Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[insomnia]

Ah well looks like I won’t have to try hard this game cuz everyone’s competent here

Don’t mind my skating and choosing this game as the one where my meta is completely overwritten.

FA’s town cuz in the numerous posts where she was asking why people thought she was scum, not once has she mentioned that “What makes you think I was picked by Alisae?” , “Why would Alisae choose me?” whereas a scum would’ve had that aspect acknowledged most likely in their PT.

Your move wolves.

VOTE: OkaPoka

[insomnia]

[insomnia]

I think RR / Oka / Aaron / Chemist / Pine

Were scum off my read through.

Oka was scummiest.

Aaron and Chemist standing out, followed by RR.

Pine I just didn’t like his wall about Alisae’s personality, there were some stuff that I think were stretched in order to justify why he wouldn’t be picked by em, as opposed to him just solving. If he would’ve died early as a town role that fucks with scum, why does he even need to address that instead of going “I am just gonna die so leave me alone” like espe?

[insomnia]

Point is, if he felt like he was going to die regardless, why do you still feel the need to talk about Alisae’s personality and why ey wouldn’t pick you as a scum member instead of you being “Meh fuck this my role is so town that I can clear myself off just literally claiming”

That’s where it doesn’t make sense why town!Pine would do it

[insomnia]

I thought it was obvtown if you ask me

[insomnia]

Depends on what his role is but if he had a role that allows him to choose the people and it gives him some form of result, the fact he picked you over say Espe or Sherlock is mind boggling

It can totally be faked but unless we have a full claim and explanation, I believe this debate is useless.

[insomnia]

That’s my point amrun, if it’s self-resolving, why go out of your way to defend yourself against an accusation that has its roots in wifom when you can just hardclaim if you get ran up.

[insomnia]

Why insomnia?

looks like scumsomnia so far

-S

hi

[insomnia]

Do you think S and W is scum and that two scum slots were deliberately wagoned d1 to fuck with my VCA?

That would take an elite scum team level of coordination and most peeps are lazy mhm

[insomnia]

VOTE: Hectic

I don’t think scum would claim VT out of all possible roles.

ah my town read on you is a goner bitty

why not consider hectic was derping at all. after an achieved scum lynch, it would've been dumb to make such a play, wouldn't it?

surprised krazy actually voted that as well.

[insomnia]

So what are your thoughts on Pine's early soft claim on Amrun that isn't actually a soft?

[insomnia]

VOTE: Pine

[insomnia]

That's an anti-town lynch, mind you.

If I'm scum I spew half the playerlist.

If I'm town I may actually catch someone.

so

[insomnia]

anyone got any reasons to town read any of Aaron / Chemist / RR / Pine

i'll wait

[insomnia]

Holy shit fl. I just woke up and wasn't going to post anything until I had the chance to like read things and make notes and shit instead of just focusing on what jumps out at me( since apparently I haven't played in long enough that far fewer things are jumping out at me), but I just have to say: I really really want you to finish this draft analysis/scum role filling thing, whatever the hell it is you're doing, but you should absolutely do so AFTER the game is over because even if you're both town and 100% accurate, I do not see this as a line that is likely to be judged as convincing to most players, so it's really just filler.

You do you though man.

-Cerb

Why were you more concerned here with how people perceived the strength of FL's analysis rather than the inability it causes onto other players to read FL in any way, especially for yourself? You didn't really express a town read on him before this, and this post is highly suggesting you town read him.

[insomnia]

I think RR is the best shot today and maybe Pine can get checked somehow, think he's been really sus with his play thus far.

