Open 771: Pollock's Flag [endgame!]

[Amrun]

VOTE: Hectic

Dude’s obsessed with flags. So sus.

[Amrun]

VOTE: blatant scum

For actual casual and then voting too wagon.

[Amrun]

*acting

Haha

[Amrun]

I will just let everyone get in and get acquainted; it's too early to just be rushing in.

“Actual casual”

Next post: proceeds to rush in

[Amrun]

YO why does my autocorrect keep doing this to me?!

[Amrun]

How is #86 a joke?

[Amrun]

I'll just let everyone get in and get acquainted; it's too early to just be rushing in

villagery
-mm

I will just let everyone get in and get acquainted; it's too early to just be rushing in.

The joke is, that I bogusly reproduced a behaviour which was townreaded. But it was TRed because of genuineness!

I actually forgot looker said that.

It still comes off weird.


VOTE: AF

This follow up was weirder though.

[Amrun]

I guess br dsne't has a seens of humuor!!!

I don’t know if I can take this all game.

rb early TR for me.

[Amrun]

Thank God. It was funny ... at first lol

[Amrun]

If your going to pressure me and vote me because of a thought I had.
Then fine.
But don’t think of it as an instantly scummy post.
You can say “I don’t like that”
But vote me because of a simple thought process isn’t right.

-TSE

Why wouldn’t a thought that you didn’t like something merit a vote? It’s early game and low content - that’s exactly what we need to move the game forward. VOTE: TSE

[Amrun]

If your going to pressure me and vote me because of a thought I had.
Then fine.
But don’t think of it as an instantly scummy post.
You can say “I don’t like that”
But vote me because of a simple thought process isn’t right.

-TSE

Why wouldn’t a thought that you didn’t like something merit a vote? It’s early game and low content - that’s exactly what we need to move the game forward. VOTE: TSE

Huh?
But you didn’t even play if it’s scummy or not.
And WDYM Merit a Vote?
I haven’t voted anyone.
Are you saying that for someone not liking a thought I had and voting me is a good thing?
Maybe to get a clear read on me or get reaction sure.
But to scum read someone for it isn’t right, and you even said it’s early game and low content.
So you just straight out put a vote on me?
Seems to me like your just being opportunistic.

VOTE: Amrun

-TSE

Yes, you said it’s ok to “pressure” you. That means voting.

In this gamestate, not liking a post is a great reason to vote someone. There isn’t a better one.


Your reaction is panicky. Ty for being obvious scum <3

[Amrun]

If your going to pressure me and vote me because of a thought I had.
Then fine.
But don’t think of it as an instantly scummy post.
You can say “I don’t like that”
But vote me because of a simple thought process isn’t right.

-TSE

Why wouldn’t a thought that you didn’t like something merit a vote? It’s early game and low content - that’s exactly what we need to move the game forward. VOTE: TSE

Huh?
But you didn’t even play if it’s scummy or not.
And WDYM Merit a Vote?
I haven’t voted anyone.
Are you saying that for someone not liking a thought I had and voting me is a good thing?
Maybe to get a clear read on me or get reaction sure.
But to scum read someone for it isn’t right, and you even said it’s early game and low content.
So you just straight out put a vote on me?
Seems to me like your just being opportunistic.

VOTE: Amrun

-TSE

Yes, you said it’s ok to “pressure” you. That means voting.

In this gamestate, not liking a post is a great reason to vote someone. There isn’t a better one.


Your reaction is panicky. Ty for being obvious scum <3

Yeah no it’s not panicky nor obv scum.
It’s that you casually found a reason to jump onto my wagon.
If you wanna be like that - Ty for scum claiming.

And what makes you want to increase numbers on me?
For reaction?
Doubt.

In this gamestate, not liking a post is a great reason to vote someone. There isn’t a better one.

This post is scummy right here.
There’s a difference between “not liking” and “thinking it’s scummy”
I still think your being opportunistic.
Do you even scum read me?

-TSE

Not liking posts is basically synonymous with finding the post scummy, or at least that’s the colloquial use of it. Stretch.

[Amrun]

Yes, you said it’s ok to “pressure” you. That means voting.

In this gamestate, not liking a post is a great reason to vote someone. There isn’t a better one.


Your reaction is panicky. Ty for being obvious scum <3

I actually got the opposite read from his reaction.

So do you townread him?

[Amrun]

rb continues to bleed town. Feeling pretty good about clid also.


Also, seeing TSH all over this thread is making me feel like I’m at work. I kinda hate it. Lol

[Amrun]

Eh, I don’t hate your stance, cat. I just disagree.

[Amrun]

Right now I'm down to vote for Pink Ball or TSH.

Pink Ball's early game posting style, while annoying to read, is probably NAI. However, I didn't love their clidd vote and liked their unvote even less.

