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Sup

So I'm pseudo confirmed town.
so like sheep me.
VOTE: Robbnva

Hehe I want to see this fight

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Too volatile.

If he gets sus then we'll pursue his ass.

It's like kuribo smashed his head against the wall so many times in rage that one damaged braincell leaked out his ear. Then that one brain cell became sentient and started calling itself Robb that's how Volatile he is.

Personal attacks are against game and site rules. Watch yourself.

Creative it was though

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Wake. Why didn’t you post your thing about not doing anything day 1?

Because 1) ongoing games and 2) my meta is evolving based on #1.

lolwhat?

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Meme games are fun games

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Oh nvm, there are four deaths already

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Why tf did we lynch Dunnstral?

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Oh well, this game is gonna be harder then

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I take the challenge

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I feel like garme is trying to make jan lynchable rn

Who is Jan? How are they being townread rn?

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I should probably stop poking Robbnva even if it is too damn funny

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Skipping to EOD1 to see what actually happened

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If you flip town, Una tomorrow

What happened with this?

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Gamma/Una are the 2 players here who know me best.

Oh lol

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I fucked up. I didn't know that votes didn't reset when you replaced in.

??

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Okay EOD2 is boring af

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I think I already know where I want to go:

VOTE: Garmr

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Can one party tell me why is january being universally townread and the other party tell me why should we lynch january?

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Sup

So I'm pseudo confirmed town.
so like sheep me.
VOTE: Robbnva

Hehe I want to see this fight

creature you need to claim now

Is it massclaim time?

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yes, claim please

Vanilla town

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how confident are you on scum!garmr

Mild

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ok january's just town, then, i think

??

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What are all the claims?

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Why is Saudade town?

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Okay, I'll see if I can do stuff pre-hammer

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Trusting Skellen, skitter and january to be town

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still can't be sure skitter isn't being fooled by Saudade here though

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I'm pretty alright with Looker dying

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yeah i dont think garmr and tictac are scum..........
maybe skitter and skellen are both scum claiming masons together.....

wtf?

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Garmr can easily be scum here

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Internet's quite malfunctioning right now

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I'm ok with hammer if you lot will work on the creature slot tomorrow

You mean try to mislynch my slot?

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If you believe your PoE, then that means trusting my slot to Wake, Garmr and tictac will pretty much backfire.

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Guess you'll need my mislynch to win the game I see

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My internet is really slow rn

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Will I have to hope Looker flips scum?

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Woo we did it, Wake, Garmr and tictac

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Nice theater you all

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Just don't kill me tonight D:

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VOTE: tictac

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Okay gonna give this one more shot

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So I'm pseudo confirmed town.

so like sheep me.
VOTE: Robbnva

What were you trying to achieve with this?

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Question to Robbnva and Dunnstral why did you vote town?

Weird RVS thing

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You’re not pseudo confirmed town so that’s a lie.

Yes I’m being honest when I say I’m town. You have lied though so I can’t trust you anymore.

And I’m not arguing with you for the next 40 pages. I don’t like you anyway so it’s like double pleasure for me.

Oh boy, looks like another season of the Robb Show is starting up.

I like this

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Question to Robbnva and Dunnstral why did you vote town?

Town winrate is lower when lynching mafia day 1

Really?

Is that from lack of associative tells?

Fair

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You’re not pseudo confirmed town so that’s a lie.

Yes I’m being honest when I say I’m town. You have lied though so I can’t trust you anymore.

And I’m not arguing with you for the next 40 pages. I don’t like you anyway so it’s like double pleasure for me.

Oh boy, looks like another season of the Robb Show is starting up.

Wanna take bets on how long he takes to spit the dummy.

This kind of provocation is something I'd do as town, not sure for Garmr

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So I'm pseudo confirmed town.

Also you were just joking, right?

You're not pulling a Saudade are you?

Fairly jumpy

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So I'm pseudo confirmed town.

Also you were just joking, right?

You're not pulling a Saudade are you?

What's pulling a Sausdade.

"I'm a Mason!", etc.

Oh half joking I thought it be funny before this game if I just keeped repeating/mentioning I'm pseudo confirmed town every 4-5 posts for a entire game as town. So basically pulling a Tammy.

