Open 85 - Jester Mafia (Game over) before 630

[Kmd4390]

/confirm

[Kmd4390]

Random

Vote: The Jester

Now why would you go and vote for the jester?

vote raver

[Kmd4390]

Wow, I leave and a bandwagon forms behind me.

unvote raver

Who's acting the most protown?
Lynch them.

Vote: Rishi

My suggestion, correlary, is that we all pretend to be the jester. It keeps the mafia from completely random voting.

How anti-town is that?

vote skruffs

[Kmd4390]

How is it anti-town?

Unvote, Vote: Kmd4389

Did you think about it before you voted me, or did you vote me because at first glance it looked like I said something stupid and scummy?

Lynching the most pro-town player isn't anti-town?
Hmmm....

[Kmd4390]

Lynching the most pro-town player isn't anti-town?
Hmmm....

First of all, we were still in a somewhat joke phase at that point.

Secondly, a lot of times scum will appear to be very much pro-town. Also, if someone really looks pro-town, there's a good chance that person is not the jester.

Thirdly, Skruffs, unlike you, is an experienced player and knows what he's doing. He's not going to drop a stupid obvious scumtell like that.

Fourthly, if someone says something that is so obviously scummy in your eyes, shouldn't your first thought be "jester"?

I thought we were still in the joke phase which is where the obvious scumtells come intentionally.

unvote

Please don't attack my lack of experience like that. I have played enough to know basic concepts.

[Kmd4390]

vote; raverblud

quote]ur fase is reel old

um, what?

[Kmd4390]

Nope, if I were setting up chain lynches, I'd directly say that. Right now, I'm just saying there's a possible connection. The scumbuddy thing was actually a bit of jest. I still say that Sun Tzu and cretin are on equal levels of fail right now.

Nobody directly says "let's set up chain lynches".

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Nope, if I were setting up chain lynches, I'd directly say that. Right now, I'm just saying there's a possible connection. The scumbuddy thing was actually a bit of jest. I still say that Sun Tzu and cretin are on equal levels of fail right now.

Nobody directly says "let's set up chain lynches

and means it

"

Changes are bolded...

[Kmd4390]

I do. Or I would. If I personally thought A was scum, and had a strong correlation to B, I'd say "Alright, if we lynch A, and they come up scum, then we should probably lynch B". That's a chain lynch, is it not?

That's true. If you see a connection between two players and one flips scum, the second is probably scum (assuming your connection is an accurate one).

[Kmd4390]

If the town don't have enough people to swing the vote in their favour

Why talk about town in third person?

Then what are we supposed to do? By this, all the scum could just act jestery and we'd never lynch them.

Wrong. The scum lose if they Jester is lynched. A scum acting jestery isn't going to live all game. The scum will eventually NK anyone who is acting too scummy and not on their team. They'll cut it close, but they aren't liable to let us lynch the jester.

Isn't scum more likely to leave scummy townies for possible next day lynches than simply NK them?

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It looks too intentionally random for a jester in a game where we know there is a jester. After seeing the five posts quoted by crazy like that, I think skruffs wants us to think he is jester. But is this too obvious to be something scum would do? If Skruffs is really jester, I don't want to vote for him. But if he isn't NK'd, how do we handle that? My gut says scum but the jester possiblility scares me away from voting.

Thoughts?

Sorry for the possibly unhelpful thinking with the keyboard post.

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Essentially, for the first part of the game, we'll have a few targets we want to see NK'd. the mafia is going to play it dangerously probably, and come as close to lylo as they can before offing the jester. They are likely going to play to keep us confused while keeping an eye out for their own interests...I'm thinking that the first 2 NKs are going to be relatively safe and non jester. I could be wrong, but that's just what I'd do as scum. Confuse the hell out of town while keeping an eye on jester suspects, and likely defending them as best I can. (I know, it seems like I'm doing that now but since it's D1 I'm being a bit paranoid)

Do you really think a real jester would be this random though? And suggest that we all play like jesters? We never know if this is what he wants us to think though. This isn't easy knowing that any lynch could end the game with a jester victory. I'm trying to think what I would do as either jester or scum in a game with a jester but I don't think that is going to help because everyone has different playstyles.

