Everything Is Still A Lie v2 [Canceled]

[insomnia]

VOTE: Chemist1422

If I can't have you, nobody can.

[insomnia]

What a wonderful avi you lovers have. Wish I had one of those.

[insomnia]

So the course of logical course of action is that town has to lynch flip

and I will use my night vig on Korina

[insomnia]

fuck

[insomnia]

Chemist, what do you think of Hectic's vote, if I gave you the information that Hectic and I only played one game where I was scum?

Also, sorry for my lack of manners here, Hectic. It's nice seeing you, once again, dear friend. Hope all's well. Seen you doing good and stuff. spec'd some games.

[insomnia]

Actually you might be right, but, in the context that Hectic only knows of one scum game and in the context where I haven't even spoke with him / had any game with him on this site for like 4 months, still tells you nothing about his vote?

[insomnia]

is this a boq roleplay?

[insomnia]

By the way, Chemist, if you're a survivor just claim it right now.

also, pledge your allegiance to the cult or we might be required to use some ability that's totally not broken and hinders with your wincon.

[insomnia]

what cult tbh

You'll soon find out.

[insomnia]

Also, sorry for my lack of manners here, Hectic. It's nice seeing you, once again, dear friend. Hope all's well. Seen you doing good and stuff. spec'd some games.

Good to see you too, friend. You were the first strong, independent scum figure I witnessed on this site, and for that, you will always be scum to me. <3
In a good way.

-Hectic

You must've had some shit scum figures before me.

[insomnia]

Through logical deduction, Minstrel slot has whispers, they just used the wrong format for the whispers.

It is known in the ToS realm that only witches whisper. Kill the heretics. Burn them with fire. The purifying fire that burns out the very epitome of evilness.

Alright, I town told enough for today. Now I'll focus on

observing

you heretics. Beware.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mobtxEJHhY4[/youtube]

[insomnia]

that's embarrassing

[insomnia]

VOTE: Menstrel

serious vote

night night

[insomnia]

Drew's dangerous, but in my experience, insomnia's usually scum.
VOTE: insomnia

-Hectic

-mm

Why not follow up with a vote here? What does this post tell you?

[insomnia]

VOTE: insomnia[/vote[

- Turkey

Oh, so the IC modifier works, I thought Korina lied to me

[insomnia]

This game’s gonna be fluff up til like page 20

I say we spend the time getting to know each other and whoever doesn’t take part in the process of bonding is gonna get lynched.

P-edit : so why not ask them if they were serious or not instead of posting that android emote

[insomnia]

I see, I like your reasoning.

I was tempted to give a town lean on gobble because reasons but like upon thinking about it more, I actually don’t get why he’d vote me here. I am operating under the assumption he felt something fishy about me and wanted to place an actual vote that’s not rvs.

[insomnia]

Korina is 200% mod-confirmed Cult (and unlynchable anyway) so I wouldn't bother about trying to sort Korina.

insomnia feels towny maybe, the push to play the game feels honest

I'm also feeling good about Minstrel

ObviousScum is likely a town PR trolling with the goonclaim

if I had to pick a scum right this second I feel alright with insomnia...

-TL

Sorry?

[insomnia]

No, I mean you called me town and then scum within one line of each other

[insomnia]

I’d rather not talk about it. I retracted it. The point of the post was to ask why he voted me there.

[insomnia]

wait do y’all plan on taking this game seriously tbh

Lynch, why’d you feel that my scum claiming there was more truthful than any other one? We had like 6 people claiming goons and jesters

P-edit : you’re right

[insomnia]

I honestly don’t know why I quoted that

It’s late, I’mma go to sleep again

[insomnia]

Since when is ending a day less then 24 irl hours in good for town? Please tell me that. I have a light-town read on minstrel because why in the world would multiple people have a scum read on a slot less then 24 hours after the game began.

p-edit
Ah. So, you picked someone random then. I guess that shifts it to a null-read on Minstrel? Or a not-cult read.

p-edit 2
Jester lynch wouldn't have ended the game and a Jester lynch would have been a not-me lynch, so yeah.

This seems exaggerated. It was only me and Obvious scum who expressed a scum read for Hectic. So where’s this coming from?

[insomnia]

Tempted to guilty this, not going to lie.

