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@raverblood: Most games here start with random voting. It's how discussion is started. You don't really have to worry about getting lynched soon; if you are, whoever put the last vote on you is going to look mega-suspicious.
We have no way to know if The Jester is The Jester or not. Saying that he was was just joking around. Mods decide who gets what roles randomly, so there's no way to really know. It would just be a hilarious coincidence if The Jester was indeed The Jester.
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In the last Jester game (Open 71) the game continued even after the Jester was lynched Day 1, although it was said that the Jester got 1st place, and the Mafia got 2nd place.Rishi wrote:
Yes. The game ends. If the Jester wins, the rest of us lose.Apothecary wrote:Out of interest, would this game end if the Jester was lynched, or would we continue till the normal ending?
Either way, both the Town and Mafia want to make sure not to lynch the Jester.- Crazy
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2nd is better than 3rd, albeit no where close to 1st. I'm not going to ask for a replacement if the Jester is lynched and the game is continued.Rishi wrote:
"Second place" is just a nice way of saying "loser." If the Jester gets lynched, then there's no point in playing any more.Crazy wrote:
In the last Jester game (Open 71) the game continued even after the Jester was lynched Day 1, although it was said that the Jester got 1st place, and the Mafia got 2nd place.Rishi wrote:
Yes. The game ends. If the Jester wins, the rest of us lose.Apothecary wrote:Out of interest, would this game end if the Jester was lynched, or would we continue till the normal ending?
Either way, both the Town and Mafia want to make sure not to lynch the Jester.- Crazy
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That was less than 2 days ago. It's too early in the game to find lurkers, anyway. Also, The Jester has posted more recently than Sun Tzu.Apothecary wrote:Wait, where's The Jester (the actual user, not the role)? I haven't seen him post anything since confirmation and his voting of raverblood!
Err... Skruffs, was this a joke?
I assumed it was, but if it wasn't, then I don't believe it's useful at all.Skruffs wrote:My suggestion, correlary, is that we all pretend to be the jester. It keeps the mafia from completely random voting.- Crazy
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Also, don't weraverblood wrote:i dont know. sure if we all act like jesters that would make the scum confused when random killing and everything but wouldnt that just also confuse us when trying to find the mafia to lynch? just a thoughtwantthe Mafia to find and kill the Jester? Having everyone act like Jesters will disrupt their search for the Jester and our search for the Mafia.- Crazy
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That's an option? He has a right to play the game in his own way now, doesn't he?Rishi wrote:Cretin is obviously not taking the game seriously. He's an idiot that'll likely be replaced soon. The posts show very little, but he's more annoying than scummy.
From your earlier post, it didn't sound like you thought that was an option...Rishi wrote:What do we do about cretin, by the way? Eventually we're not going to be able to ignore him.
He has no prior games played, so I can't tell if it's a jester ploy. I definitely don't want him alive in a hypothetical endgame, though.
I don't care for this. The only way forbiddan could be setting up chain lynches was if a. She and Cr3tin were scum partners and b. She's bussing her partner on page 3 and c. She thinks that the town would buy that and automatically lynch Rishi Day 2.Rishi wrote:Also, how come when one player defends another, those players automatically become scumbuddies? Trying to set up some chain lynches there?- Crazy
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I'm not sure what of this was just randomness, but here...Skruffs wrote:Who's acting the most protown?
Lynch them.Skruffs wrote:Okay. SO, Crazy and Apothecary are 2 of the three scum in this game.
WHICH IS WHICH??Skruffs wrote:My suggestion, correlary, is that we all pretend to be the jester. It keeps the mafia from completely random voting.
Point of the vote was...?Skruffs wrote:How is it anti-town?
Unvote, Vote: Kmd4389
Did you think about it before you voted me, or did you vote me because at first glance it looked like I said something stupid and scummy?
Couldn't disagree more here. The mafia want the jester NKed as much as the town.Skruffs wrote: Actually, the mafia are not going to try and kill the jester, at least not at first, because the mafia also want to claim jester, adn killing the jester kills their only fake claim.- Crazy
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About 3 people are acting jestery. They can't all be the jester.
IMO, if a scum acts like a jester, then that is a very risky gambit. It would be much easier to do what normal scum do, and act like town.
Town players in no way shouldeveract jestery. It's completely stupid and there's no reason to do it.
We will have to take a chance, and try to lynch someone that's scummy. But if someone looks outrageously scummy, we should probably wait to see if they get NKed. If they're not, then we can lynch them the next day.- Crazy
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Yes, but lynching the pro-town people isn't the answer. Do you do that in regular games?Skruffs wrote:Interesting.
You are agreeing with the very first thing I Said - that scum are going to act pro-town, and that scum acting like a jester is risky, and yet you say I am not making sense "this whole game"?
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If the jester is lynched, everyone else loses. If the mafia make it seem like they're the jester, then their plan is busted when the real jester is NKed.Skruffs wrote:Why do you say this? What is your reasoning?- Crazy
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This is hypothetical. I was answering Skruffs' question.Rishi wrote:
Why do you assume that's the Mafia's plan?Crazy wrote:
If the jester is lynched, everyone else loses. If the mafia make it seem like they're the jester, then their plan is busted when the real jester is NKed.Skruffs wrote:Why do you say this? What is your reasoning?
