Open 771: Pollock's Flag [endgame!]

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: TrueSoulHustler

OMGUS

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Are you okay Pink Ball? You don’t seem okay

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Cat Scratch Fever is a secret admirer of flags. Last night, I saw her attending a Flag Festival. Sure, I was at the festival too, but I was only there for

research

purposes. Meanwhile, I spotted her exclusively hugging

greyscale

flags.

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

I even got my picture taken

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Wait shit

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'll just let everyone get in and get acquainted; it's too early to just be rushing in

villagery
-mm

wolfy
-csf

[Cat Scratch Fever]

wait

there's hydras in this game

Yes, but I'm not a hydra to be clear

TrueSoulHustler is the only hydra in this game

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'll just let everyone get in and get acquainted; it's too early to just be rushing in

villagery
-mm

wolfy
-csf

null
-mm

Why is 16 a townie post?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

So I see we're still in RVS.

{Creature | Amrun | Uncrowned} - the cool kids table
{rooroo | AaronFrost | rb} - the kids who take band table
{Pink Ball | Cat Scratch Fever} - Regina George's table
{Blatant Scum | Hectic | TrueSoulHustler} - the buffet table oink

Are you calling me a mean cat?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

genuineness
-mm

Genuine how? Tone?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I will just let everyone get in and get acquainted; it's too early to just be rushing in.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I will just let everyone get in and get acquainted; it's too early to just be rushing in.

VOTE: Creature because he has the most votes.

This is a weird sequence of posts.

Why was this post not accompanied by a vote?

Par exemple

VOTE: AaronFrost

[Cat Scratch Fever]

The
-(name)
Is what Hydra is saying what LMAO.
Do you Not know this?

-TSE

No, such an obvious conclusion is much too difficult for a kitten to make.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I can’t directly speak for MM
But I think maybe because looker would rather wait for people to do conversation before voting or jumping on someone?
Which can technically be appointed as Townie.
Me personally, would call it Null.

-TSE

Yes it’s a pretty null post

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why do you think that interaction between me and Hectic is SvS, TSE?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

not voting: Creature, Rooroo, clidd, Pink Ball, Looker

This phase ends in (expired on 2020-02-16 08:00:00)

Vote sheeple

[Cat Scratch Fever]

[quote="In post 147, Hectic”]

Spoiler: For Cat Scratch Fever's Eyes only

I'm slightly worried that some people are onto our

s c u m t h e a t r e

. The original picture doesn't even have the flag in it, so they might realise we edited it in photoshop to prepare for the meme.

[/quote]
Fear not, my photoshop skills are second to none. I doubt anyone will catch on to us.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@Hectic @rb, can i see your reads ?

Are you all caught up? Why ask these two?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Spoiler: This is how your spoiler

Check the PT, Cat Scratch Fever. There's a very angry rant waiting for you there.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@Hectic @rb, can i see your reads ?

Are you all caught up? Why ask these two?

It would be the opposite: why not ?

Because one of them already gave reads when you asked this question, and I want to know why you asked them specifically

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I don’t think anyone intentionally broke the rules here. Unfortunately I’m just a plebe and no one important on ms cares about my opinion

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: TrueSoulHustler

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Also what’s the case on my slot again?

-TSE

I don’t track your slots’ reads

Like the early townlean on looker for his first post. The thought process and tone in Looker’s post there is pretty NAI

And reading me and Hectic as SvS and then the backtracking by saying it’d be “funny” if we were SvS as opposed to something you believed

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Rooroo do you have any reads?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

As for the SvS. It’s a Hot Take. Not an actual read.
Hot Takes are like “Lol what if this is the case” kinda thing.
So I’m case there was confusion there, my apologies.

I always thought "hot take" was like "here is my unsolicited opinion that is different from the echo chamber." Am I so old that I can't keep up with slang these days...?

But okay, this progression makes a little more sense now.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

TSE, what's your read on Looker?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Yes, you said it’s ok to “pressure” you. That means voting.

In this gamestate, not liking a post is a great reason to vote someone. There isn’t a better one.