Is all this jester hunting too much of a distraction from trying to find scum? I know we need to be careful not to lynch the jester but shouldn't finding scum be more important right now?

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I agree with finding scum. I just don't feel there is enough out there for find it yet, so we have to be careful not to rush things. In the end, most Jester arguments are WIFOM though...I wish I knew how to play it though.

Well just remember, they want to be lynched. They don't want us knowing that they are jester.

I could see scum acting jestery (if that's a word) to avoid being lynched. The problem with this is that newb jester would do the same.

It really is WIFOM which makes it hard to figure out.

Ooba, the vote count is missing the "0" at the end of my screen name both times.

Sorry - This has

been corrected- ooba

[Kmd4390]

Why do you say this? What is your reasoning?

If the jester is lynched, everyone else loses. If the mafia make it seem like they're the jester, then their plan is busted when the real jester is NKed.

Why do you assume that's the Mafia's plan?

This is hypothetical. I was answering Skruffs' question.

The mafia have two options. They can either:

a. Act like town, as they would in a normal game.
b. Act like a jester.

Now if two people are acting really jestery, and one is NKed and

was

the jester, then the other one is mighty scummy, no? Because town have no reason to act jestery.

Thus, I believe it is very risky for the mafia to act like the jester.

Skruffs was saying that the mafia want to claim jester, as it's their only fake claim. This is why I disagree.

So what is your opinion on players acting jestery if the real jester ends up NK'd?

Are you saying they look scummy for doing so or scum probably wouldn't do this?

I'm thinking the first is probably more likely.

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Skruffs, are you saying townies won't act pro-town? Some one who is pro-town must be scum? This makes no sense. Yes, scum will appear to be pro-town but so will townies. You can't lynch a player just because they are pro-town.

Also, a jester lynch over a mafia lynch??? Are you serious??? A mafia lynch is ALWAYS good. It is our goal to lynch mafia!!! A jester lynch LOSES THE GAME.

FOS SKRUFFS

[Kmd4390]

Guys, he's acting jestery, like we all should be. Sheesh.

no, we really shouldn't.
We should be finding scum.

[Kmd4390]

Mod, does the game end if the jester is lynched?

[Kmd4390]

There is no reason to act Jestery, no one should act that way

Agreed 100%.
It is too much of a distraction and accomplishes nothing.

People don't see this for some reason...

My instinct tells me jestery=scum but I don't know what to think.

It also gives the jester and excuse to act jestery (and end up lynched) because everyone else is doing it.

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Skruffs, I am reading your posts and in my head, disagreeing with EVERYTHING.

If you put this idea out, the jester is not going to act like scum. The jester is going to do what gets them lynched.

If we all act jestery and won't vote each other, the scum will do the same too. How the hell do we lynch some one when everyone is acting jestery?

It's like having an extended random phase which gets us nowhere.
I think that is exactly what scum would want.

vote skruffs

I really don't like your ideas.

[Kmd4390]

So a player with a mafia role is less likely to act "pro-town" than a player with a townie role is? Does this mean that the inexperienced players and lurkers are more likely to be mafia?

As people talk, they slip. For now, Jester seems townier. If he talked a bit more, he'd be more likely to slip if he's scum, and thusly have me revise my opinion. No mafia remains pro town all game. It's practically impossible unless you have really stupid townies.

I tend to agree with this for the most part. The only thing is...scum aren't the only players who "slip". Townies will say something that looks scummy, get called on that, and defend it horribly leading to a mislynch. I know I've done it.

[Kmd4390]

So a player with a mafia role is less likely to act "pro-town" than a player with a townie role is? Does this mean that the inexperienced players and lurkers are more likely to be mafia?

As people talk, they slip. For now, Jester seems townier. If he talked a bit more, he'd be more likely to slip if he's scum, and thusly have me revise my opinion. No mafia remains pro town all game. It's practically impossible unless you have really stupid townies.

I tend to agree with this for the most part. The only thing is...scum aren't the only players who "slip". Townies will say something that looks scummy, get called on that, and defend it horribly leading to a mislynch. I know I've done it.

mafia edit: Thinking back, I haven't been lynched that way but I have been very close.

