Open 771: Pollock's Flag [endgame!]

[rb]

also i asked you to show where i apparently was rude to you, and your response was me snarkily disagreeing with you about a read

and literally nothing else i said was even remotely rude

[rb]

don't worry, i do hate you

[AaronFrost]

I keep rereading TSH's posts, and I'm not seeing the "defensiveness."

285 reads like coming from town who feels like they've been unfairly accused and think they're being pushed by scum.

290 is pretty nuanced. It's also indicative of TSH not kneejerk OMGUS'ing everyone who votes him, i.e. not defensive.

That's not the impressions I got from those posts at all. 285 especially felt like a kneejerk reaction.

I don't get why he understands Hectic and your votes on him but not Amrun's?

[AaronFrost]

Something about TSE's posting style feels clunky and hard to read as well and it's not a posting style I've seen him use in other games before

[Pink Ball]

don't worry, i do hate you

That's fine

[AaronFrost]

rb is definitely town here

[AaronFrost]

What’s your read on rb and PB, tsh?

rb's weird switch of focus off me was bizarre and especially how they half avoided the question when i called them out for it, nullscum maybe cus im tempted to pass it off as them being stressed
pb is a bit of a wildcard, their clash with rb seems a little bullshit since they both got very very close to ad hominem attacks right out the gate of their interaction, if rb is to be scum they

might

be as well

ill ping tse and tell them to respond to this post too when they get on
-mm

rb is not scum here, and even if he is, then there is no situation where rb and PB are scum together.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

That's not the impressions I got from those posts at all. 285 especially felt like a kneejerk reaction.

I don't get why he understands Hectic and your votes on him but not Amrun's?

285 is him arguing that bad != scummy. Amrun voted for TSH because his posts were bad.

He didn't seem to understand me or Hectic's reasons for voting him at first either until after we explained it.

[AaronFrost]

I'll have to take a look at Pink Ball tomorrow since he was another one I had considered voting. I mostly skimmed the last few pages where him and rb were going at each other.

[AaronFrost]

That's not the impressions I got from those posts at all. 285 especially felt like a kneejerk reaction.

I don't get why he understands Hectic and your votes on him but not Amrun's?

285 is him arguing that bad != scummy. Amrun voted for TSH because his posts were bad.

He didn't seem to understand me or Hectic's reasons for voting him at first either until after we explained it.

I think that's objectively wrong though. Like if you're calling out someone for bad posting, then it stands to imply that you're scumreading them. Like you're not gonna say 'yeah their posts are bad but I think they're town' unless someone is like being super toxic or something.

Even so, bad posting is enough to warrant a vote early game.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

The point is, does TSE see it the same way you do and is just lying here or does he genuinely think differently? I still lean towards the latter.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

And town makes bad posts all the time. I frequently call people bad town

[TrueSoulHustler]

What’s your read on rb and PB, tsh?

rb's weird switch of focus off me was bizarre and especially how they half avoided the question when i called them out for it, nullscum maybe cus im tempted to pass it off as them being stressed
pb is a bit of a wildcard, their clash with rb seems a little bullshit since they both got very very close to ad hominem attacks right out the gate of their interaction, if rb is to be scum they

might

be as well

ill ping tse and tell them to respond to this post too when they get on
-mm

RB is Null.
I felt that they were being sorta a town leader and providing content.
Although the interactions between our slot and them was a weird interaction.

I don’t have a clear read on PB TBH. But if it helps with PoE I wouldn’t directly be against lynching them.
Like if we lynch someone, it should be someone who could help us solve upon their flip.

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

What’s your read on rb and PB, tsh?

rb's weird switch of focus off me was bizarre and especially how they half avoided the question when i called them out for it, nullscum maybe cus im tempted to pass it off as them being stressed
pb is a bit of a wildcard, their clash with rb seems a little bullshit since they both got very very close to ad hominem attacks right out the gate of their interaction, if rb is to be scum they

might

be as well

ill ping tse and tell them to respond to this post too when they get on
-mm

rb is not scum here, and even if he is, then there is no situation where rb and PB are scum together.

What’s your read on Amrun?

-TSE

[AaronFrost]

I'll be mostly V/LA tomorrow, maybe be able to check in at night

PEDIT: weak townlean on Amrun

[TrueSoulHustler]

Something about TSE's posting style feels clunky and hard to read as well and it's not a posting style I've seen him use in other games before

What pings you as off exactly?
My “scum read (-) Bad Read” Post?

[TrueSoulHustler]

I'll be mostly V/LA tomorrow, maybe be able to check in at night

PEDIT: weak townlean on Amrun

Townlean?
Question.
Do you believe Hectic, CSF, RB and Amrun are all Town/TownLean?
As they have all shown interested and have or still is voting me.

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

I’d like AF to answer that question when he has time!

-TSE

[TrueSoulHustler]

I keep rereading TSH's posts, and I'm not seeing the "defensiveness."

285 reads like coming from town who feels like they've been unfairly accused and think they're being pushed by scum.

290 is pretty nuanced. It's also indicative of TSH not kneejerk OMGUS'ing everyone who votes him, i.e. not defensive.

That's not the impressions I got from those posts at all. 285 especially felt like a kneejerk reaction.

I don't get why he understands Hectic and your votes on him but not Amrun's?

No huh?
Look at it this way.
Hectic and CSF Voted me for different reasons.
Amrun didn’t.
They just joined on the wagon to increase Numbers.
They were in no means actual applying any pressure.
They claim it’s my “Reactions” if I remember correctly.
Although when they voted me they barley mentioned any of that.
So would you care where your Townlean on Amrun comes from?
Because if it comes from their vote on me. Then the Townlean shouldn’t be there.

