White Flag - TM2020

[Dannflor]

okay so

whoever is trying to make arguments about the nightkills being anything other than because they are universal obvious town reads are either scum or really bad town (that's pretty much a direct quote with Ank and I agree with the sentiment)

Also, it should probably be noted that both Dunn and Ceph had my slot as basically their highest town read while we're looking at dead people's reads.

@Dong, I feel like Dann/Gobble makes way more sense than Dann/Auro, even from my perspective. What makes you so convinced us two specifically are partners? I'm still thinking your bad town here (no offense) over scum, but I can't understand your thought process.

Ank also wanted me to post that she's not tolerating a fast day. She wants time this weekend to do some deeper analysis. I would also like the time to make sure Gobble/FF/etc. get fully into the game.

Overall, I'm still not too too concerned about this game despite the double town flip given my top town read has died basically three times in a row now (Kitty > Dunn > Ceph) so it's pretty clear I'm not like super pocketed. I lean towards a Gobble lynch today unless his catchup is like, immediately mind blowing. Not interested in ending the day without more FF either.

Viola.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Gobbles

[gobbledygook]

Still working on the vca, which is what I was working on.

But my team and I think that a good starting point is BBmolla and Fish are town with how Day 1 played out at the end. I would be very surprised if the town was that accurate to nab all three scum at the tail end of Day 1. That said, BBmolla in my eyes HAS to be town because he was the direct counter wagon to scum NSG. Fish also in my eyes is probably town because NSG was the counterwagon to him. If they are both scum that means both those wagons had to be town driven which I think is unlikely given the main drivers of the BBmolla wagon were at the time voting Fish.


From there things get really hard for my team and I.

EP thinks that scum is within {Dong, Auro, Dann}. Menalque thinks scum is within {Cheeky, Dong, Dann}

I keep going back and forth between thinking like a Dong/Auro team or a Cheeky/Dann team. If it is Cheeky/Dann I think town just loses. EP did posit that at this stage he thinks scum are likely to hard bus to make associatives look better. I am a little bit more inclined to go with EP’s group because he has been reading a bit more of my game but pretty much my team is dealing with their own stuff and not really paying attention to anyone’s games super attentively.

My real problem is with the {Auro, Cheeky, Dann} group because I think that at least one of them should have died by now. I thought all of them were townier and presented more of a threat individually + as megaphones for their team than either KittyMo or Dunnstral and looking at Ceph’s lack of enthusiasm as the game moved forward, him too. My team has been going back and forth on whether it’s likely the kills were done in a way to kill the “second block” of towniest players because the “first block of towniest players” contains a scum.

I do think that to solve this game the answer lies in the wagon analysis because bussing in white flag is tantamount to suicide. EP does want to remind me that apparently as the game gets closer to end, bussing becomes more prevalent though to throw off associatives

[gobbledygook]

Oh wow that’s funny we all were posting at the same time

[gobbledygook]

Honestly Dann, I put very little stock in you or your teams reads because from my perspective of team mafia, they have been trash directed at us.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Gobbles

Why?

[BBmolla]

Dann who would gobbles partner be

Both Auro and Cheeky have continuously been on turkey

FF is town

Titus wants either Auro or Cheeky. Believes them to be scum, my issue is I can’t name a game where two last scum were in top 3 posters

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Gobbles

Why?

You’ve been sitting around two days

Most painful loss here is against you as scum when you lurked two days

But yeah I can’t come up with a reasonable partner

UNVOTE:

[BBmolla]

Tbh I think Gobbles > Cheeky results in a game win. Unless anyone strongly believes in Dong/Auro as the scum team.

[gobbledygook]

Dann who would gobbles partner be

Both Auro and Cheeky have continuously been on turkey

FF is town

Titus wants either Auro or Cheeky. Believes them to be scum, my issue is I can’t name a game where two last scum were in top 3 posters

You were just in one with Pisskop as second highest poster as scum in micromence vengeful like a month ago lol

[BBmolla]

Both scum?