[Kmd4390]

r u goin 2 do it agen in this gaem

Obviously I hope not. It's not intentional, it's just something that happens because something is viewed as scummy and people agree on it.

[Kmd4390]

Rishi, what's up? You start off with me, then try to get suspicion on Xtoxm, and then Sun Tzu. That's a bit odd.

Vote: Rishi

Well, you guys seem like easier targets than Kmd, who is my real suspicion.

Very interesting. You say you are going after easy targets and then point out a name as suspicious without any reason at all.

I can't really defend against that because I don't even

know

your case.

[Kmd4390]

This business is starting to look really Scummy.

why do you think so? and who exactly do you think is "starting to look really scummy"?

Rishi, I see that you still haven't made a real case on me but you managed to get cr3t1n to agree with you.

[Kmd4390]

Well, when I said things are starting to look scummy I was refering to the fact Rishi was willing to take easy targets and lynch them. He then later admits that he would like to lynch multiple people. If that's a plan to at least try and find a mafia, it wouldn't be worth the multiple deaths of townies.

So in my opinion, Rishi is the person I suspect most of being a scum.

Ok, you should have clarified this. I agree that Rishi shouldn't be going after easy targets. If you have suspicions, speak up about it. And just saying "I am suspicious of this person but I'll talk about that after the easy targets are gone" doesn't count.

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Rishi, why wouldn't you want to lynch Cr3t1n? All he does is make baseless suspicions. I don't find that particularly helpful.

The idea is to lynch scum, not players who aren't helping much.

Do you see anything scummy in what cr3t1n is doing?

Who seems scummy to you so far?

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The idea is to lynch scum, not players who aren't helping much.

Do you see anything scummy in what cr3t1n is doing?

Who seems scummy to you so far?

Rishi wants to lynch Xtoxm and Sun Tzu. They aren't helpful, but how are they scummy? How is what they've doing different from Cr3t1n?

To me, Rishi is still the scummiest. I dunno, he's bouncing suspicions off the wall, but not actually posting his real suspicion on Kmd. And he seems to agree with Skruffs' plan of all of us acting jestery.

Well, Sun Tzu is lurking. Xtoxm and Cr3t1n are actively lurking. Either way they are all lurkers. When several players lurk, it is hard to base anything off of it. We need to lynch some one who we can base something off of.

Rishi still hasn't really addressed why they are suspicious of me. You pointed this out just like I have a few times. We still haven't gotten a response. This may seem like OMGUS but I am getting more suspicious of Rishi as more time goes by.

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I am not lurking. Thought I was surprised when I got prodded and realised I hadn't posted for a few days.

Crazy isn't so bad. Rishi wants me dead.

He must DIE!!

unvote vote Rishi

OMGUS much?

We have a deadline coming up. Now is the time to be serious. The joke phase ended (for most of us) a long time ago.

[Kmd4390]

So you really are voting for Rishi only because he is suspicious of you?
Seriously?
Come on now.

[Kmd4390]

Xtoxm is acting blatantly Jesterish... not sure what that means though... but it's either scummy or a stupid town move.

I think you are right with one of these. Xtoxm, if you are town, this is a stupid move. Please take the game seriously. If not, either you are scum and need to be lynched or we have to play a game of jester WIFOM to figure out if we think you are being so jestery that we assume you aren't the jester but in reality, you really are. That seems unlikely to me. Scum or stupid town is a lot more likely.

[Kmd4390]

Jester and Apothecary:

Why did you vote Rishi?

[Kmd4390]

Just a thought but Rishi was at L-1 and didn't hammer.
If Rishi was a jester, wouldn't he probably self hammer?

[Kmd4390]

Just a thought but Rishi was at L-1 and didn't hammer.
If Rishi was a jester, wouldn't he probably self hammer?

Yep, that was his win and he passed it up. Lynch at will in my opinion.

We still have a little under a week before the deadline hits.
Why is Rishi a better choice than anyone else?

I see the arguement about going for easy targets.
I also see that you could say it is a safe bet that Rishi isn't the jester so it's a safe lynch.

Is this all we are going on or is there more?

[Kmd4390]

Is this all we are going on or is there more?

Isn't it enough? Can you honestly say someone is scummier?