TSH I was null on until like pg 12 when they got super defensive over Amrun's vote. The whole 'not liking posts' vs 'scummy posts' is dumb too, since not liking someone's post sort of implies that you're leaning scum there, which is a good reason to vote someone IMO and he's using it as an excuse not to vote anyone.

VOTE: TSH

I think I’m not explaining myself right and for that I apologize.
Bad Posts is ok to push a vote on and I’m not denying that.
I’m saying I don’t believe Bad Posts to mean instantly scummy.
As I voted Amrun for a Bad Post “Opportunistic” not that it was scummy but to apply pressure and call them
out.
Also notice Amrun said “Applying Pressure” but there’s already pressure on me via 2 people.
Their using a bad excuse like “Applying Pressure” to have a purpose for a vote on my wagon.

No, I think you’re scum. I also am happy to apply pressure up to L-1 - the more the better.

rb continues to bleed town. Feeling pretty good about clid also.


Also, seeing TSH all over this thread is making me feel like I’m at work. I kinda hate it. Lol

Why do I make you feel like your at work?

-TSE

TSH is thyroid stimulating hormone... common medical abbreviation. It was just a joke I knew no one would get.

[Amrun]

your scumread on him started _welll before_ any of the further stuff you mentioned occurred

and it persisted even after it was obvious he was genuinely busy

When it was obvious he was genuinely busy I unvoted, that's when I said you didn't get my sense of humor because of fucking course I didn't unvote him for speaking spanish.

I revoted him 'cause now I'm pretty sure you're hatchening.

I'm not making this game about me and you 'cause you clearly wanted this, you're obsessed. Bye!

Why wouldn’t you be voting rb in this case?

This doesn’t make sense.

[Amrun]

I am behind on this game but I’ve had a migraine for four days and screens hurt

[Amrun]

Why is my reason to join the wagon not unique?

It was 100% unique. Entirely original. In fact it’s the thing that turned it from like random vote or two into an actual wagon and gave it weight, IMO.


I really don’t even understand why this argument between others is happening. I don’t really care though. Pleased by this wagon.

[Amrun]

Why is my reason to join the wagon not unique?

It was 100% unique. Entirely original.

In fact it’s the thing that turned it from like random vote or two into an actual wagon and gave it weight, IMO.


I really don’t even understand why this argument between others is happening. I don’t really care though. Pleased by this wagon.

Elaborate.

Spoiler:

and people voting my wagon after you doesn’t count.

I found you scummy for my own special reasoning that wasn’t like anyone else’s, is what I’m saying. It’s pretty straight forward. It’s not like I was sheeping onto your wagon. I was uniquely pushing you for things I personally find scummy. I don’t even see a problem if I was sheeping onto your wagon - that can be fine too - but I really wasn’t so the whole discussion you’re having about it is bizarre to me.


I think Looker is smoking something. Are you ok, Looker?!

[Amrun]

Aside from that, I also agree with Aaron (I believe it was Aaron, lol) who mentioned that Blatant's vote of Creature was sort of weird, given his posts prior to that. He's sort of self-aware about it, so it's hard to gauge. I'm still leaning it as slightly scummy behavior, though.

I don't think that was me actually

Twas me

[Amrun]

I think CSF and Uncrowned are both town. If I step back I think both clidd and rb's slot are town too. Hectic I want to believe he's town but I don't know. Both rooroo and Creature are good options to lynch based on meta.

Rooroo trolling is ok since it's her troll alt, but her absence is bad looking. Same with Creature.

Who’s rooroo’s main?


PB definitely comes off the worse in the PB/rb row but I’m still not sure PB is scum. Jury is still out.

[Amrun]

Oh I don’t know the main either. Lol

[Amrun]

I don’t have a read on rooroo at all. I don’t mind lunching there but I don’t really want to, either. TSH is much better.

[Amrun]

I said what it was when I posted it. I really don’t understand this lack of comprehension.

[Amrun]

What?!


Of course there were posts I didn’t like. I quoted and replied to them.

It just wasn’t the same posts as them. ??????

[Amrun]

Cool, Uncrowned is town too.

[Amrun]

I’m at an out of town funeral today but at least I caught up

[Amrun]

I don’t have a read on rooroo at all. I don’t mind lunching there but I don’t really want to, either. TSH is much better.

I wouldn't lunch at TSH; I heard they don't wash their lettuce.

As the black flag mafia.
I have no such Fears.
But I'm inclined to wonder.
Why the townspeople are so confident that TSH is not the Black flag mafia.
Lynching a very widely scumread top poster.
Who could almost deterministically be getting himself lynched.
By a combination of not writing very readable posts and brute force.
On day 1.
Seems like a questionable course of action lol.
Perhaps we should instead be lynching Nullscums with antitown behavior.
Such as myself.