[insomnia]

All in all, if you’re all going to say you’re gonna inno him, this trial is a waste. Pressure him, the point of a trial is wasted if we just absolve people for being voted day one.

[insomnia]

And, no, I haven’t put our friend Minstrel on trial today.

Holy shit I’m actually getting Deja-Vus about this and I remember Hectic will fight me on his main itt, and that he will be inno’d some day over the night where I can’t check shit and I’ll be really disappointed

[insomnia]

What if the day ends even if we conclude he’s not guilty? Hmmmm

[insomnia]

Information overload is a thing and it’s against the town.

Let minstrel defend himself instead of you defending him.

[insomnia]

All he did was haikus

And he’s bad at them

Stop making haikus please

[insomnia]

I guess I scum read Hectic more than the hydra itself so that’s why I said he

[insomnia]

I am the greater writer

The Minstrel slot shall perish

Stop whiteknighting scum

[insomnia]

Ok, the only way

Is for all town to abstain

Not giving lynchproof

[insomnia]

Ok, I don’t see how we lynch

I wish we all did

But we are pussies

I like writing haikus I might do this for the whole game

[insomnia]

5 syllables

7 syllables

5 syllables

[insomnia]

It is trial time

For our dearest friend, Hectic.

Atone for your sins.

[insomnia]

Fine, let's no guilty

Give the man his vest, fuck me.

But tomorrow we get him.

[insomnia]

I'll also say that I'm one of the major reasons why Minstrel is on trial. I joked about how funny it'd be if we put someone on trial within the first IRL day, and Minstrel just happened to be the unlucky soul we picked.

yo rendith (sorry if i butchered it)

why did you trust Korina with this by the way? it's not in the mod confirmed font thing

[insomnia]

Rautherdir*

[insomnia]

Minstrel Trial?

I love it

the dude is probably guilty as charged until proven otherwise

so GUILTY

wait a minute that Jury slot seems… hmmmmm

Probably not a town progression.

[insomnia]

Uhhh. Yeah? It's an actual trial.

[insomnia]

That's not mod confirmed.

[insomnia]

Minstrel Trial?

I love it

the dude is probably guilty as charged until proven otherwise

so GUILTY

wait a minute that Jury slot seems… hmmmmm

Probably not a town progression.

have you actually clicked on that link in Korina post, going to 'the jury'?

I presume you had some form of suspicion on Menstral. Right?

[insomnia]

Minstrel Trial?

I love it

the dude is probably guilty as charged until proven otherwise

so GUILTY

wait a minute that Jury slot seems… hmmmmm

Probably not a town progression.

have you actually clicked on that link in Korina post, going to 'the jury'?

I presume you had some form of suspicion on Menstral. Right?

@Iconeum

[insomnia]

I lean scum on Rautherdir, for making Mentstrel's potential guilty verdict way blown out of proportion. Nobody other than me and the other guy mentioned that we scum read Hectic, and it's just mind boggling to actually vote guilty on a 36 hour phase lynch. I think it's just not where town focus would be at this point, he's extremely LAMIST. Plus, he's making it more of a "It's bad to vote someone so fast" rather than "I think he's town, therefore, we shouldn't guilty", which I also take issue with. The lack of consideration for the slot and him trying to appeal to a broader audience saying extremely obvious things is bleah. It's like he's using Minstrel to prove himself town, rather than trying to actually figure Minstrel.

I have a light-town read on minstrel because why in the world would multiple people have a scum read on a slot less then 24 hours after the game began.

This is the reason for town reading Minstrel, the guy that was scum read by 2 people, on day one. 24 something hours into the game.

Ah. So, you picked someone random then. I guess that shifts it to a null-read on Minstrel? Or a not-cult read.

Yo, what? How do you go from a town read on minstrel because "he was accused by plenty peeps" to a null read because Korina put him on the trial based on rng, and it wasn't actually started by our votes?

[insomnia]

If you quote me the posts where Korina said, in a mod confirmed font, that the Jurist slot is actually controlled by people, I’m willing to drop this.

I am following through your reasoning and it makes sense, except for that part where somewhere was mentioned that the Jurists was a slot formed by people.

[insomnia]

As far as I can tell the members of the jury had to vote to put Minstrel on trial to make it happen. Which would be 3 or 5 people depending on if it had to be unanimous or not.

If you could show me where you believed this to be the case, I’m tempted to actually town lean you for your thoughts.

