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[january]

also, she probs didn't think wake would go down before ya did.

so u think that when i had a chance to hammer creature, i instead stalled so that wake could put votes on himself (lol) then put him at L-1 and didn’t think he would get lynched

if i’m scum here i’m playing way more ballsy than i’d ever be comfortable doing by bussing both my partners... in a row...

[tictac]

also, she probs didn't think wake would go down before ya did.

so u think that when i had a chance to hammer creature, i instead stalled so that wake could put votes on himself (lol) then put him at L-1 and didn’t think he would get lynched

if i’m scum here i’m playing way more ballsy than i’d ever be comfortable doing by bussing both my partners... in a row...

yea. I'm really impressed with how ya played this!

this is, ya claiming a role that is just not at all plausible with these flips, and calling a no-result on me.

[january]

waiting for skel’s input before deciding to hammer or whatever

i get your argument abt the roleblocker and all but they’re also the last alive for a reason
i don’t see wake self-hammering there unless he either gave up or he’s trying to protect partner

if the last mafia is just roleblocker then mafia has a strong arm to counter... nothing? and a ninja to counter motion detector (basically useless) and that seems pretty useless of a team(?)

[tictac]

Complex Announcing PT Cop
Mason Mailman
Mason Encryptor
Mason
6 x VT

1-Shot Ninja
1-Shot Strongman
Encryptor

here's what i think the setup is.
3 mason 3 goon is balanced.
to mix it up mafia gets disinformation in the form of useless PRs, and the daytalk can be disabled.
leafs-role is super double-edged as it's just as likely to out masons as it's to find scum.
mailman is useless. i guess disinfo for the masons, and a way to get themselves NKd if it's used unwisely. i guess it could be used to inform the PT-cop of the masons if the masons can spot the PT-cop while his hidden and don't use it on scum accidentally.
unless skel reveals some special sauce that makes sense w yer role, i'm keeping this vote.

[january]

@tictac
jw why do you think wake self-hammered there

[tictac]

probs cause garm was going to, and wake didn't wanna give garm townpoints.

[Skellen]

do what ya will, but do ask yerself this: did scum-tictac actually lynch his only buddy, knowing what he was gonna flip, and knowing there was a guilty on him?

To be fair with a guilty on you, scum!you could as well just push Wake for some last distancing and then the lynch on Wake went unexpectedly through.

Tbh what confused me yesterday was that despite the guilty no one really pushed for tictac, besides Creature with his naked vote while a Creature lynch almost went through and ultimately Wake got lynched instead. I don't understand why scum weren't taking that easy mislynch if town!tictac.

[Skellen]

The more roles get confirmed with these misleading scum roles the more this setup looks ridiculously townsided if jan is town, like I feel even an ungated Roleblocker can't do much against two roles that give hard guilties on scum.

I mean if you assume no town pr gets mislynched D1 and jan confirms someone outside of the town prs and scum kills neither a pr nor jan's target then it's technically 6 conftown + 2 unconfirmed town + 3 scum on D2. Assuming town buys all town pr claims of course. If the two unconfirmed get lynched and killed on D2/N2 then it's basically over for scum. Even with Roleblocker that is tough, there is almost no room for mistakes. Even if the pt Cop outs the Masonry on D2 scum has no wiggle room in their kill choices.

To be fair jan claimed a motion on skitter, so she definitely would need to be a Motion Detector or another investigative role to know that skitt indeed were a pr using her ability. Unfortunately skitt more or less hinted her Mailman in a tictac interaction before so scum!jan could have guessed it if she paid attention. Overall impression by play is town, but that role...

[Skellen]

The right way to go is lynching tictac though. If red, great. If green, it confirms that there is a Roleblocker or jan is lying. It would also confirm that all major D1 wagons were town.

I can hammer in a few hours when I wake up and head off to work or jan will eventually do it if everyone is fine with ending this day. I don't really care as there isn't really a point to draw it out longer than necessary.

[Skellen]

In case tictac flips green:
Both jan and Wake had the chance to hammer Creature, jan was gearing up to it, so there is the chance she didn't want to rush it and was caught off-guard by Saudade changing his vote from Creature to Wake. Although I think she would have gotten away with a hammer there. Also not sure if Wake had 2/3 of his scumreads in his D1 readslist on both his partners.

Wake however literally provoked Saudade to come at him in #2232 and actively lured him away from the Creature wagon. He asked in the same post to wait for Creature, as he was townreading Suji (never explained that read though nor interacted with that slot). Could support the Roleblocker theory with Wake taking the bullet for Creature.

It might be useful to go through some Wake interactions though. Just don't rush it with the infamous instant lylo vote if you get there. But maybe it will be just over with tictac lynch, so what.

[tictac]

VOTE: TICtAC

I think the guilty was right

I agree.

i do not believe scum don't have daytalk when masons do,
I do not believe in the existence of an encryptor roleblocker who just happens to be the last scum we flip especially when all the flips we seen are 1-shot-foo.

VOTE: january

do what ya will, but do ask yerself this: did scum-tictac actually lynch his only buddy, knowing what he was gonna flip, and knowing there was a guilty on him?

this ends in a town win now anyway, so ya welcome, and tyty

^don't forget I said this.

also, while I'm sure there's not a encryptor-roleblocker, I'm extra hyper sure there's not a multitasking encryptor roleblocker, so they can't block

and

kill at the same time.
at least somebody gonna be conftown in lylo.

[january]

yeah i don't see the point in making this any longer
i'd probably go for creature lynch tomorrow if this is wrong
p sure if this isn't maf then that is
VOTE: ticTac

[AaronFrost]

Vote Count 5.01 [FINAL]

tictac [3] [LYNCH]:

Garmr, Creature, january

Skellen [0]:

Garmr [0]:

january [0]:

tictac

Creature [0]:

Not Voting [1]:

Skellen

With 5 in play, it takes 3 votes to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-01-23 12:35:00)

Notes

- Your mod is regularly V/LA on Wednesdays
- Damn that was a fast day

tictac was lynched Day 5. They were a...

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Night 5 begins! I'm going to offer you guys a fast night tonight. If all living players request a fast night, then the night will be accelerated. Otherwise it will end at the posted deadline.

Tentative Deadline:

(expired on 2020-01-18 22:33:00)

[AaronFrost]

Everyone has requested a fast night! Night will be shortened by 24 hours.

New Deadline:

(expired on 2020-01-17 22:33:00)

[AaronFrost]

Skellen was killed Night 5. She was a...

Spoiler:

Town Mason

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Day 6 Begins!

Vote Count 6.00

Garmr [0]:

january [0]:

Creature [0]:

Not Voting [3]:

Garmr, january, Creature

With 3 in play, it takes 2 votes to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-01-24 22:36:00)

Notes

- Your mod is regularly V/LA on Wednesdays

[Garmr]

So yeah

[Garmr]

Jan what's your results

[Garmr]

This games pretty hard and there is no convo going on.

[Creature]

Can't do anything if jan doesn't say her results

[Creature]

I don't want to say anything until she is done

[january]

garm's no motion but action succeeded so
VOTE: creature

[january]

makes no sense why im still alive

[Creature]

VOTE: january

[Creature]

That was a good call, would most likely have voted you over Garmr

[Creature]

Setup so far is:

3 masons
1 PT cop

1 mafia 1-shot strongman
1 mafia 1-shot ninja

strongman and ninja doesn't do shit on any of the masons or PT cop

strongman doesn't do shit on any role so far

somehow january came up with the motion detector that can be interfered by ninja