I admire the WIFOM - that's the way mafia is supposed to be played. Well done.

Page 24:

Looker pops in and explains. It’s sort of low effort, but fits with his whole thing of not liking D1s. Idk. I just don’t really like it. There were other people who weren’t voting at the time that didn’t get Looker’s attention, but Rooroo did. Why? Why did Looker put his vote there? That’s what I want to know. Especially since, as I’ve said, he didn’t bring up those other two people not voting (Pink Ball and Clidd).

Rooroo was under the radar. Pink Ball called attention to himself by posting in Temmie. Clidd was gaining attention by posting in academia.

I doubt a wagon can get done on Looker by this day phase, but I suggest we push that slot tomorrow.

Going to check what the vote count is and then move my vote.

It'll have more conviction if you add why.

---

• Thank you for the pass, Cat Scratch.
  
• @Skygazer: Because they were nondescript.

Spoiler:

TrueSoulHustler (4):

Hectic, Amrun, AaronFrost, clidd

rooroo (3):

Looker, Uncrowned, woodchuck321

Uncrowned (2):

Cat Scratch Fever, Rooroo

Skygazer (1) :

Blatant Scum

Amrun (1):

TrueSoulHustler

Blatant Scum (1):

Skygazer (Creature)

not voting: Pink Ball
{amrun/rooroo | TSH | uncrowned/AaronFrost | Woodchuck/Pink Ball/Skygazer/Blatant}

That’s actually a good point about PB, but how was clidd drawing attention to himself by “speaking academia?”

He was just speaking slightly more formal English than is colloquial because English is not his primary language. That read makes no sense.

Cool, Uncrowned is town too.

Why?

They don’t elaborate their reads like this.
You should know that.

Like I’m telling you all Amrun usually explains their reads before announcing them or voting.
They aren’t doing that here.

-TSE

Thanks for ignoring the fact that my next post 20 seconds later was that I was CURRENTLY AT A FUNERAL and therefore had no time to post more.

I have been pretty transparent with my reads IMO, minus that Uncrowned one.

For Uncrowned, I just liked their re-read. It didn’t feel like they had an agenda. They were seeing what shook out and giving it a go. They didn’t end up with great results but they tried. I did that myself as town in Guns N’ Roses 3. It’s just a towny thing to do.

[Amrun]

That’s actually a good point about PB, but how was clidd drawing attention to himself by “speaking academia?”

He was just speaking slightly more formal English than is colloquial because English is not his primary language. That read makes no sense.

damn clidd, do you work in academia or something?

Privacidad.

It wasn't a read - it was an explanation as to why I found rooroo to be more under the radar than clidd. Sorry for your loss.

Ok maybe I misunderstood - are you not TR PB and clidd?

[Amrun]

I wouldn't say that I'm TR anyone right now - I just feel certain flips would be more beneficial than Pink Ball's at the moment. I haven't even considered a clidd flip.

How can you not be TR anyone?

Struggling to understand this from a town perspective.

[Amrun]

That's an insulting and baselessly rhetorical question. Make an assertion - are you saying that I'm scum? Otherwise, your assessment of my play is subjective.

I think not having a townread on anyone at this point in the game is scummy in a vacuum.

I haven’t decided if you’re scum yet. I was trying to engage you.

[Amrun]

I have been pretty transparent with my reads IMO, minus that Uncrowned one.

I think you have been transparent with the ones you’ve given, but you haven’t given many reads.

For Uncrowned, I just liked their re-read. It didn’t feel like they had an agenda. They were seeing what shook out and giving it a go. They didn’t end up with great results but they tried. I did that myself as town in Guns N’ Roses 3. It’s just a towny thing to do.

I think effort wall posts can come from scum, especially when they’re under pressure, and the agenda could simply be to look town to get pressure off of you. One or two effort posts is less town indicative than sustained effort imo.

Granted, but I’m sharing my reads as they come to me.


And of course effort posts come from scum - but the content of his comes off towny to me is what I’m saying. When scum effort post they usually have a goal - showing progression, etc. uncrowned did not seem to have such an agenda, which seemed to me like he was genuinely searching and just didn’t find.

[Amrun]

I have been pretty transparent with my reads IMO, minus that Uncrowned one.

I think you have been transparent with the ones you’ve given, but you haven’t given many reads.

For Uncrowned, I just liked their re-read. It didn’t feel like they had an agenda. They were seeing what shook out and giving it a go. They didn’t end up with great results but they tried. I did that myself as town in Guns N’ Roses 3. It’s just a towny thing to do.

I think effort wall posts can come from scum, especially when they’re under pressure, and the agenda could simply be to look town to get pressure off of you. One or two effort posts is less town indicative than sustained effort imo.