Chemist is also most likely scum because he dedicated more than one post on the TSE read (yes, that's an actual read) than to anything else that requires solving in the thread.

i think s w , espe, bitmap, hectic, oka, ank all probably town

amrun probably town for how she reacted to pine even though that's the most faked push I've ever seen (talking about pine's soft on amrun)

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

willing to wait on pine to get either cleared or himself to fully claim sometime around the next day phase

his consistency w/r/t who he would check is good though so i give him that. i still can't shake off the feeling that everything was faked, including his push as well as his interpretation of Alisae's personality and how ey wouldn't pick Pine. There's some cognitive dissonance that I don't get how's coming from a town mentality - he's saying Alisae likes winning but only when it's by emself - which makes no sense whatsoever, if e wanted to achieve a win, then em not picking a good scum player doesn't achieve that. It's like, how do you even come to the conclusion that Alisae likes winning but also likes winning by emself / claim all the cred, when e isn't even supposed to solve or anything. In the context of this game, where Alisae is only meant to fuck with us (which e is doing as of now and has been doing all game long) it's a weird interpretation and find it really far fetched.

but whatever, rr is scummier and it doesn't revolve around wifom interpretations of personality and whatevs

[insomnia]

I really think RR / Chemist / Aaron / Pine has possibly 2-3 scum and I'll keep posting it so I can get that sweet potential cred mhm.

[insomnia]

yo ali, what hydra game have you promised me?

[insomnia]

VOTE: AaronFrost

[insomnia]

I'm also advocating an Aaron lynch and I caught him scum day one if it makes you feel any better :shrug:

[insomnia]

Chemist should be vig'd or something imo

[insomnia]

Yeah I'm not gonna develop on it sorry. Nor on Chemist, you'll have to fake that I'm a paragon or something and then we'll all blame me post-game for being shit at reading em both if they're both town.

it wouldn't sound anywhere as cool as it did on RR and it doesn't convince anyone. me acting like a cocky son of a bitch might have a lot more pull though and ank also pushing it seems the positive course of action in order for me to achieve my wincon

[insomnia]

Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.

We have 3+ ascetics. So, at least skim.

Claim whether you're ascetic as well please.

K so going back to this, I trust Pine's claim which, if true, likely means one of the other two ascetic claims is scum.

Uh, he's not claiming ascetic though, and this is worded like you believe he is claiming ascetic - he's claiming ascetic enabler. If you're not paying close attention to his claim, how can you say you believe it?

I know what he claimed. My wording was off, as it usually is, but basically my thought was that if he's a town ascetic enabler, then one of Amrun/RR (the ascetic claims) is likely scum.

I should probably put my vote somewhere huh

VOTE: RR

I'll just give a sneak peek, fine. Let's go through this post for a bit.

In Aaron's mind, he believes Pine's claim. He sees no reason why scum would fake claim.

Now, that would incentivize him to try and figure in between Amrun and RR, as, from his PoV, there's a likely scum.

The timing at which the vote is placed down is really bad, as well as the way he goes around voting it.

As town, you were just proven with mechanical info that there's a likely scum candidate in between Amrun / RR. That would give you some heat you know, some hype energy as you've narrowed two scum (from your PoV) and that would make you want to sort them and find who the town is and who the scum is.

That vote is more like an RVS than actually sorting in a mechanical lock box, it's like "Meh whatever it's anyone" which doesn't really make sense. Town!Aaron would pay close attention to Amrun and RR and make a call much later on after thorough analysis and questioning.

This is not how a town would approach a situation like this, from their PoV. The vote is weaksauce, it's not based around sorting anyone which he had a lot of incentive for, as he's been granted a mechanical PoE between 2 people, which is like anything a town would ask for, like a holy grail.

Hope it makes some sense. Try and put yourself in Town!Aaron's shoes here. His mentality and actual in thread actions aren't consistent. After this vote is placed he doesn't even try and figure if he made the right choice, he's just posting for the sake of posting.

[insomnia]

The way scum and town FL react to that question(and play going forward) are different, at least, my expectations are different. Town FL wants the shit he's saying to actually be usable, so making him aware that the shit he's saying isn't going to actually accomplish anything *should* result in him toning it down. Scum FL cares *less* about how usable it is, though they still care, and is therefore more likely to continue wasting time on that.

I see, seems like a reasonable explanation. Looking forward to seeing more from you though.