The mafia have two options. They can either:
a. Act like town, as they would in a normal game.
b. Act like a jester.
Now if two people are acting really jestery, and one is NKed andwasthe jester, then the other one is mighty scummy, no? Because town have no reason to act jestery.
Thus, I believe it is very risky for the mafia to act like the jester.
Skruffs was saying that the mafia want to claim jester, as it's their only fake claim. This is why I disagree.- Crazy
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I'm saying they would look genuinely scummy, as in being actual scum.Kmd4390 wrote:
So what is your opinion on players acting jestery if the real jester ends up NK'd?Crazy wrote:
This is hypothetical. I was answering Skruffs' question.Rishi wrote:
Why do you assume that's the Mafia's plan?Crazy wrote:
If the jester is lynched, everyone else loses. If the mafia make it seem like they're the jester, then their plan is busted when the real jester is NKed.Skruffs wrote:Why do you say this? What is your reasoning?
The mafia have two options. They can either:
a. Act like town, as they would in a normal game.
b. Act like a jester.
Now if two people are acting really jestery, and one is NKed andwasthe jester, then the other one is mighty scummy, no? Because town have no reason to act jestery.
Thus, I believe it is very risky for the mafia to act like the jester.
Skruffs was saying that the mafia want to claim jester, as it's their only fake claim. This is why I disagree.
Are you saying they look scummy for doing so or scum probably wouldn't do this?
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So... I'm not looking too pro-town right now, does that mean I'm off the hook?Skruffs wrote:Well, considering my vote is only worth "1", where to lynch someone you need ">1", no, I do not "do" that in regular games. In this game, though, it is a fitting thing to try and do, as the jester is not likely to act protown adn the mafia are, also the mafia know that there are no cops or SKs so the threat of being exposed by acting pro town is reduced to 0 unless they themselves are lynched - which - if they are acting pro town, won't happen.
No, this is not the reverse of mafia, it's a variation. We still have to try to lynch scum. How do we do that in regular games of mafia? By lynching who looks scummy. If it's later in the game, and the Jester is still around, then we have to be more careful. But now, let's focus on lynching scum, not "non-jesters."- Crazy
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Grr, Rishi...
Skruff's planisstupid. Don't the mafiaWANTto find the jester? If so, then how will everyone looking like the Jester help? And it obviously won't help us find scum if everyone is acting scummy now, would it?
Please look at Skruff's actual argument instead of automatically buying the opinion of an experienced player.- Crazy
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If they don't and he is, then the mafia has screwed us over. If Skruffs is not mafia, I think he is definitely Jester. I mean, it's not like we can all flip a switch and act scummy/jestery. I mean, for that matter, why don't we all CLAIM?Rishi wrote:How are we sure what the Mafia will do? And, after you set up "We'll lynch Skruffs if he isn't dead," then why would they kill him unless they also think he's the jester?
-Town will claim Jester.
-Scum will claim Town.
-Jester will claim Scum.
Eh? Is that what you figure will happen, Skruffs?- Crazy
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Rishi wants to lynch Xtoxm and Sun Tzu. They aren't helpful, but how are they scummy? How is what they've doing different from Cr3t1n?Kmd wrote:The idea is to lynch scum, not players who aren't helping much.
Do you see anything scummy in what cr3t1n is doing?
Who seems scummy to you so far?
To me, Rishi is still the scummiest. I dunno, he's bouncing suspicions off the wall, but not actually posting his real suspicion on Kmd. And he seems to agree with Skruffs' plan of all of us acting jestery.- Crazy
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Do you realize how ridiculous that is? If he was the Jester heKmd wrote:Yes, that is jester WIFOM that maybe he didn't self hammer so now he can act scummy, be lynched, and win. I don't know if this is looking too much into it but it is a possibility.wouldhave self-hammered. There's no question. Why would any Jester, given the chance, choose to not self-hammer just to get in a WIFOM situation? Of course he would self-hammer.
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This.forbiddanlight wrote:
Discuss too long and deadline puts us at no lynch. HOWEVER, the deadline is far enough away so that, while I plan to see your lynch Rishi (unless someone comes out scummier), we have time to talk without too much worry.How can more discussion possibly be bad?
One thing I'd like to note as odd is the speed that this Rishi-wagon suddenly took off, with Xtoxm and The Jester hopping on it with no thought at all. As much as it pains me to say it, Skruffs has a point here.
Also, even though Apothecary explained his vote later on, this post irks me...
He agreed with someone's nonexistant argument without reading it. Was he thinking of someone else's post?Apothecary wrote:Apothecary wrote:I have to agree with The Jester, Rishi is acting very scummy.
Vote: RishiApothecary wrote:Ignore the above the post. I thought someone made a valid arguement.FoS Apothecaryanyway.- Crazy
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That post you quoted was referring to Skruffs. If Xtoxm agreed with Skruffs, then why did he think he was acting jestery?Rishi wrote:
I think Xtoxm is town. There's this quote here and another post where he says he likes Skruffs' idea.Xtoxm wrote:Guys, he's acting jestery, like we all should be. Sheesh.