Granted, but I’m sharing my reads as they come to me.

And of course effort posts come from scum

- but the content of his comes off towny to me is what I’m saying. When scum effort post they usually have a goal - showing progression, etc. uncrowned did not seem to have such an agenda, which seemed to me like he was genuinely searching and just didn’t find.

I disagree with

Bolded

TBH.
Also the way you said that was scummy AF.

@Everyone
Do you see this?

-TSE

In context, it means “effort posts CAN come from scum,” not that they always do, which is obviously untrue.

[Amrun]

i guess im doomed to only correctly guess Krazy's alts

That’s not Krazy is it?!

[Amrun]

u town?

what have u been listenin to lately?

Yas

Real talk, I have been listening to my toddler’s music class music and Lupe Fiasco, exclusively. One of the other. Baby likes Lupe too!

[Amrun]

Yassss do it

[Amrun]

TSH most satisfying flip ever! I need to look back and see who was fighting it.

[Amrun]

vote count 1.18

TrueSoulHustler (7)

: Amrun, AaronFrost, clidd, Skygazer, Uncrowned, Cat Scratch Fever, Pink Ball

Skygazer (3)

: Blatant Scum, Hectic, woodchuck321

Amrun (3)

: rooroo, Looker, TrueSoulHustler

not voting:

This phase ends in (expired on 2020-02-18 08:00:00)

mod notes: quack.

Hum, the ideal scenario would be to split two votes into separate wagons, and one in the main. Or two in the main and only one out. In any case, there is, as a rule, at least 1

scum

in the TSH wagon.
If I have to do a quick guess, I would discard

PB

,

CSF

and

Uncrowned

. The pool to lynch would be

Skygazer

,

AaronFrost

and

Amrun

.

Idk why any scum have to be on the wagon when it wasn’t black flag, honestly. They could, or could not be. I think it’s better to go by scumminess.

[Amrun]

Eh, while I agree with you clidd, I think there are more chances of hitting scum outside TSH's wagon for two main reasons: 1. There must have been hope that they could derail the wagon somehow (I want to look rooroo's wagon mainly for that matter, I think TSH's flip makes rooroo town); and 2. Well, numbers. If we believe there's only one scum in TSH's wagon, then 1 out of 6 (excluding yourself if you're in the wagon) or 1 out of 7 (if you were outside the wagon), while if we lynch outside the wagon is 1 out of 4 if you were inside TSH's wagon (since both TSH and Looker were ouside) or 1 out of 3 if you were outside.

That's the right move for me at least, since I think rooroo is town, I'd consider lynching one of the three players in Sky's wagon.

Yeah I mean these are basically my thoughts. Scum did not want grey flag going down here.

[Amrun]

Skygazer looks like a last-minute counter-wagon. I suggest keeping the vote on TSH.

Clidd, why are we going from this to wanting to kill Sky?

[Amrun]

VOTE: Blatant Scum

Zero content all day, literally never commented on TSH even one single time, and was off wagon. Really think this slot is much higher than rand scum.



Clidd is my pick for on wagon scum but I think off wagon is safer way to go.

[Amrun]

I'm going to rest my brain, so I prefer not to engage in now. Regardless of what I speculated, it would be better to collectively decide on a common lynch.

To do that, I need you to answer my question. You can do it tomorrow, but I still want an answer.

[Amrun]

Skygazer looks like a last-minute counter-wagon. I suggest keeping the vote on TSH.

Clidd, why are we going from this to wanting to kill Sky?

I believe that the speculation about a counter-wagon involving this player was incorrect, otherwise, TSH would be the white flag and Hectic, for having tried to change the direction in the last minutes, would be the gray/black flag.

Why are scum not likely to try and redirect a grey flag lynch?

[Amrun]

VOTE: Blatant Scum

Zero content all day, literally never commented on TSH even one single time, and was off wagon. Really think this slot is much higher than rand scum.

if he's scum, what are scum doing?

Can you please restate this question?

[Amrun]

Skygazer looks like a last-minute counter-wagon. I suggest keeping the vote on TSH.

Clidd, why are we going from this to wanting to kill Sky?

I believe that the speculation about a counter-wagon involving this player was incorrect, otherwise, TSH would be the white flag and Hectic, for having tried to change the direction in the last minutes, would be the gray/black flag.

Why are scum not likely to try and redirect a grey flag lynch?

It doesn't pay. If Hectic defended the gray flag, hypothetically, and failed to redirect the lynch, he would be suspicious for the attempt the next day. In a game state where you only need one more scum elimination to win, this move would not be characteristic of

scum!Hectic

to do.

I don’t think Hectic is scum. There are much less obvious ways to do it, though. You were asserting that scum likely bussed and I want to know why because that’s not how I see it.