Your reaction is panicky. Ty for being obvious scum <3

I actually got the opposite read from his reaction.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Narrowing down further to Amrun vs rooroo

VOTE: rooroo Place a vote

Spoiler:

Creature (2)

: Uncrowned, Blatant Scum

TrueSoulHustler (3):

Hectic, Cat Scratch Fever, Amrun

rooroo (2):

AaronFrost, Looker

Pink Ball (1):

rb

Amrun (1):

TrueSoulHustler

Blatant Scum (1):

Creature

not voting: Rooroo, clidd, Pink Ball
13 alive, 7 to lynch?

Why rooroo over Amrun?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I want to hear more from Uncrowned. 288 was a very underwhelming post.

@TrueSoulHustler

I would prefer aggressive voting and pressing than someone tip-toeing around subjects and not being decisive with a vote.

What's your read on TSH and Amrun?

VOTE: Uncrowned

[Cat Scratch Fever]

This is like the one game where I wish we have a 14-day deadline.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

damn clidd, do you work in academia or something?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I prefer Amrun to TSH at this point. From my experiences/thoughts about Mafia as a whole, I generally agree with her stance on TSH's reactions/defensiveness.

Where are you at with your reads right now?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I keep rereading TSH's posts, and I'm not seeing the "defensiveness."

285 reads like coming from town who feels like they've been unfairly accused and think they're being pushed by scum.

290 is pretty nuanced. It's also indicative of TSH not kneejerk OMGUS'ing everyone who votes him, i.e. not defensive.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Yes, you said it’s ok to “pressure” you. That means voting.

In this gamestate, not liking a post is a great reason to vote someone. There isn’t a better one.


Your reaction is panicky. Ty for being obvious scum <3

I actually got the opposite read from his reaction.

So do you townread him?

Yes

[Cat Scratch Fever]

But, of course, I'm not accusing you or anything like that. I haven't reached the point of analysis yet, considering it is too early.

PSA this game has 7-day deadlines, and we have <4 days to go in day 1. I feel like maybe not everyone realizes this given the general lack of urgency?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I have rb, Hectic, rooroo (yes you read that correctly), and TSH as town.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Anyone else you think is scum, PB?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Yeah it’s a meta read. rooroo is having a bit too much fun shitposting to be scum imo

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I don’t like the rob/clidd team analysis in 363 but I need to chew on it more before I decide if I want to vote there

PB, why would rb panic about your lone vote on clidd?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

What are your reads on Uncrowned? (This question goes out to the peanut gallery) The guy has been massively flying under the radar

His pop in was pretty bad too:

> makes a generic statement about voting without providing reads
> asks creature questions that have pretty obvious answers imo?
> Comments on literally nothing else

[Cat Scratch Fever]

What applies to me? I haven't accused you...?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

He didn't panic, that's the thing. I didn't even vote clidd, I just called his pop up scummy, and that was enough for rb to jump on me and never let me go. That's the brilliancy of their hatchening, it's subtle, but powerful. But it make sense; rb had to make up an excuse to vote me and try to antagonize me, and they called me out because "out of the three making the same joke, PB hasn't provided anything". Read the first pages again and tell me what fucking sense that actually makes.

I mean, he could've just ignored you. People tend to move away from their early reads anyway - that's what I meant by he wouldn't need to have panicked or hatcheted.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Uncrowned, Aaron, either PB or Amrun

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I feel like that's liable to change though; I haven't put that much effort into sorting my null reads in the hopes that some of them will town it up

[Cat Scratch Fever]

hmm, why Aaron? I townread them

PB obviously i'm fine with

Amrun i have no real opinion of so again like whatever

Aaron because they voted TSH at a point where I started to townread them

[Cat Scratch Fever]

How do you feel about an Uncrowned wagon?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I actually did that because Amrun didn’t realize Blatant Scum was memeing.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

also who said i had a fuckin townlean on looker wat
-mm

Probably me

You said his first post was villagery

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I think we should try to lynch at least gray, but tbh I haven't thought of any great heuristics for determining flag color

Why is TSH black flag?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Now hug

[Cat Scratch Fever]

What’s your read on rb and PB, tsh?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

rb's weird switch of focus off me was bizarre

Why was it bizarre?

