Micro 920 - Less Pressure [Game Over!]

[Hectic]

Also hi.
VOTE: Wimpo

Long time no see, Wimpo. Last I saw you was on your old account.

Really excited to play as an IC pairing with Nami this game though! Do we have any CCs?

[Hectic]

Hi hectic. Who do you think I am? I have not outed my main.

Wouldn't want to out you in front of everyone here.

[Hectic]

Also hi.
VOTE: Wimpo

Long time no see, Wimpo. Last I saw you was on your old account.

Really excited to play as an IC pairing with Nami this game though! Do we have any CCs?

Damn, your official way of speaking kinda fits the avatar. You’re doing that on purpose, right?

And sorry, you’re not slimy enough to be my IC partner.

Wow, you gonna take that, slimer? Wouldn't blame you if you felt the need to bus here.

[Hectic]

Never actually played with white flag mechanics before. Should be interesting.

[Hectic]

Obvious scum theatre is obvious.

VOTE: Nami Time's up.

[Hectic]

Nice, we have a wagon on an IC lol. That's what I like to see.

[Hectic]

UwU

oof. when you want to policy lynch an IC

[Hectic]

I see that attempt to pocket me, Nami. You're gonna have to try harder than that.
we should probably lynch that Doro guy who voted an IC. that's pretty scummy.

VOTE: Looker

[Hectic]

I'm lolhammering if anyone hits L-1.

[Hectic]

I'm in so many games with Doro right now but they're all ongoing. He's felt natural so far other than the unvote.

[Hectic]

I'm lolhammering if anyone hits L-1.

That’s not a good joke

It is though

[Hectic]

Easy Looker+Wimpy+Chemist day 1 solve.

[Hectic]

It's a soul read.

Egix is a meh. The reason for his vote wasn't bad.

[Hectic]

Egix, what would you think if I said I would actually lolhammer you if you hit L-1?

[Hectic]

Let's goooooo VOTE: Egix

Egix' response was actually pretty scummy. I'm out now by I'll explain when I get back. And yeah, it's less useful when you're the one putting him on L-1, slimer.

[Hectic]

Yeah, so basically it's a 3/5 chance from my perspective to randomly hammer scum, so lolhammering isn't actually a bad strategy. But it depends on whether you think you have a chance of being lynched, since if not, an informed lynch is better than a mostly random one.
Egix' question to my question implied he doesn't have the same perspective as me in that most of the non-ICs out there are scum.

[Hectic]

Ftr, I wouldn't actually have hammered, but this is making me think it might've been the right decision honestly. Misty, why unvote now rather than before?
Looker, why those 4? Or more specifically, why leave Doro out of the pool?

[Hectic]

Also, I wanted to see who would put Egix on L-1 after hearing me say I would lolhammer. Whoever does makes them and Egix less likely to be a team. It was slimer unfortunately, but Mistu being online and not unvoting effectively means the same thing. The unvote later is a little weird though.

[Hectic]

Voting randomly and mislynching gets us to lylo for two days and we won't have info, just because Hectic gave an answer from a town pov does not make him town especially when you look at the bigger picture.
VOTE: Hectic

Why do you think Egix is a mislynch?

[Hectic]

@mod: V/LA until the 10th.

Noted

- AFF

[Hectic]

Doro, you like me as scum because I was voting randomly and planning to lolhammer, right? What if I told you that my Egix vote wasn't random, and that I wasn't planning to lolhammer, that change anything?

[Hectic]

eji lucky he is cleared.

This seems a little random. What didn't you like from his posts?

[Hectic]

Voting randomly and mislynching gets us to lylo for two days and we won't have info, just because Hectic gave an answer from a town pov does not make him town especially when you look at the bigger picture.
VOTE: Hectic

Why do you think Egix is a mislynch?

I don't know if he is but your strategy would lead to a mislynch,

and I didn't really see Egix getting lynched in this situation

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...lmao
You’re calling egix a mis-lynch AND acting like you wanted to lynch him at the same time.
...or as if you really cared about not appearing as if you’re buddying Egix, saving him from a lynch or anything like that...
If dsjstr is scum, there’s a nice chance that egix is scum as well c:

Lul, I still don't understand what Doro means there. Doro, you didn't see Egix getting lynched there but think my strategy would lead to a mislynch on... Egix? Also, again, why did you think Egix was a mislynch at that point, meaning why did you think he was town?