[Amrun]

VOTE: Blatant Scum

Zero content all day, literally never commented on TSH even one single time, and was off wagon. Really think this slot is much higher than rand scum.

if he's scum, what are scum doing?

Can you please restate this question?

what was scum's plan to win the game? tsh didn't have that much resistance and a slot like bs is probably going to get lynched sometime

BS might be black flag, who knows. I think TSH was fighting hard and probably did not plan to get lynched. He obviously wanted to lynch me instead so.

I think whatever team BS is on, he’s not being a cooperative player. I certainly don’t think it was scum plan for BS to post no content and TSH to get lynched. But perhaps they thought TSH could fight his lynch off and BS could just quietly not attract attention. Maybe he’s even white flag! Could see it either way. In fact in hindsight I think that’s more likely.

Or he’s just town red herring. I still think it’s worth discussing.

[Amrun]

Skygazer looks like a last-minute counter-wagon. I suggest keeping the vote on TSH.

Clidd, why are we going from this to wanting to kill Sky?

I believe that the speculation about a counter-wagon involving this player was incorrect, otherwise, TSH would be the white flag and Hectic, for having tried to change the direction in the last minutes, would be the gray/black flag.

Why are scum not likely to try and redirect a grey flag lynch?

It doesn't pay. If Hectic defended the gray flag, hypothetically, and failed to redirect the lynch, he would be suspicious for the attempt the next day. In a game state where you only need one more scum elimination to win, this move would not be characteristic of

scum!Hectic

to do.

I don’t think Hectic is scum. There are much less obvious ways to do it, though. You were asserting that scum likely bussed and I want to know why because that’s not how I see it.

How do you see, then ? I do not believe that it was clear these other

'' ways ''

that you unconsciously theorized, but it is evident that the method of diverting attention from

TSH

(more precisely

TSE

), sooner or later, would result in their own lynch. Therefore, it would be more beneficial if one of the flags used this device to appear '' justifiable '' when voting for they, thus being in a better position the next day.

Why wouldn’t scum try to redirect onto town? I really don’t get it. I think skygazer is likely town for this reason, and you seemed to think so yesterday. I don’t get your reversal today.

[Amrun]

@Aaron:

Interesting thoughts on CSF. I actually came into the day suspecting CSF because I remembered them defending TSH more but their thoughts at the end of the day did come off well to me too. I mean, I’d expect a bus at that point anyway, but something about it just came off fine after all.

Feeling good about AF after that.

Why do you think it spews clidd town?

[Amrun]

I feel like I’m reading clidd’s post upside down, while drunk.

[Amrun]

what do you think of my townreads?

well i disagree that TSE spewed amrun town considering their penchant for bussing i mentioned earlier (also looker SR'd amrun heavily and i'm still trying to figure out whether or not the NK points towards amrun naturally or was designed specifically to point towards amrun if that makes sense)

hectic/aaron/rooroo/cat/woodchuck ya sure ig (still waiting to see stuff from cat today tho)

rn i'm mostly thinking about voting between amrun/uncrowned/blatant scum

Ignoring whether or not you think TSE likes to bus, why do you think I would bus in that situation, if I were scum?

[Amrun]

Creature’s in this game?

[Amrun]

Creature’s in this game?

creature flaking might be the most compelling scumcase against skygazer imo

I don't think Creature flaking has anything to do with alignment.

Agree with this. It seemed like he just got disinterested in all of mafia.

[Amrun]

It has reached a point that I can no longer imagine

town!PB

with such a mental retardation.

This is not ok.

[Amrun]

You shouldn’t call someone “mentally r-“

it’s offensive and carries meaning beyond calling someone “stupid” or “idiot.” Although you really shouldn’t call people those either

Clidd, or you. I’d have to reread tbh to make a final call.

Clidd kinda reads off as pissed off scum here though.

[Amrun]

Struggling with that. I was just looking back at that. He seems pretty fed up with the game. Like the replacement gave him new life then he gave up.

Like imagine having BS as a scum partner in this situation - demoralizing.

I think someone not on the wagon is slightly more likely though.

I think it’s a pretty academic exercise since game is over if BS is scum.

[Amrun]

I’d be ok redirecting onto clidd but I don’t think his insult is scummy, per se. but since the beginning of the day, I said my pick on wagon is clidd, and off wagon BS

[Amrun]

You know what, no, BS needs to go and partner is probably CSF

[Amrun]

It's not an academic exercise for me. I'm not convinced BS is scum partly because I'm not sure what his partner is doing here.

This post. I was thinking at first that it was an excellent point, and there needed to be a gamestate that made sense with BS scum for it to be true.

But I think actually that you fit this bill and trying to pivot in a kinda backhanded way makes sense.


