYNCH

(5) NorwegianboyEE

- (Ankamius, popsofctown, Hopkirk, Flopz, Dunnstral)

Looker is not voting.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved.

Votecount 2.3

(5) NorwegianboyEE

- Hectic, Hopkirk, popsofctown, Elements, Adorable

(L-1)

(6) Hectic

- Flopz, profii, NorwegianboyEE, GeorgeBailey, Looker, pisskop

(LYNCH)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-01-28 11:41:00).

Votecount 3.2

(5) NorwegianboyEE

- Elements, Flopz, Looker, popsofctown, profii

LYNCH

(1) Flopz

- NorwegianboyEE

(1) profii

- GeorgeBailey

Adorable and, pisskop, are not voting.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-02-03 11:41:00).

pisskop, profii, and Elements have been prodded.

I do not have thread lock access. Please do not post since this is a lynch. I will work with Amrun to verify if all slots want to be here at night. I see that profii responded to the prod already. It's my intention to have all slots here at night.

Also, I will run fast night. Please pm me (or scum post in your PT) for fast night. Fast night requires every spot's approval.

Night starts from when the next post goes through with the flip.

give me a min...

[profii]

The VCA is quite polarised so wonder if VCA will show anything obvious:

Player	Day 1	Day 2	Day 3
hi
hi

[profii]

lol ignore that I'll do it properly... /noob

[profii]

Player	Day 1	Day 2	Day 3
Pops	voted scum	voted scum	voted scum
Insomnia	voted town	voted scum	voted scum
George	voted town	voted town	voted living player
pisskop	voted town	voted town	non-voter
profii	voted town	voted town	voted scum
adorable	voted town	voted scum	non-voter
flopz	voted scum	voted town	voted scum
looker	non-voter	voted town	voted scum

[profii]

Profii why are you so town this game

It makes me doubt myself, why aren’t you mislynch bait

I'd say about 3 in 10 games i am super town and i cruise through the game without trying and the other 7 i either get lynched or i effort my way through on the brink of death every day *shrug*

[profii]

the VCA makes me think it's george/pisskop but i've pretty much forgot most this game i have to be honest

[profii]

how does lynching work

do we need 5 people to vote for 1 of the slots of 3 pairs to vote for 1 of the pairs ?

[profii]

The game was rigged so there could never be an odd number at point of pairing

[profii]

We are conferring right now

[profii]

I think you have to have some real co-ordination amongst the scum team to stand a chance of winning.

I can't believe I lol posted at Norgey boy for 1 minor thing and actually hit scum haha

[profii]

We toyed with lynching Norway for about 3 days... if we got him straight away would we have gone for pisskop/george quicker ?

[profii]

I was ok with the setup - like I knew what I was signing up for before I got involved.
I think scum did well to hang on so long before the pairings which I guess has got to be the priority

Once the pairings happened in my mind I was quite happy that scum was between George/Pisskop or the Flopz/Looker pairing - the problem was someone in the Pops/insomnia pairing said they were never lynching Looker so it was essential we finished the game right there.

It could have gone wrong quite easily

[profii]

PS I really want to see what Norway said in the scum thread when I started pushing him :p

[profii]

If i remember correctly i thought you were psychic and trying to break my mind or something.

perhaps I am

[profii]

can we get the scum PT pleeeeease?

[profii]

I was surprised I was considered for a kill a lot, until i could potentially get lynched.

I had a little break from mafia and I've been rubbish on most games since I came back but pleased to win :p