Everything Is Still A Lie v2 [Canceled]

[VaultDweller]

I'm here and caught up.

Probably going to vote Not Guilty since my D1 reads are usually horrible so it's basically a gamble at this point.

[VaultDweller]

Looks like I signed up for the wrong game. I'm bad at shitposting.

[VaultDweller]

You can be the amazing voice of reason

Too funny

[VaultDweller]

I beg to differ. I was seriously contemplating voting guilty for the lulz

[VaultDweller]

Looks like I signed up for the wrong game. I'm bad at shitposting.

go to a GIF website

start commenting on posts using gifs only

profit

Spoiler:

[VaultDweller]

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I'll wait until the signal-to-noise ratio reaches an acceptable level

[VaultDweller]

Looks like I signed up for the wrong game. I'm bad at shitposting.

or you can
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contribute
-mm

I was quoting this

[VaultDweller]

Ok. Here's my first read.

All players whose name start with an I are town.

[VaultDweller]

I'm still convinced Ico/Ins is TvT. Could be wrong, but that's just where I'm at.

[VaultDweller]

where are you on mena?

Was this directed at me? And do you want a read on Mena specifically or the whole slot?

[VaultDweller]

where are you on mena?

Was this directed at me? And do you want a read on Mena specifically or the whole slot?

yeah. whole slot

It's too early to say. The way they had a strong opinion on the Ico/Ins interaction could be opportunistic scum, especially if it is TvT like I suspect. If I'm wrong and it's TvS it could still be scum trying to either save their partner or gaining towncred by pushing their partner.

All that being said, I find nothing inherently scummy in the way they are pushing Insomnia as well as their reads on him, so it is more likely that they are just town trying to actually solve. A quick skim of their ISO also shows a relatively high number of posts trying to solve, unlike most other players in the game.

[VaultDweller]

Glad you asked. Going through his ISO properly it doesn't seem so townie as I remember.

What's wrong with Icon's progression there, Insom?

This is the first time (and only before the next quote) he mentions Insomnia

-gun

660 is a nice wall, though I don't get why the quoted posts or the fact Insom commented on our avi make them towny?

This is a strange post. Of the entire wall Insomnia is the only player he mentions.

-gun

What is your vote achieving if it's placed on someone that you disagree with? Like are you gonna lynch me for not having the same opinion as you?

I would like some examples where scum have pushed Iconeum based on meta before, when you wake up, please.

My vote isn't on you purely because "I disagree with you". I think that Icon is being pushed for things that appear bad but are actually NAI.

And I never said that. I said he'd be pushed for things that aren't scum indicative but look bad.

-gun

This is basically a summary of his reasoning. Which all in all isn't that strong a read IMO, unlike the tone of the previous posts which seemed to indicate he was quite convinced Insomnia is scum. I personally also find it an ironic read, since G&R's push is also based on something which isn't scum indicative but look bad.

[VaultDweller]

Oops, quotes got mangled. Here is a proper version

Glad you asked. Going through his ISO properly it doesn't seem so townie as I remember.

What's wrong with Icon's progression there, Insom?



-gun

This is the first time (and only before the next quote) he mentions Insomnia

660 is a nice wall, though I don't get why the quoted posts or the fact Insom commented on our avi make them towny?

-gun

This is a strange post. Of the entire wall Insomnia is the only player he mentions.

What is your vote achieving if it's placed on someone that you disagree with? Like are you gonna lynch me for not having the same opinion as you?

I would like some examples where scum have pushed Iconeum based on meta before, when you wake up, please.

My vote isn't on you purely because "I disagree with you". I think that Icon is being pushed for things that appear bad but are actually NAI.

And I never said that. I said he'd be pushed for things that aren't scum indicative but look bad.

-gun

This is basically a summary of his reasoning. Which all in all isn't that strong a read IMO, unlike the tone of the previous posts which seemed to indicate he was quite convinced Insomnia is scum. I personally also find it an ironic read, since G&R's push is also based on something which isn't scum indicative but look bad.

[VaultDweller]

The point I'm trying to make is that it seems like he has some kind of vendetta against Insomnia.

[VaultDweller]

the fact that he is a *highly* mislynchable player

Pushing a highly mislynchable player doesn't make you scum. I'm a highly mislynchable player and the players pushing me usually turn out to be town.

[VaultDweller]

Why do you read icon v insom as TvT?

A gut feel I guess. The way they are both convinced the other is scum feels like TvT from past experience. Admittedly this isn't a strong read, but the strongest I've got atm.

[VaultDweller]

the fact that he is a *highly* mislynchable player

Pushing a highly mislynchable player doesn't make you scum. I'm a highly mislynchable player and the players pushing me usually turn out to be town.

Pushing mislynchable players bc they did something that looks scummy instead of trying to read them more deeply is definitely +scum and the inability of towns to go beyond the surface level of mislynch bait is one of the main reasons they lose

-rose

Give me a proper read on Insomnia then. Because FMPOV you are pushing them because they did something that looks scummy instead of trying to read them more deeply.

[VaultDweller]

Idrk what you want beyond what I’m giving you?

I think there’s a meaningful distinction between “X is scummy for lolvoting, let’s lynch them”

And “X is making a really bad faith push due to something that’s NAI, let’s lynch them”

Do you disagree that the second example is bad faith or do you disagree that pushing in bad faith is genuinely scummy?