Plus I think you were well positioned for a bus yesterday, I just liked the content/tone of your posts as stated earlier.

[Amrun]

Hold the phone I may have just remembered something give me a sec

[Amrun]

I will just let everyone get in and get acquainted; it's too early to just be rushing in.

VOTE: Creature because he has the most votes.

This is a weird sequence of posts.

Does your opinion change if you're told that Looker made that same post earlier, and Bla repeating it was a meme?

R.I.P. Pink Ball's tonal reading.

This is the only town post Bla made. Since then he's kinda just done... nothing. Worth noting that his CL-meta is nothing like this though lol

VOTE: rooroo

Leaving this option open. Bla is still my slight preference.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Uncrowned

Spoiler:

vote count 1.14

TrueSoulHustler (4)

: Hectic, Amrun, AaronFrost, clidd

rooroo (3)

: Looker, Uncrowned, woodchuck321

Uncrowned (2)

: Cat Scratch Fever, Rooroo

Creature (1)

: Blatant Scum

Amrun (1)

: TrueSoulHustler

Blatant Scum (1)

: Creature

clidd (1)

: Pink Ball

not voting:

This phase ends in (expired on 2020-02-16 08:00:00)

mod notes: AaronFrost v/la 13/02
♥ remember to ♥ take ♥ the maf♥iascum ♥ valentines ♥ quiz ♥
quack

It probably just is Bla, but it looks like he's gonna get replaced so we should wait for his replacement.

rooroo could be the White Flag. The VC above shows her "counterwagon" could've been all town, and something which TrueSoulHustler never jumps onto. Also, she's actually given reads and thoughts out this game, which might suggest she has an increased incentive to not be lynched. Plus the suggesting TrueSoulHustler could be the Black Flag long before anyone else.

Bla as Black Flag makes sense given his blatant evading giving out reads when asked by Cat Scratch Fever, and lack of doing anything really yesterday.

Spoiler:

JK Hectic is total Bla partner.

[Amrun]

I actually kinda want to pivot the whole day onto Hectic now ...


I was thinking yesterday that his jumping off the TSH wagon was like, too scummy/obvious to be scum but reading it again, I don’t think so.

[Amrun]

I find it telling people want to lynch me before I've even interacted with everyone and say lynch BS.

Sorry Titus. Your Pred was really scummy.

[Amrun]

Preflip associations are bad.

tbf I did ask her to do it

Amrun should tell you that type of thinking is bad. Find scum, lynch scum.

I did say that originally as you saw. But I got to thinking about it and if literally no one made sense as a partner that might be an issue.


But at least one player makes perfect sense as a partner so ... academic excercise completed!

[Amrun]

I find it telling people want to lynch me before I've even interacted with everyone and say lynch BS.

Sorry Titus. Your Pred was really scummy.

So that gives you the right to play suboptimally and ignore my contributions? If you were looking for my non-existent partner, you'd engage me. Ask me things and use it to scumhunt.

I haven’t ignored you? I’ve had at least one post directed only to you (about clidd).

I know you don’t read upon replace in

[Amrun]

I’d still prefer to lynch Bla first, Hectic.

[Amrun]

So sorry PB. You had such bad luck in this game. <3

[Amrun]

If rb hadn’t been obvtown, my mind would be full of fuck right now.

[Amrun]

also how is uncrowned so difficult to lynch when he has the 2nd worst iso in the game after mine

Lol

[Amrun]

I feel like this day should have ended ages ago.

[Amrun]

VOTE: chemist

I still think Uncrowned is probably town.

[Amrun]

Majority of everyone. Why is this game falling apart? Where did everyone go?

Chemist’s reaction is terrible plz can we kill

[Amrun]

Majority of everyone. Why is this game falling apart? Where did everyone go?

Chemist’s reaction is terrible plz can we kill

Literally how is it terrible

What, do you want me to beg for my life?

I mean, yes???

Like if you’re not scum, you could at least try and solve who is?



But the reason I’m voting you is for your predecessor really.

[Amrun]

Yes

[Amrun]

VOTE: Hectic

Rooroo beat me to it!

[Amrun]

Ok mine wasn’t even for that.


It was for trying to deflect d1 lynch off TSE after other PoE narrows. But like the above isn’t great either.

[Amrun]

Look at his day 1 behavior, AF.

[Amrun]

It’s not really about doubts. It’s more about his behavior surrounding it and the fact he was grey flag and suboptimal lynch for scum.

[Amrun]

I thought before you’d be less likely to do this as scum because it’s too obvious.

But then the people I thought were more likely scum flipped town. :/

In interest of fairness, I’ll do some more digging and look at your early day 1 again.