[insomnia]

Alright, you’re cleared buddy, pending further notice.

Thoughts on Iconeum’s progression there?

[insomnia]

Korina if I asked for dayvig, would you grant it?

As in, I can use it, not me getting day vigged, that would be highly sucky

[insomnia]

Yeah, imagine having that role. I certainly couldn’t imagine.

[insomnia]

Yeah but it was posted in *not the mod font* so I thought you were lying ;(

[insomnia]

You do have a point

Oh, almighty cult master,

I submit myself

[insomnia]

/receive 1-shot-dayvig

[insomnia]

There better be rets

Because I don’t want to die

This game is awesome

[insomnia]

This isn’t a real

Bastard game unless it has

Those beautiful rets

[insomnia]

The glaring reason:

I am your apprentice

Why don’t I have vig

[insomnia]

I will break the canonic pattern,

The rules set in stone.

My artistic spirit cannot be caged by these mundane limitations

I am a free spirit, wandering about

Asking for a precious gun

To shoot scum

Bleaw

[insomnia]

My lyrical aptitudes are in constraint

These haikus are truly a pain

[insomnia]

Town response.

P-edit : or just soft-claiming neutral

[insomnia]

Analyzing wagons and votes on each wagons is a great way to find scum which i think Obviousscum is completely ignoring will be unavailable if we are flipped through the trial today. So his arguments in favor of flipping us are weak in comparison to why we should stay alive and make today a more traditional day.

- Norwee

Counter point, we evaluate the guilty and inno votes. It's still analysis, and it's still based on votes. It doesn't really need to be traditional. Traditional doesn't also mean good.

[insomnia]

I regret my vote decision.

[insomnia]

I think I'm gonna change my inno back to guilty lol

He's not even reading his top fos

[insomnia]

We have 7 whispers per dayphase

[insomnia]

Not answering that until he answers my question.

[insomnia]

I have Minstrel as really low on my list and nothing changed tbh

[insomnia]

Iconeum's progression barely makes any sense, unless that initial post was a joke. Which I presume to be semi-serious, given the back track in his next post.

My interpretation of that is that he scum read Menstral / had a gut ping / some form of suspicion, saw the trial on him, thought "Wow, ok, nice". Instead of actually checking on it at first, he thought it was a good idea, but then he looks at the Jury slot and thinks "Hmm, this is shady". The jury literally just announced that Menstral was on trial, I don't see how "Good, trial time" is followed by "Meh but that slot is weird", on a slot that gave you what you...wanted. Seems like a scum backtracking, looking to react to stuff, not having any actual stance on anybody yet.

@Menalque

[insomnia]

Plus, doesn’t Iconeum come from ToS anyway?

[insomnia]

Not having a read on the person that's being on trial and saying "ayy let's get it, i'm guiltying"

Then saying the trial was probably messed up

then still voting guilty even if you don't know anything about the slot

is super scummy. And also, I think your tone is all off.

I read the backtracking as not genuine and an attempt to look LAMIST.

Voting a guilty on a slot that you don't even know what did is really bad. It felt as if you tried to go with the thread state of "Yeah, let's lynch Norwee" here, thinking it was a meme, when we actually do have reasoning for scum reading him, unlike you.

This scenario is probably even worse than what I initially thought. Not having any knowledge of Norwee's posts and saying that is really fake.

[insomnia]

And frankly, something that I don't think you as town!Ico would ever come out with.

[insomnia]

History’s a stretch, I do have 1 game with him.

Maybe I’m misusing meta mentality analysis but that thing is still scummy.

[insomnia]

It’s an in-game mechanic that probably occurs every single day

Just read the damn slot and give opinions.

Stop proxy innoing.

[insomnia]

Huh. So, everyone who placed a guilty vote on Minstrel except DEB had a reason in-thread. Interesting.

insomnia and ObvScum: did either of you try to change your vote?

Changing your vote is allowed.

[insomnia]

i really do get like that when i feel pressured for bad reasons

It was only me on you, do I scare you so much?

[insomnia]

Icon is Town

hmmm
VOTE: insomnia
@whoever said they were TRing them can i get a tldr on that

-gun

why am i not town to you?

[insomnia]

VOTE: Iconeum

[insomnia]

I unfortunately can't lynch Hectic because we gave him lynchproof so

let's do iconeum instead

[insomnia]

-Hectic

Insomnia, so let's hear the reasoning for that scumread on me.