I disagree that the push was in bad faith. I think Insomnia genuinely sees Ico's behaviour as scummy and is pushing him for that. From what you're telling me it's normal Ico behaviour which makes him mislynchable, but Isomnia seems to disagree with that. That in itself doesn't make Insomnia scum. If you can give me more than that I might reconsider, but that's where I'm at.

[VaultDweller]

I agree, let's lynch some lurkers

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

[VaultDweller]

I'm not sure I townread rose for that tantrum.

Ditto

[VaultDweller]

I got prodded. I agree with Fonz that the majority of scum is probably in the lurkers, but trying to identify them D1 is next to impossible.

VOTE: zeebu

But let's try anyway

[VaultDweller]

OK

VOTE: ceejayvinoya

[VaultDweller]

VOTE: zeebu

Seems like this random lurker wagon is gaining more traction

[VaultDweller]

I am Town

[VaultDweller]

Can't wait to see what FA wants with this

[VaultDweller]

Spoiler:

[VaultDweller]

I always coast, regardless of my alignment/role. I mention it in each of my games, and I should probably make it my sig, but on MU I'm known as a serial lurker.

[VaultDweller]

I forgot to mention I'm V/LA until Tuesday

[VaultDweller]

Hardclaim Town Complex Strongman Vengeful tbh

If I’m lynched I can strongman kill a player, but it fails if they’re vanilla tbh

VOTE: Chemist1422 tbh

Very interesting claim, given what I learned last night

[VaultDweller]

Caught up.

I received Role Cop as my invention last night. I RC'ed agaar. I received "Complex Strongman Vengeful 1-Shot Bulletproof 3-Shot Unversal Miller Jester" back for him. Make of that what you will

[VaultDweller]

VOTE: chemist1422

[VaultDweller]

I'm as surprised as you are. Actually, I got their entire role PM quoted to me, with only two parts redacted: The name part, which implies it could have been someone else's PM, and the whole part under a heading "Personal PT".

[VaultDweller]

I'm as surprised as you are. Actually, I got their entire role PM quoted to me, with only two parts redacted: The name part, which implies it could have been someone else's PM, and the whole part under a heading "Personal PT".

If my roleblock vig on them was redirceted it means your ability was also redirected

What are the odds it got redirected to Chemist given his claim?

[VaultDweller]

Caught up.

I received Role Cop as my invention last night. I RC'ed agaar. I received "Complex Strongman Vengeful 1-Shot Bulletproof 3-Shot Unversal Miller Jester" back for him. Make of that what you will

Also, a Role Cop only learns about the ROLE of the target, but not their Modifiers/number of shots.

It was a GIM role. Which probably could have that ability.
Also, a different effect that was supposed to hit AGAAR hit Chemist instead last night, so that probably happened for the role cop as well.

Probably this.

How long does the "no flip" thing last? Because Chemist's flip would clarify a lot.

[VaultDweller]

Oh wait...

VOTE: VaultDweller
Day 1 when PeaHen pushed me for voting VaultDweller I wondered if PeaHen was scum defending an 'inno' partner. That's a lot more likely now that I know PeaHen was Mafia. (To be fair, it could also just be PeaHen trying to push an easy mislynch on me for voting an IC.)

Not sure how to defend against this.

I'm probably not a bad lynch though since I don't have any active powers.

[VaultDweller]

W.r.t. the questions, we should probably try asking questions with binary answers (e.g. yes or no questions). That way, if we can figure out which answer is the truth we automatically know the answers to the other questions. Some suggestions:

- Are there any other factions still alive except for Town, Mafia and Cult?
- Is there a player alive who is still able to actively recruit members to the cult faction?

[VaultDweller]

@vault

did anything happen to you last night?

you seem to happy to be lynched.

Not that I know of. I'd prefer not to be lynched, but if we're gonna mislynch someone it might as well be me.

[VaultDweller]

I'm not mod confirmed IC. And even if I was, I could be cult right now for all you know. Which means I'm basically a VT for all practical purposes.

[VaultDweller]

There's four areas of possibility here:

VaultDweller is town, and has a balanced Venge type role (if it were OP VaultDweller would want to be lynched)

VaultDweller is town, and has a slam dunk Last Will active

VaultDweller is a cult or traitor, lynching there would mean not lynching a high value target'

VaultDweller doesn't actually want to be (mis)lynched if he has to be

It's definitely not 1 or 2.

If it's 3 or 4, you probably don't want to lynch me.

Which makes the choice of whether or not to lynch me easy from you POV.

[VaultDweller]

Prodge post. Will post again tomorrow.

[VaultDweller]

I think I'm willing to die for this:

VOTE: dreaminglich

ObvScum tried to recruit them to the Jury last night. I went for someone else with good reasoning and the other Jusrists (bar Korina) went my way. With ObvScum being conf!Scum I now have the evidence that dreaminglich is indeed a Mafioso, which is something I suspected was true but didn't have proof of.

P.S. Yes. Dead Jurists will still retain their place (and vote) in the Jury PT. Not even death can prevent you from serving your jury duty.

VOTE: DreamingLich

Partly because I actually believe this but mostly for self-pres.

[VaultDweller]

More than 12 hours without a post. Zzz

[VaultDweller]

idk i feel like we're all abstaining and it's kind of bad

Then don't

[VaultDweller]

I'm here, but don't have anything to add really.

[VaultDweller]

Why am I not dead yet?