I don't think so yet but maybe we should discuss it and see if we find something. We still have some time before the deadline and discussion is always good for the town.

I also just realized my vote is still on Skruffs.

unvote

.

[Kmd4390]

I voted for Rishi because I thought his behaviour was scummy. However, I unvoted him because I think we should take our time when lynching. We have just under a week. Why Hurry? That week may yield more information, and we may find a Scum. I'm not saying that Rishi isn't scum. But I say lets wait till before the Deadline, and if we find anyone else scummy, we just lynch them, simple as that. If not, lynch who the hell you want.

Of course, Rishi may be Jester, and he may be trying to force our hand. I believe that's a WIFOM situation, correct?

I just that it was off that you both voted without posting reasoning. I see that you pretty much restated what I said about waiting for the deadline.

Yes, that is jester WIFOM that maybe he didn't self hammer so now he can act scummy, be lynched, and win. I don't know if this is looking too much into it but it is a possibility.

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Yes, that is jester WIFOM that maybe he didn't self hammer so now he can act scummy, be lynched, and win. I don't know if this is looking too much into it but it is a possibility.

Do you realize how ridiculous that is? If he was the Jester he

would

have self-hammered. There's no question. Why would any Jester, given the chance, choose to not self-hammer just to get in a WIFOM situation? Of course he would self-hammer.

Rishi is definitely not the Jester.

My thoughts exactly.

Apo was asking about a WIFOM scenario so I answered. I think there is only about a .0000005% chance that Rishi is the jester.

Crazy, you have some votes on you and are currently voting Rishi.

Would you rather see Rishi lynched ASAP or would you rather see some discussion first?

[Kmd4390]

How can more discussion possibly be bad?

For the town, it can't.

That's why I want to wait until the deadline before we lynch anyone.

[Kmd4390]

The Jester (player, not role) still hasn't answered my question.

Why vote Rishi without posting reasoning?

[Kmd4390]

raver, see this.

Yes, that is jester WIFOM that maybe he didn't self hammer so now he can act scummy, be lynched, and win. I don't know if this is looking too much into it but it is a possibility.

Do you realize how ridiculous that is? If he was the Jester he

would

have self-hammered. There's no question. Why would any Jester, given the chance, choose to not self-hammer just to get in a WIFOM situation? Of course he would self-hammer.

Rishi is definitely not the Jester.

My thoughts exactly.

Apo was asking about a WIFOM scenario so I answered. I think there is only about a .0000005% chance that Rishi is the jester.

Crazy, you have yet to answer my questions.

[Kmd4390]

Crazy, you have some votes on you and are currently voting Rishi.

Would you rather see Rishi lynched ASAP or would you rather see some discussion first?

[Kmd4390]

Jester, I thought that the argument I saw was in your reply box. I really must be losing it.

What arguement are you referring to?

[Kmd4390]

Also, why agree without posting any kind of analysis?

[Kmd4390]

Oooh, I get it now.

Unvote

, and I now believe Skruffs is town as well.

That leaves... who to be the Jester? Apothecary? Xtoxm?

You say you get the plan and still ask who the jester is?
If I'm understanding this plan, we want to leave jester discussion for the scum.

I believe Rishi to be town. (See why I wanted to wait until the deadline now?) Apothecary, I'm not liking right now. This lack of information to back anything and "forgetfulness" is either coming from scum or newb town.

I don't like the post where Apo says we shouldn't be voting right now. The town should ALWAYS be voting. No lynches suck and need to be avoided. If we don't vote, we can't lynch, scum basically gets a free kill.

[Kmd4390]

Well, jester speculation aside, where do we stand on D1 lynch?

Personally, I don't see much. I've pointed out some small catches on Apo but that is about all that I am seeing right now.

[Kmd4390]

Sun Tzu....

Lurking probably means lack of interest which probably means not the jester.

It's a "safe" lynch in that sense.

Maybe scum, maybe town. I can see it as a deadline lynch but no more than that.
If we don't come up with much better, my vote may be placed here later on.

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Skruffs, if you are going to say that it is the jester speculation thing, I mean we shouldn't look into who we think IS the jester, I am saying that Sun Tzu probably isn't so we should be safe lynching them.

