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Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:57 am

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/confirm

A lot of newbies in this game, eh?
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Post Post #15 (isolation #1) » Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:50 am

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Xtoxm wrote:
Can
I
post
in
all
pretty
colours
cause
it's
Jester
?


vote Ooba
Now don't you start that again.
Vote Xtoxm
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Post Post #18 (isolation #2) » Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:43 pm

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No, The Jester is obv Jester.
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Post Post #32 (isolation #3) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:48 am

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@raverblood: Most games here start with random voting. It's how discussion is started. You don't really have to worry about getting lynched soon; if you are, whoever put the last vote on you is going to look mega-suspicious.

We have no way to know if The Jester is The Jester or not. Saying that he was was just joking around. Mods decide who gets what roles randomly, so there's no way to really know. It would just be a hilarious coincidence if The Jester was indeed The Jester.

@cr3t1n: Please talk normally. That is all.
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Post Post #36 (isolation #4) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:23 am

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Rishi wrote:
Apothecary wrote:Out of interest, would this game end if the Jester was lynched, or would we continue till the normal ending?
Yes. The game ends. If the Jester wins, the rest of us lose.
In the last Jester game (Open 71) the game continued even after the Jester was lynched Day 1, although it was said that the Jester got 1st place, and the Mafia got 2nd place.

Either way, both the Town and Mafia want to make sure not to lynch the Jester.
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Post Post #38 (isolation #5) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:00 am

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Rishi wrote:
Crazy wrote:
Rishi wrote:
Apothecary wrote:Out of interest, would this game end if the Jester was lynched, or would we continue till the normal ending?
Yes. The game ends. If the Jester wins, the rest of us lose.
In the last Jester game (Open 71) the game continued even after the Jester was lynched Day 1, although it was said that the Jester got 1st place, and the Mafia got 2nd place.

Either way, both the Town and Mafia want to make sure not to lynch the Jester.
"Second place" is just a nice way of saying "loser." If the Jester gets lynched, then there's no point in playing any more.
2nd is better than 3rd, albeit no where close to 1st. I'm not going to ask for a replacement if the Jester is lynched and the game is continued.
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Post Post #41 (isolation #6) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:18 am

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Skruffs wrote:Okay. SO, Crazy and Apothecary are 2 of the three scum in this game.
o_0 Reasoning please.
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Post Post #62 (isolation #7) » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:46 am

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Apothecary wrote:Wait, where's The Jester (the actual user, not the role)? I haven't seen him post anything since confirmation and his voting of raverblood!
That was less than 2 days ago. It's too early in the game to find lurkers, anyway. Also, The Jester has posted more recently than Sun Tzu.

Err... Skruffs, was this a joke?
Skruffs wrote:My suggestion, correlary, is that we all pretend to be the jester. It keeps the mafia from completely random voting.
I assumed it was, but if it wasn't, then I don't believe it's useful at all.
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Post Post #65 (isolation #8) » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:24 pm

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raverblood wrote:i dont know. sure if we all act like jesters that would make the scum confused when random killing and everything but wouldnt that just also confuse us when trying to find the mafia to lynch? just a thought
Also, don't we
want
the Mafia to find and kill the Jester? Having everyone act like Jesters will disrupt their search for the Jester and our search for the Mafia.
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Post Post #70 (isolation #9) » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:44 am

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Rishi wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote:
vote cr3t1n


I'm willing to take the chance. We have to lynch someone.
Why cretin? He's annoying, but he's actually contributed more than you in this game.
You can call that "contributing?" Cr3tin is completely useless.
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Post Post #75 (isolation #10) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:03 am

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I'll bandwagon and agree with the above two posters.
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Post Post #83 (isolation #11) » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:07 pm

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Rishi wrote:Cretin is obviously not taking the game seriously. He's an idiot that'll likely be replaced soon. The posts show very little, but he's more annoying than scummy.
That's an option? He has a right to play the game in his own way now, doesn't he?

From your earlier post, it didn't sound like you thought that was an option...
Rishi wrote:What do we do about cretin, by the way? Eventually we're not going to be able to ignore him.

He has no prior games played, so I can't tell if it's a jester ploy. I definitely don't want him alive in a hypothetical endgame, though.
Rishi wrote:Also, how come when one player defends another, those players automatically become scumbuddies? Trying to set up some chain lynches there?
I don't care for this. The only way forbiddan could be setting up chain lynches was if a. She and Cr3tin were scum partners and b. She's bussing her partner on page 3 and c. She thinks that the town would buy that and automatically lynch Rishi Day 2.
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Post Post #96 (isolation #12) » Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:28 am

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Then what are we supposed to do? By this, all the scum could just act jestery and we'd never lynch them.
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Post Post #98 (isolation #13) » Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:01 am

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Kay, then.

Vote: Skruffs
for not making sense this whole game.
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Post Post #100 (isolation #14) » Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:53 pm

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Kmd wrote:Isn't scum more likely to leave scummy townies for possible next day lynches than simply NK them?
Yeah, in games without a jester.
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Post Post #102 (isolation #15) » Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:30 pm

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I'm not sure what of this was just randomness, but here...
Skruffs wrote:Who's acting the most protown?
Lynch them.
Skruffs wrote:Okay. SO, Crazy and Apothecary are 2 of the three scum in this game.
WHICH IS WHICH??
Skruffs wrote:My suggestion, correlary, is that we all pretend to be the jester. It keeps the mafia from completely random voting.
Skruffs wrote:How is it anti-town?