I doubt Rb and pb are scum together lol

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Pb was engaging him so naturally his focus gets diverted that way

[Cat Scratch Fever]

i don't even know who MM is

but whoever you are

your scum AtE game weak

or im just not happy that our slot would get scumread and then consequently ignored completely leaving no room to actually change your mind for the better
-mm

mad ting none of those are my posts
-mm

yeah, sorry that your hydra partner sucks

he doesnt
sorry that you suck at reading lmao
-mm

Also these posts sound like you’re talking to someone you think is town

[Cat Scratch Fever]

take a break from this thread and come back with cooler heads

We need content from other people anyway

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Just ctrl+f “obsess” in pink ball’s iso dude

[Cat Scratch Fever]

shit maybe im wrong about the association between u two

What did you mean by this?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@PB: I’m not really understanding why you think rb is scum...?

Like yes maybe hectic only had one post of solid content early game, but that’s still one more than you did at that point. So I think rb’s read there still makes sense

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I still feel like he had no need to hatchet there though. It was early, and your read on clidd was liable to change

Like suppose there was a rb/clidd team, why wouldn’t he just ignore your scumread on his partner instead of drawing attention to it

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Like balance of probability says it’s more likely that Rb is town who just scumread you

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Read on TSH? Doesn’t have to be elaborate

[Cat Scratch Fever]

That's not the impressions I got from those posts at all. 285 especially felt like a kneejerk reaction.

I don't get why he understands Hectic and your votes on him but not Amrun's?

285 is him arguing that bad != scummy. Amrun voted for TSH because his posts were bad.

He didn't seem to understand me or Hectic's reasons for voting him at first either until after we explained it.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

The point is, does TSE see it the same way you do and is just lying here or does he genuinely think differently? I still lean towards the latter.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

And town makes bad posts all the time. I frequently call people bad town

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@CSF you asked me about TSH and I delivered, is there some follow up on that?

No I just wanted to see if you had thoughts on the leading wagon of the day.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I think you’re extremely tunneled pb and I don’t think the evidence for clidd scum is strong enough to justify your continued tunnel there

[Cat Scratch Fever]

What happened to this?
Why is there so much content?

Do you have any reads?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Yeah, I prefer Amrun as town. Right now I'm liking Aaron and Amrun.

I'm okay with my Creature vote, he hasn't explained to me what he meant by Post 281 yet and until I get an answer I'm not really looking to move my vote anywhere.

Why is creature a better place for your vote than TSH?

your two stated townreads are both on the TSH wagon and you even townread amrun because you also think TSH is scummy, but you decide creature is more important to pressure because...? Is creature scummier in your eyes?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I don't think that sharing my reads in front of Hectic is a good idea.

Okay hectic promised in the scum pt to cover his eyes, so you can feel free to share your reads.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I have rb, Hectic, rooroo (yes you read that correctly), and TSH as town.

since you seem to be the odd one out mind explaining the townread on us?
im curious
-mm

I did in 337.

also as it stands u are next in line from rb so im all the more curious
-mm

Explain?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Yeah maybe Aaron is town after all. clidd as well

[Cat Scratch Fever]

okay fair

Who do you think is scummy?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

tbh ur townread on us feels like going against the majority for the sake of towncred even tho im happy someone does, also your townread on a controversial player like rb has gone completely unexplained (unless you said your reasons for the townread in a post without name dropping rb) as if you couldnt properly read a teammate
-mm

Rb isn’t controversial. Aside from pb who I think is probscum, you are the only other person who thinks he’s scum iirc

And the guy is obvtown.

Scum don’t get pissed off to the point of replacing out in this gamestate over an argument. I know you think his emotional outburst was scummy, but it’s much more likely coming from town who has a short fuse for arguing against someone who wouldn’t budge. And thats believable considering he back and forthed with pb for a long time without pb having re-evaluated any of his reads.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

tbh ur townread on us feels like going against the majority for the sake of towncred even tho im happy someone does, also your townread on a controversial player like rb has gone completely unexplained (unless you said your reasons for the townread in a post without name dropping rb) as if you couldnt properly read a teammate
-mm

also I don’t understand - do you think that TSE’s posts were overly defensive and warrant the votes on him?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I probably need to do some legwork and dive uncrowned but too lazy rn

[Cat Scratch Fever]

is looker always this lurky? Asking for a friend

[Cat Scratch Fever]

tbh ur townread on us feels like going against the majority for the sake of towncred even tho im happy someone does, also your townread on a controversial player like rb has gone completely unexplained (unless you said your reasons for the townread in a post without name dropping rb) as if you couldnt properly read a teammate
-mm

Rb isn’t controversial. Aside from pb who I think is probscum, you are the only other person who thinks he’s scum iirc

And the guy is obvtown.

