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Ah well looks like I won’t have to try hard this game cuz everyone’s competent here
Don’t mind my skating and choosing this game as the one where my meta is completely overwritten.
FA’s town cuz in the numerous posts where she was asking why people thought she was scum, not once has she mentioned that “What makes you think I was picked by Alisae?” , “Why would Alisae choose me?” whereas a scum would’ve had that aspect acknowledged most likely in their PT.
Your move wolves.
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I think RR / Oka / Aaron / Chemist / Pine
Were scum off my read through.
Oka was scummiest.
Aaron and Chemist standing out, followed by RR.
Pine I just didn’t like his wall about Alisae’s personality, there were some stuff that I think were stretched in order to justify why he wouldn’t be picked by em, as opposed to him just solving. If he would’ve died early as a town role that fucks with scum, why does he even need to address that instead of going “I am just gonna die so leave me alone” like espe?- insomnia
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Point is, if he felt like he was going to die regardless, why do you still feel the need to talk about Alisae’s personality and why ey wouldn’t pick you as a scum member instead of you being “Meh fuck this my role is so town that I can clear myself off just literally claiming”
That’s where it doesn’t make sense why town!Pine would do it- insomnia
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hiIn post 3151, Sherlock and Watson wrote:
looks like scumsomnia so farIn post 3148, AaronFrost wrote:Why insomnia?
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That would take an elite scum team level of coordination and most peeps are lazy mhmIn post 3107, Titus wrote:Do you think S and W is scum and that two scum slots were deliberately wagoned d1 to fuck with my VCA?- insomnia
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ah my town read on you is a goner bittyIn post 3128, Bitmap wrote:VOTE: Hectic
I don’t think scum would claim VT out of all possible roles.
why not consider hectic was derping at all. after an achieved scum lynch, it would've been dumb to make such a play, wouldn't it?
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Why were you more concerned here with how people perceived the strength of FL's analysis rather than the inability it causes onto other players to read FL in any way, especially for yourself? You didn't really express a town read on him before this, and this post is highly suggesting you town read him.In post 1498, Reasonably Rational wrote:Holy shit fl. I just woke up and wasn't going to post anything until I had the chance to like read things and make notes and shit instead of just focusing on what jumps out at me( since apparently I haven't played in long enough that far fewer things are jumping out at me), but I just have to say: I really really want you to finish this draft analysis/scum role filling thing, whatever the hell it is you're doing, but you should absolutely do so AFTER the game is over because even if you're both town and 100% accurate, I do not see this as a line that is likely to be judged as convincing to most players, so it's really just filler.
You do you though man.
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I think RR is the best shot today and maybe Pine can get checked somehow, think he's been really sus with his play thus far.
Chemist is also most likely scum because he dedicated more than one post on the TSE read (yes, that's an actual read) than to anything else that requires solving in the thread.
i think s w , espe, bitmap, hectic, oka, ank all probably town
amrun probably town for how she reacted to pine even though that's the most faked push I've ever seen (talking about pine's soft on amrun)
VOTE: Reasonably Rational
willing to wait on pine to get either cleared or himself to fully claim sometime around the next day phase
his consistency w/r/t who he would check is good though so i give him that. i still can't shake off the feeling that everything was faked, including his push as well as his interpretation of Alisae's personality and how ey wouldn't pick Pine. There's some cognitive dissonance that I don't get how's coming from a town mentality - he's saying Alisae likes winning but only when it's by emself - which makes no sense whatsoever, if e wanted to achieve a win, then em not picking a good scum player doesn't achieve that. It's like, how do you even come to the conclusion that Alisae likes winning but also likes winning by emself / claim all the cred, when e isn't even supposed to solve or anything. In the context of this game, where Alisae is only meant to fuck with us (which e is doing as of now and has been doing all game long) it's a weird interpretation and find it really far fetched.
but whatever, rr is scummier and it doesn't revolve around wifom interpretations of personality and whatevs- insomnia
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Yeah I'm not gonna develop on it sorry. Nor on Chemist, you'll have to fake that I'm a paragon or something and then we'll all blame me post-game for being shit at reading em both if they're both town.
it wouldn't sound anywhere as cool as it did on RR and it doesn't convince anyone. me acting like a cocky son of a bitch might have a lot more pull though and ank also pushing it seems the positive course of action in order for me to achieve my wincon- insomnia
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I'll just give a sneak peek, fine. Let's go through this post for a bit.In post 591, AaronFrost wrote:
I know what he claimed. My wording was off, as it usually is, but basically my thought was that if he's a town ascetic enabler, then one of Amrun/RR (the ascetic claims) is likely scum.In post 564, Maki and Kaito wrote:
Uh, he's not claiming ascetic though, and this is worded like you believe he is claiming ascetic - he's claiming ascetic enabler. If you're not paying close attention to his claim, how can you say you believe it?In post 481, AaronFrost wrote:
K so going back to this, I trust Pine's claim which, if true, likely means one of the other two ascetic claims is scum.In post 439, Titus wrote:
We have 3+ ascetics. So, at least skim.In post 438, AaronFrost wrote:Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.
