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Can I see some cases on people that aren't Looker or Jan. Actually even a case on me would be nice since I feel like no one has actually cased me.
I also feel like wake is town. His refusal to believe the mason claim cements it for me. Scum get nothing out it and just look bad to your average mafia player. Scum are better off conforming here and sucking masons (insert form of genitalia). I don't think wakes the type to take that risk.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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Day 1 and the fact i was pushing for her lynch over dunIn post 1941, skitter30 wrote:
Idk if it's a viable team, that's ehy i'm askingIn post 1938, Garmr wrote:
wait you think that's a viable team I get me and tic tac since we were jiving. But me and looker? you do know that's mariar slot right.In post 1933, skitter30 wrote:the mason claim is true
what do you think of a garmr/tictac/looker team?
It's more that i think i tr everyone else to some degree or another and you're the people who are left
Idk why should i think you/looker(mariar) are not a team?While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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Judging by the fact everyone you wanted to lynch so far is town and I'm town maria will flip scum.In post 1959, skitter30 wrote:Bleh i really dont think maria was scum thoWhile being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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Maybe you will have a better luck working with this.In post 1968, skitter30 wrote:I dont know how to make 3 of {creature, Jan, looker, tictac,} into a scumteam that makes senseWhile being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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You know gamma was coming around to town garmr and was going to push you day 2 right which was why I dug deeper into you also una.In post 1974, skitter30 wrote:Oh yeah i'm baffled by that too, tbh
I think it points to garmr because everyone else una was sr'ing i'm p sure is town and garmr has a history of nk'ing peoppe who sr him
Also why are you making up bs like this. Last game I lynched someone who null read me and then shot the vig. Also in another game where I was scum and you were town I was null with some townie posts according to you and I killed you night 1.
Can you not make up bullshit to try and justify a read or i'll remember this for the next game and use it to case you there.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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You know maybe scum thought una was a power role, maybe they wanted to frame you as you were being scum read by them. There's tons of what ifs.In post 1974, skitter30 wrote:Oh yeah i'm baffled by that too, tbh
I think it points to garmr because everyone else una was sr'ing i'm p sure is town and garmr has a history of nk'ing peoppe who sr himWhile being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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are we in mylo tommorow or is that after the next day.In post 2022, skitter30 wrote:i guess i'm ok with that, but if she dies overnight i'm going to read this as virtue-signaling and an attempt to grab towncredWhile being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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Oh then if we don't lynch scum today we will lose. I'll blame you for throwing.In post 2024, skitter30 wrote:lylo tomorrow, but with conftownWhile being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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Like legit I was widely town read by a lot of players end of day 2 start of day 3 and since you wouldn't drop your read on me. The replacement for scum creature ect are all prepping for mislynch on me and people are making prep to shift their votes on me.In post 2026, skitter30 wrote:and you got to that conclusion because ...
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Probs town no way scum wake goes for masons.In post 2032, Saudade wrote:Garmr whats your read on wake88While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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What happens if it flips red. What will you think of the posts then?In post 2030, tictac wrote:In post 2027, Garmr wrote:
Like legit I was widely town read by a lot of players end of day 2 start of day 3 and since you wouldn't drop your read on me. The replacement for scum creature ect are all prepping for mislynch on me and people are making prep to shift their votes on me.In post 2026, skitter30 wrote:and you got to that conclusion because ...
You are also to daft to notice it.
ugh.u super look like u prepping for a greenflip here.In post 2028, Garmr wrote:Creature-preping
Tic tac- 50 50 on this slot laid groundwork in 1889
Jan-50 50prepped since day 2
Looker-1873
There's been a shift and only 1 of those is town.
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no I'm the one and only masonIn post 2038, Saudade wrote:I am masonWhile being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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Can you convince skitter to vote creature tomorrow????In post 2048, Skellen wrote:Will wait for skitter, but I will probably vote/hammer tomorrow (as it seems most likely Looker).
The more I reread the more I come to the conclusion that in most of my possible scumteams tictac and surprisingly Creature show up.