Scum don’t get pissed off to the point of replacing out in this gamestate over an argument. I know you think his emotional outburst was scummy, but it’s much more likely coming from town who has a short fuse for arguing against someone who wouldn’t budge. And thats believable considering he back and forthed with pb for a long time without pb having re-evaluated any of his reads.

rb is controversial because everyone wants to avoid talking about the situation
your reason is far from good enough because you townread them long before their eventual outburst

Early scumhunting
Early push on pb feels nuanced (ie the part where he says pb is only joking around and not scumhunting vs me and hectic)
His push on pb feels like something he really believes in
His overall tone resembles the one game I played with him in

He went from like medium strength townread to really strong townread

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Do you disagree with “rb’s tilt was very towny”? If so, why

[Cat Scratch Fever]

rb is controversial because everyone wants to avoid talking about the situation

Also wat. Who has avoided talking about him?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Is TSE the one driving this hydra? Who gets to decide where your hydra is voting?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Do you disagree with “rb’s tilt was very towny”? If so, why

?

tilt = his replace out

[Cat Scratch Fever]

early scumhunting means nothing
genuineness is only really useful as a starting point

Remind me who your townreads are again?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

You guys probably need to talk to each other more outside of the game thread to work out reads.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Rooroo's ISO has been devoid of any meaningful content IMO save for the vote on me, and even that seems contrived and lacks any substance behind it.

Outside of TSH, I'd probably be looking there next.

As for others, I need to be do a proper recap before I start more thorough sorting.

Just doing some quick ISO reading since it's quicker than going through the full game.

Blatant Scum hasn't really done anything either. Active early (mostly filler) followed by no real pushes or reactions to this games proceedings.

I feel like there's enough readable content as this point to at least make some minor analysis.

Aside from that, I also agree with Aaron (I believe it was Aaron, lol) who mentioned that Blatant's vote of Creature was sort of weird, given his posts prior to that. He's sort of self-aware about it, so it's hard to gauge. I'm still leaning it as slightly scummy behavior, though.

Can you give me an ordered list from town to scum?

Because the fact that you're vanity voting Creature who seems checked out when you have all of these other avenues to pursue is kind of blowing my mind right now. yes, technically Blatant Scum is also voting Creature but he is also afk voteparking there

plus

you say his vote on Creature was "weird"

[Cat Scratch Fever]

like you can ask Creature questions and use your vote in a more proactive manner

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I can haz pagetop?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

meow

[Cat Scratch Fever]

There's a wagon on TrueSoulHustler because people thoughts their posts were scummy, starting on page 12

I'm trying to make a counterwagon on Uncrowned happen, and it's not really happening

Your slot and Pink Ball 1v1'd for a really long time

Not much has happened tbh

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm not trying to mix games, but me being upset with Hectic is NAI
If you have a question for me, Cat Scratch Fever, just ask me - I read the forum. Being passive aggressive isn't necessary.

It wasn’t a question for you; it was a question about you.

{Amrun/rooroo | TSH/AaronFrost | Uncrowned | rb Woodchuck/Pink Ball/Creature/Blatant Scum}

Hey where am I?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Why do you townread Uncrowned Mr Ball?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

TSH aside from Amrun, who else is on your radar?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Creature needs to be replaced and hopefully we get a deadline extension.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I thought TSH was either town or at best black flag but then this dumbass wagon on rooroo began to build.

Should pinkie be scumreading you here, rooroo?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Uncrowned is still scum. his vote on rooroo is a very lazy “oh looks like I can park my vote here” type of vote with no engagement with rooroo aside from shitposting.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I would vote TSH over rooroo.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Damn that was fast. Thank you Nancy!

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Should pinkie be scumreading you here, rooroo?