I'm town

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Yes he pulled a saudade

And you already wanna get him for that, right?

I mean surely he's gotta be Scum yeah?

Go get him. Go get him Robb. Show us who you are SUPERSTAR.

Sometimes I wonder if this could be SvS

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Garmr-Wake-Robb have at least 2 town within them.

Should I trust Flavor Leaf here?

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The game we played is over. You were town and did it. Now I will forever have doubt this game cause you shifted your meta.

Well, this is Mafia, and you should be doubtful in general.

Unless it comes to me you can always believe me.

I can hear Robb grinding his teeth after reading that.

This sort of interaction really feels like two scum hype to theater with each other

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Sup

I wouldn’t actually use this as a case ever, but like...this screams townRob to me for some reason.

This is really weird for me to think about potential scumRobb saying.

Just gut, and I’m hoping post game it turns out to be true.

Have you ever played Scum Robb before?

I haven't. Last game we completed I thought he was Scum but he wasn't.

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past 1am here and just from a quick skim, feeling Bella intimidated by you lot
so if y'all could just help a newbie out and take for granted that Non and Mari are town, I'd be most appreciative, thanks)

also, get the sense I missed my chance but to help set the precedent VOTE: Flavor Leaf

nighty night

Orwell...

this strange presence is actually my ancestor

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But if you report me for that I'll report you for telling me to die.

Not sure if this is something Garmr easily does as scum

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feel like Garmr is able to do anything as scum and my best hope is for him to perform something obviously scummy like last games

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I'm going to igore robb, i think
Garmr feels a little weird on the first page, not sure i can articulate why tho

Let's see how this goes

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I dont understand the dunn wagon

VOTE: garmr

Caught up.

I dont particularly like fl, garmr, or tictac. I dont like the wagon they're pushing

Pedit lol hi saudade

Knowing skitter, I expect her to be about (200/3)% accurate here

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I think robb needs to grow up but Ok.

But if you report me for that I'll report you for telling me to die.

Hey Skitt

I dont understand the dunn wagon

There's not much to get.

You know full well how those sorts of arguments end, in a full-on shitshow usually, so picking a fight with him seems anti-town at best and maliscious at worst

dunno why scum!garm wants to be a part of a shitshow.

Wait skitter is robs slot this changes a couple of things.

What do you think skitter?

This is the important part now.

^direction of curiosity influenced by available data. looks like real sorting.

VOTE: january
hang this lazy mafia

^probably bussing.

VOTE: january

Meh entrance

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but I always scumread that kind of entrance anyways so

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Oops quoted two Garmr's posts accidentally

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Damn multiquotes

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Ugh, tictac isn't texcat so can't tell wtf is her

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actually all experience I have with her is that Secret Topaz fucked up setup I replaced her

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SkitterScum is easy to figure out.

If I die, she’s scum.

This hasn't aged well

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So much useless bantering between Saudade and Flavor Leaf

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Gamma is not someone I see getting killed by a Looker/Garmr/tictac scumteam

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Not a strong stance though

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Flavor has the potential to be completely wrong on 288 tbh

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Oh well, I think all interesting players are dead by now

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Garmr could be an interesting player, but not as interesting when I can't even sort him

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I know what you're all thinking

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This is the most important moment to try to sort me

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so I'll just keep posting infinitely

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I think I have the ability to ooze town when I just keep posting, hence why skitter townread me

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I think she would have 90% scumread me if I was scum

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I think I got offtrack and have no idea what I am doing rn

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Help me skitter

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Hey Skitt

I dont understand the dunn wagon

There's not much to get.

You know full well how those sorts of arguments end, in a full-on shitshow usually, so picking a fight with him seems anti-town at best and maliscious at worst

dunno why scum!garm wants to be a part of a shitshow.

Wait skitter is robs slot this changes a couple of things.

What do you think skitter?

This is the important part now.

^direction of curiosity influenced by available data. looks like real sorting.

VOTE: january
hang this lazy mafia

^probably bussing.

VOTE: january

dunno if you're serious about this but if you think he's bussing why don't you vote him (:

last time i played with him he dumbtunneled a partner throughout the game, and his choice of target was kinda out of the left field, so yea. I'm at least semi serious about thinking he's bussing now.