Highly based on your entry, but also reinforced by you not really doing anything townie. I've seen town hectic do awesome analysis, ain't seeing it now.

[insomnia]

@Insom Your Ico push seemed like kind of a stretch, plus as I said i thought his process there was aligned with town!him

two more people said they disagreed with "voting guilty for the lulz" being scummy, is your read on them now lowered as well?

also I'm out for the day maybe try to not lynch Icon while I'm gone tyty

-gun

My point was not that the "voting guilty for the lulz" is the problem. My point was that him coming into the thread, getting over RVS, and focusing on that read to me more like

he was trying to fit in the thread and ride the wave, act LAMIST, it just seemed really fake.

I thought the whole thing was semi-serious, but after he said it was a joke, I had even more reasons to suspect him.

Iconeum doesn't do stupid stuff like that from my knowledge, he's generally pro-town, and that's a really pro-scum move. Guiltying to oblivion, not carrying. Just because he's upfront about it, doesn't mean that makes him better, it actually makes it worse, because scum fake confidence on that shit almost all times.

My guy Iconeum comes into the thread, sees a trial, thinks "yeah let's guilty this" and then says "wait but the judge thing is suspicious". If he wanted to joke and guilty it, he would've done so, but that backtracking spoke to me as if he was nullifying his read on Minstrel, which was really scummy. It's like erasing the attempt of his first post.

Could be a shit case but everyone else seems town to me and Ico feels off here anyway.

[insomnia]

Even towns that decide to "lol guilty" don't do it based on nothing / having no knowledge at all on a slot. I guarantee you, each and everyone of those people had

some

sort of reasoning for voting guilty there.

[insomnia]

Highly based on your entry, but also reinforced by you not really doing anything townie. I've seen town hectic do awesome analysis, ain't seeing it now.

What games have you read of mine?

-Hectic

It's complicated as it's ongoing. Not finished yet.

[insomnia]

Even towns that decide to "lol guilty" don't do it based on nothing / having no knowledge at all on a slot. I guarantee you, each and everyone of those people had

some

sort of reasoning for voting guilty there.

good for them, i'm not even feeling a little bit bad about what i did

and this kind of posting is just fake bravado. I don't buy this at all.

[insomnia]

Iconeum is kind of like me with regards to scum hunting, he's not a lazy player, he has a burning desire for scum hunting as town and catching scum. This is just like on the polar opposite here and it feels really contrived.

[insomnia]

Ok Menalque, how does me reaching the wrong conclusion to you result in me being scum?

[insomnia]

I literally ctrl + f'd Ico's ISO looking for TSE and TheSoulHustler and found only one post commenting on him and then another where he voted him.

[insomnia]

Ask menalque about his read on me and let me know what he thinks.

I think my reasoning is perfectly fine. If you have no meta with Iconeum then you wouldn't get it. I don't know what head other than Menalque is playing, but scum reading someone for being wrong in someone's meta (which is subjective to each person) is predatory.

[insomnia]

Your Ico push seemed like kind of a stretch, plus as I said i thought his process there was aligned with town!him

Why did it seem like a stretch?

Why am I scum for me not having the same meta read on Iconeum as you do?

[insomnia]

Wait, two people have different meta reads on the same person?

The only option is to let them fight it out. This is obviously TvS. (I might be slightly sarcastic here. Or not. You figure it out.)

Not really, granted my meta with Iconeum is like 2 games max. But in each of those games I've seen some interest in actually sorting people.

In here he just fakes confidence in everything and is "in our faces" while not realising he has no reasoning for doing anything he does and he thinks acting smug about it will keep him covered.

The fact that he voted TSE over me makes no sense.

p-edit : Yes, because your reasoning for scum reading me is inherently flawed / scum driven. Disagreeing with something is not a reason to scum read someone.

[insomnia]

What is your vote achieving if it's placed on someone that you disagree with? Like are you gonna lynch me for not having the same opinion as you?

I would like some examples where scum have pushed Iconeum based on meta before, when you wake up, please.

[insomnia]

My problem with insomnia here is that he shaded our slot and argued against pro-Not Guilty Rau for quite a while during the trial, but I don't actually see a single

reason

for him thinking we're scum. What about my entrance did you dislike, insomnia?