Probably not

I’d also be willing to wagon PB to see if that gains any traction but Uncrowned is less likely to be black flag of the two.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Maybe depending on flips

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Flip me, I'm almost sure you will get my alignment right by then

What flip would make you change your mind about me? I don't have many interactions with anyone

If TSH (or anyone really) were to flip white flag, I promise to never lynch you!

If TSH flips not-black flag scum, or if clidd is scum, I think that might trigger a re-evaluate on you specifically. Generally speaking, I reassess my reads when someone flips the way I didn't expect them to.

There are lots of reasons why I wouldn't want to lynch you right now though; I think you've opened yourself up to being an easy lynch, and I kind of think you did this on purpose because you rolled black flag.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Hey, so, I was reading Micro 915 'cause I still was going back and forth with my read on clidd, and back to scumreading him. Yay! That means I don't want to vote TSH anymore, not because I don't think they're scum, but because I don't want to vote with my main scumread. TSH is probably the black flag scum and bussing them is a fine idea. If that's the case, I'm pretty sure rooroo is town.

UNVOTE: TSH

Interesting

Can I urge you to reconsider Uncrowned? I know you said mindmeld, but his reads are very generic and vague. They're very easy for scum to fake.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Uncrowned is also scum because he's playing different from his past town games; he's not as "in the middle of the action" here. His posts feel like they're trying to appease more than scumhunt.

His reads are generic. He's voting rooroo but didn't directly seriously engage with rooroo even though she responded directly to him.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

TSH, can I also interest you in the Uncrowned wagon?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I definitely Town read CSF over those posts.

@CSF
Name 3 players who you would want to lynch and why.
Other then myself of course.

-TSE

Uncrowned

is just scum man >>

PB

is scummy, but if scum, likely to be black flag =

Amrun

who has mostly interacted with you or with people about you and not much else =

Blatant Scum

who I actually forgot was in the game

Really hoping on the day not ending while we have Creature's slot empty

I'll give Looker a pass because someone said they hate day 1.

I don't particularly want to lynch you, but the people voting you seem unwilling to budge.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Speaking of Amrun, Amrun where are you with the rest of your reads?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Instead of whining about it and suggesting I'm scum because I'm looking at someone who has actually been active, but isn't really posting useful content... why don't you, I don't know... explain why the wagon is dumb? Instead of just saying it is?

This is rooroo's playstyle, and her lack of useful content doesn't mean she is more likely to flip scum. I feel like she's obviously meme'ing, and I've been waiting for someone on that wagon to at least take a step back and think to themselves, "hmm I wonder if rooroo is always like this" and do the legwork to look into her past games themselves so I can net myself another townread, but that really hasn't happened. It's also a bad wagon because everyone on that wagon has just parked their vote there and seemed to have called it a day.

As for why rooroo is town, I think her posts on pages 7 and 27 are town indicative for her and goes back to what I was saying earlier about rooroo is having a little too much fun to be scum. Not only is she posting, but she's interacting directly with someone.

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I don't think I'm ignoring your posts? I asked you for reads and you gave them to me, and I said they were kinda generic and easy to produce. You did move your vote off of Creature, I'll give you that one, but as far as engagement in the game, I'm still not really seeing it.

Another thing is that you voted rooroo over TSH to pressure rooroo, but I'm not really seeing how you're trying to get a better read on her otherwise, since you haven't directly talked to her about the game in spite of having the opportunity to do so. I also feel like you were trying to avoid the TSH wagon for some reason.

By your reads are easy to fake, I mean that scum can read this game and easily end up with the same reads and explanations that you provided. This doesn't make you scum, but it doesn't give me confidence to say you're town either.

Maybe a good summary of why I think you're scum is that you seem detached from this game

and

you haven't given me reason to townread you.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Speaking of Amrun, Amrun where are you with the rest of your reads?

Probably in their scum chat.
Also do you feel that Amrun could be buddys with Uncrowned?

-TSE

Yes but I don't know if the probability is higher than random.

@CSF

Do you think Scum!RooRoo ever appears in an Scum!Uncrowned world?