I'll totes vote for him if there's a wagon tho

pedit: agreed w robb/skitt town for now.

Stuff like this just feels like pushing an agenda. I feel like the reads are pretty basic. I get it’s page 6 and all that but still, it’s clear he’s competent enough to be doing stuff.

Maybe I could make something out of this, but lol reading MariaR

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Large Normal 223: New Beginnings 21p Large Normal

"YouAreCreat"

wtf is that?

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tictac [3]: Flavor Leaf, Gamma Emerald, MariaR

Now that's one scum!tictac indicative wagon

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k, up to pg.11, taking a short break, just letting y'all know in case anyone cares, not scum, so until I think otherwise UNVOTE: Leaf

We just won a town game, we just won a town game.

I officially have meta on Nom.

Yey

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tbh tictac seemed much more aggressive in newbie 1961 from a quick ISO

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town:
skellen, saudade, probably gamma, probably una,

probably maria,

probably january, probably tictac, maybe dunn, maybe non

in rough order of confidence ^

not town:
flavor, garmr

everyone else: idk

Oh no skitter

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yeah, fl-jan-una is my solve,, GE has a false positive on fl
k, I had fun, lynch me,, LYNCH ME
if you're town, LYNCH ME, but only if you're really town
VOTE: Non

My ancestor annoys me

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I’d do Garmr if it was clearly more viable than TikTok but not rn

lol TikTok

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Is it too bad to NKA that?

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Mariar I scum read for pretty much one reasons.

Spoiler:

Okay

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Catch-up posts inbound.

Wait, I thought Wake wasn't of playing day 1?

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Garmr just dealt with ScumMe recently, so he should have a fresh intake on scumMe.

I also would like to see your input on this one Garmr.

More partnership

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@wake

VOTE: Dunnstral

That being said they didn't really reply to my questions to them and avoided a take on our little event.

Is this still a thing or no?

Garmr just dealt with ScumMe recently, so he should have a fresh intake on scumMe.

I also would like to see your input on this one Garmr.

Meh, I hate how I can't find any scumgame from Wake

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Why can't multiquotes just cancel themselves after a post?

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If Wake is town I refuse to be instalynched tomorrow

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Ah yeah, in the end skitt's final reads were from scummiest to town Garmr, tictac, Creature, Wake, jan.

Oh well

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If Wake is town can you at least trust her here?

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Congratulations Garmr you're townier than tictac

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Forgot to VOTE: tictac

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did scum-tictac actually lynch his only buddy, knowing what he was gonna flip, and knowing there was a guilty on him?

Same could be asked about january claiming fruit vendor

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why is that inside a quote-block?
weird.

You typed inside the quote?

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Can't do anything if jan doesn't say her results

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I don't want to say anything until she is done

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VOTE: january

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That was a good call, would most likely have voted you over Garmr

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Setup so far is:

3 masons
1 PT cop

1 mafia 1-shot strongman
1 mafia 1-shot ninja

strongman and ninja doesn't do shit on any of the masons or PT cop

strongman doesn't do shit on any role so far

somehow january came up with the motion detector that can be interfered by ninja

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It being odd-night and only ninja being actually useful makes the setup awfully asymmetric so it's probably a false claim

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I wanted to bring a game as an example, but the completed mini normals subforums is broken

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Anyway the usual is a 3 masons + 7 VTs vs 3 goons (or pretty much any kind of non-investigate PR)

I can see PT cop being added because it isn't that powerful of a PR, but randomly adding an odd-night motion detector makes no sense

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january thought he could get away by claiming motion detector because 1-shot ninja

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action failed on tictac

genuinely think that i probably would get an action failed on any of them but eh

???

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I'm not one to forget to submit roleblocks

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I wanted to bring a game as an example, but the completed mini normals subforums is broken

Here it is: viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68822

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Although that game was somewhat scumsided, I don't think that would justify adding both PT cop and motion detector

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VCA is useless because scum have mostly not voted/vanity voted D1

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Town?

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Townlean

Garmr
tictac
Dunnstral
Saudade
Sujimichi
Skellen

Null

skitter30
Gamma Emerald
UnaBombaH

Scumlean

MariaR

Flavor Leaf

january

Scum?