Unvote, Vote: Kmd4389

Did you think about it before you voted me, or did you vote me because at first glance it looked like I said something stupid and scummy?
Point of the vote was...?
Skruffs wrote: Actually, the mafia are not going to try and kill the jester, at least not at first, because the mafia also want to claim jester, adn killing the jester kills their only fake claim.
Couldn't disagree more here. The mafia want the jester NKed as much as the town.
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Post Post #110 (isolation #16) » Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:03 am

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About 3 people are acting jestery. They can't all be the jester.

IMO, if a scum acts like a jester, then that is a very risky gambit. It would be much easier to do what normal scum do, and act like town.

Town players in no way should
ever
act jestery. It's completely stupid and there's no reason to do it.

We will have to take a chance, and try to lynch someone that's scummy. But if someone looks outrageously scummy, we should probably wait to see if they get NKed. If they're not, then we can lynch them the next day.
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Post Post #117 (isolation #17) » Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:43 am

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Rishi wrote:Who are the three that you think are acting jestery?
Skruffs, as already pointed out, and cr3t1in and Xtoxm are more obvious.

I too would like to see raverblood's reasoning, or Xtoxm's reasoning if he had any.
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Post Post #126 (isolation #18) » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:16 am

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Skruffs wrote:Interesting.

You are agreeing with the very first thing I Said - that scum are going to act pro-town, and that scum acting like a jester is risky, and yet you say I am not making sense "this whole game"?

:/
Yes, but lynching the pro-town people isn't the answer. Do you do that in regular games?
Skruffs wrote:Why do you say this? What is your reasoning?
If the jester is lynched, everyone else loses. If the mafia make it seem like they're the jester, then their plan is busted when the real jester is NKed.
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Post Post #128 (isolation #19) » Sun Jul 20, 2008 2:36 am

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Rishi wrote:
Crazy wrote:
Skruffs wrote:Why do you say this? What is your reasoning?
If the jester is lynched, everyone else loses. If the mafia make it seem like they're the jester, then their plan is busted when the real jester is NKed.
Why do you assume that's the Mafia's plan?
This is hypothetical. I was answering Skruffs' question.

The mafia have two options. They can either:

a. Act like town, as they would in a normal game.
b. Act like a jester.

Now if two people are acting really jestery, and one is NKed and
was
the jester, then the other one is mighty scummy, no? Because town have no reason to act jestery.

Thus, I believe it is very risky for the mafia to act like the jester.

Skruffs was saying that the mafia want to claim jester, as it's their only fake claim. This is why I disagree.
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Post Post #135 (isolation #20) » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:05 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:
Crazy wrote:
Rishi wrote:
Crazy wrote:
Skruffs wrote:Why do you say this? What is your reasoning?
If the jester is lynched, everyone else loses. If the mafia make it seem like they're the jester, then their plan is busted when the real jester is NKed.
Why do you assume that's the Mafia's plan?
This is hypothetical. I was answering Skruffs' question.

The mafia have two options. They can either:

a. Act like town, as they would in a normal game.
b. Act like a jester.

Now if two people are acting really jestery, and one is NKed and
was
the jester, then the other one is mighty scummy, no? Because town have no reason to act jestery.

Thus, I believe it is very risky for the mafia to act like the jester.

Skruffs was saying that the mafia want to claim jester, as it's their only fake claim. This is why I disagree.
So what is your opinion on players acting jestery if the real jester ends up NK'd?

Are you saying they look scummy for doing so or scum probably wouldn't do this?

I'm thinking the first is probably more likely.
I'm saying they would look genuinely scummy, as in being actual scum.
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Post Post #138 (isolation #21) » Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:26 am

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Skruffs wrote:Well, considering my vote is only worth "1", where to lynch someone you need ">1", no, I do not "do" that in regular games. In this game, though, it is a fitting thing to try and do, as the jester is not likely to act protown adn the mafia are, also the mafia know that there are no cops or SKs so the threat of being exposed by acting pro town is reduced to 0 unless they themselves are lynched - which - if they are acting pro town, won't happen.
So... I'm not looking too pro-town right now, does that mean I'm off the hook?

No, this is not the reverse of mafia, it's a variation. We still have to try to lynch scum. How do we do that in regular games of mafia? By lynching who looks scummy. If it's later in the game, and the Jester is still around, then we have to be more careful. But now, let's focus on lynching scum, not "non-jesters."
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Post Post #146 (isolation #22) » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:17 am

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Skruffs wrote:If I were to choose, I'd prefer a Jester lynch day one over a Mafia lynch day 1.
Was that a typo? Because that makes absolutely no sense.
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Post Post #156 (isolation #23) » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:29 am

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I still don't get the purpose of acting jestery. It detracts from the mafia's jester-hunting, and our scum-hunting.
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Post Post #182 (isolation #24) » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:35 am

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How about this?

I have a strong suspicion that Skruffs is the Jester. Let's make the mafia kill Skruffs. If Skruffs doesn't die, then we lynch him the next day.

Skruffs would only not die if...

a. He is mafia.
b. He is not, and the mafia are very confident that he's not mafia.

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Post Post #188 (isolation #25) » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:33 am

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Grr, Rishi...

Skruff's plan
is
stupid. Don't the mafia
WANT
to find the jester? If so, then how will everyone looking like the Jester help? And it obviously won't help us find scum if everyone is acting scummy now, would it?