It's not impossible, but I just townread rooroo individually

[Cat Scratch Fever]

yes

[Cat Scratch Fever]

As for me not interacting with Rooroo... I believe I have? if you read her posts aimed toward me, they're still joking around and not really doing much to progress my read, either. But eh, I can see why you think I haven't put effort into the read.

this is all I found

Spoiler:

Rooroo's ISO has been devoid of any meaningful content IMO save for the vote on me, and even that seems contrived and lacks any substance behind it.

meaning is in the eye of the beholder

This is true. I'm just not really seeing anything.

And yeah Cat, I'll get a list up now.

VOTE: RooRoo

I've been told I'm colorblind by my friends

I'm just not good at differentiating between shades )';

what if what I see as red, you see as blue, except you call it red because that's what other people call it?

Stahp it you're scaring me ):

and rooroo is shitposting, but I don't expect her to do any serious pushing while she's on her Jester account. Whereas I do expect you to do more to find scum as town. I'll take a look at the micro you mentioned later when I'm in the mood to do some close reading.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Ok I'll read it, but only because I like you. The prospect of reading clidd's dense wallposts makes me want to die inside.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Ok I'll read Uncrowned again, but for the love of me, read the games where clidd was town and look at how different the approach is. Both games I said he had a direct approach with the playerlist, he talks with "are you going to..." instead of "is he going to..." kind of style; even in his huge ass analysis, which he always does, when he was town he directly approached Espionage. Here he just made an analysis about rb and me and called rb conftown and me probtown, without approaching us. He has talked to me in this game but always with some kind of disengaging comment. He's avoiding engagement instead of encouraging it like he did in both towngames I quoted.

clidd is in a weird position where I don't think he's as towny as his towngames, but I don't think he's as scummy as his scumgames.

His read on your is more nuanced than anything he's produced as scum. He made one wallpost as scum, but the reads there were shallow whereas he seemed to really try to figure out your alignment here. I also think he has engaged with you and a little bit with rb. He seems more active here than his scumgames, though that's fell off the last couple of days too.

Otoh, clidd thinks a lot about the setup when he is town, and uses the setup to guide his reads. In light of that, I think this vote is really odd coming from clidd and needs to be better explained:

Spoiler:

Honestly, TSH looks much more like a joker card than necessarily a specific alignment. It is almost as if he wants to be lynched.

In any case, it is valid to consider voting on him/they.

VOTE: TrueSoulHustler

I agree with you that he engaged with Espeonage more in that micro, whereas here he just put his vote on TSH and left, but I would lean town and give clidd some more time and see if he comes back.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

@mod: will the deadline be paused if a replacement is not found?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Welcome Skygazer!

[Cat Scratch Fever]

For now, I'd like to ask Cat Scratch Fever to STOP posting cat GiFs immediately. I'm feeling very buddied.

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Spoiler:

Ugh sorry I tried to stop, I really did.

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{Uncrowned}
{Hectic, Cat, Pink Ball}
{AaronFrost, Woodchuck}
{Amrun}
{Clidd}
{Rooroo}
{Blatant Scum, Creature}
{TrueSoulHustler, Looker}

I'm willing to give Rooroo the benefit of the doubt here.

I doubt a wagon can get done on Looker by this day phase, but I suggest we push that slot tomorrow.

Going to check what the vote count is and then move my vote.

How did leaning town on clidd?

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*how did you end up leaning town on clidd?

wow it's way too early

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yeah

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Why do you ask?

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It's good to see you around again!

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Hectic, are you still town on Blatant Scum?

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Cool, Uncrowned is town too.

Why?

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TSH and Uncrowned at popular topics at the moment

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I don't know.
Uncrowned seems like a prototype of obvtown player.
Why is he being scumreaded?

I think most of it is in my ISO

Why is he obvtown?

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Sites very broken, and Central Park won’t even show up for me most of the time.

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I have been pretty transparent with my reads IMO, minus that Uncrowned one.

I think you have been transparent with the ones you’ve given, but you haven’t given many reads.

For Uncrowned, I just liked their re-read. It didn’t feel like they had an agenda. They were seeing what shook out and giving it a go. They didn’t end up with great results but they tried. I did that myself as town in Guns N’ Roses 3. It’s just a towny thing to do.

I think effort wall posts can come from scum, especially when they’re under pressure, and the agenda could simply be to look town to get pressure off of you. One or two effort posts is less town indicative than sustained effort imo.