Regarding tictac I can only repeat to look at the vc 1.05-1.12, because that's where the whole transition from the tictac wagon to the FL wagon took place. At its peak the tictac wagon was all town minus Maria. When the FL wagon came up and tied with tictac 3:3 in votes the FL wagon was all town. Only then when the town players were leaving the FL wagon it was when Creature slot and tictac joined the wagon (Non actually brought the FL wagon temporarily into the lead with 4 votes). Finally Maria broke the tie with moving from tictac to FL and made it 4:2 for FL.
So either tictac is scum and scum had to take care that FL wagon wasn't losing steam as counterwagon or tictac is town and scum preferred to keep the FL wagon alive over pushing tictac as FL already softclaimed "Cop" at that point.
tictac/Looker/Creature, all of these are good for a lynch imo. Creature isn't going to happen today so I might save stuff for later, but I find it odd that this slot is flying under the radar for most of the game. I just went through Maria/Looker's, tictac's and Garmr's ISOs and no one really gave a read on that slot nor interacted much with them, just recently obviously. Too tired for jan's, but I think she mentioned them at least once or a few times.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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Sorry but I don't you will die out of of you and Skellen, Skellen seems to have better reads.In post 2051, skitter30 wrote:i guess i'm ok with looker if that's what we're stuck on today
the slot does need to go before lylo
in case i die:
- skellen is a mason
- i am *very* confident on saudade town (and wake's vote on him is ridiculous, but wake's doubting of masons probably doesn't come from scum)
- i'm p sure jan is town
i think all scum are in {garmr, looker, tictac, creature, wake}, in roughly that order, and i want jan to check one of those people
i will make sure to leave my thoughts in the masonry overnight
Unless like scum wants to frame me. Scum please try to frame me.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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I been thinking about Flavour leafs role. It doesn't make sense for the masons alone. With no neighbours I been thinking maybe scum got a neighbourizer or something similar.
I think with flavours lynch they A. Didn't use it for fear of being insti scum read or B used it on Una then night killed them when something went wrong.
If the loud called out peoples alignments when used on a neighbourhood maybe they could fake guilties with Flavour alive.
This is me trying to speculate a way to balance this game.
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see surface level. If you actually thought I was scum you'd made a point by now.In post 2116, Creature wrote:Guess you'll need my mislynch to win the game I seeWhile being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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Skit town reads creature scum creature confirmed.In post 2126, skitter30 wrote:probably doesn't come from scum!creature ^While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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may be annoying but it's most likely trueIn post 2128, skitter30 wrote:that's starting to become a little bit annoyingWhile being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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Part 1 Feelings
This post was never going to be made if looker flipped town. But well he flipped scum and it makes me happy. Happy that I was right day 1 and first to notice it. I was taking solace in being better than you because I scum read mariar and nailed scum with decent reasoning day 1. Then it dawned on me I should be happy for being right not because I felt aka better than you. So, I’m writing this in the night before any flips to express my feelings.
I’m not sure you noticed skitter but throughout this game I have built up a seething anger towards you. So much so I contemplating if I should vote in you lylo despite knowing you were town I decided against that after swallowing my personal feelings. I been wondering if you noticed how I felt throughout the game but looking in retrospect I guess not.
Part 2 The catalyst.
The start of this all was Robbnva and my argument with him. Him saying he didn’t like me despite me doing nothing to him rubbed me the wrong way so I made a light jab. I was willing to end it there but he was pathetic about it. But I won’t go to much in detail as that’s over. The problem is you. Who in the hell do you think I am? Do you think of me as low enough to start a personal fight as a scum tactic? I’m not as low as Deathrow Kitty who set up a situation to get me banned because I scum read them correctly. I wanted to avoid a fight since I just had one so in my mind, I rationalized that anyone who would push it would be scum. But imagine the feelings I had when I realized you were town. Not only did I have to deal with you implying I would start personal fights as a scum tactic. But You had wasted my entire day 2 and after I realized jan is town (That’s why I stopped pushing her at the end of the day.) you fucking corrupted my town read of her. I can’t even make myself feel better. Making a jab at your bad reads made me feel better about you but you go that’s scummy. Hello are you fucking dense I’m annoyed at you. Oh, what really makes me pissed is the fact you make up lies and bs about things to justify your bad scum read on me. I don’t understand why people think you are a decent player when you do this shit.