Please look at Skruff's actual argument instead of automatically buying the opinion of an experienced player.
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Post Post #189 (isolation #26) » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:38 am

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Rishi wrote:How are we sure what the Mafia will do? And, after you set up "We'll lynch Skruffs if he isn't dead," then why would they kill him unless they also think he's the jester?
If they don't and he is, then the mafia has screwed us over. If Skruffs is not mafia, I think he is definitely Jester. I mean, it's not like we can all flip a switch and act scummy/jestery. I mean, for that matter, why don't we all CLAIM?

-Town will claim Jester.
-Scum will claim Town.
-Jester will claim Scum.

Eh? Is that what you figure will happen, Skruffs?
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Post Post #192 (isolation #27) » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:52 am

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Rishi wrote:You think Skruffs is acting more jestery than, say, Xtoxm?
Xtoxm is so jestery that he's not jestery. It's like he wants people to think he's the Jester, and that is not jestery. I have no idea what the heck he's doing, but I hope eventually he'll have a serious presence in the game.
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Post Post #199 (isolation #28) » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:43 am

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Rishi, what's up? You start off with me, then try to get suspicion on Xtoxm, and then Sun Tzu. That's a bit odd.

Vote: Rishi
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Post Post #213 (isolation #29) » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:44 am

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Good answer, cr3t1in. :P
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Post Post #229 (isolation #30) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:28 am

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Rishi, why wouldn't you want to lynch Cr3t1n? All he does is make baseless suspicions. I don't find that particularly helpful.
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Post Post #231 (isolation #31) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:50 am

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Kmd wrote:The idea is to lynch scum, not players who aren't helping much.

Do you see anything scummy in what cr3t1n is doing?

Who seems scummy to you so far?
Rishi wants to lynch Xtoxm and Sun Tzu. They aren't helpful, but how are they scummy? How is what they've doing different from Cr3t1n?

To me, Rishi is still the scummiest. I dunno, he's bouncing suspicions off the wall, but not actually posting his real suspicion on Kmd. And he seems to agree with Skruffs' plan of all of us acting jestery.
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Post Post #237 (isolation #32) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:03 pm

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Xtoxm is acting blatantly Jesterish... not sure what that means though... but it's either scummy or a stupid town move.
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Post Post #250 (isolation #33) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:00 am

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Skruffs wrote:Thank you for confirming me as not mafia.
Unvote, Vote: Crazy
Obviously you didn't read the rest of that post.
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Post Post #261 (isolation #34) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:55 am

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Kmd wrote:Yes, that is jester WIFOM that maybe he didn't self hammer so now he can act scummy, be lynched, and win. I don't know if this is looking too much into it but it is a possibility.
Do you realize how ridiculous that is? If he was the Jester he
would
have self-hammered. There's no question. Why would any Jester, given the chance, choose to not self-hammer just to get in a WIFOM situation? Of course he would self-hammer.

Rishi is definitely not the Jester.
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Post Post #266 (isolation #35) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:58 am

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forbiddanlight wrote:
How can more discussion possibly be bad?
Discuss too long and deadline puts us at no lynch. HOWEVER, the deadline is far enough away so that, while I plan to see your lynch Rishi (unless someone comes out scummier), we have time to talk without too much worry.
This.

One thing I'd like to note as odd is the speed that this Rishi-wagon suddenly took off, with Xtoxm and The Jester hopping on it with no thought at all. As much as it pains me to say it, Skruffs has a point here.

Also, even though Apothecary explained his vote later on, this post irks me...
Apothecary wrote:
Apothecary wrote:I have to agree with The Jester, Rishi is acting very scummy.
Vote: Rishi
Apothecary wrote:Ignore the above the post. I thought someone made a valid arguement.
He agreed with someone's nonexistant argument without reading it. Was he thinking of someone else's post?
FoS Apothecary
anyway.
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Post Post #268 (isolation #36) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:27 am

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Kmd4390 wrote:The Jester (player, not role) still hasn't answered my question.

Why vote Rishi without posting reasoning?
Agreed. He should answer this.
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Post Post #275 (isolation #37) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:07 pm

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Kmd wrote:Crazy, you have yet to answer my questions.
I guess I missed them, sorry. What were they? What you just quoted there wasn't a question.
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Post Post #277 (isolation #38) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:42 pm

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Oh, well some discussion can't hurt, right? But we shouldn't postpone it too long, as a No Lynch is incredibly anti-town.
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Post Post #287 (isolation #39) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:20 am

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Rishi, how the heck does the Skruffs plan even work? If it's in the mafia's benefit to kill the Jester, like you just said, then how would everyone acting like Jesters help?
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Post Post #289 (isolation #40) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:14 am

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Oooh, I get it now.

Unvote
, and I now believe Skruffs is town as well.

That leaves... who to be the Jester? Apothecary? Xtoxm?
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Post Post #293 (isolation #41) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:02 am

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Rishi wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:
Guys, he's acting jestery, like we all should be. Sheesh.
I think Xtoxm is town. There's this quote here and another post where he says he likes Skruffs' idea.
That post you quoted was referring to Skruffs. If Xtoxm agreed with Skruffs, then why did he think he was acting jestery?