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I wouldn't say that I'm TR anyone right now - I just feel certain flips would be more beneficial than Pink Ball's at the moment. I haven't even considered a clidd flip.

How can you not be TR anyone?

Struggling to understand this from a town perspective.

Then understand it from a scum perspective since your scum.
I mean, who says “Town Prespective” other then scum.

-TSE

She meant she was struggling to see how looker was coming at this game from a town perspective.

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@Cat

I ended with Clidd as weak town because, although I agree with PB that the opener was kinda scummy, and the lack of scumhunting, he's still shown flashes of effort that *seem* townie. For instance, I ended up agreeing with the towncasing he gave of both PB/RB and I think if he were scum, he could've taken a much different route to handle that situation.

I see

Also I read the Micro game you mentioned earlier. I think you were relatively inactive in that town game, but when you did show up in the thread, you felt more fast and loose than you do here.

I would characterize your scumgame as flying effectively under the radar, and while being under the radar and being inactive often happen together, I’m not only scumreading you here for not posting.

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I’m a little spooked by how TSH’s wagon has stalled though even though his play hasn’t changed

And generally by how all wagons seem to be stalled. I don’t think anyone has hit L-2 all game

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@CSF

I think this is you.
I got This from Mafia 451.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Northsidegal

Lmao I

wish

, but no sorry

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Et tu, Skygazer?

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How would you rate your skill at playing Secret Hitler, Cat Scratch Fever?

Very good, evidently

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I’m busy today but amrun and uncrowned’s recent posts have been better. I think I prefer voting TSH

Best way to work out flag color is probably through preflip VCA, but that requires making many assumptions. there’s been enough resistance around the TSH wagon that I don’t think it’s necessarily going to flip black flag, Hectic. His lynch will also provide the most info imo.

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Doesn’t TSH always say weird things that attract attention to himself? That’s the general impression I have of him.

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Anyway I’m Town.
Shouldn’t be a surprise.

-TSE

You know who’s probably the black flag though.
Or maybe even the white.

Spoiler:

Amrun

-TSE

He got lazy here, think he's achieved the lynch on him. Just calliing himself town, not really trying to push Amrun seriously anymore. Doesn't even seem mad. And then considers Amrun a Black or White Flag, and not a Grey specifically. Lul, what kind of conclusion is that? I'm feeling good about this being Black Flag.

TSH knew he hadn’t been hammered yet there. he knew clidd was already voting him.

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Where else would you look if not TSH?

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What’s CL-meta?

It does bother me that several people voting for TSH haven’t mentioned anything about what they think his flag color is. It matters a lot. Winning 10:3 white flag is already difficult, trying to win 10:3 mountainous I don’t really even want to think about it.

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I can take a look at his scumgames in an hour.

I don’t feel a BS or Sky lynch because if we mislynch, we’ll be at the same place tomorrow.

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He replaced rb

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Hectic, have you read this scumgame of TSE's? viewtopic.php?t=81952&f=11&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

His play is similar here. I don't think TSE is deliberately trying to act jestery here, and there's enough resistance to the wagon to make it worthwhile. I don't think we can assume he is black flag scum for the rest of the game, because I'm not confident enough in that assertion.

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It's still clidd and I've seen people re evaluate that slot. Let's start a wagon there

VOTE: clidd

VOTE: TSH

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Oops pressed submit too early

Pink ball, I don’t think anyone else is scumreading clidd. I have him back as town since he returned.

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TSH is at L-1

I’m ready to end the day

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I hardclaimed white flag on page 2 of this game and no one CC’ed soooOOOooo

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What is that nightkill

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Busy today. Will post tomorrow

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Is it just me, or was this the longest 4-day week in recent memory?

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woodchuck, why did you move your vote off of TSH and onto rooroo?

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Hum, the ideal scenario would be to split two votes into separate wagons, and one in the main. Or two in the main and only one out. In any case, there is, as a rule, at least 1 scum in the TSH wagon.
If I have to do a quick guess, I would discard PB, CSF and Uncrowned. The pool to lynch would be Skygazer, AaronFrost and Amrun.

Why would scum be the ones to jump on the wagon first?