On another point, Skruffs said this one time:
This doesn't really go with his plan, at least as I understand it, because the plan depends on mafia trying to kill the Jester.Skruffs wrote: Actually, the mafia are not going to try and kill the jester, at least not at first, because the mafia also want to claim jester, adn killing the jester kills their only fake claim.- Crazy
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Lol, was that why you're not posting? Because you'reSun Tzu wrote:You think I'm probably not the jester. You're right, but your reasoning is wrong. If I was the jester I wouldn't post today, I would just get lynched for "lurking."The Jesterthe jester?
I don't agree with the plan myself, but I understand where they were coming from. And you must agree that Rishi's earlier actions do look intentionally scummy.Sun Tzu wrote:We're safer lynching Rishi since we know he's not the Jester. Also, the act jestery plan is retarded and a lot of what rishi is saying makes no sense at all. The town can't make plans based on a guess of how the scum might play. Acting jestery is stupid.
Rishi is looking quite pro-town, even though the last time I said that he turned up scum. I don't think he's a good lynch for today. I'd rather lynch cr3t1in, to be honest.Sun Tzu wrote: I don't understand why everyone unvoted because Rishi isn't the Jester. That makes him more likely to be scum. Even a random lynch of someone we are sure is not the jester is a good day 1 lynch.- Crazy
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You start a post telling Sun Tzu that that was WIFOM then you use the same argument yourself? Eh...?Kmd4390 wrote:Rishi wrote:
But this, of course, is WIFOM and could go either way. I usually loom at anything beginning with "if I were scum" as a null tell."Sun Tzu wrote: Also, Crazy, if I were scum, I would probably never have tried acting jestery.
Sun Tzu, I guess if you really were the jester, you probably would sit back and let us lynch you by default. That makes sense. This doesn't mean you are town though.- Crazy
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Yeah, but the thing that got me was that he acted jesterySkruffs wrote:Well.. I hope he wasn't the jester. People saying that the mafia will not act jestery had no reason to vote Sun Tzu, same with people who have said that townies shouldn't act jestery.afterhe was already going to be lynched. It just seemed like a final plea to not be lynched.- Crazy
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Were you thinking he was scum, or were you thinking he was the jester?
I've never known scum to kill scummy townies. The only two things the mafia would do would be to try to kill the jester, or try to kill a townie that's not gonna get lynched so easily.
I think it's odd that you brought that out, that someone was trying to frame you, or whatever.- Crazy
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I don't care for NK speculation too much. It has it's place, sure, but often it leads to a lot of WIFOM.Kmd4390 wrote:I thought that he may have been scum.
I'm just trying to speculate on why the NK went the way it did.
Here, I don't think so, though. I'm having trouble interpreting Apoth dying as anything but an attempted jester kill.- Crazy
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I'm sorry, but that's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. If the mafia were killing the people who were taking the game seriously, there are tons of better targets than Apothecary.Skruffs wrote:Apoth was one of the only players in the game who was deliberately trying to be protown. He was scum hunting and weighing the options. Scum killed him because they thought he was the most likely to take the game seriously and find one of them.
Now, obviously I don't want to be lynched... duh. And since Forbiddan and I have agreed on pretty much everything this whole game, I don't think she's a good lynch either.
While I understand Skruffs "act jestery" plan (or at least Rishi's interpretation of it), I still don't like it. I mean, it's like seriously affecting our ability to lynch the scummy people. And with all the WIFOM Skruffs has spread around, the jester could even be acting pro-town, which means that there really is no way to find safe lynches.
Kmd's my top suspect, but that's just a hunch. I'll have to do a reread.- Crazy
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I said this, regarding Rishi:Kmd wrote:Didn't you go after Rishi for putting out suspicion without a case earlier?
This is a bit different, I think. I don't plan on holding on to my suspicions. If I can find some scummy stuff in your posts, I'll be sure to post it.Crazy wrote: To me, Rishi is still the scummiest. I dunno, he's bouncing suspicions off the wall, but not actually posting his real suspicion on Kmd. And he seems to agree with Skruffs' plan of all of us acting jestery.- Crazy
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Eww, this seems weak to me. I'm currently alive in 5 mafia games and I never get them mixed up. It sounds a lot like you wanted an easy way to back out of your suspicions.Kmd wrote:Maybe I was thinking of another game but I thought it was about posting names without cases. Actually it was another game, I remember it now. It was my own suspicion against some one somewhere else.
Sorry for the confusion, I guess I play too much mafia.- Crazy
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Apoth seems like a jester kill. It just makes no sense as a town-kill. If I was scum, I probably would be jester-hunting, too.Skruffs wrote:I would like everyone to take a poll right now:
Are scum likely to be trying to kill the jester or townsfolk at this point?
If a huge majority think that scum are trying to kill the jester, why don't we just no lynch until the jester is dead?
And doesn't having the mafia kill the jester go against your own plan, Skruffs? As long as the jester is alive, the mafia is killing scummy townies for us. Wasn't that the whole point of your plan of having everyone act jestery? - Crazy
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