On another point, Skruffs said this one time:
Skruffs wrote: Actually, the mafia are not going to try and kill the jester, at least not at first, because the mafia also want to claim jester, adn killing the jester kills their only fake claim.
This doesn't really go with his plan, at least as I understand it, because the plan depends on mafia trying to kill the Jester.
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Post Post #303 (isolation #42) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 6:27 am

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Skruffs wrote:tHE jester is much more likely trying to avoid being NK'd while acting scummy so is trying to find and act like he's one of the goons.
Woah, you sure know a lot about people's motives... you think everyone acts with a load of WIFOM like that?
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Post Post #311 (isolation #43) » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:19 am

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Skruffs wrote:THat was in regards to the person who has the role jester, not the playe r"The Jester".
And yes, I speculate a lot abou setups. Day one is the very best time for speculation. You get reactions and then later on you can look at how people reacted.
Oh, duh, I'm an idiot.
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Post Post #324 (isolation #44) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:02 am

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Sun Tzu wrote:You think I'm probably not the jester. You're right, but your reasoning is wrong. If I was the jester I wouldn't post today, I would just get lynched for "lurking."
Lol, was that why you're not posting? Because you're
The Jester
the jester?
Sun Tzu wrote:We're safer lynching Rishi since we know he's not the Jester. Also, the act jestery plan is retarded and a lot of what rishi is saying makes no sense at all. The town can't make plans based on a guess of how the scum might play. Acting jestery is stupid.
I don't agree with the plan myself, but I understand where they were coming from. And you must agree that Rishi's earlier actions do look intentionally scummy.
Sun Tzu wrote: I don't understand why everyone unvoted because Rishi isn't the Jester. That makes him more likely to be scum. Even a random lynch of someone we are sure is not the jester is a good day 1 lynch.
Rishi is looking quite pro-town, even though the last time I said that he turned up scum. I don't think he's a good lynch for today. I'd rather lynch cr3t1in, to be honest.
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Post Post #328 (isolation #45) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:38 am

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Kmd4390 wrote:
Rishi wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote: Also, Crazy, if I were scum, I would probably never have tried acting jestery.
But this, of course, is WIFOM and could go either way. I usually loom at anything beginning with "if I were scum" as a null tell."

Sun Tzu, I guess if you really were the jester, you probably would sit back and let us lynch you by default. That makes sense. This doesn't mean you are town though.
You start a post telling Sun Tzu that that was WIFOM then you use the same argument yourself? Eh...?
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Post Post #332 (isolation #46) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:44 pm

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Xtoxm wrote:
So, we have 3 days till deadline. Are we gonna lynch him or what? Seriously, we're heading for No Lynch.
Who are you referring to, exactly? Rishi?
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Post Post #344 (isolation #47) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:43 am

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Sun Tzu is scaring me now.
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Post Post #347 (isolation #48) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:04 am

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Yeah, I'm gonna have to agree... Sun Tzu's recent jesterish behavior seems a lot like a desperate plee not be be lynched...

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Post Post #353 (isolation #49) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:47 am

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Aww, it was a lynch before I even voted... I've nevered hammered before.

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Post Post #356 (isolation #50) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:49 am

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Oh, yeah. For some reason I was thinking that there were 9 people in this game...
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Post Post #366 (isolation #51) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:54 am

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Skruffs wrote:Well.. I hope he wasn't the jester. People saying that the mafia will not act jestery had no reason to vote Sun Tzu, same with people who have said that townies shouldn't act jestery.
Yeah, but the thing that got me was that he acted jestery
after
he was already going to be lynched. It just seemed like a final plea to not be lynched.
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Post Post #398 (isolation #52) » Mon Aug 04, 2008 1:56 am

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Yeah, the mafia must have been trying to hit the jester. I mean, there's no other reason why Apoth would be killed.

I suppose this works well according to Skrishi's plan, although it still makes me nervous that we still have to worry about a jester out there.

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Post Post #406 (isolation #53) » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:04 pm

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Were you thinking he was scum, or were you thinking he was the jester?

I've never known scum to kill scummy townies. The only two things the mafia would do would be to try to kill the jester, or try to kill a townie that's not gonna get lynched so easily.

I think it's odd that you brought that out, that someone was trying to frame you, or whatever.
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Post Post #408 (isolation #54) » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:12 pm

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Kmd4390 wrote:I thought that he may have been scum.

I'm just trying to speculate on why the NK went the way it did.
I don't care for NK speculation too much. It has it's place, sure, but often it leads to a lot of WIFOM.

Here, I don't think so, though. I'm having trouble interpreting Apoth dying as anything but an attempted jester kill.
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Post Post #417 (isolation #55) » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:12 pm

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Skruffs wrote:Apoth was one of the only players in the game who was deliberately trying to be protown. He was scum hunting and weighing the options. Scum killed him because they thought he was the most likely to take the game seriously and find one of them.
I'm sorry, but that's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. If the mafia were killing the people who were taking the game seriously, there are tons of better targets than Apothecary.

Now, obviously I don't want to be lynched... duh. And since Forbiddan and I have agreed on pretty much everything this whole game, I don't think she's a good lynch either.

While I understand Skruffs "act jestery" plan (or at least Rishi's interpretation of it), I still don't like it. I mean, it's like seriously affecting our ability to lynch the scummy people. And with all the WIFOM Skruffs has spread around, the jester could even be acting pro-town, which means that there really is no way to find safe lynches.

Kmd's my top suspect, but that's just a hunch. I'll have to do a reread.
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Post Post #422 (isolation #56) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:58 am

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Wait a second...

Skruffs, you say the mafia would
not
want to kill the jester as that is their only fake claim.