[Hectic]

Yeah, so basically it's a 3/5 chance from my perspective to randomly hammer scum, so lolhammering isn't actually a bad strategy. But it depends on whether you think you have a chance of being lynched, since if not, an informed lynch is better than a mostly random one.
Egix' question to my question implied he doesn't have the same perspective as me in that most of the non-ICs out there are scum.

Egix, what's your response to this post? Do you agree/disagree with my take here?

VOTE: Doro

[Hectic]

First part seems fair, yeah. I'm too used to playing games where quickhammering is frowned upon, I guess.
For the bolded part though, I feel like the "since if not" part should be the opposite - if you do think you might get lynched, then you should try to be right, because if you lynch wrong and then you eat rope next that's obviously no bueno.

Why? If you think you're gonna be lynched, why not take the 3/5 over risk yourself being lynched (which is a guaranteed mislynch from your perspective).

[Hectic]

I don't see how reads are made on page 7. Were these particular ICs chosen for balance purposes?

I feel I have a good chance of hitting scum in {Hectic | DJ | Egix}, so VOTE: Egix96.

Spoiler:

Hectic [2]:

Wimpy, dsjstr

Egix96 [1]:

Looker

dsjstr [2]:

Egix96 Hectic

Chemist1422 [1]:

ejjinami

Not Voting [3]: Chemist1422, theslimer3

With 8 in play, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Lul, you're shading the ICs for making reads but giving out naked reads in every post? Mind explaining these?

[Hectic]

Voting randomly and mislynching gets us to lylo for two days and we won't have info, just because Hectic gave an answer from a town pov does not make him town especially when you look at the bigger picture.
VOTE: Hectic

Why do you think Egix is a mislynch?

I don't know if he is but your strategy would lead to a mislynch,

and I didn't really see Egix getting lynched in this situation

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...lmao
You’re calling egix a mis-lynch AND acting like you wanted to lynch him at the same time.
...or as if you really cared about not appearing as if you’re buddying Egix, saving him from a lynch or anything like that...
If dsjstr is scum, there’s a nice chance that egix is scum as well c:

Lul, I still don't understand what Doro means there. Doro, you didn't see Egix getting lynched there but think my strategy would lead to a mislynch on... Egix? Also, again, why did you think Egix was a mislynch at that point, meaning why did you think he was town?

^Doro

[Hectic]

I mean, you simultaneously stated that my strat would lead to a mislynch on Egix, while also saying that you don't think Egix will be lynched there (so why do you think my strat could lead to him being lynched?).

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VOTE: Misty

Misty, my compadre, what'd you think of Doro's (Djstr) stance on the Egix mislynch thing?

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VOTE: hectic

Why do you have your vote parked on me, Wimpo? Was this a RVS vote?

[Hectic]

Lul, apologies. Probably should've clarified that nickname at the start.

[Hectic]

@hectic why the vote on misty?

Wanted to hear some reads from him.

VOTE: dsj

Primarily interacting with the ICs is a scumtell

Change my mind

From what I can see, Nami started most of those interactions. Anything else from him you dislike?

[Hectic]

Doro+Egix are the sheriff and the deputy.
One of Chemist/Looker as the substitute officer.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Doro

[Hectic]

Oh, that's L-1.

[Hectic]

That was more to understand Misty's read on you over defending you, Doro.
Egix is fine to lynch first.

VOTE: Egix

[Hectic]

L-1 again

[Hectic]

My vote on Egix wasn't random, I explained it later with the whole differing perspective thing.
I find you weird too <3

[Hectic]

I recently discovered that I was infact not a rock. It kinda blew my mind.

Looker, you wanna actually give reasons for those reads at some point?

[Hectic]

Hey kids, what's happening.

[Hectic]

They're mostly based off of how you guys treat each other. It's D1, though, so they're boldly bullshit. I should be more interested than I am.

VOTE: Looker
Don't be discouraged. Got any examples for us?

[Hectic]

She's done nothing but post unexplained reads lists. Also, I'm used to seeing interesting poking questions from her as town. 120 doesn't exactly show an interest for solving.

[Hectic]

Note to self: Heccers just left behind a single leading wagon for a shit vote.