-Hectic

I explained it through my questions to Chemist, but here, you can have my notes from that time that I took.

"Not really liking Hectic's vote on me, I feel like he could've focused on literally anyone else, I was gone for a few months. I feel like he wanted to impress me somehow by voting me. It doesn't have the sort of RVS vibe to it.

I've also only played one game with Hectic, so him saying that makes me roll my eyes in my head."

I can expound by saying I believed you couldn't come up with literally anything else as a reason for RVSing. I remember you having good entry posts as town, and this one was just a complete bummer tbh. I thought maybe you struggled to fake the same natural entrance that you have as town, so that's probably why it impacted me so much in scum reading you. I actually said "This is a strong reasoning and don't let him slip for this" or something like that.

[insomnia]

Also, I didn't like that after you voted me, you turned to talk with your other head, which I thought was weird.

These are like early D1 reads, but I think it works, because I don't think you had a fairly townie evolution throughout your posts.

[insomnia]

No. I thought you could've come up with way better votes / entries than "insomnia is generally scum". I can't really put it in words. I guess it felt as if you wanted me to react to your vote and set you up for a friendly chit chat, and me saying "Yeah, you're right" or something that makes you look good, as in, me making the work for you and not you actually getting town read for your entry (which you usually are, idk if other people say this reasoning, but you have really townie entry posts), if that makes any sense. I'm not gonna attempt to re-phrase this in any way, I don't think it gets any more coherent than this tbh.

[insomnia]

It was not the seriousness of the vote that bothered me, it was your entry post, that I felt had a motive to make you look good / not suspicious, instead of you posting your usual weird town shit. And that way of making you look good was by making me react in some sort of way to the vote that makes you look good.

The egotistical part of the read is that I thought you acknowledged my semi-decent scum hunting things and wanted to confront me directly, as if to say "I'm not scared of you, I will vote you right from the start".

But it's mostly the first line.

[insomnia]

Interesting, I think I understand where you're coming from a little better now. You were scum in the previous game btw, so it'd be weird to acknowledge you had decent scum-hunting off of that lul.

@Rau: What's the point of hydraing if you don't argue with and deathtunnel your partner at some point?

-Hectic

Well, generally, high level scum players are also high level town players. The better your town game becomes, the better your scum game becomes as well. I know I would fear a good scum player if I'm opposing him as either alignment.

[insomnia]

Okay, I think I understand what you're saying insomnia, and I have no idea what to call that. Or how to explain it better. Maybe that it was a good scum opening? Or trying to bait a reaction? Not really sure.

(This is why I don't analyze RVS votes though. It's not easy to do, and honestly I don't think anyone actually knows how to do RVS so most everything tends to be NAI in the end. Usually.)

Back in the good ol' days I'd catch 2 / 3 scum based on their opening posts alone, that's why I'm putting much stock in this.

Well, this is on another site, in here I usually suck. I still wish someone would hydra with me and help me improve, because playing against scum on this website is way different than playing with scum on other websites.

[insomnia]

Hey icon can u come and do something AI pls, datisi has given me responsibility for reading you

-mena

Datisi, when you come back, also answer this for me please. Why did you put mena in charge of reading Iconeum if you had so much meta experience with him anyway?

[insomnia]

Did you have a town read on Iconeum that you expressed to her? She postured as having a town read on Iconeum here, you know.

[insomnia]

VOTE: A Gun

I still don't like guns in my wolf pack

I'll probably join but I still wanna hear from Datisi.

[insomnia]

I'm done defending my actions and 'lack of reasons to lolvote guilty'

If you honestly think town HAS to have a reason to do that, you are just mistaken.

Scum feel a lot more need to explain their actions then town do, so it's weird to me you feel like this.

The last line is exactly why I think he faked it, because he thought it would be pretty townie to do so but it turned out horribly.

[insomnia]

VOTE: DEB

come out come out wherever you are

Can we all direct our votes on Iconeum please? Pressure him, I think he’s scum.

[insomnia]

Interesting, I think I understand where you're coming from a little better now. You were scum in the previous game btw, so it'd be weird to acknowledge you had decent scum-hunting off of that lul.

@Rau: What's the point of hydraing if you don't argue with and deathtunnel your partner at some point?