Yet, you think that the mafia will be the ones that are trying to act the most pro-town

Those two statements don't exactly go together...
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Post Post #428 (isolation #57) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:27 pm

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Kmd wrote:Didn't you go after Rishi for putting out suspicion without a case earlier?
I said this, regarding Rishi:
Crazy wrote: To me, Rishi is still the scummiest. I dunno, he's bouncing suspicions off the wall, but not actually posting his real suspicion on Kmd. And he seems to agree with Skruffs' plan of all of us acting jestery.
This is a bit different, I think. I don't plan on holding on to my suspicions. If I can find some scummy stuff in your posts, I'll be sure to post it. :)
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Post Post #430 (isolation #58) » Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:12 pm

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Kmd wrote:Maybe I was thinking of another game but I thought it was about posting names without cases. Actually it was another game, I remember it now. It was my own suspicion against some one somewhere else.

Sorry for the confusion, I guess I play too much mafia.
Eww, this seems weak to me. I'm currently alive in 5 mafia games and I never get them mixed up. It sounds a lot like you wanted an easy way to back out of your suspicions.
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Post Post #437 (isolation #59) » Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:31 am

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Skruffs wrote:I would like everyone to take a poll right now:
Are scum likely to be trying to kill the jester or townsfolk at this point?
If a huge majority think that scum are trying to kill the jester, why don't we just no lynch until the jester is dead?
Apoth seems like a jester kill. It just makes no sense as a town-kill. If I was scum, I probably would be jester-hunting, too.

And doesn't having the mafia kill the jester go against your own plan, Skruffs? As long as the jester is alive, the mafia is killing scummy townies for us. Wasn't that the whole point of your plan of having everyone act jestery?
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Post Post #439 (isolation #60) » Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:34 am

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Xtoxm wrote:
If a huge majority think that scum are trying to kill the jester, why don't we just no lynch until the jester is dead?
Apart from anything, because it's not in the spirit of the game. But if we do that, they will just kill townies until it's get near lylo because they know there is no danger of Jester being lynched next day, probably...
Yeah, I didn't realize that, but this is a good point. They'd probably end up killing a bunch of townies first, if they knew we were just going to NL.
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Post Post #442 (isolation #61) » Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:31 am

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Umm, where'd the conversation go?

On another note, I'm a bit suspicious of The Jester. He seems to lurk quite a bit, and when he posts, he seems to just drop in with the popular, non-controversial opinion.
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Post Post #444 (isolation #62) » Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:18 am

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forbiddanlight wrote:Well, what do you see the odds of The Jester being the jester as? I can see your point on him :P. But I still don't like the "Act like a jester sting like a bee" plan proposed.
He's not really acting jestery, so the chances of him being the jester I think are pretty low. My best guesses for the jester would be raverblood or Skruffs.
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Post Post #446 (isolation #63) » Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:35 am

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Well, this game is a lot of WIFOM. I always knew it would be, but when I signed up I didn't know it would be this bad.

A good thing to note, though, is that the jester probably didn't know all this when he signed up for the game... so everyone's earlier behavior will be much less WIFOM-y. That's mainly why I think raverblood has a strong chance of being the jester, from his really weird unvote of his random TJ-vote at the top of page 2/3.

The Jester never really did anything jestery, so I think he's a relatively safe lynch.
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Post Post #448 (isolation #64) » Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:27 am

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forbiddanlight wrote:

The Jester never really did anything jestery, so I think he's a relatively safe lynch.
But is he a
good
lynch? I gave in to Sun Tzu due to deadline. I won't give in to another lynch I don't feel good about.
Yeah, you're right, but we're not even close to deadline, so we have time to find out who's scummy.
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Post Post #450 (isolation #65) » Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:47 am

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Jester, The wrote:Skruffs already explained his plan, and a jester wanting everyone to ask jestery doesn't make sense.
Someone that's acting jestery while trying to convince us that he's not the jester doesn't make sense. (?)
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Post Post #457 (isolation #66) » Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:29 pm

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Kmd wrote:The only thing about skruffs that has me confused is that people followed the plan. If he was the jester proposing this plan, would so many people have jumped on it? If he was scum, would his buddies really throw themselves out there like that?

My assumption is that the acting jestery thing is a town plan. Townies probably agreed with it. I didn't. Some people did though and I really don't think scum would do that.
So you're trying to convince us that Skruffs is town. Your logic is very poor.

1. Just because townies agreed with Skruffs' plan does not mean Skruffs is town. Scum could very well post something that townies agree with.
2. If Skruffs was the jester proposing this plan, we wouldn't know that.
3. Why don't you believe that scum would agree with Skruffs' plan? The way I see it, it lets the scum easily blend in without posting any real content.

The rest of your post is mainly baseless WIFOM.

Vote Kmd

Kmd wrote:I think Crazy completely understood it but went against it. I'll have to go back and look at this.
I understand Rishi's interpretation of it, but Skruffs confuses me so dearly.
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Post Post #464 (isolation #67) » Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:32 am

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raverblood wrote:has he ever really giving a reason for any of his votes?
No. But at least he's scum-hunting inside his head and voicing his suspicions.

Unless if he's scum of course. But if he is scum, I doubt we'd ever be able to find any scum-tells from him.
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Post Post #471 (isolation #68) » Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:11 am

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Skruffs wrote:If I was a jester, why would I want everyone else to draw attention away from me.
If you were town and purposely acting jestery, why would you be trying to convince us that you
weren't
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Post Post #474 (isolation #69) » Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:46 am

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Forbiddan, I believe by "3 scum" Skruffs meant the jester, too as some sort of separate faction.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #70) » Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:14 am

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I'm not agreeing with everything Forbiddan says anymore, but his reaction to the suspicion against him makes me think he's likely town.