Voting for pressure exists ya know. I still prefer a Doro/Egix lynch, but Looker's trending up.

[Hectic]

Eh, Looker might be better actually. I can't even find one instance of a game-progressing question or read. Compare this to her ISO here.

[Hectic]

What pressure, it's a vanity wagon?

So I shouldn't vote her at all? All wagons start off as vanity wagons. Do you disagree with the points I'm making on her?

[Hectic]

Oh yeah lul, forgot you were the meta-hater. We literally just had a game where meta was the main reason I was able to unteunnel on Norwee, leading to the flawless victory. It works.

[Hectic]

Why are you defending Looker for doing close to nothing? Do you scumread Egix/Doro over her? I don't see anything she's done this game to warrant not pressuring her.

[Hectic]

I mean, you can result to Ad hominem attacks if you'd like, but I just wanna hear some reasoning behind your reads, Looker.

[Hectic]

She's done nothing but post unexplained reads lists. Also, I'm used to seeing interesting poking questions from her as town. 120 doesn't exactly show an interest for solving.

Looker is female?
To me she looks as if she has no idea what to do (which might come from either alignment) but she’s forcing herself to try and help as much as she can.
Her last response to my question really made me feel that way

She mentioned she was in a previous game I think.
Why is not having an answer for a read a town trait? Or unless you're saying scum wouldn't give a read they don't have an explanation for.

[Hectic]

L-2, I think.

[Hectic]

What changed your mind on me, Doro?

Egix, remind me why you're voting Doro again? Anything changed since 67?

[Hectic]

The Egix wagon consisting of 2 ICs and no one else is a pretty good sign of Egix being scum, I think. Find it hard to believe scum wouldn't take advantage of a townie being voted by both ICs like that.
VOTE: Egix

Looker improved. New solve is Egix+Doro+Chemist

If Looker is scum, Espeonage is probably also scum.

[Hectic]

No, wait, the votecount doesn't explain that team unless they're hard bussing. Whatever, I'l think about this later.

[Hectic]

Actually, playing mafia at work is too much fun.

Doro, I don't believe you explained why you flipped your read on me.
Egix, who are you actually scumreading? That lost post feels very reactive. Is it just Doro with a pinch of Misty?
Espeonage, if you think Doro and Egix are the designated mislynches, you think the team is exactly Hectic+Chemist+Looker. Yeah?

[Hectic]

Idk, thinking about teams with all this potential bussing is hard; never been good at pre flip associations. I think the right play in this format is to have all of us interact with a guiding hand from the ICs, and then let the ICs pick the lynch EoD.

[Hectic]

Can't catch up, but online for the next hour. Want me to move my vote, Nami? I still like the look of Egix from that recent VC.

[Hectic]

Partner stuff:

Think Doro + Egix is good based on never voting each other until the end, and the whole mislynch debacle where Doro describing him as that. Chemist was only voting and focusing on Doro/Egix yesterday so he's not the third in that scenario. Actually, looking through Looker's ISO, it's mostly the same of alternating between Doro+Egix as votes/pushes. Meanwhile, Wimpo/Espeonage never vote for either or seriously push either yesterday.
Preliminary solve is Doro+Egix+Espeonage

If Doro town, my next guess Looker+Espeonage+Egix, based on how Espeonage interacted with me upon entering the game, and soft-defended Looker.

But then that rules Misty out, and he gunned for Doro over Egix EoD yesterday, so maybe Doro!town implicates Misty!scum, with a third of Espeonage just because? Lul, I'm probably focusing on associations too much.

[Hectic]

or I could unvote I guess

but will I???

find out next time on dragon ball z

UNVOTE: Egix

Misty, I don't think you ever explained why didn't unvote in that first post but then did later.

[Hectic]

Voting randomly and mislynching gets us to lylo for two days and we won't have info, just because Hectic gave an answer from a town pov does not make him town especially when you look at the bigger picture.
VOTE: Hectic

VOTE: Looker
I might have been wrong about Hectic

Looking at Lookers ISO it doesn't look good

Scum team: (Looker, chemist, espeonage)

Doro, I know you said that you stop suspecting me because you thought I was trying to solve Looker's alignment, but then why didn't you consider Egix!scum here? The logic previously was me!scum implies Egix!mislynch. So if I become town, why is Egix still town?