Part 3 A better game without you
I been fantasying about this game without you and how much better it would be. 1st off if we had a player like bob or firebringer. They would have realized it’s null for me to argue with robb and this shit never starts. You were a big part of flavour lynch so with out your existence we would have him still in the game and we would have formed a good town block between him and me and maybe with mason if the replacement of you was competent.
Say day 1 played out the same bar my arguments with you. I would have not got caught up on you day 2 and would have pushed mariar/looker. Not only would that scum slot be lynched earlier we would have avoided me and Jan arguing and I wouldn’t have lost my well-placed town read on her. Hell, we may have lynched that slot.
Day 3 would also be less messy but I can’t predict how that would of went but it was probably better.
Final word
I am not like robb and your probably decent in real life but this game omg this game has frustrated me to no end. So I thought it was healthier for me to get this out in the open.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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This is more a post about theory and hunting procedure and less about personal things so I’m separating it from my last post.
Subject: Mini Normal 2111 [Night 3]
Garmr wrote:My current scum/lynch list is
Skitter,Mariar and 1 of my nulls being Non/Dunn/Una/gamma/tic ta.
These two I don't really want to lynch right now
Gamma-
Been thinking about gamma being bad town after someone brought it up to me and it is pretty possible. I just hold gamma in very high regard because of my past experiences with him which is why I hinted at being a power role to him in my last game.
Tic tac-all the bad people have been touching him
The others I am fine with lynching.
Mariar I scum read for pretty much one reasons.
I was going to question this further before given my opinion but decided not to. It's really weird that mariar scum read non but had no opinion on non softing masons with her. There's like no reaction to him softing it and when asked Mariar kinda pushed it away and then said she'd vote him . Town would at least of some sort of reaction if they were suspecting them since they literally tied themselves to you.In post 796, Garmr wrote:In post 752, MariaR wrote: I
Why would I ever answer this question?n post 403, Garmr wrote:
Also MariaR what do you think about Una soft claiming masons with you?
Well since you literally answered this for me. How do you feel them softing you as a potential mason partner when they are not.In post 754, MariaR wrote:Una and Non are people I'd also vote. But yeah there's a catch up woo.
Every scenario I can think up comes from the motivation Oh not wanting to tie yourself to non and make sure people don't think about it. But why would town who have to sort people want people to forgot something that happened. I can Only think of reasons for scum so that's why she's on my list.
Subject: Mini Normal 2111 [Night 3]
See I was right to push on mariar for her lack of reaction to the mason soft. When someone else brought it up the soft mason crumb everyone was willing to drop it and let it be. This despite being site norm is not the right mentality for mafia. If it’s super obvious then scum has most likely noticed it. So not talking about it is stupid.skitter30 wrote:oh and how he keeps returning to the whole 'non softed masons with mariar' thing and keeps pushing that angle
Also if I was scum and believed they could be masons I wouldn't want to call it out in the thread.
Now if we pushed further we probably would of found out more to the reason why she doesn't want to be tied to creatures slots. I was also right about the motives.
So now the motive I'm thinking of is mariar didn't want to address it because she is scum with non aka creatures slot. It's also why she purposely ignored my posts on it. Creature voting me and making me the counter wagon to looker makes me even more that the slots are tied
Subject: Mini Normal 2111 [Night 3]
This ended up back firing on you didn't it so next time instead of trying to drag down my fucking reasoning with a brainless response like this. You'll hopefully learn to not be so dumb and broaden your mind to something that's out of the box scum hunting instead of sticking to simple formula.skitter30 wrote:
so much scum ^In post 829, Garmr wrote:I was going to question this further before given my opinion but decided not to. It's really weird that mariar scum read non but had no opinion on non softing masons with her. There's like no reaction to him softing it and when asked Mariar kinda pushed it away and then said she'd vote him . Town would at least of some sort of reaction if they were suspecting them since they literally tied themselves to you.
Also 3 points
1.If I was role hunting why would I be obvious about.