-Hectic

Well, generally, high level scum players are also high level town players. The better your town game becomes, the better your scum game becomes as well. I know I would fear a good scum player if I'm opposing him as either alignment.

What was the basis for this?

-rose

That by understanding how town think and catching scum, you can learn how to effectively infiltrate town blocks and how to hide TMI ?

[insomnia]

I've explained thrice how my push has nothing to do with Iconeum "lolvoting". I felt as if he wanted to hide amongst other town because there were loads of "imma guilty" but, again, lolvoting isn't done without something to evaluate off of.

Iconeum came in the thread, had no idea who Minstrel was or what they've done and yet still decided to vote guilty. And the fake bravado afterwards makes no actual sense. He's like "Yeah, I wanted to lynch someone that I have no read on, town do this shit all the time, right?"

Where I feel like Iconeum would NEVER do that. And his recent post with "Town do this shit all the time" made me believe that I was right when assuming he was faking it in order to get town read.

[insomnia]

Menal, how about you talk a little about why Iconeum is town here based on meta? Or datisi, cuz she disagreed with my perception of Ico's meta.

[insomnia]

the fact that he is a *highly* mislynchable player

Pushing a highly mislynchable player doesn't make you scum. I'm a highly mislynchable player and the players pushing me usually turn out to be town.

Pushing mislynchable players bc they did something that looks scummy instead of trying to read them more deeply is definitely +scum and the inability of towns to go beyond the surface level of mislynch bait is one of the main reasons they lose

-rose

Oh almighty master, please teach me the ways of scum hunting deeper than what I've already done. What else is there in "Lol i'm guiltying cuz fuck this game am i right"?

I don't like your sudden progression on me that basically ignores my slot completely and only when I make a push on someone you perceive as easily mislynchable, I become a suspect. Talk to me about why I'm scum because of that, I have explained myself.

Pushing mislynchable players bc they did something that looks scummy instead of trying to read them more deeply is definitely +scum

Besides, I thought that it was extremely townie to lolvote? So why choose this angle?

I don't even know if they're like both scum or Gun and a rose slot ended in a really bad wking positioning, but I feel like flipping this first

VOTE: Guns and a rose

defending iconeum here is actual TMIng, I thought he only posted NAI stuff, not once has any of you two actually said "This is more likely to come from town ico" , or "this post is really town for ico", you just instantly postured as defending ico without expressing a town read on him, with the sole purpose of reacting to my push. Not one of you asked me how I perceived Ico's meta, and when I did, you didn't try to tell me how to read him properly. So the burden that you're placing on me to "read him deeper or you're scum" is really unfair. You didn't even read him, you town read him for this :

Icon is Town

hmmm
VOTE: insomnia
@whoever said they were TRing them can i get a tldr on that

-gun

which, what was this read even about, again? what has he done so townie that you guys read him town?

[insomnia]

Hey icon can u come and do something AI pls, datisi has given me responsibility for reading you

-mena

What's wrong with Icon's progression there, Insom?

-gun

Ico, can you answer the question Insom asked so he can answer mine pls?

-gun

And frankly, something that I don't think you as town!Ico would ever come out with.

#Town!Ico never does this

every.single.game.

The meme is actually fucking real lmao

-gun

Icon is Town

hmmm
VOTE: insomnia
@whoever said they were TRing them can i get a tldr on that

-gun

Like, this is your actual progression. It seems to me that, by this progression, you're town reading him because of my push on him, rather than reading him for his own posts, which demonstrates that you didn't even bother trying to sort him. This town read came out of thin air.

[insomnia]

Iconeum, since you're here, what things have you done that were actually town indicative to get a town read from Datisi, based on that progression? Do you think it's a fair evaluation of your slot?

[insomnia]

I explicitly don’t hard townread icon on his own posts, but I’m situationally TRing him because I don’t think that you’re SvS. The point is that, as mentioned, icon is basically NAI so far on posts — you literally just said this — yet you’ve been pushing the angle of him being scummy? That’s not an honest approach to his slot, that’s targeting him because as scum you think you can get a mislynch or as town ????

I didn't read anything as NAI, I was being sarcastic because you were saying he's NAI and yet you're here giving him a town read for what it seems to be my "awful surface push" rather than him actually posting town stuff.