I can't get much of a read from Skruffs, although overall he sounds a bit too crazy to be mafia. Town or jester is what I'm thinking.

Raverblood is my top jester suspect. I seriously hope the scum kill him; I can't deal with this WIFOM anymore.

Rishi is the most pro-town in this game, mainly from the wild gambit he pulled Day 1, and since then his comments have been right on point.

Xtoxm's posts are to the point and his points are all pretty good. He went along with Skruffs' plan before anyone else did, so that must say something.

The Jester and Kmd are my top suspects.

(And guess who I left out)
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Post Post #500 (isolation #71) » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:20 am

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Rishi wrote: This discussion about whether people should or should not act jestery is DEAD. I don't see how this discussion continues to be productive. Let's scumhunt, please.
Mega-QFT. I'm drowning in the WIFOM here.
Kmd wrote:Any case? Is it just because I went against the jestery plan(you did the same)? Why The Jester? Because he got a vote early but hasn't really been looked at through the rest of the day? Cases to support your suspicions are helpful.
You and The Jester are the only people that...
a. I'm not afraid to lynch because I think they could be the jester.
b. I think are genuinely pro-town in their actions.

My vote for you comes mainly from your recent WIFOM-sandwich convincing us that Skruffs was town, and to vote for forbiddan and me because we oppose the plan, when really you've been doing the same thing.

Jester seems to chime in every once in a while and post easy points, and hasn't done much in the way of scum-hunting.
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Post Post #502 (isolation #72) » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:54 am

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Whoops, I forgot the word "don't" in there.
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Post Post #505 (isolation #73) » Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:53 am

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Kmd wrote:Ok, I think your case on TJ is similar to xtoxm's. These are good points though.
Xtoxm went for the act-jestery plan before it was popular. That's why I think he is likely town.

For you, Post 454 is what I was referring to. I also think your Post 429 sounds incredibly fake.
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Post Post #511 (isolation #74) » Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:51 am

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I would like to see cr3t1n build a case. It might even be good.
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Post Post #513 (isolation #75) » Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:06 am

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raverblood wrote:sorry i havent been on as of late. for cr3t1n. i have a large feeling hes jester or.. trying to hard to act like scum to make people think it.
Hmm, I don't agree with you there. Cr3t1n did the exact same thing in another game, so I'm thinking that this role-playing stuffz is just what he does, regardless of role.
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Post Post #523 (isolation #76) » Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:05 pm

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forbiddanlight wrote:
All I really have is gut, and it's thinking Crazy is mafia.
Hi, OMGUS!
*gasp* Chainsaw defense! I think me and you are scum-partners!

Actually, I'm fine with "gut" votes, although eventually they should be explained as best as possible. I believe my gut has a better accuracy rate than my mind.
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Post Post #526 (isolation #77) » Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:13 pm

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The Wiki wrote:Chainsaw Defense (Tarhalindur Version)

The general form of this tell is "a player who defends another player by attacking the other player's attacker is very probably scum".
If you did that for someone else besides me, then I'd find it suspicious. But since I know I'm town, obviously I don't.
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Post Post #543 (isolation #78) » Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:10 am

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I think Kmd is worse than TJ. This is
not
an excuse not to scum-hunt, because there are quite a few people in this game that can easily be stamped as non-jester:
Kmd wrote:Maybe I'm just being to careful knowing that there is a jester in this game...
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Post Post #550 (isolation #79) » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:22 pm

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Rishi wrote:I pretty strongly feel Skruffs is town, for the record.
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Post Post #560 (isolation #80) » Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:39 am

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You know, this whole "NK me, mafia" thing could still be a jester ploy. Think about it.

-Skruffs tells the mafia to NK him.
-The mafia don't for some reason.
-That piles suspicion on Skruffs.
-Skruffs is lynched.
-Skruffs wins.

That's a big bite of WIFOM, but it shows that Skruffs saying that doesn't mean that he's not the jester. And I have no idea why either scum or town would say that.

Rishi, are you up to something again?
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Post Post #561 (isolation #81) » Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:40 am

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Xtoxm wrote:
Deadline coming up shortly, who shall we kill?
I still want Kmd.
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Post Post #564 (isolation #82) » Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:05 am

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The deadline is the 31st. That's a little over a week.
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Post Post #581 (isolation #83) » Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:11 pm

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cr3t1n wrote:
The Jester wrote:
Vote: Kmd


Not really any good points, and I guess he would be my third suspect. Crazy and forbiddan are my top suspects. This isn't too bad.

I'll try to be checking in later.
l0l u vote him n u wer mor suspishus of crazy n crazy was votin him

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Hey, cool, you actually said something useful.
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Post Post #591 (isolation #84) » Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:19 am

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Xtoxm wrote:
Note also that this is lylo for town, pretty much. Unless scum NK Jester tonight. Because Jester alive tomorrow would have no reason to lynch anyone other than himself, and scum would not be lynchable.
If the jester did that, then wouldn't that make it obvious who the jester was? If everyone knows who the jester is, then there is no chance of him winning.
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Post Post #592 (isolation #85) » Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:20 am

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forbiddanlight wrote:Holy hell. Skruffs was town?

Vote: TJ
. I think he hammered realizing that a lot of people might not notice it was the hammer.
Also, hammering a townie is not a scum-tell.
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Post Post #608 (isolation #86) » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:53 am

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I think the Skruffs kill could have been either an attempted jester-kill or a town kill, since it didn't look like Skruffs was going to get lynched anyway. However, I still think the Apothecary kill was definite evidence that the mafia were looking to kill the jester.