[insomnia]

yo ali, what hydra game have you promised me?

a hydra game
if you think something looks cool just let me know, I'm like kinda picky tho (I don't think there are any good games atm)

just hit me up with a pm when you find something interesting

[insomnia]

RR, I take it you analysed FL's play after that post was made, then. What's your read on him?

With as much detail as possible if you can, please

[insomnia]

He's 1/3 cause somni is scum-somni

Boon would you like be the conductor and lead the party train on somni/fa-slot today so I don't have to type so much

-S

[insomnia]

FL, can you glance over my Aaron case? Spotted something juicy.

[insomnia]

yeah, no, i don't believe that

[insomnia]

so if aaron flips red you're next yeah?

[insomnia]

TSE’s town

[insomnia]

I’m not town telling so feel free to rush me

It’s time my scum game got better for a change

You’ll actually have to read my posts now peeps sorry

Aaron / Chemist / RR / Pine

[insomnia]

Pine’s 356 is not a really good look, for the reason that it doesn’t reach the conclusion of “She’d want to not draft us because she wants to beat us because we are ALSO good town members” but it’s just taking Alisae’s personality and it feels like it’s twisting it / stretching it into giving a somewhat understandable reasoning as to why he isn’t scum, rather than stating why he wouldn’t be chosen. It’s as if he’s defending himself already and not taking an innuendo of why he’s town

I guess I just don’t resonate with what Pine is trying to convey here, I don’t think it makes the slightest bit of sense. First of all, isn’t she like lynch proof or something? Why would the point of “Alisae is an alfa and wants to win regardless” not result into wanting to pick the top scum players on site? Weird.

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I’ll refine on the points I feel like are good but they’re probably weakly conveyed, I think Pine as a town would’ve come to the conclusion of “Scum Alisae would not pick us because she’d want a challenge” rather than “Scum Alisae wouldn’t pick us because e wouldn’t want us to steal the spotlight” which is an absolute non-sensical thought given that Alisae is mod confirmed scum that can’t be lynched and wins solely on what eir team mates do. Eir literal drafting process is what wins em the game.

So, again, the fact that Pine went out of his way to do a personality analysis on Alisae when he thought “i’m gonna die n2 probably anyway” doesn’t share the same confidence as his initial claim and he’s already defending himself despite claiming he’s gonna get off’d N2.

The fact that Pine also didn’t reveal his results and just faked a soft is a tremendous look.

[insomnia]

As for Chemist he’s scum because of his first push that was ever serious was on TSE and that’s enough to conclude a scum read on him, he’s been on MU and knows how goofy towns act, this is not town chemist.

[insomnia]

I did read that but I lack the brain cells to make up whatever you tried to convey

I don’t know who it is but I am pretty confident in Chemist and Aaron so I want to lynch in those two today.

[insomnia]

Assuming that Ali didn't pick you and thinks that you might have a good idea of who e would pick because of irl experience, wouldn't e try to subvert that?

Yo FL, when you're here, let me know if you've ever said anything about knowing Alisae irl, as I'm too lazy to look for it in your ISO.

Kind of rolling my eyes into my head because Aaron didn't reach the conclusion of a possible scum FL scenario and just shaded him, all the while not coming to the realisation that Ali would pick FL specifically because of their IRL experience, which seems like blatantly obvious of a conclusion to come to from that progression.

[insomnia]

TSE's lock town.

[insomnia]

Seth, vote Aaron please. Chemist isn't getting lynched today because he's not on people's lists, we can push it tomorrow.

[insomnia]

It's Aaron and Chemist

[insomnia]

I have a few townleans beyond that but none I would say are expressly 'under my protection' except for insomnia

[insomnia]

players also need to stop doing draft analysis and just hunt

[insomnia]

I don't. But if you think so, then let's go Chemist.

[insomnia]

VOTE: Chemist

aren't you buying my case on aaron or why are you town reading him?

[insomnia]

I'm pretty sure you've only played with scum me prior to this game but I think my town game is much stronger than my scum game. Like I'm okay at playing scum, but I'm much better at playing town.