[BBmolla]

Mafia being on top 3 posters is common. Being 2/3 in top 3 is rare.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Gobbles

Why?

You’ve been sitting around two days

Most painful loss here is against you as scum when you lurked two days

But yeah I can’t come up with a reasonable partner

UNVOTE:

It would be but I’m not scum. At this point lynching me is the LEAST productive thing or beneficial thing you all can do because I’m back and contributing.

[CheekyTeeky]

Gobbles/FF are terrible lynches because if you take a look around we're all obviously set up to vote there. You can argue Cephrir as the universal town read but uh he was lurking doing nothing as opposed to kitty/dunn so really Dann would have been next with the attempted town spew yesterday. The other possibility is that Dann is here as mislynch bait but then I feel like his reads and his team are just terrible and he really should be revaluating better on how we got to this point. Yes all the NKs townread him yet all the lynchees that were town scumread him. I don't think the skill of your team outweighs your flip anymore tbh. Anyway...

Let's assume Dann is town and Eddie is having an mbaki day where he mislynches until lylo...then the only people who could be orchestrating this F7 without direct suspicion is BB and Dong. Nobody here is gunning for their lynches so them killing Cephrir also makes sense. I have a problem with Dong and BB being scum because of NSG wagon events.

BB could you tell me what happened to your Dong tunnel from Day 1? At what point did you end up townreading Dong?

[gobbledygook]

Mafia being on top 3 posters is common. Being 2/3 in top 3 is rare.

If I’m right about Dong this could make sense.

[BBmolla]

Hey I unvoted you

Let’s just win today

[BBmolla]

Gobbles/FF are terrible lynches because if you take a look around we're all obviously set up to vote there. You can argue Cephrir as the universal town read but uh he was lurking doing nothing as opposed to kitty/dunn so really Dann would have been next with the attempted town spew yesterday. The other possibility is that Dann is here as mislynch bait but then I feel like his reads and his team are just terrible and he really should be revaluating better on how we got to this point. Yes all the NKs townread him yet all the lynchees that were town scumread him. I don't think the skill of your team outweighs your flip anymore tbh. Anyway...

Let's assume Dann is town and Eddie is having an mbaki day where he mislynches until lylo...then the only people who could be orchestrating this F7 without direct suspicion is BB and Dong. Nobody here is gunning for their lynches so them killing Cephrir also makes sense. I have a problem with Dong and BB being scum because of NSG wagon events.

BB could you tell me what happened to your Dong tunnel from Day 1? At what point did you end up townreading Dong?

I’m apparently the only one who thinks Dong is scummy so I figured it must be playstyle

[CheekyTeeky]

Mafia being on top 3 posters is common. Being 2/3 in top 3 is rare.

I was top poster in that scum game against you.

[BBmolla]

Auro - 4 (Cephrir, Hopkirk, Espeonage, Formerfish)

[BBmolla]

Mafia being on top 3 posters is common. Being 2/3 in top 3 is rare.

I was top poster in that scum game against you.

Where was your partner in terms of posting

[gobbledygook]

I would like us to not speed through today. I am going out drinking tomorrow night and Friday night, but I have a lot of availability on Saturday and Sunday if we all can try to be on those days. I know it’s the weekend and mafia is just a game but I would like a bit more real time interaction with you all.

I will be here during the early mornings on Thursday and Friday though.

[BBmolla]

Cheeky do you still think I’m scum

[CheekyTeeky]

I’m apparently the only one who thinks Dong is scummy so I figured it must be playstyle

Right so you townread Dong because they're too scummy to be scum kinda thing?

[BBmolla]

I’m apparently the only one who thinks Dong is scummy so I figured it must be playstyle

Right so you townread Dong because they're too scummy to be scum kinda thing?

You all did. Plus who comes in like he did today. Who kills Ceph and goes for Auro?

[BBmolla]

Are you interrogating me or are we working together Cheeky