[insomnia]

Also, it’s not on me to tell you how to read him properly? And it’s not like that is some simple thing to just pass off, as it’s not an entirely rational basis and is at least partly an emotional feeling based on tone that comes through over time. The concept that this is TMIing his alignment is ridiculous, given that I’ve literally made it clear that

I’m lightly town at best there and also just because you can’t see what takes someone from one level of read confidence to another doesn’t mean they’re TMIing it just often means they’re better at reading than you or that they’re wrong

I explicitly don’t hard townread icon on his own posts, but I’m situationally TRing him because I don’t think that you’re SvS.

The point is that, as mentioned, icon is basically NAI so far on posts

— you literally just said this — yet you’ve been pushing the angle of him being scummy? That’s not an honest approach to his slot, that’s targeting him because as scum you think you can get a mislynch or as town ????

my read is largely in relation to the interactions around him rather than any content he’s produced himself

[insomnia]

Which is why I'm on the fence with insomnia: I kinda understand his push on me, but I think it's too serious right now.

So I make sense but just because I make sense too early I am scum?

[insomnia]

Menalque, for your bloating and you belittling my contribution, I have yet to see you do any analysis that's anything above surface level.

[insomnia]

No, I'm saying that he's saying I am surface level but he makes points like "he doesn't analyse in depth so he's scum"

[insomnia]

Iconeum, have you even read my posts? The slot literally has no reason to town read you right now other than the fact they thought my push on you was scummy.

How do you feel about Datisi giving you a town read so early and defending you so hard despite mentioning you guys often fight each other / suspect each other? Does that seem like uninformed Datisi to you? Describe that aspect for me, please.

[insomnia]

They literally never said that.

[insomnia]

"Icon played the game. Town"

[insomnia]

Do you guys have meta on Iconeum scum where he doesn't say anything?

[insomnia]

Menal, how about you talk a little about why Iconeum is town here based on meta? Or datisi, cuz she disagreed with my perception of Ico's meta.

Hey icon can u come and do something AI pls, datisi has given me responsibility for reading you

-mena

Datisi, when you come back, also answer this for me please. Why did you put mena in charge of reading Iconeum if you had so much meta experience with him anyway?

@datisi

[insomnia]

Yeah, my Ico Town read was based on him freeflowing his thoughts like that.

Pedit: yes, things that are either specifically NAI to Ico or NAI in general but can be pushed as anti-town. And not sure what you mean by that? I haven't played in a game with Ico and Insomnia. (haven't played with insomnia at all)

-gun

Basically, I think Ico is looking like scum but apparently those things are NAI for specifically him. If insomnia has no way of knowing this, why do you scumread him for it? Unless you think Ico's behaviour so far is NAI

in general

for all players.

-Hectic

I do have an answer to that.

[insomnia]

I do have an answer to that.

Go on...

-insomnia

He's scum

[insomnia]

In Honor of Mena and Dat

Welcome to the Mafia, we've got fun and games
When you need a mislynch there's a newbie town to blame
And you're a very weird role, that's tricky to describe
If you got no charisma, hun, it's hard to stay alive

In the mafia, welcome to the mafia, we're gonna push you til you're d-d-d-d-d-dead
In the mafia, welcome to the mafia, we're gonna have your head
oooooh We'll remove you from the thread

[insomnia]

A50 I assume me talking to you will result in exactly nothing but it would be nice if you could do something this game

I did. At least I tried. I told people to go easy with their whispers and I was shat on ..

via whispers

ye this is town

[insomnia]

You should all follow menalque cuz he goat

you mediocre towns

[insomnia]

Here's my prodge post until people post stuff.

Iconeum, one more question. Why did you immediately back track when seeing the "Jury slot" and thought it was scummy? All you had to do was to vote not guilty or guilty there anyway, can you explain what you thought was scummy in that? Nobody asked you to whisper your role or something there. It was a mere vote. What was so scummy about the slot?

[insomnia]

Like, why did it make you say "Meh I probably shouldn't whisper them with anything"?

[insomnia]

Polypsies probably gth town. Jackson weird. Not gonna elaborate on that.

I really liked TSE's slot early on but not his posts, the mm head posts.

Rauthendir probably still town, but I'd like him to do something, or it might fade away.

A50 slot probably town.