[insomnia]

As for Chemist he’s scum because of his first push that was ever serious was on TSE and that’s enough to conclude a scum read on him, he’s been on MU and knows how goofy towns act, this is not town chemist.

wait when was my TSE push serious

ok vote's locked peeps

never moving

[insomnia]

This is my wheel decide game.
Everything will be decided by Wheel Decide.Com

This includes the following:
Engagements
Voting
Reads (I’ll try and make them look as legit AF)

what are the odds alisae read this and facepalmed in the mafia pt

TSE how long do you plan on using random decisions for stuff

Sigh. Let me know when there's something worthwhile to read. Until then, I'm lurking this game out.

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oh ok bye

This’ll be fun
I’ll try and make my reads look legit LOL.

And on a serious note, you can’t really say “this is bad play”
Because is everyone’s Reads Correct? Do we always lynch scum?
The answers no. No we don’t.

wow this is really depressing if you look at it at the right angle

Can someone Tl;dr the game for me.

There's a bunch of ascetics. Multiple soft claims. TSE is either mafia being coaching in to being the absolute worst shitposter ever, or is town and the worst shitposter ever. So that's the lynch rn.

The will to continue leads me to lean scum when he has stated he's not going to be an idiot any more in completed games.

Question is.
Are you Town pushing me or mafia.

try asking the wheel :^)

its because tse is a naive mafiascum player who has probably lost to a deepwolf and has been permanently traumatized as a result

poor tse

send tse to the mountainous gulags to realize that townies can be good at the game

Lol no.
I always scum read all the Deep Wolves.

anyone who uses the term "deepwolf" in any context on d1 gains one (1) ego token automatically

If I was actually playing I would be hard scum reading Chemist and Ank.
But Guess what.
The Wheel’s in charge.

its because tse is a naive mafiascum player who has probably lost to a deepwolf and has been permanently traumatized as a result

poor tse

send tse to the mountainous gulags to realize that townies can be good at the game

Lol no.
I always scum read all the Deep Wolves.

anyone who uses the term "deepwolf" in any context on d1 gains one (1) ego token automatically

Why’s that?

figure it out

I’m not gonna lie

I’m this close to trying to policy TSE

[insomnia]

VOTE: AaronFrost

a chemist lynch, even if red, wouldn't be satisfying at all

this otoh has more chances of flipping red, especially after looking through VCs and shit.

a chemist lynch does literally nothing.

sorry gobble think this boy's scummy scum scum.

[insomnia]

Not really feeling the Mako wagon tbh. I'll explain more when I have time.

Great, now you have time, explain.

[insomnia]

oh you asked why, somehow I missed that

it's because this game is messy for me atm and I want to be able to get to a point where I can have a grasp on the game

and having an insomnia lynch is going to fuck with that enough where my main utility to the game is probably just going to end up just... eating a nightkill unless we get to like... day five

at that point I'd rather just play in my neighborhood and mostly ignore posting in the main thread for my own sanity

Hey as I said you got 2 days until I can be bothered to push him. I'm warning you that I'm gonna still want him lynched but he's not the last scum

You know I want to give room for you to have fun too! *hug*

-S

[insomnia]

I said he's town

[insomnia]

what thing?

at least bitmap has a beautiful town tone

i locked him town for his #37 or #38 whatever it was and then zooted the fuck out of that iso

[insomnia]

what scum ever does that

[insomnia]

good read but i disagree that bitmap is scum.

bitmap's either a strong emotion manipulating bloodlusting menacing wolf

or a town

[insomnia]

what scum ever does that

How is that different than what Aaron did

I still don't understand what you're trying to say.

[insomnia]

bitmap, why'd you neighbourize ank?

[insomnia]

Lol, why'd you only want her reads for yourself?

[insomnia]

I'm on the AF train

gang

oka is a veto

gobble is a veto

amrun i'm ambivalent on after some re-thinking but still irrationally town reading the slot

p-edit : lol my case on aaron is nothing because of that, i made a huge post about him. now i was gathering information.

