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A message from Eddie Cane!
In post 2552, Cephrir wrote:Yeah if dann is scum he can just win for that, I'm good.
You guys are fucking idiots if you think these night kills ever make sense for a scum!Dann who was being pushed by multiple players on both days (Cheeky, Gobble, Esp, Hopkirk, Formerfish). Fucking idiots. Fucking reminding me why I quit this fucking site. Fucking idiots. Fucking idiots. I really really HOPE to god that I am wrong and you are just scum here Cheeky, because you're playing worse than fucking licketyquickety. Fucking idiots. Fuck you all. Yes, of course a wagon of Dong + Gobble + Cheeky + FF will hit scum. Sure. Fucking idiots.In post 1788, Dunnstral wrote:I don't want to lynch Dannflor,
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absolutely stellar btwIn post 3829, Formerfish wrote:I keep going back to Danns posts towards Auro and I think i finally put my finger on something that was bugging me. Danns engagement with Auro looks a lot like what happened in 1942 with Icon/Imp/Myself.
Imp was scum and had captured Icons agency and they fought me tooth and nail to the point where i lost my fucking mind and posted more myself than newbies games are usually long.
It would explain my shit read on Auro as well, since its being driven by someone other than himself.
VOTE: Dann- Dannflor
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Does Dong voting with you there give you any doubt?In post 3848, Formerfish wrote:
Didnt realize that you had a monopoly on self doubt and self doubting your self doubt.In post 3845, Dannflor wrote:Also, what exactly happened to FF reconsidering Dong and deciding he was the scummiest slot today over Auro/Me?
The sudden epiphanies are very convenient and even in the scenario he's town, not good reasoning.
I'm confused who you think my team is if it's not Auro and it seems like instead of naturally doubting yourself, you've just completely forgotten the read you just had. Like, are you town reading Dong now? Did your epiphany on me have an effect on his status at all?- Dannflor
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In post 3854, Formerfish wrote:They are making a momentary moment of doubt about you out to be some kind of damning evidence.X- Dannflor
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Is your reasoning for voting me here not literally that it gut-feels like I'm pocketing Auro? Who would be my partner in the case that Auro is town?In post 3829, Formerfish wrote:I keep going back to Danns posts towards Auro and I think i finally put my finger on something that was bugging me. Danns engagement with Auro looks a lot like what happened in 1942 with Icon/Imp/Myself.
Imp was scum and had captured Icons agency and they fought me tooth and nail to the point where i lost my fucking mind and posted more myself than newbies games are usually long.
It would explain my shit read on Auro as well, since its being driven by someone other than himself.
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Okay. What had you feeling town about Dong again? I understand moments of weakness/self-doubt.In post 3861, Formerfish wrote:My PoE has it down to 2 people, you and Auro. I know there is a chance that im wrong, so im saying I want you first because.
I dont get what is so hard to understand about what ive been saying. Ive been more than forward about most of it.
What did you see in Dong that set you straight again?- Dannflor
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Say I flip town, is your solve Dong/Auro?In post 3868, Formerfish wrote:His case on Auro, how fucking chill he was about me even having a doubt about him.
I had time to think about how just because something happened in one game that i could see happening here doesnt mean that that likelihood is high, just that it exists.- Dannflor
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Auro literally said if the lynch went through on him to kill Cheeky next.In post 3872, Formerfish wrote:Like while you should have been taking a 2nd look at her you didnt- Dannflor
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How so?In post 3982, Auro wrote:I think a prepared reaction from Dong would've been different.- Dannflor
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like this specificallyIn post 4156, Auro wrote:Dongempire's reaction to the fakehammer seems to come from town over scum knowing it was a fakehammer. He isn't bothering a lot about his own lynch. He's angry that I said Molla will hammer me, and that comes from town.- Dannflor
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A lot of it comes from the fact that BB has been a consistent voice of reason this day phase, not unlike you. Unlike Dong/FF, he's not just jumping on the easiest wagon but actually defending his reads against the typhoons that are me/you/Cheeky. His progression on Cheeky today was especially natural imo and mirrored my thoughts exactly.
I also think a BB/Gobble team is unlikely... which I know you'll hate hearing me say. Not impossible, just like... unlikely. In fact the only team I'd really be worried about with BB in it is BB/Cheeky. But I've kind of established at this point that if Cheeky is scum I'll just lose to her.