[TrueSoulHustler]

-TSE

[the worst]

rb has requested replacement.

[Amrun]

your scumread on him started _welll before_ any of the further stuff you mentioned occurred

and it persisted even after it was obvious he was genuinely busy

When it was obvious he was genuinely busy I unvoted, that's when I said you didn't get my sense of humor because of fucking course I didn't unvote him for speaking spanish.

I revoted him 'cause now I'm pretty sure you're hatchening.

I'm not making this game about me and you 'cause you clearly wanted this, you're obsessed. Bye!

Why wouldn’t you be voting rb in this case?

This doesn’t make sense.

[Pink Ball]

Hatchening implies defending their buddy, it makes perfect sense. I think that clidd is scum, and that rb is his partner. I think clidd has a higher chance of being an important flag

[clidd]

Good morning.

I believe that due to the conflict of interests yesterday, brokered by

RB

and

Pink Ball

, it was not possible for a significant development of the other players, in general, considering the semi-monopoly generated by the heat of the moment. The conclusions of both sides, looking at it from a third angle, were not intended to contribute to the resolution of the game, but to win an argument, compounded by personal involvement and intense chemical reactions each time a post was answered. It is important to emphasize that, given the nature of this game, the effort applied in a possible scenario in which the two protesters are, in fact, partners would not be justified, especially by the archetype that this type of strategy proposes. So,

Pinkball

and

RB

being in the same scum team is extremely unlikely, if not impossible under the current circumstances.

However, to fully understand the progress of the facts, I will give my opinion on this case:

clidd pop up was pretty scummy tho

Initially,

PB

was looking for some read that would allow an opening window out of the random voting stage, consequently, increasing the accuracy of the information that he would eventually gain by doing this, something that, in particular, I believe to be correct given the sporadic peculiarities of the first day. This would explain the actions in posts 9, 14, 20, 22, 34, 56 and 102, considering that he did not yet have a horizon to be based on, therefore, spontaneously manifested interpersonal traits of his behavioral pattern. I made a comparison with the beginning of the game

'' Open 745 [Game Over] ''

and

'' Micro 840 ''

, where these characteristics are manifested in a similar way (he was town in both), distancing himself, for example, from the game

'' Newbie 1903 [Game Over] ''

, where there was a bigger concern in the initial phase (he was scum).

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VOTE: pink ball

l e t ' s g o

of the 3 people perpetuating the "rushing in" jokes, pink ball is the one who isn't actually playing game

hectic and CSF are joking and playing game at same time

pink ball's probably scum, hectic and csf probably town

The internal motivation to put

PB

as a scum was probably generated by an interpretive peculiarity, not necessarily the vote on me. This was clarified by the second post, in sequence, that characterized it as an initial speculation.

Now that I'm released from my burden:

Tomorrow i'll post my reads.

Coming back to this, this popup was like newbscum wanting to say something out of pressure.

VOTE: clidd

In this post there is a great theorization far ahead of the observed point, suggesting a twist of the facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. There was no explanation of how the '' pressure '' index was measured, nor how it would necessarily lead to the scenario which I would post just for '' posting ''. Evidently, although the intention was to point out an eventuality outside the scope encompassed by the perception of

PB

, very little was developed to support this read and, possibly, get it out of the superficial sphere. As background material, I would suggest seeing my two complete games (

Newbie 1980

/

Micro 918

) for a better base.

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Pressure: "I should say something or people will suspect me for being quiet". Self pressure is a thing

And clidd appearing just when I mentioned him? Lol

Thanks for being respectful clidd, I appreciate that. I'll disengage, I really don't want to get toxic. Sorry you had to roll scum with rb

So TSH is black flag, rb grey flag and clidd white flag, got it

Goodnight everyone, hope to interact with town tomorrow! Reminder to see clidd's threats like the scummiest thing I've seen in this game, maybe in the entire mafiascum history!

As part of the supposed logical sequence established by an ideal scenario that, unconsciously, tries to confirm the

PB

hypothesis, these posts ends up reducing a large part of the possibilities to theoretically adapt to the previously proposed read. In other words,

PB

ends up not noticing, but his vision slowly begins to close, moving away from the rational and judgmental scope, as he adopts a more closed and direct posture to the psychological security of ensuring his point of view. It is interesting to note that it occurs independently of alignment, so this phenomenon can be associated with both:

town mindset

and

scum mindset

, depending on the analysis.

please be scum

please be scum

do you know what this setup is? it's an open game

NOW LOOK AT HECTIC'S POSTS

and im gonna go fucking kill myself, bye

/replace

calling me obsessive when your only fucking content is with like two slots the entire game while im interacting with like almost every slot

F U C K O F F

The behavior exhaled by typing has significant emotional evidence, demonstrating a deep dissatisfaction and anger after engaging in conversation with

PB

. I do not believe that they would actually be able to simulate a natural chemical disorder and transmit it via text, just as it is unlikely that

PB

's reactions would be premeditated to gradually increase the other party's emotional factor.

''

Scum team

? ''

no, unlikely.

''

Opposite alignments

? ''

possible, but remote.

''

Town alignment both

? ''

it is the most likely hypothesis, in my view, at least for now. This reminds me of the collision I had with a player, in a past game (which I mentioned above). In the end, we were both town. The post that starts the brief conflict is

59

.

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Well, this is a basic summary that gives the initial conclusion:

Pink Ball:

Town, but incredibly stunned. It is still a viable lynch if we consider the selective elimination policy. Of course, it would be interesting to avoid this.

RB:

Lock-town, demonstrated consistency in making their emotional conditions explicit.

[clidd]

And again, I was respectful about the case. I hope to see a significant improvement of PinkBall, otherwise, I will classify him as an element that must be eliminated in order to proceed with the game.