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Also, Crazy, if I were scum, I would probably never have tried acting jestery.

But this, of course, is WIFOM and could go either way. I usually loom at anything beginning with "if I were scum" as a null tell."

Sun Tzu, I guess if you really were the jester, you probably would sit back and let us lynch you by default. That makes sense. This doesn't mean you are town though.

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Also, Crazy, if I were scum, I would probably never have tried acting jestery.

But this, of course, is WIFOM and could go either way. I usually look at anything beginning with "if I were scum" as a null tell."

Sun Tzu, I guess if you really were the jester, you probably would sit back and let us lynch you by default. That makes sense. This doesn't mean you are town though.

You start a post telling Sun Tzu that that was WIFOM then you use the same argument yourself? Eh...?

It's not WIFOM, it's common sense. We were discussing a lynch on a lurker. If this lurker was the jester, would they really pop in? I doubt it.

[Kmd4390]

I'm leaning toward Apo or Sun Tzu but more on gut than anything.

All I know is I don't want a no lynch so we need to agree on some one.

[Kmd4390]

vote sun tzu

unless I see something better before the deadline.
I can't see a townie asting like a jester just to avoid being lynched.

If I were scum, I'd treat statements starting with if I were scum as a null tell. (sorry, had to make the joke)

Nice.

[Kmd4390]

what's done is done

Quoting Macbeth in a mafia game??

I wonder if Macbeth Mafia would be fun.....

[Kmd4390]

Ok, Apo was NK'd. Everyone says it was an attempt at finding the jester. I'm not so sure of that. I put out a little suspicion on Apo. Not much, but enough that it was there. Some one may have been trying to make the connection that I'm scum because Apo was NK'd.

Does anyone else see this as a possibility?

[Kmd4390]

I thought that he may have been scum.

I'm just trying to speculate on why the NK went the way it did.

[Kmd4390]

How is not acting jestery a scum tell worth lynching over?

[Kmd4390]

Kmd's my top suspect, but that's just a hunch. I'll have to do a reread.

Didn't you go after Rishi for putting out suspicion without a case earlier?


As far as the NK, I think I agree that they were looking for the jester. I was probably being paranoid and thinking too much into it.

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Ok, I remember this now. Rishi was after an easy lynch instead of real suspicion. (which reminds me, we never did see a case) Maybe I was thinking of another game but I thought it was about posting names without cases. Actually it was another game, I remember it now. It was my own suspicion against some one somewhere else.

Sorry for the confusion, I guess I play too much mafia.

[Kmd4390]

I'm still semi-newb and alive in 6 games so I got confused.

What suspicions are you talking about?
All I did is ask if you went after Rishi for something you were just doing. If you were, I would see it as scummy. You weren't so I was wrong on that one.

[Kmd4390]

How was Apothecary a jester hunting lynch?

I would like everyone to take a poll right now:
Are scum likely to be trying to kill the jester or townsfolk at this point?
If a huge majority think that scum are trying to kill the jester, why don't we just no lynch until the jester is dead?

Nobody's suggested that yet because NOBODY really thinks that the mafia are jester hunting EXCEPT the people who are actually scum and want to make scum-hunting townies look like scum.

Almost anybody could be the jester at this point. Rishi is the only one other than myself who I can safely say isn't the jester. Why the scum chose Apo over anyone else is hard to say.

If the scum kill the jester, they eliminate the possibility of losing because we lynch the jester. If they go after town, it's like any other game and they decrease our numbers. I think they will go after the jester because if they miss, they still kill town which is good for them. They want the jester dead just as much as we do and I think that is their plan. Just don't forget that townies dead helps them too.

I don't think no lynching until the jester is dead is a very good idea. We will lose too many townies if the scum don't catch the jester quickly. jester or not, we are still giving the scum a free kill this way.

I agree that the scum are probably jester hunting but I don't think giving them a free kill is the way to do it.

[Kmd4390]

That's exactly what I am saying. Giving free kills is never good.

[Kmd4390]

The only thing about skruffs that has me confused is that people followed the plan. If he was the jester proposing this plan, would so many people have jumped on it? If he was scum, would his buddies really throw themselves out there like that?