I don't see why everybody (except Xtoxm) wants to lynch me and Forbiddan. I haven't seen any real case on either of us, which certainly makes me think that we're the scum lynch-targets for whatever reason.
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Post Post #611 (isolation #87) » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:07 am

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TJ wrote:I'm sure Crazy and or Forbiddan are mafia. So even if we lose, I'll at least be able to say I called it.
Rishi wrote:I would be okay with a Crazy or forbiddan lynch. I'd need to re-read to consider lynching The Jester (player).
I was responding to those posts. And you should know that "overdefensive" arguments suck so bad.
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Post Post #614 (isolation #88) » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:06 am

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The Jester wrote:They do, but you're still exaggerating your predicament.

Vote: Crazy
So what, you decide I'm scum and
then
you try to look for scummy stuff in my posts? Kind of backwards, isn't it?

I'd vote you, but I don't want to put you at L-1.
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Post Post #621 (isolation #89) » Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:52 am

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TJ, what was your case on me and/or forbiddan yesterday?
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Post Post #623 (isolation #90) » Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:03 pm

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I am.

Vote: The Jester


Nothing like putting someone at L-1 to get discussion going.
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Post Post #634 (isolation #91) » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:04 am

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So The Jester's not The Jester, then.

Cr3t1n was in Ehobanohar briefly. He posted the same way. So he's a null-tell. He could be anything.

Raverblood is probably the Jester. It's gotta be either him or cr3t1n, since there's no other option.

I don't get the big deal about 2-2-1 being an auto-loss for the town. The jester could vote someone else besides himself and still win the next day if that person was mafia.
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Post Post #638 (isolation #92) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:51 am

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So what, if I act jestery like Xtoxm I can get off the hook? It's stupid to say that mafia will act pro-town, since
that's
the way to get lynched. If you act jestery, everyone will be too afraid to pay you any attention at all! Xtoxm is scum, I bet. If he was the real jester, he could have gotten himself lynched by now.
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Post Post #640 (isolation #93) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:07 pm

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The Jester wrote:Slip, perhaps?
For whom?
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Post Post #642 (isolation #94) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:14 pm

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We lynched Kmd. The next people that everybody is looking to lynch are you, me, and forbiddan. Guess what? ALL ARE ACTING LIKE TOWN!

Yeah, maybe we're "looking" at everyone, but come on, tell me what are the chances of Xtoxm getting lynched today? Of raverblood? Cr3t1n? They can't ALL be the jester, which means the other two are faking. And seriously, faking trying to be the jester at this stage of the game is incredibly stupid. At this point, having the jester alive helps scum more than town, because of endgame scenarios. So seriously,
stop it.
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Post Post #644 (isolation #95) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:22 pm

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The Jester wrote:I was acting like town? You weren't saying that before, neither was forbiddan I believe. Yet you're both voting me. I do not think you or forbiddan are acting like town either..which is why I'm thinking you're both mafia.

No, but they also can't all be mafia. Who says all three are acting like jesters?
I mean that you're trying to look pro-town, as opposed to trying to look like the jester. I know I'm town. If you're town, that's even more proof that this idea that "OMG PRO-TOWN PEOPLE ARE SCUM" is retarded.

Seriously, with those 3, one could be the jester and the other two could be mafia. Or 1 could be mafia, 1 could be jester, and 1 could be a stupid townie.
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Post Post #646 (isolation #96) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:30 pm

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Xtoxm wrote:
What's with the attack, Crazy? Especially when i'm just about the only one not attacking you. Trying to earn my vote?
Some attention needed drawn to you.
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Post Post #648 (isolation #97) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:34 pm

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Xtoxm wrote:
And why is that?
Because I think you're acting jestery to not get lynched, not to get lynched. I think the real jester would be more subtle about it, like Rishi was Day 1.
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Post Post #650 (isolation #98) » Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:39 pm

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Xtoxm wrote:
I acted jestery because it's Jester Mafia. I came into the game with the intention of doing so before I got my role. Now that it's pretty much lylo, i'm not. What makes you say I am still acting Jestery?
So, when you've been mindlessly attacking TJ, that wasn't acting jestery?
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Post Post #666 (isolation #99) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:43 am

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I don't support a cr3t1n lynch. Scum might act jestery to avoid being lynched, but due to him doing the same thing in other games, I think cr3t1n is just acting this way for the heck of it.
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Post Post #668 (isolation #100) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:49 am

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forbiddanlight wrote:
I don't support a cr3t1n lynch. Scum might act jestery to avoid being lynched, but due to him doing the same thing in other games, I think cr3t1n is just acting this way for the heck of it.
Yes, but we are close enough to lylo so I'd rather not see him there, and there is also the fact that he has been of no help to the town, and chances are higher that he's scum.
If anything, he's more likely to be the jester than scum. I'm not going to risk the game lynching someone that I think is more likely to be the jester than scum.
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Post Post #671 (isolation #101) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:17 am

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TJ was at L-1. He didn't self-hammer. He isn't the jester.

Cr3t1n is a likely jester target and he he's not even scummy, just a nuisance.