2. Retrospect point. No need to scum hunt a buddy.
3. Retrospect point. WHy the fuck would I call out a mason soft that's on a scum buddy. It benefits scum no matter who is doing it allowing them to coast through easier.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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That being said Mariar reaction to creatures predecessor makes me feel they are scum partners. You'd think a scum mariar would latch on to town trying to set up a mason read. To set up a potential future mislynch. Not indiscreetly try to push them away.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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Like I said wrote it in the night phase and I didn't think scum would actually shoot and I rushed to get it posted because I wanted it out in the open. I didn't think I would be lucky enough for scum to shoot skitter. In fact I thought they would shoot you.In post 2145, january wrote:
so... is this entire post just to tell skitter how you're annoyed with herIn post 2141, Garmr wrote:snip snip snip
i understand that like
u two didn't get along or whatever
but i think its really unfair of you to suggest that skitter is to blame for the entire state of the game
like, i understand that she played a part in the FL lynch and yes of course was partially responsible for some of the mislynches, but it's a part of mafia
and it's honestly... kinda low of you that you only choose to say all this when she's gone and can't respond to youWhile being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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I guess the latter I had it all copy and pasted then I scrolled to see the night kill. I paused for a second then hit enter. I decided it was better to post what I written last night and move on instead of holding it inside and taking it out on skitter in a future game. Also it was much tamer than the other 4 versions which were a bit more lets say mean spirited. So the post was more for me to move on than for skitter herself.
But I'm willing to discuss it with her post game. That being said Jan what do you think of creature slot x looker/mariar?While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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I scum read both but it was more a spite thing for skitter. She town read him while I scum read him and I wanted bragging rights. Was not in a healthy mind set yesterday.In post 2153, Skellen wrote:@Garmr:
It's the same team that I had as conclusion. Will maybe add some stuff regarding Creature later.
Btw why did you want to go for Creature over Looker yesterday? I mean you didn't but it was my impression that your scumread on Creature was tied to Looker.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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The main one is that but i got some minor points.In post 2155, january wrote:garmr - is your read on creature as tied to maria just based on the maria/non mason thing or is there something else
1.He pushed me as a counter wagon to Looker. Feeding into skitter. His lack of interaction around looker makes me think scum.
2.They sat on flavour.
Honestly the tie to looker/mariar is the major point.
But while you disagree with it. It was actually justified in this case. It also isn't fundamentally wrong. You can say everything is fundamentally wrong in mafia like scum reading someone voting someone ect. I felt something was off and I was right. I also don't think she would react the same as town. It might be similar but not the same way. I would expect her to have more of a reaction if she threw a scum read on the slot since it interacted with her or try to get information on it. But mariar came from a place of knowing thus didn't need to.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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I didn't believe you through.In post 2186, Saudade wrote:I literally claimed it for u d1While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-08 10:39:00)tictac [0]:
Wake88 [0]:
Skellen [0]:
skitter30 [0]:
Garmr [1]:Creature
january [0]:
Looker [5] [LYNCH]: january,Garmr, Saudade,tictac,skitter30
Creature [0]:
Saudade [2]:Wake88,Looker
Not Voting [1]:Skellen
With 9 in play, it takes 5 votes to lynch.
tictac [1]:skitter30
Wake88 [0]:
Skellen [1]: Dunnstral
skitter30 [0]:
Garmr [0]:
january [1]: Sujimichi
Looker [0]:
Dunnstral [6] [LYNCH]:Skellen, Saudade, Garmr,Looker,UnaBombaH, tictac
Sujimichi [0]:
UnaBombaH [0]:
Saudade [0]:
Not Voting [2]: Wake88, january
With 11 in play, it takes 6 votes to lynch.tictac [0]:
Wake88 [0]:
Skellen [0]:
Flavor Leaf [7] [LYNCH]:UnaBombaH,tictac,Looker,Skellen, Dunnstral,Sujimichi,Saudade
skitter30 [0]:
Garmr [0]:
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Looker [2]:Garmr,Wake88
Dunnstral [3]: skitter30, Flavor Leaf, Gamma Emerald
Sujimichi [0]:
UnaBombaH [0]:
Gamma Emerald [0]:
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Oh that's a bitch that happened to me last scum game totally killed my drive to play. I think there should be a discussion if that should be allowed in normal's.In post 2191, tictac wrote:it follows then that the claimed roles would be a tad unrealistic to scum.