My assumption is that the acting jestery thing is a town plan. Townies probably agreed with it. I didn't. Some people did though and I really don't think scum would do that.

Now, if you were a jester in a town of people acting jestery, what would you do? I don't think I would act jestery. I would either lurk or not really acknowledge the plan.

What would scum do in a town like this? Well if it was me, I would probably either jump on the acting jestery after I see that others have done it and it looks safe or shoot down the plan and call for a lynch on people who are acting jestery.

I biggest anti-actjesteryplan players were forbiddan, crazy, and myself. Just based on this WIFOM, I would say that either forbiddan or crazy is scum. It's hard to go by this though because I know myself to be town but I went against the plan which I just said could be a scumtell. I didn't understand the purpose of the plan though and if I am remembering correctly, neither did forbiddan. I think Crazy completely understood it but went against it. I'll have to go back and look at this.

Sorry that this ended up being me thinking out loud and using a lot of WIFOM. I know posts like these don't accomplish much for everyone, but they help me straighten out my thoughts.

[Kmd4390]

Well, the best way for them to blend in is to wait and see if others do so first.

Also, where did Rishi disapear to?

[Kmd4390]

I'm not saying he is definately town, I'm saying it confuses me that people followed his plan. Maybe he's scum but his buddies didn't follow his plan.

Also, I'm not trying to convince you about anything. I am putting out my thoughts. Agree or disagree, add to it, shoot it down. Do what you want. I am telling you what I think.

Response to your numbered points:
1)agreed.
2)true but a jester proposing a plan like this is very risky. Either everyone follows it and he looks town, there is disagreement on it (which happened) and you look like scum to half the town and town to the other half, or nobody likes it and you get lynched over it. It could either help or hurt for a jester to put out a plan like that.
3)I think they might follow it but I think they would wait to see if it is safe first. What about the possibility of the plan being a trap? Maybe Skruffs was thinking people want to blend in so whoever follows it is scum? There are endless possibilities with this plan. The facts are: Skruffs proposed the idea. Some people followed it. Some strongly disagreed. I don't know about you but all I can get from it is WIFOM. This is partially why I didn't agree with the plan. We are using WIFOM enough already...

Did Skruffs ever say that Rishi was right or wrong about the purpose of the plan? Skruffs has put a huge WIFOM bubble in my head throughout this game. You look at him one way and he is clearly the jester, look another way he is clearly scum, look another way he is clearly town. Skruffs, what are you doing to us???

[Kmd4390]

Well, the best way for them to blend in is to wait and see if others do so first.

Also, where did Rishi disapear to?

Here. Sorry.

Will re-read and catch up tomorrow.

There's Rishi, right after his name popped up.

[Kmd4390]

no1 wants 2 voet 4 forbiddan

vote; kmd4390

Again, no case.

[Kmd4390]

no1 wants 2 voet 4 forbiddan

vote; kmd4390

Again, no case.

has he ever really giving a reason for any of his votes?

No, that's why I said "again".

[Kmd4390]

In any case, Kmd and forbiddan are tops on my scum list, because I think, from Day 1, their plan was to blend in with the town. If townies are acting jestery, it makes it a lot harder for them to hide. That's why they keep trying to convince people not to act jestery.

So blend in with a town by trying to convince everyone to stop doing what they are doing? The best way to blend in would have been to act jestery. I agree that the whole jestery plan conversation should end. It was a day one plan. Some liked it. Some didn't. Let's not argue about if it was good or not. If you want to look at players based on what they did with the plan, fine. But as you (Rishi) just said, it is pointless to argue about the plan in general now.

i bord
we shud linch sum1 quickly

lynching because we are bored is never a good idea. Discussion should come first.

i bord
we shud linch sum1 quickly

Wanna volunteer ^-^?

ur meen

"ur" unhelpful to this game.

The Jester and Kmd are my top suspects.

Any case? Is it just because I went against the jestery plan(you did the same)? Why The Jester? Because he got a vote early but hasn't really been looked at through the rest of the day? Cases to support your suspicions are helpful.

[Kmd4390]

Raverblood or myself would be ideal nightkills tonight for scum. I highly doubt that Raverblood will be NK'd though, so I welcome mafia to NK me.
Enough players think that I am either town or jester that they will not be hurt by eliminating me, one way or the other.