[insomnia]

Oka is mech confirmed town

Gobble is just really townie for me, I can probably do a case but I don't really think it's worth of an elaboration? Especially his latest theory about bitmap pocketing ank.

titus, i still think RR is scum and my thoughts are that Pine is probably thread spewed which just annoys me but it could be a reality.

[insomnia]

Hectic pulled off a gambit claiming JOAT, he softed it, then hard claimed JOAT with a gunsmith check on oka.

Oka claimed VT.

Hectic backed off oka saying he was not faking JOAT but he faked the result in order to get a reaction out of Poka.

with 1 scum down, this just puts unnecessary attention on hectic and also clears Oka.

unless they're both scum, I don't see why scum!Hectic would even do this

[insomnia]

I mean, with RR, there's a general theme of not attempting to solve anyone and focusing on mechanical stuff. The only thing he spooled out was his Pine read which is more theory than actual solving.

Also, his questions aren't really helping him solve anyone.

he's also almost restricting himself from engaging other slots than he already knows which I currently read as a pretext for not spewing anyone else and keeping a narrowed focus.

the fact that he's doing this wouldn't be bothersome in and of itself, but he isn't even trying to sort those people (ank, FL, etc)

he's so reluctant on FL that at this point it's like he's attempting to fake solving and thinking about stuff on purpose and not just it being a lengthy process to finding FL's alignment out. like, even when I tackled him, he just went on that train of thought and didn't choose anything else out of FL's iso to sort.

meeeeh. i believe he believes in his pine read but i don't believe he's town for it.

[insomnia]

The Aaron / RR shenanigan going on is actually funny, they're both kind of considering each other but not hard pushing each other at all.

AF's argument has poor reasoning.

@Spiffeh and @Titus - Care to weigh in on why his reasoning is flawed?

This is really weird lol, it's so robotic and why would he want the focus to be directed on this?

Why pick people to prove someone's argument is bad rather than considering whether it's argued by a scum or a town? The underlying motive is to disprove the argument made but not to draw anything from it, which is really weird.

Aaron: Your lack of certainty concerns me. Bah. Fine. I'll go like, ISO them or something.

this won't get followed up on and it's the only time he takes the time to actually call something that's not mechanically related.

[insomnia]

I mean, with RR, there's a general theme of not attempting to solve anyone and focusing on mechanical stuff. The only thing he spooled out was his Pine read which is more theory than actual solving.

Also, his questions aren't really helping him solve anyone.

he's also almost restricting himself from engaging other slots than he already knows which I currently read as a pretext for not spewing anyone else and keeping a narrowed focus.

the fact that he's doing this wouldn't be bothersome in and of itself, but he isn't even trying to sort those people (ank, FL, etc)

he's so reluctant on FL that at this point it's like he's attempting to fake solving and thinking about stuff on purpose and not just it being a lengthy process to finding FL's alignment out. like, even when I tackled him, he just went on that train of thought and didn't choose anything else out of FL's iso to sort.

meeeeh. i believe he believes in his pine read but i don't believe he's town for it.

RR are two mechanical players, focusing most of their time and energy on mechanical stuff is NAI for them

Good, talking about why Pine isn't scum cuz he claimed on day one and it could've hindered with his wincon isn't top echelon mech talk and can always be faked

why didn't RR push AF based on mechanics? He just wanted to disprove him and didn't try to see if it's even a

reasonable

thing to come to from Aaron's PoV.

even as a mechanical player, wrong mechanical interpretation also leads you to some form of scum reading. how do players that only rely on mechanical aspects play? lurk til a massclaim is organised? like they have to comment on *something* and contribute somehow. there's always something to look at.

[insomnia]

RR was provided with mechanical solving

he decided to show why it sucks (Aaron's mechanical solve) rather than push Aaron for a vote based on poor mechanical reasons

and you're telling me that doesn't trigger any form of reaction in RR's brain? he doesn't think "wait, that's ludicrous, how does he even come to that conclusion? it's kind of opportunistic to vote someone for such reasoning so early, isn't it?"

it's just a robotic approach that I don't think comes from town and the RR slot proved that those feelings can manifest somehow.