[Amrun]

It does feel like weird play surrounding his gray flag though, like if scum!Hectic wanted to divert elsewhere, why wouldn't he do it sooner once he realized more people were hopping on.

Distancing gone wrong is my theory

[Amrun]

Imho hectic feels town to me and all this sudden pushing of him is strange after pushing Uncrowned a lot yesterday

Why? Who’s the common people? Did anyone change trajectories?

[Amrun]

It does feel like weird play surrounding his gray flag though, like if scum!Hectic wanted to divert elsewhere, why wouldn't he do it sooner once he realized more people were hopping on.

Distancing gone wrong is my theory

I'll have to look at it closer upon a reread.

Also legitimately surprised you're still alive, felt like you came out of that TSH lynch looking obvtown. These have been some weird ass night kills...

I figured it’s because I had bad reads. :/

[Amrun]

Aaron, so do you feel like Hectic is scum or not after re-evaluating? I’m confused.

[Amrun]

unvote

Thank god.

Eddie, we are suffering from “hit scum too easily day 1-itis.” If you are town plz help.

Gonna give you breathing room to catch up.

[Amrun]

I’m glad to see activity in this game, but I’m not feeling well at all to read it. Catchup ASAP.

[Amrun]

*important post*

woodchuck/pink ball/skygazer/blatant scum

This is now white flag, which means eliminating pairings is just as important as finding scum. See: how I found the team in the WF game in TM.

Looker being night killed after pushing off wagon could mean two things: either Amrun is scum, or another scum is in his pushes. Amrun has quite a bit that could make her town, so that is not a bridge I want to die on as of now. But either way, killing someone off wagon who is town reading both living scum is bonkers, especially since he's had these town reads all game.

So, Sky / Wood is not a team. I actually thought this was going to be a more useful post, but I didn't realize blatant scum and pink ball were dead. Oh well, not deleting.

Agree with this in general - sky/wood is not a team.

[Amrun]

@Eddie:

Can you break down why {rooroo, Uncrowned} can’t be the solve?

Because if you’re town, that’s my solve. Did I miss something about that?


I’m all jazzed you about playing this game now haha. I feel inspired!

[Amrun]

Bla was a cult leader in my previous game. Which probably means he's town this game, statistically speaking. Cat Scratch Fever could be scum, but only if I am also scum. Which I am not, which means she's also town.

Spoiler: For Cat Scratch Fever's Eyes only

I'm slightly worried that some people are onto our

s c u m t h e a t r e

. The original picture doesn't even have the flag in it, so they might realise we edited it in photoshop to prepare for the meme.

I didn’t really notice this day 1, but when I was convinced blatant scum was scum, I disliked this post and thought bla/Hectic was the team. Obviously bla town flip blew that whole thing to smithereens, and then I disregarded Hectic as town because most of day 1, I felt he was town. But his beginning of day 1 and eod 1 do look drastically different.

@Hectic @rb, can i see your reads ?

Bla and Cat Scratch Fever are townleans. Surprised by the lack of analysis from Clidd, but it's early days, so I'll give him time. Oh, right, you're Clidd lol. Amrun nullscum? Mostly from how her tone feels off this game. TSE also a scumlean for some weird questioning/theories so far. rb's townish for sorting through the memery. Liking Pink Ball based on that clidd read just now. Looker nullscum because she usually has more to give by 175.

VOTE: TrueSoulHustler

This is an example of posting I liked from Hectic.

Spoiler:

Catching up on this later today. For now, I'd like to ask Cat Scratch Fever to STOP posting cat GiFs immediately. I'm feeling very buddied.

Spoiler:

Also, about TrueSoulHustler: I do think that if he's scum, there's a non-negligible chance he's playing like a jester and is the Black Flag, mostly from the weird angle at attacking Amrun, and stuff like posting "I'll vote for that person if you get more votes on them", but I don't know how likely it is. Maybe 50% chance they're the Black Flag if scum. 33% being the baseline for any given scum.

Pleasant journeys, coloured (I hope) flag bearers.

But then, Hectic goes from saying explicitly that TSE is NOT the black flag and his play is NOT intentionally scummy to saying the opposite when the wagon gets some steam.

btw

VOTE: TSH

How likely do you think he's the Black Flag?

And he was trying to sow these seeds to derail the wagon. This I have gone back and forth about being “too scummy” to be scum but at this point in the game, that defense is weak.

I’m busy today but amrun and uncrowned’s recent posts have been better. I think I prefer voting TSH

Best way to work out flag color is probably through preflip VCA, but that requires making many assumptions. there’s been enough resistance around the TSH wagon that I don’t think it’s necessarily going to flip black flag, Hectic. His lynch will also provide the most info imo.