You wouldn't rather see the jester (role, not player) NK'd?

And, Kmd, an attack on cretin? Really? You're pointing out that he has no reasoning in his post and he should provide some? And you actually expect him to say something? Really? It seems like you're trying to look pro-town by pointing out the painfully obvious.

What attack? I haven't attacked cr3t1n at all. I basically said he is playing a dumb and unhelpful game but I'm not calling him scum. When did I tell him specifically to use reasoning? I said lynching because you are bored is stupid and the town needs to discuss things. I don;t expect anything at all from him although it would be nice.

Any case? Is it just because I went against the jestery plan(you did the same)? Why The Jester? Because he got a vote early but hasn't really been looked at through the rest of the day? Cases to support your suspicions are helpful.

You and The Jester are the only people that...
a. I'm not afraid to lynch because I think they could be the jester.
b. I think are genuinely pro-town in their actions.

My vote for you comes mainly from your recent WIFOM-sandwich convincing us that Skruffs was town, and to vote for forbiddan and me because we oppose the plan, when really you've been doing the same thing.

Jester seems to chime in every once in a while and post easy points, and hasn't done much in the way of scum-hunting.

Ok, your first point that I am not the jester is true. I don't see how this makes me scum though. Genuinely pro town is a scum tell??? what?

I never told anyone to vote for you.

Ok, I think your case on TJ is similar to xtoxm's. These are good points though.

Whoops, I forgot the word "don't" in there.

Meaning...........? You don't think I am being pro town? Any examples of this?

[Kmd4390]

I biggest anti-actjesteryplan players were forbiddan, crazy, and myself. [b[Just based on this WIFOM[/b], I would say that either forbiddan or crazy is scum. It's hard to go by this though because I know myself to be town but I went against the plan which I just said could be a scumtell. I didn't understand the purpose of the plan though and if I am remembering correctly, neither did forbiddan. I think Crazy completely understood it but went against it. I'll have to go back and look at this.

This is the post where you think I said everyone should vote for you?!?!? seriously?!?

It's 100% based on WIFOM and I say IN THIS POST that I know myself to be town and did the same thing so I can't really use this against you.

Ok, I remember this now. Rishi was after an easy lynch instead of real suspicion. (which reminds me, we never did see a case) Maybe I was thinking of another game but I thought it was about posting names without cases. Actually it was another game, I remember it now. It was my own suspicion against some one somewhere else.

Sorry for the confusion, I guess I play too much mafia.

This was an arguement that I have seen come up in several games so I assumed it was in this one. It was a very stupid mistake and could have been avoided by me playing more attention and doing rereads. I know this post was stupid but not fake.

[Kmd4390]

sorry i havent been on as of late. for cr3t1n. i have a large feeling hes jester or.. trying to hard to act like scum to make people think it.

Hmm, I don't agree with you there. Cr3t1n did the exact same thing in another game, so I'm thinking that this role-playing stuffz is just what he does, regardless of role.

I can second this. I have seen him do this in another game.

[Kmd4390]

The Jester and Kmd are my top suspects.

reasoning?

[Kmd4390]

The Jester and Kmd are my top suspects.

reasoning?

Okay. Caught up.

More lazy "participation" by Kmd. How hard is it to ask for reasoning? He often tries to look pro-town by asking for people to justify their suspicions (putting in the absolute minimum amount of effort in order to look pro-town), but he rarely posts suspicions of his own.

I asked for reasoning because when you post who is suspicious without reasoning, the person can't defend themself and nobody knows what your case is.

As for my own suspicions, I posted earlier that all I am seeing is WIFOMy suspicions but I can't really use that because the group I'd be looking at includes myself.

I am noticing that people are looking into that same group though. The players who didn't like the jestery plan. (Me, Forbidden, Crazy)

Yeah, it's very clear he's not paying attention, just looking for his name. I may start to turn my eye to him if this keeps up.

Not paying attention?!?!? I have read every word of every post in this game and all others that I am in. When I get home, the first thing I do is catch up on all my games. Maybe I'm not as interested in mafia games as I used to be but I definitely pay attention.