Claim whether you're ascetic as well please.
I should probably put my vote somewhere huh
VOTE: RR
In Aaron's mind, he believes Pine's claim. He sees no reason why scum would fake claim.
Now, that would incentivize him to try and figure in between Amrun and RR, as, from his PoV, there's a likely scum.
The timing at which the vote is placed down is really bad, as well as the way he goes around voting it.
As town, you were just proven with mechanical info that there's a likely scum candidate in between Amrun / RR. That would give you some heat you know, some hype energy as you've narrowed two scum (from your PoV) and that would make you want to sort them and find who the town is and who the scum is.
That vote is more like an RVS than actually sorting in a mechanical lock box, it's like "Meh whatever it's anyone" which doesn't really make sense. Town!Aaron would pay close attention to Amrun and RR and make a call much later on after thorough analysis and questioning.
This is not how a town would approach a situation like this, from their PoV. The vote is weaksauce, it's not based around sorting anyone which he had a lot of incentive for, as he's been granted a mechanical PoE between 2 people, which is like anything a town would ask for, like a holy grail.
Hope it makes some sense. Try and put yourself in Town!Aaron's shoes here. His mentality and actual in thread actions aren't consistent. After this vote is placed he doesn't even try and figure if he made the right choice, he's just posting for the sake of posting.- insomnia
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I see, seems like a reasonable explanation. Looking forward to seeing more from you though.In post 3238, Reasonably Rational wrote:The way scum and town FL react to that question(and play going forward) are different, at least, my expectations are different. Town FL wants the shit he's saying to actually be usable, so making him aware that the shit he's saying isn't going to actually accomplish anything *should* result in him toning it down. Scum FL cares *less* about how usable it is, though they still care, and is therefore more likely to continue wasting time on that.- insomnia
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just hit me up with a pm when you find something interestingIn post 3217, Alisae wrote:
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In post 3265, Sherlock and Watson wrote:He's 1/3 cause somni is scum-somni
Boon would you like be the conductor and lead the party train on somni/fa-slot today so I don't have to type so much
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Pine’s 356 is not a really good look, for the reason that it doesn’t reach the conclusion of “She’d want to not draft us because she wants to beat us because we are ALSO good town members” but it’s just taking Alisae’s personality and it feels like it’s twisting it / stretching it into giving a somewhat understandable reasoning as to why he isn’t scum, rather than stating why he wouldn’t be chosen. It’s as if he’s defending himself already and not taking an innuendo of why he’s town
I guess I just don’t resonate with what Pine is trying to convey here, I don’t think it makes the slightest bit of sense. First of all, isn’t she like lynch proof or something? Why would the point of “Alisae is an alfa and wants to win regardless” not result into wanting to pick the top scum players on site? Weird.
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I’ll refine on the points I feel like are good but they’re probably weakly conveyed, I think Pine as a town would’ve come to the conclusion of “Scum Alisae would not pick us because she’d want a challenge” rather than “Scum Alisae wouldn’t pick us because e wouldn’t want us to steal the spotlight” which is an absolute non-sensical thought given that Alisae is mod confirmed scum that can’t be lynched and wins solely on what eir team mates do. Eir literal drafting process is what wins em the game.
So, again, the fact that Pine went out of his way to do a personality analysis on Alisae when he thought “i’m gonna die n2 probably anyway” doesn’t share the same confidence as his initial claim and he’s already defending himself despite claiming he’s gonna get off’d N2.
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Yo FL, when you're here, let me know if you've ever said anything about knowing Alisae irl, as I'm too lazy to look for it in your ISO.In post 1552, AaronFrost wrote:Assuming that Ali didn't pick you and thinks that you might have a good idea of who e would pick because of irl experience, wouldn't e try to subvert that?
Kind of rolling my eyes into my head because Aaron didn't reach the conclusion of a possible scum FL scenario and just shaded him, all the while not coming to the realisation that Ali would pick FL specifically because of their IRL experience, which seems like blatantly obvious of a conclusion to come to from that progression.- insomnia
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In post 3435, Ankamius wrote:I have a few townleans beyond that but none I would say are expressly 'under my protection' except for insomnia- insomnia
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In post 1796, AaronFrost wrote:I'm pretty sure you've only played with scum me prior to this game but I think my town game is much stronger than my scum game. Like I'm okay at playing scum, but I'm much better at playing town.- insomnia
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ok vote's locked peepsIn post 3456, Chemist1422 wrote:
wait when was my TSE push seriousIn post 3373, insomnia wrote:As for Chemist he’s scum because of his first push that was ever serious was on TSE and that’s enough to conclude a scum read on him, he’s been on MU and knows how goofy towns act, this is not town chemist.