[Hectic]

I have been town reading Egix for a while now, that was the original reason why a wagon was formed on me. I also see hectic as a town which is how I came to the conclusion of who the three mafia are.

Yeah, explain the reason for this townread basically.

[Hectic]

?? I've made my thoughts clear. Slimer, why are you townreading Doro? Do you not think him soft defending Egix yesterday + never voting him till when he had to + never actually giving a reason for townreading him is really bad?

VOTE: Doro

[Hectic]

Well, yeah. He called him a mislynch when I was pushing him, and then didn't give reasons for why when questioned on that by Nami/I.

[Hectic]

Why do these pairings make sense

Look at the VC's and who was voting for Egix

Can you show what you mean by this?

[Hectic]

Misty, you mentioned you dislike Espeonage over Doro because of agendaey voting/takes; can you point to what you mean by this?

Doro, I'm gonna go back and see what you mean by Misty and Looker thingies later when I'm not on mobile.

[Hectic]

Lul, I'm not sure whether I like Looker's overconfidence on her solve. In a way it makes sense but doesn't explain fir why Misty/Egix/Doro didn't try pushing another wagon together that wasn't Egix/Doro yesterday. Yeah, it draws bad associations given a successful mislynch, but I think you can afford to do that when there's 3 of you, especially when the situation's as dire as a double scum wagon day 1.

Like, if Doro and Egix are scum together, it makes sense since they never vote each other but doesn't make sense that they never try and coordinate a serious push on someone else, and just hope(?) that both wagons happen to magically dissolve? That seems unlikely. At least as far as I can recall they didn't coordinate a push together. I'll look back later.

[Hectic]

And if they were resigned to one of them getting lynched, it makes more sense to bus early rather than last minute since then you have the other in a similarly bad position the enxt day.

[Hectic]

Oh, they're literally both voting for Looker there. Thanks Misty lol

Feeling good about Doro then in terms of associations with Egix + individual scum equity

[Hectic]

Join me, Misty

[Hectic]

True lol, I was actually the first vote when I was poking her to give more reads. But Egix joined the wagon after I moved back on him and you were on Looker.
But I mean the point is that you voted together for an alternate lynch rather than crossvoting until the very end.

[Hectic]

Doro didn't take the opportunity to vote with Misty on Espeonage and them crossvoting right now

probably

means they're not scum together, but let me get your stance clear, Doro, Misty is top scum for you right now, or is this out of surivalism?

[Hectic]

Espeonage, take a stance on the two wagons.

[Hectic]

Also, you haven't voted anyone since replacing in. If you scumread someone that's not Chemist: vote them.

(No lolhammers obviously)

[Hectic]

Why does Looker decide to bus Misty then? She's voting him right now. Unless she plans to late flip on Doro but that could look scummy as hell

[Hectic]

That's L-1 on both wagons

[Hectic]

...
We had 4 days of discussion left??? Why hammer early?

[Hectic]

Espeonage, please tell me what is so hard to understand about "no lolhammers"?

[Hectic]

Lining up Misty into Doro as lynches like that and then HAMMERING to speed it up reeks of it being you+Looker who've seen the trajectory needed for the win.

[Hectic]

Maybe letting the IC chime in would've been a good idea? Are you still set on Doro!scum, and who is he scum with?

[Hectic]

Interesting

There's our IC lul

[Hectic]

I could repost that poem if you need inspiration, slimer.

[Hectic]

Alright Hectic.

I think djester has pretty good scum equity, but I think Chem/Looker are playing exactly how I would expect partners to in this situation. I don't think Chem and djester are scum together. But I think lynching those two slots will nail one of the scum today or tomorrow. So those are the slots I would vote.

Why am I not in any of your solves?

[Hectic]

VOTE: Djstr

[Hectic]

Lul, not mentioning the possibility of quickhammer was a very important thing

gg everyone

[Hectic]

Thanks for modding, AaronFF and Korina!

That's my first scum victory. The other time I rolled scum my partner got lynched day 1 and then the jester (slimer!) won day 2. So this is a nice change.

[Hectic]

I dunno, slimer. I felt really cautious about looking like I was trying to "pocket" the ICs. Hence why I called out Nami's "OwO" and didn't try and actively convince you both too much, but maybe.

Thanks, guys!

[Hectic]

Bussing Egix so much early on day 1 was definitely a mistake.