[insomnia]

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

if spiffeh was fine with this then i'm feeling better about it

[insomnia]

This is gonna be one of those games where everyone is softing reads on someone and then after their soft does something scummy as fuck they realise that their role doesn’t clear their soft at all but it was just an inconclusive result so they irrationally just town read them for not getting a hard check on em

In other words this game’s a complete mess is my point.

If you’re gonna soft shit all over the place you’re just confusing everyone. If you don’t have any mechanical reasons to LOCK someone as town, then don’t say it. Meaning hard on results stating someone is either town or scum.

If you get wifom results that are dependent on “something”happening, don’t say they’re town when you don’t have any information on that “something”

Or if you have to find yourself assessing some form of scenario that results from your inconclusive result, don’t soft anything

VOTE: AaronFrost

If you have town reads on someone, say if it’s mechanical and HIGHLY probable or just don’t say it

You’re derailing town and allowing scum to narrow the suspects, if your mech clear is getting pushed, wait to see who pokes it and why

Like I’m all over the place now, people throwing softs around, no reasons for town reading someone

[insomnia]

I pledge my allegiance to the clown noses and therefore I ask of a modified avatar

[insomnia]

Yes!

[insomnia]

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[insomnia]

so that means i start scum reading bitmap and espe?

[insomnia]

{Oka, Hectic, Ank, Bitmap, TSE, gobbledygook}
{Amrun, FL, S&W}
{Pine, Espeonage}
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{ReasonablyRational}
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{Chemist1422}
{AaronFrost}

[insomnia]

I thought he was joking

[insomnia]

Someone walk me through how the mason drafting works and if titus generates every single masonry

and if there can be scum in masonries

[insomnia]

Like because if you actually believe that I'm scum, then there's no possible way you're townreading them both.

walk me through how you got to this conclusion please

p-edit : i think you're wrong

because if titus picks the masonries she has 3 confirmed towns off the bat

i think she just picks the masonries but doesn't decide their alignment fam

[insomnia]

players are picked but titus has no guarantee of what their alignment is i think

[insomnia]

you usually disguise yourself as something that you aren;t

that's why it's not working

there, i town told, give me some space

[insomnia]

no they're not.

you aren't confirmed.

[insomnia]

One mason has died, there can't even be 3 of you alive lol

unless there's like 3 masons of Titus and another masonry???

[insomnia]

so AF can't be scum here? nor can FL or Hectic?

[insomnia]

wait. are there only 2 scum?

i'm actually confused

[insomnia]

so AF can't be scum here? nor can FL or Hectic?

[insomnia]

i can confirm as i am part of the red nose gang

[insomnia]

S and W wait why

"mom said so"

[insomnia]

I skimmed RR's Overkill game and there are some overlapping tells and personality stuff.

Part of why I'm paranoid is that there's literally the same form of hunting / shading going on about something, mainly the "why don't you have conviction" part when pushing Aaron.

My personality read of them is that they are really suspicious / triggered by people that aren't answering inquiries and they'll chase it, which checks out, with Spiffeh and the people that haven't claimed.

Also, the slot claimed in a game that as town, they're more likely to not correct people on mechanics, which they've done with Aaron and pointed out why he's wrong, whereas, if he was scum, he probably would've twisted Aaron's view of their slot as scummy instead of defending themselves against such a futile accusation.

So they're definitely trending upwards for me, hmm. This should be interesting.

p-edit : Titus, how would you describe RR's scum game?

[insomnia]

Seth, vote Aaron por favor amigo

[insomnia]

Chemist, TSE is Seth from MU.

[insomnia]

Oh lol

then why the fuck would you vote him knowing that he's town here

[insomnia]

No one wants to actually engage with me tho so what can you do *shrug*

I literally asked you a question and there's a case on you.