The skeleton that plays the trumpet likely scum.

chemist some form of neutral entity

OS is town based on early stuff

those are the only people i can remember off the top of my head, keep in mind these are like hipfired reads tbh, will probably expound on them some time later

[insomnia]

Fonz dude town

[insomnia]

nvm i re-read and the skelly guy playing the sax on repeat is townie but i don't like how he keeps hopping in each time and says "catching up, catching up"

[insomnia]

Jake is probably exactly a jester or a cult, don't trust my read on this though. He's been very underwhelming tho. Or he could always be just scum but like. meh.

Jake is probably exactly a jester or a cult, don't trust my read on this though. He's been very underwhelming tho. Or he could always be just scum but like. meh.

Menalque is scum that couldn't help but force himself to follow through with Datisi's reasoning. With the level of experience he claims to have, he's literally pushing me for what he accuses me of pushing Iconeum, which is that "it's scummy, but not an actual reason of flipping scum" even though he didn't even really get my point.

There's 0 progression on me, respectively, Iconeum, for them to pick a stance that's so deeply rooted in having at least a town read in between the two of us. You can't just *not* have a progression / read on someone and then put yourself in that position. It's disingenuous posturing. Especially when you claim the only reason you town read one of the two people is that the other dude's push is scummy, without evaluating me nor iconeum.

Dr Drew is probably scum as well, just based off tone and the only question he has towards someone was "How'd you conclude i was gonna vote guilty from that post?"

DEB leaning scum based off p#1097 where he explains his vote on minstrel. I don't get why the reasoning applies exclusively to Iconeum, but not Minstrel? And the way the post was worded, the overall vibe was one of "Yeah I voted guilty, so what?" (kind of like Iconeum) rather than "I voted guilty because, this, this, this..." and it just confuses me why there was consideration on Iconeum slot but not on Minstrel either?

And the way the post was worded, the overall vibe was one of "Yeah I voted guilty, so what?" (kind of like Iconeum) rather than "I voted guilty because, this, this, this..."

Going to elaborate on this, what I wanted to draw out was that he was defending himself over a vote that he took full credit for and didn't think it was a big deal. It is a clash in what he says and the mentality behind his questions. If he wasn't bothered by it, why feel the need to comment so much on it? Even moreso, giving the input from when you thought Icon was actually on the chopping block? What connection even is there to tie with your guilty vote on Minstrel?

I don't know why he found it so weird that he was being scrutinised for that, because he did vote a guilty on someone without saying much about them.

[insomnia]

Ignore that DEB read until he answers my question, I probably worded that horribly. Just don't bother squinting your eyes at it.

@DEB was that Iconeum read connected to your vote on Minstrel in any way? Did you vote Guilty thinking that it was Iconeum on trial?

[insomnia]

{Gun and a rose, Jake, Minstrel, Dr Drew, DEB}

are like the scummy people, will re-read more slots

Someone should sort the PeaHen slot for me, I won't even bother.

[insomnia]

yeah definitely ignore that DEB read I gave, I'll word it better once I have the time and the interest. and his answer to my question.

[insomnia]

If Gun flips scum then they TMI’d him town without even caring for meta checks

So that’s always a given.

[insomnia]

If they were defending a scum partner they would at least be self-conscious enough to the point of their read having some actual sense and not just thrown out the window.

[insomnia]

Iconeum, you’re giving me the chills tbh. I don’t see how you can possible town read Gun and a rose for their town read on you.

It’s either they fucked up with their read on you and they were hasty with it, basically treating your slot superficially

Or you’re the scum that’s benefitting of their town read on you.

I can’t possibly fathom you not having any saying in their non-existent progression, it baffles me. There were no “thoughts that were free flowing” you just defended yourself against me.

[insomnia]

You keep saying they’re town, what’s your read on them now?

[insomnia]

@Mod:

V/LA until Saturday

low fever + sore throat is not fun.

Ok, think I figured out large games on D1.

I am not gonna do shit and someone just point me to who is scum.

Then the real game starts D2.

Gun and Rose and DreamingLich are good votes.

-Hectic

Wanna talk to me about DL?

[insomnia]

Why did I quote Rautherdir

I wanted to probably say that I feel for him because I also have like a sort of cold and sore throat

[insomnia]

I'm not gonna engage Menal. It seems like a huge waste. Man doesn't even know what he's talking about at this point.

@ me with questions if you have em

[insomnia]

Menal, drop the shtick with you being the goat player, you have 2 reads, like even if I wanted to follow you on your reads, you literally have none.