Please see that TJ is a much better lynch.
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Post Post #674 (isolation #102) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:24 am

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Xtoxm wrote:
Crazy defend him is interesting. It makes me think he's worried about him being Jester because he is mafia...
I'd be worried about him being the jester whether I was town OR mafia.
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Post Post #675 (isolation #103) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:26 am

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forbiddanlight wrote:


Cr3t1n is a likely jester target and he he's not even scummy, just a nuisance.
Ok, so, you are telling me that stuff any player worth their salt would get on ANYONE ELSE for can be excused in cretin? Unfounded suspicions, relative lurking, no reasonings whatsoever, basically NO SCUMHUNTING?
No, nobody else could be excused for it. But cr3t1n is an idiot; it's his meta. And unfortunately, it isn't fair, but I'd rather catch scum than worry if the game was "fair."
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Post Post #680 (isolation #104) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:34 am

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Xtoxm wrote:
Well, why are the rest of us not worried? It is mafia who have to worry about lynching the Jester. Crazy's reaction does look very much like mafia to me. What do you guys think?
Umm, what the? If the Jester is lynched, EVERYONE loses.
The Jester wrote:We've risked a jester lynch two times now, you kind of have to in this set-up.
Not if we lynch you or forbiddan or Rishi.
forbiddan wrote:I think you are giving him far too much of a free pass. Even if it's his meta, it's entirely possible he entered that other game for the sole purpose of furthering it. Townies don't need to do that.
Forbiddan, earlier you were arguing that this whole nonsense with cr3t1n was a null-tell. Now that there's a wagon for him you give it your full support? What's up with that?
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Post Post #683 (isolation #105) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:39 am

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Xtoxm wrote:
Yes, but the only reason I can think of for this reaction from Crazy, is that he is mafia with Raver, and with me and Forbiddan not looking much like the Jester, him basically knowing Cretin is mafia. Anyone think that makes sense?
No. I am town. And I'm not going to risk this whole game by lynching someone who is likely to be the jester and isn't even scummy in the first bit.
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Post Post #684 (isolation #106) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:39 am

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I'd be equally opposed to lynching Raver, btw.
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Post Post #687 (isolation #107) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:41 am

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Xtoxm wrote:
If Crazy was town, there is NO reason for him not to hammer Cretin right now.


Unvote


While I wait
You sure you're not still trying to act jestery? What do you mean I have no reason to not hammer Cr3t1n?
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Post Post #691 (isolation #108) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:44 am

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Xtoxm wrote:
Crazy wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:
If Crazy was town, there is NO reason for him not to hammer Cretin right now.


Unvote


While I wait
You sure you're not still trying to act jestery? What do you mean I have no reason to not hammer Cr3t1n?
I am quite certain. If you are town, you should have no qualm with voting for Cretin right now.
*blink* Why? Was there something I missed in the rules that said the town doesn't have to worry about lynching the jester?
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Post Post #693 (isolation #109) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:48 am

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Xtoxm, please tell me how me not wanting to lynch some random person you pulled off the street makes me obvscum?
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Post Post #695 (isolation #110) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:50 am

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Xtoxm wrote:
Crazy wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:
Crazy wrote:
Xtoxm wrote:
If Crazy was town, there is NO reason for him not to hammer Cretin right now.


Unvote


While I wait
You sure you're not still trying to act jestery? What do you mean I have no reason to not hammer Cr3t1n?
I am quite certain. If you are town, you should have no qualm with voting for Cretin right now.
*blink* Why? Was there something I missed in the rules that said the town doesn't have to worry about lynching the jester?
I repeat, if you were town, you would vote for Cretin.
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Post Post #704 (isolation #111) » Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:01 pm

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Xtoxm wrote:
Ok, well i'm going to put my vote back on then, if i'm disagreed with. But Crazy being town makes no sense given his recent actions.


Vote Cretin
Xtoxm, you just blew it.

If I'm obvscum for the reasoning you provide, that could only possibly mean that Cr3t1n was the jester. And yet you just voted him.

Unvote
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Post Post #713 (isolation #112) » Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:37 am

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*sigh* I have no idea why you guys decided to wagon cr3t1n out of nowhere. I mean, I thought it was pretty obvious that the jester was either him or raver. Rishi and TJ had been explicitly proven by getting put at L-1, forbiddan and me were both obviously trying to look pro-town, and as I said before, Xtoxm was way too obvious about it to be the jester.

I should congratulate Xtoxm for figuring out me and raver. I have no idea why he put his vote back on the cr3t1n wagon, though.

Still, even if this had gone according to plan and TJ was lynched Day 3, the game would have most likely ended with cr3t1n having to decide whether the mafia or town won.

I guess we gotta congratulate cr3t1n, he did win after all, although I wouldn't call his play good jester play in any regard. I still want to know who's alt he is. :P
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Post Post #715 (isolation #113) » Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:48 am

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Apothecary was an attempt to hit the jester.

Night 2 I pretty much knew the jester was either Skruffs or cr3t1n. Since Skruffs was more likely to vote me than cr3t1n was, I picked Skruffs.
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Post Post #718 (isolation #114) » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:03 am

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Xtoxm wrote:If Crazy was going to NK Cretin, then that may well have led to a town win, lol.
Yeah, I realized that, so I wouldn't have killed Cr3t1n the following night because that would have almost been an automatic Crazy-raver are the scum thing. My only hope would be that the game got to a 2-2-1.
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Post Post #725 (isolation #115) » Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:50 pm

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I guess he wanted a chance to act like an idiot without getting his reputation ruined.
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Post Post #728 (isolation #116) » Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:23 am

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That's right, which is why I was asserting it as a null-tell.

And I just noticed, this game had no replacements. I think that's awesome.
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