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*I need an explanation from FL regarding his claim. At first he said he was 'Loud,' and later said he was 'Announcing.' I don't think you can be both, so he needs to straighten that out ASAP. It looks like he tripped up on his claim.

*Up to #958.

Oh look found this

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Both Looker and Wake seemed to be bussy and attacking a PR claim (yes, scum likes to attack their buddies claiming PR for some reason)

while my slot is pretty up in their lists when Suji could be also a good distancing point

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One thing I don't like is how Skitter keeps defending January. January could very well be Scum, but if they were both Scum it'd be stupid to hard-defend/Townread your partner like that.

lol

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Ugh, still don't see much to work with

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I should probably go straight to the queen bee's ISO, but that's gonna be more expensive than anything.

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Thought about just going straight to insisting I'm town or like spamposting until I come as genuine, but I think I can read RVS phase, starts of day 2 and day 3 and stuff like that first.

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ello

don't feel like RVS is worth the effort right now so just gonna ask questions instead

Garmr-Wake-Robb have at least 2 town within them.

how do you tell that there's at least 2 towns? is it just that you don't think any of them are a maf & maf interaction or are they individual reads?

Dunn interests me actually. Instead of spouting a personal reason or just saying it was a rvs when I asked why they voted a town me, they just spouted a statics. It really didn't offer anything towards the game or develop anything. But to just flat out use a statics for reasoning in rvs is new to me.

i don't think he gave the statistic as a reasoning, bc he never said he thinks you're town

it seemed just like a cheeky response to your "why are you voting town"

anyways, since you point it out as interesting - which alignment do you think it's more likely to be done as?

Okay, there are these three consecutive posts and the next post is only 144, so looks like january lost the gas quite early

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Nom Ikh (my slot) posted just once and then only posted about 2 days later, but I think that's way less indicative of scum who lost gas

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Ugh, was wrong, it's not post 144 january's next post, it's post 140

though in page 6 you can see january looks insecure

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Again, I wouldn't have forget to roleblock you if I were mafia roleblocker

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Setup is already

3 masons + 1 PT cop

likely PT cop would get a result N1 so next day there would be a chance it would be about 4-5 conftown

Sum that with odd night motion detector and that's already madness even with a roleblocker

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Oh well, was ninja'd

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I think makes plenty of sense last scum is somehow informed otherwise Wake's and Looker's red herring roles won't really help scum at all

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because you couldn't? it's limited shots or non-multitasking maybe?

Limited shot would have to be 1-shot to match with the other two roles but it's unlikely scum would have saved that to day 3.

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I mean night 3.

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wake's selfhammer on d3 or 4 (don't remember which)
doesn't make sense to me in any context except him trying to save his partner from the lynch by drawing the lynch onto himself and preventing it from flipping
makes the most sense that he was trying to protect creature who had roleblock since that was the more valuable maf power role

Why would it even matter if I couldn't roleblock you?

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Pretty sure you don't do that unless the survival of your mafia partner will ensure mafia win

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lol sacrificing oneself just so your mafia partner gets lynched the next day

Nah, doesn't make sense

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if creature was town wake could have just hammered them when they were at L-1??

I think Wake still wanted to position himself as town but ended getting voted and quit anyway

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If january's claim were true, there would be five fairly strong PRs which is half of town already

Yes, there were mini normals games with roughly that amount of PRs, but they were mostly weak PRs that could easily be lynchable, while this game would have like only two lynchable PRs but even their power could compensate that

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My guess is january is mafia-aligned motion detector or something related and hence the confidence to set up a claim early (like Gamma/piss slot in my recently finished large where I presume would feel confident enough to claim something like tracker to contrast something like watcher).

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The 1-shot strongman and 1-shot ninja would be actually related to FL's role.

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Flavor Leaf [Town Complex Announcing PT Cop]

Actually I think this role is supposed to be able to target any of the masons + any of them scum, while also if FL targeted town he wouldn't be sure if that is clearable for them.

I don't think the reviewers or whoever made the setup would decide to add motion detector to be the only innocent FL can get.

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If we're gonna play that then skitter said she would be pretty happy to lose to january

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Wished the mod announced the endgame already, but don't worry you got it right

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Guess all it took was some basic setup spec and january already was particularly scummy without her claim, but realized the setup spec thing just later.