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In post 267, Chemist1422 wrote:
what are the odds alisae read this and facepalmed in the mafia ptIn post 248, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:This is my wheel decide game.
Everything will be decided by Wheel Decide.Com
This includes the following:
Engagements
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Reads (I’ll try and make them look as legit AF)In post 285, Chemist1422 wrote:
wow this is really depressing if you look at it at the right angleIn post 282, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
This’ll be funIn post 276, Chemist1422 wrote:TSE how long do you plan on using random decisions for stuff
oh ok byeAnkamius wrote:Sigh. Let me know when there's something worthwhile to read. Until then, I'm lurking this game out.
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I’ll try and make my reads look legit LOL.
And on a serious note, you can’t really say “this is bad play”
Because is everyone’s Reads Correct? Do we always lynch scum?
The answers no. No we don’t.In post 583, Chemist1422 wrote:
try asking the wheel :^)In post 582, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
Question is.In post 574, Espeonage wrote:
There's a bunch of ascetics. Multiple soft claims. TSE is either mafia being coaching in to being the absolute worst shitposter ever, or is town and the worst shitposter ever. So that's the lynch rn.In post 571, gobbledygook wrote:Can someone Tl;dr the game for me.
The will to continue leads me to lean scum when he has stated he's not going to be an idiot any more in completed games.
Are you Town pushing me or mafia.In post 953, Chemist1422 wrote:
anyone who uses the term "deepwolf" in any context on d1 gains one (1) ego token automaticallyIn post 950, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
Lol no.In post 888, OkaPoka wrote:its because tse is a naive mafiascum player who has probably lost to a deepwolf and has been permanently traumatized as a result
poor tse
send tse to the mountainous gulags to realize that townies can be good at the game
I always scum read all the Deep Wolves.In post 954, Chemist1422 wrote:In post 951, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:If I was actually playing I would be hard scum reading Chemist and Ank.
But Guess what.
The Wheel’s in charge.In post 957, Chemist1422 wrote:
figure it outIn post 955, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
Why’s that?In post 953, Chemist1422 wrote:
anyone who uses the term "deepwolf" in any context on d1 gains one (1) ego token automaticallyIn post 950, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
Lol no.In post 888, OkaPoka wrote:its because tse is a naive mafiascum player who has probably lost to a deepwolf and has been permanently traumatized as a result
poor tse
send tse to the mountainous gulags to realize that townies can be good at the game
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Great, now you have time, explain.In post 2406, AaronFrost wrote:Not really feeling the Mako wagon tbh. I'll explain more when I have time.- insomnia
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In post 3475, Sherlock and Watson wrote:
Hey as I said you got 2 days until I can be bothered to push him. I'm warning you that I'm gonna still want him lynched but he's not the last scumIn post 3433, Ankamius wrote:oh you asked why, somehow I missed that
it's because this game is messy for me atm and I want to be able to get to a point where I can have a grasp on the game
and having an insomnia lynch is going to fuck with that enough where my main utility to the game is probably just going to end up just... eating a nightkill unless we get to like... day five
at that point I'd rather just play in my neighborhood and mostly ignore posting in the main thread for my own sanity
You know I want to give room for you to have fun too! *hug*
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I still don't understand what you're trying to say.In post 3487, gobbledygook wrote:
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Oka is mech confirmed town
Gobble is just really townie for me, I can probably do a case but I don't really think it's worth of an elaboration? Especially his latest theory about bitmap pocketing ank.
titus, i still think RR is scum and my thoughts are that Pine is probably thread spewed which just annoys me but it could be a reality.- insomnia
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Hectic pulled off a gambit claiming JOAT, he softed it, then hard claimed JOAT with a gunsmith check on oka.
Oka claimed VT.
Hectic backed off oka saying he was not faking JOAT but he faked the result in order to get a reaction out of Poka.
with 1 scum down, this just puts unnecessary attention on hectic and also clears Oka.
unless they're both scum, I don't see why scum!Hectic would even do this- insomnia
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I mean, with RR, there's a general theme of not attempting to solve anyone and focusing on mechanical stuff. The only thing he spooled out was his Pine read which is more theory than actual solving.
Also, his questions aren't really helping him solve anyone.
he's also almost restricting himself from engaging other slots than he already knows which I currently read as a pretext for not spewing anyone else and keeping a narrowed focus.
the fact that he's doing this wouldn't be bothersome in and of itself, but he isn't even trying to sort those people (ank, FL, etc)
he's so reluctant on FL that at this point it's like he's attempting to fake solving and thinking about stuff on purpose and not just it being a lengthy process to finding FL's alignment out. like, even when I tackled him, he just went on that train of thought and didn't choose anything else out of FL's iso to sort.
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