[Kmd4390]

I didn't miss it. I just thought you would have reasoning other than "Here's what Crazy said. He's so smart."

[Kmd4390]

I didn't miss it. I just thought you would have reasoning other than "Here's what Crazy said. He's so smart."

Did you even read my post? That was completely NOT the point of it. The point was to point out Jester was indeed OMGUSing. You know, you aren't making a good case for "Yeah, I'm paying attention"

I'm not so sure it was OMGUS. It looks like either genuine gut (which if that's what it was, he probably shouldn't have voted) or scum trying to find a popular lynch candidate to vote for.

I asked for reasoning because when you post who is suspicious without reasoning, the person can't defend themself and nobody knows what your case is.

As for my own suspicions, I posted earlier that all I am seeing is WIFOMy suspicions but I can't really use that because the group I'd be looking at includes myself.

I am noticing that people are looking into that same group though. The players who didn't like the jestery plan. (Me, Forbidden, Crazy)

I'm not denying that posting suspicions without reasoning is suspect, but it seems like that's all you do with your posts. I mean, anyone except maybe fresh-out-the-box newbies can levy this criticism. My point is not that the criticism isn't valid, it's just that it's too easy. You're only scratching the surface and not delving deeper into anyone's posts. The fact that you don't find anyone scummy is further evidence that you're being lazy.

I don't think that forbiddan [sic] is right that you're not paying attention, but you're not reading as carefully as you should be.

I don't think lazy is the word for it. All of the WIFOM in my head has me tearing out my hair.

[Kmd4390]

Maybe I'm just being to careful knowing that there is a jester in this game...

[Kmd4390]

I can see how it could be OMGUS. I consider OMGUS to be person A votes person B only because person B voted (or suspected in some other way) person A.

Jester's vote may have been scummy but if it was, it's not pure OMGUS. Like I said, maybe he is scum trying to find the most likely lynch candidate to place his vote on.

[Kmd4390]

I think Kmd is worse than TJ. This is

not

an excuse not to scum-hunt, because there are quite a few people in this game that can easily be stamped as non-jester:

Maybe I'm just being to careful knowing that there is a jester in this game...

Other than rishi, who can we say for sure isn't the jester? Rishi is the only player who I see as 100% non-jester.

Is there a case on him? You don't need to reiterate it if there is - just point me to a post.

What I have seen on The Jester (player, not role) is his crazy vote. Forbidden called it OMGUS and I pointed out that it could possibly have been a vote on a popular lynch candidate. xtoxm voted for him early in the day so maybe he has something to add.

[Kmd4390]

Raverblood or myself would be ideal nightkills tonight for scum. I highly doubt that Raverblood will be NK'd though, so I welcome mafia to NK me.
Enough players think that I am either town or jester that they will not be hurt by eliminating me, one way or the other.

You wouldn't rather see the jester (role, not player) NK'd?

So you don't think I am the jester? Awesome.

I didn't say whether you are the jester or not. You are implying that you aren't the jester by welcoming scum to NK you. I am running with this impication and asking why would you want to be NK'd instead of the jester?

I pretty strongly feel Skruffs is town, for the record.

Oh. Right.

Still feel Skruffs is town.

Wait, what? Before this, you say you only "didn't want to see him lynched", not that you thought he was town. Now crazy shows you where you said you think he is town and you come out with what looks like a "Oh yeah, is that what I think? Yeah, I think he's town then."

FoS Rishi

[Kmd4390]

I May not be able to post until Monday night.

[Kmd4390]

Wait, what? Before this, you say you only "didn't want to see him lynched", not that you thought he was town. Now crazy shows you where you said you think he is town and you come out with what looks like a "Oh yeah, is that what I think? Yeah, I think he's town then."

FoS Rishi

Seriously, dude, try harder.

Yeah, that explains it perfectly.......

[Kmd4390]

Go town....

[Kmd4390]

Hmmm.
Congrats to Cr3tin.
Crazy and raver were the scum...didn't see that coming.
My vote would have been on TJ especially after he didn't hammer so it would be a non-jester lynch.

[Kmd4390]

True.
It would have been safe to go after raver and everyone was already suspicious of crazy.

[Kmd4390]

not gonna tell us.....