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what was scum's plan to win the game? tsh didn't have that much resistance and a slot like bs is probably going to get lynched sometime

I definitely feel like the TSH wagon stalled yesterday. Like between 658 and 783, the VC didn't move at all.

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vote count 1.18

TrueSoulHustler (7)

: Amrun, AaronFrost, clidd, Skygazer, Uncrowned, Cat Scratch Fever, Pink Ball

Skygazer (3)

: Blatant Scum, Hectic, woodchuck321

Amrun (3)

: rooroo, Looker, TrueSoulHustler

not voting:

This phase ends in (expired on 2020-02-18 08:00:00)

mod notes: quack.

Though thinking about this some more, I pretty much townread everyone alive and off wagon except BS. And no counterwagon to TSH got more than 3? votes iirc

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Hot Take.
This is scum theatre.
And CSF and Hectic are scum buddies.

Like, would he be this cheeky? I love the idea of this being the scumteam

Hectic and I are scum together but not with TSH

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{Uncrowned, BS, PB} lynchpool today. Everyone else I think is varying degrees of town.

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His reasons for scumreading sky and clidd today feel weak.

His vote on TSH could be a plausible bus.

Both heads of TSH fence sat on his slot.

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Also not sure how he went from wanting to lynch in sky’s wagon to lynching sky today.

Creature’s vote on bs as an attempt to derail TSH wagon early isnt a compelling reason considering I think sky’s 5th vote on TSH broke something of a stalemate

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Why would I know you’re town?

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Creature’s in this game?

Skygazer replaced Creature

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My memory of your meta isn’t that clear, and in any case, I have a feeling your play has evolved since then.

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I’m going to hammer in a few hours if no one has objections. We can always get uncrowned tomorrow if need be.

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You shouldn’t call someone “mentally r-“

it’s offensive and carries meaning beyond calling someone “stupid” or “idiot.” Although you really shouldn’t call people those either

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I can't stop watching your avatar

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Amrun, who do you think are possible partners for Titus/Blatant Scum?

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Guys this conversation isn’t healthy

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You think clidd puts his partner to L-1 here?

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It's not an academic exercise for me. I'm not convinced BS is scum partly because I'm not sure what his partner is doing here.

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Let the mod handle that imo. But I'm not seeing why it's scummy.

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Titus, I'm still not following why it's scummy for clidd to say that.

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Why?

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Preflip associations are bad.

tbf I did ask her to do it

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Titus, I'm still not following why it's scummy for clidd to say that.

To demoralize town PB who might suspect a scum. Demoralizing obvtown tends to demotivate the town as well.

Is PB obvtown to you?

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Can you quote some of his towny posts?

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Last thoughts before leaving this game for good:

Titus coming in like that is pretty townie. I don't think she would try to take advantage of a situation like that.

I actually think clidd is town now, for the simple thought that if he did what he did just to win a game as scum, I'm pretty sure he's the worst piece of shit I've ever seen in this site.

UNVOTE: clidd

Good luck guys I'll be rooting for you!

This here is a prime example. If PB scum, then he could coast on clidd resentment. Instead he unvotes. That doesn't rule out S v S but I doubt PB endorses such a move.

I did have a scum hydra partner call us retarded once in the PT and promptly said we couldn't win and threw the game in a non-obvious way. We still won. He got banned shortly thereafter. That's why I can't rule out S v S but I highly doubt it.

This sort of assumes clidd is scum. But I'm curious how you reached the conclusion that PB is town in the first place, because in order for clidd to be scum pushing on town, you must've thought PB was town by the time you voted.

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Welcome Chemist!

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This sort of assumes clidd is scum. But I'm curious how you reached the conclusion that PB is town in the first place, because in order for clidd to be scum pushing on town, you must've thought PB was town by the time you voted.

I did. I quoted the best example. The reactions of PB being insulted like that were pretty town.

Why didn't you think they were TvT? clidd and PB had been going at it for a while now.

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To clarify Titus, you've only read from around when you replaced in?

PB and clidd weren't always so toxic, I don't think. There was a real build up in tension there, harking back to day 1.

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Chemist's entrance is meh

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i have trouble seeing titus town + clidd scum

Why's this?

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Titus why did you unvote and then re-vote the Chemist slot?

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Chemist, how caught up are you?

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VOTE: Titus