I'm trying to search for more reasons beyond *gut*, because I know you want more than that. But I think it's really hard for me to even consider him as scum (and the same goes for you to some extent) when almost every other slot has been either unreasonable or utilizing moon logic to justify their pushes. I don't think his solve of Dong/Auro is necessarily *bad*. I still think you're very independently townie but I understand where it comes from because of how much your turn on him threw me. In fact, I think his commitment to Dong when you've been a ready lynch this whole day phase is a generally good look, because I think Dong is ultimately the easier lynch in LyLo than you.- Dannflor
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Dong/Gobble is possible but I see your pointIn post 4195, Auro wrote:I'll flip it. Look at the gamestate. If you believe I'm town then the only viable partner for Dong is FF and that too seems super weak from their combined play; this automatically makes Gobbles, or even FF a superior lynch. Given fmpov I'm town, you should understand the turn on the slot *from me*.- Dannflor
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I'll do this in a little bit btwIn post 4156, Auro wrote:His defense of Gobbles in D2 was weird af, please re-read the posts. That's not the usual area where Molla gets emotional. He doesn't give that much of a shit if a townread of his is being wagoned on D2 *after* a scum lynch. Consider the counter hypothetical. Would he care if his partner was being wagoned to death? No shit? Obviously he'd have to come in and defend his partner - there was too much momentum to start an attack elsewhere. The AtE in those pages is extreme. He asks to be lynched instead because town is so shit. Yet, he acknowledges that there are valid points for scum Gob. He admits his read of Gob is from "gut" from a few posts.
I remember this differently from how you describe so maybe I need to re-vet here- Dannflor
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Cheeky,In post 4131, CheekyTeeky wrote:BB why doesn't Dong lynch gobbles or FF today?
the win condition for an FF/Dong team, or EVEN an Dong/Gobble or what have you team, is to push Dann -> Auro or Auro -> Dann
Considering you and BBmolla are like the most universally town read players at this junction, kissing up to you two (both scum read Auro at start of day) and making up some bullshit to town read whoever in the [Dong/Gobble/FF] is town that they can easily go back on in LyLo works.
Like... Dong scum doesn't push the other "LHF" or whatever terminology you want to use because that fucks him
it also helps they were not the clear cut easier lynch coming in to today- Dannflor
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can you quote that?In post 4205, Auro wrote:"Hmm might be Auro/Dann", how does that look obvtown?
sorry I'm running around atm without a lot of time and didn't see that catching up
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Auro is not within his scum range. That’s the strong opinion of both Ankamius and Duck. EC and I don’t have meta but we strongly town read him individually.
There’s been emotion creeping into his more recent posts that is extremely genuine. It’s actually frustration about not being listened to. Not once, however, have I picked up on any panic about being run-up or lynched. I have NEVER gotten that impression from him. Not once this game despite the pressure exerted on him. People aren’t looking at Auro with what is actually alignment indicative. It’s the same fucking circus since D1. People for some reason don’t like his posts and find ways to scum read it rather than actually looking at his ISO objectively.
I would be paranoid of Cheeky before truly reconsidering my Auro read more than briefly and even then, Cheeky is most likely just town.
Auro’s trajectories are nonsensical from a scum perspective, especially considering the whole reason he’s being rung up again is his shift to a town read on Dong.
If you don’t buy it’s FF/Dong because of the shitty distancing they did that, hey, actually paid off, then fine. If you look at them as objectively as you should be looking at Auro their content is still atrocious and there aren’t good reasons that I’ve seen to town read them.
But Auro, and Cheeky I guess, are always town here.
I repeat, Auro is always town here.
To make it more clear, if I die today:
AURO IS NOT TO BE TOUCHED IN YOUR FUCKING LYLO- Dannflor
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EC still has the largest amount of paranoia about Cheeky because he has too much respect for her to believe she can play this poorly as town.In post 4262, Auro wrote:
I don't know why you'd rather trust Dong and FF's reasoning over your own in case of either flip in {Dann/Auro}. Look at Dong's and FF's tunnels on me. The chance that they'd flip their read because it would forIn post 4260, CheekyTeeky wrote:Lol I'm not going to hard defend you when I don't even know if you're town.youis quite low.
A big factor in your play, Cheeky, is that you seem to think everyone behaves like you as town.
That line of thinking allows you to "trust" Dong and FF in LyLo.
That line of thinking makes you question my slot when I "calmly" react to your "batshit scumminess".
That line of thinking makes you question my slot when I show little paranoia about Dann.
Like, Cheeky, you have to realize that if you’re wrong on me and Auro, which you are, the rest of the game has been desperately trying to align themselves with you since the beginning of the day. Wake up. FF has sheeped you from Auro to me to Dong to back to me and Auro again. He’s not towny he’s just playing to his win condition.- Dannflor
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Haven’t had a chance yet.In post 4267, Auro wrote:I still think you're conf biasing your Molla read. You said you'd revisit the contexts. Any result?
Ank said she’s town reading BB based on the “unknown sync tell”, but that there’s a non zero chance she could be wrong.
I will make it my priority as I get time today to revisit that slot Auro. I’m on mobile so it may take some time but I’ll do it.
Right now though I’m just making sure my absolute strongest opinions get out there, which is that Auro is a game losing mislynch and at least one of FF/Dong has a very good chance of ending the game.- Dannflor
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lmaoIn post 4271, gobbledygook wrote:Oooh this might be Dong + Dann with that vote and plead for Cheeky. - Dannflor
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