Scum are so supposed to be all knowing disinformation goes against what it means to be scum.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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Skit wasn't outed as a mason day 1 was she?In post 873, Non lmh wrote:I can read gamestates better than all of y'all, sorry to tell you but it's over
you tried, did great,but skit/masonain't having it and I'm done waiting
dullards, er, I mean town,, reread the game and focus on leaf, he's looking for his pals
gamma is their encrypter
figure out the rest on your own, gg
replace me out if you intend to keep playing
not that kind to replace out on my own
sorry leaf, I too am shackled by my wincon
might screw around a bit, but shackled nonetheless
oh, and in case I'm wrong, I'm new, so all is forgiven?
~kbye~
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happy holidays y'all,, little early, but might not be around laterWhile being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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We have a mason flip and Skellen doesn't seem the type to do a gambit.In post 2238, Wake1 wrote:VOTE: Saudade
I'm calling bullshit on your Mason claim. If Skellen is the other Mason then she shouldn't be pocketing anyone who's unconfirmed.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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Wouldn't surprise me if another game was snuck past reviews. Happened to me last game they won't give any punishments till after the game.In post 2240, Wake1 wrote:
I doubt 3 Masons in a 13-player game would get past review. If it's accurate it seems completely imbalanced.In post 2239, Garmr wrote:
We have a mason flip and Skellen doesn't seem the type to do a gambit.In post 2238, Wake1 wrote:VOTE: Saudade
I'm calling bullshit on your Mason claim. If Skellen is the other Mason then she shouldn't be pocketing anyone who's unconfirmed.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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I don't understand why you posted so much on a catch up from day 1 when you said you read it before yesterday.In post 1857, Creature wrote:Okay EOD2 is boring af
Why didn't you post any catch up yesterday and what motivated you to do it today.
Also why did you go from your read on me being "someone you would want to lynch" to "I can't read" if the things that made me unreadable are still from the same day phases you scum read me the day before from?While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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My lynch pool is (creature,wake,Tic Tac.) and if on the off chance jan is scum I decided that I'll give her the win since if she's scum she's played a decent game (also played a decent game as town) we got one mislynch.
So should I hammer wake or does anyone want to say anything first.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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Creature as scum-
-Wanted to lynch me
-Endorsing Skitters reads which would of won scum the game.
-rushing on tic tac with me felt off.
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-Day 1 not voting, day 2- voted me but somehow ended up not voting by the end of the day again.
-The entire day 2 where she sided with Skitter If she actually wanted to sort me she wouldn't of prematurely tried to stop any fruit on skitter. Smart town would of let me hang myself with my gambit if they thought I was scum. Also she knew there was movement on skitter so me saying I gambited would be less believable.
-The fake guilty she laid on scum then retracted.
-Also the fact she crumbed after her claim and didn't crumb day 1 or 2.
-The fact I'm the one who's Innocent after saying might as well give Jan the win as scum. 99% of the time I am Bull shitting to see who's scum. I gave the appearance of least likely to suspect her on purpose.
-Day 3 she was contemplating if I was scum with Looker ect day 4.
You have a so called guilty on Tic Tac your town do you A lynch your guilty or do you lynch a scum read your not sure of. Also why would you assume a role blocker when your role gets guilties.
It seems like a Bus to me.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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ThisIn post 2355, tictac wrote:probs cause garm was going to, and wake didn't wanna give garm townpoints.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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This was a really tough call and you can put all the blame on me if town lose
VOTE: January
I picked to Vote Jan because of role balance and her reaction to me day 2. It seemed like it came from a place of knowing instead of a place of trying to find stuff out.
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I think the mod set up is
1-Loud complex pt cop-
3-masons
1-Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
1-Mafia 1-Shot Ninja
1-Maifa 1-Shot Motion tracker
6-vanilla townies
This seems like the most likely set up.
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Could be
1-Loud complex pt cop
3-masons
1-Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
1-Mafia 1-Shot Ninja
1-mafia goon
6 vanilla townies.
Because the goon would act like a weak godfather in this set up.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right)- Garmr
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Also this is why Jans scum Jokes lol.In post 2136, skitter30 wrote:scum is in {garmr, tictac, creature, wake}
Probs should stop joking around about it.While being 100% completely right. I'm just that good. -Garmr (Wasn't Right) - Garmr
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