TrueSoulHustler never even had any interest in voting their counterwagon (rooroo). He's been on a vanity wagon on Amrun which he hasn't seriously tried to push the entire game. I say we leave him alive for now and treat him as psuedo-confirmed scum that is most likely Black Flag. We lynch him if we haven't lynched scum by Lylo, or a day before Lylo.

And this is just like “well I don’t townread him but let’s not lynch him!” Which felt partnery to me.

imagine pushing the Grey Flag for the entire day but then getting cold feet at the end due to overestimating TSE
thanks for pushing that one through, guys.
also, I'm really surprised by the Looker nightkill; she was literally on a counterwagon end of day? her reads might be worth looking into if she was killed for that.

And then a very bad thought paired with a good one. But in general did not like joe he purposefully played up the “too scummy to be scum” angle.



Now, Eddie’s posting is better than all of Hectic’s posting combined. But I’m sure it’s within Eddie’s scumrange. But my guy just wants to townread him anyway.

[Amrun]

*gut

Had some bad autocorrect in there. Sorry.

[Amrun]

Reads list:

Woodchuck (by merits of rb)
AaronFrost
Skygazer
Uncrowned
Eddie Cane (??? My mind is full of fuck on this right now)
Rooroo

[Amrun]

What do you think of 1676, Amrun? Am I missing any teams? Are you on board with Aaron town?

Not that I can think of besides ones involving you.

I have TR AF all game so.

[Amrun]

Rooroo I have been kind of ignoring all game because I have a hard time reading that playstyle and think it’s an easy playstyle to “attack.” But at this stage in the game I can’t keep doing that.

[Amrun]

As the black flag mafia.
I have no such Fears.
But I'm inclined to wonder.
Why the townspeople are so confident that TSH is not the Black flag mafia.
Lynching a very widely scumread top poster.
Who could almost deterministically be getting himself lynched.
By a combination of not writing very readable posts and brute force.
On day 1.
Seems like a questionable course of action lol.
Perhaps we should instead be lynching Nullscums with antitown behavior.
Such as myself.

Well this post looks pretty terrible in hindsight.

[Amrun]

VOTE: Blatant Scum

Zero content all day, literally never commented on TSH even one single time, and was off wagon. Really think this slot is much higher than rand scum.

if he's scum, what are scum doing?

I did like this post though.

[Amrun]

Uncrowned/too team actually isn’t that good. Don’t like roo/Eddie either.


Roo/sky feels pretty good though.

[Amrun]

I have trouble believing you think Uncrowned and Sky are both more likely to be town than my slot, even divorced from my content.

Well before you placed in those were all in different orders. :/ they’re still adjusting. I’ve always TR Uncrowned since day 1 but that TR is feeling stale lately as he doesn’t produce.

[Amrun]

When I thought Hectic was scum I thought you were NOT scum.

Rooroo, what do you think of Eddie now?

[Amrun]

can someone towncase aaron for me beyond bussing meta?

I’ve just been vibing with him tbh.

[Amrun]

Ok I think I’ve adjusted my brain to Eddie being town. His last posts are definitely feeling really town despite him being wrong - I understand his perspective and think that’s not a scum motivated take unless the team is exactly {Eddie/uncrowned} which is possible but Hectic was trying to drum up an uncrowned counter wagon to TSH, so pretty unlikely.

[Amrun]

New reads!!

Woodchuck
AF
Eddie
Uncrowned
Skygazer
Rooroo

I think the solve of {rooroo / skygazer} feels really good with the gamestate and I really like it.

If one of these is wrong, though, it’s skygazer.

VOTE: rooroo

[Amrun]

Is it? I actually didn’t realize that.

I’m ok with it though.

[Amrun]

This is the first time I’ve felt excited for a lynch this game since blatant scum.

[Amrun]

It'll be funny if he is white flag who made a big dig play day 1

His day 1 ISO is so garbage I could actually see that.

[Amrun]

Welppppp my solve was wrong. I need to re-evaluate. But I work in healthcare and I’m in coronavirus hell right now. It’s going to have to wait a little bit.

[Amrun]

I am giving this thread attention ASAP.

I am not opposed to an uncrowned lynch today.

[Amrun]

Prod received


Life killing me


Plz stop the coronavirus


So sorry

[Amrun]

I mean, scum got a lesson why replace outs break games and should not be a part of site culture.

Absolutely. I was playing to the player list I had and when they release PTs you’ll see I knew immediately when you replaced in that we lost. My play was an open book for fresh eyes, but the burden and ennui that was the gamestate it could have / likely would have coasted.

Hectic > rooroo mislynches would have won us the game.

When Oka came in too, I knew we were totally fucked.


I didn’t mean to give up, I meant to fight, but then covid 19 happened. I work in healthcare front lines. Sorry all.

[Amrun]

Oh

Oh god

Haha