[insomnia]

i think gobble's confused about the pepelaugh

[insomnia]

That wagon looks better than my life choices

[insomnia]

https://voca.ro/omq904UdK8f

I wanna believe this lol

[insomnia]

I’d lowkey be impressed if you were lying there, you are a great actor if you are lying

[insomnia]

I wish I played in like 2007 in that era of scum hunting

[insomnia]

Oh shit i wanna see that

I wanna hear the voice behind the seth posts

[insomnia]

I will never have the same impression I had on Seth

I just thought of him being one of them NPCs

He’s an actual human being wtf

I feel like when I was little and I was told santa didn’t exist, I’m in shambles

[insomnia]

Wait isn’t it loyal

[insomnia]

Tbh this entire playlist should post a vocaroo saying

Sup my loyal companions. It is me, ...

[insomnia]

https://voca.ro/h4MUQn8rFJl

Apologizing in advance for the morning voice

[insomnia]

Sounds like seth tbh

[insomnia]

Chemist, what's your read on Aaron? why are you trying to discuss my and gobble's spot on aaron without actually addressing whether you think aaron's scum or not?

[insomnia]

Ok, he didn't answer that, so why are you already evaluating people that are voting him without having an opinion on him at all?

[insomnia]

You're evaluating slots based on their votes on someone that you have no read for?

[insomnia]

VOTE: Chemist1422

[insomnia]

You're presenting your uncertainty about our slots based on our votes on someone that you have no evidence to lean one way or the other on, you

assume

he's town and that's why you don't like our votes. If you assumed Aaron was scum, then you would've liked our votes / not commented on them at all.

The evidence you have for AaronFrost doesn't warrant your suspicion on me or gobble unless you heavily town read him, which you don't. You actually expressed he's close to a null, but town, nonetheless.

Taking our votes solely to analyse our alignment while not having any reason to town read the person we vote is yucky and you'd never do that. You don't assume someone's town when you have no evidence to prove so and just express people's votes on the slot.

Your stance right now only comes if you think Aaron is town, which you said you don't really put much stock on. Shouldn't you evaluate him prior to advancing this sorting us type of deal?

[insomnia]

Why are you unsure of me and gobble?

[insomnia]

Do you think there is another thing I should've / could've focused on? I don't understand.

What about gobbles?

p-edit : ok

[insomnia]

I asked you a question.

[insomnia]

please vote chemist

[insomnia]

Titus, you probably missed it, but could you describe how you view RR's town game and if this fits your mental map of how they'd approach the game as town?

Also, what do you think of my most recent point on Chemist?

[insomnia]

https://voca.ro/8julS2Gyonv

[insomnia]

oh btw if anyone wants a serious response to 3884, the point is if I can solve the alignments of people voting AF, that might help me solve AF’s alignment

that's a terribad argument.

[insomnia]

it's an incorrect theory that I don't think you actually believe in. 2 slots that turn out to be town in a 7 player wagon proves nothing of the alignment of the person being voted. there are all town wagons, there are all scum wagons + town. you know this.

if you're town, drop this line, because it's faulty and try and tell me how your play thus far has affected the town to play better / helped with scum hunting / direction.

[insomnia]

That’s because you’re only looking at it from the side of them being town

No, you are. If you thought he can be scum you wouldn't have thought about this being a pre-emptive bus if you had no read on them. Your analysis could've pointed to both of us being town, both of us being scum, one of us being scum and the other one being town, and none of those suggest a bus because you don't have a flip yet.

[insomnia]

Chemist, can you quote some posts of yours that involve actual solving of the game?

[insomnia]

Listening to Insomnia's voice got me like

i mean why not

https://voca.ro/oPUtoE6Ma5h

volume warning, might wanna turn the volume to like 50% or so

[insomnia]

i think i found the new way of pocketing

[insomnia]

The Chemist push from both of those slots is bad too and it's pretty clear that insomnia has never played with Chemist and has no idea how to read him.

TSE's arguments are bad. Like, ultra bad. So bad I'm almost tempted to say that it never comes from scum but I think TSE's fully capable of making bad arguments like that and have people shrug it off saying 'oh it's just TSE being TSE, it's NAI.'

Hi me and chemist have played on MU since march up to november in approximately 6 games or so

Why’d you think I’d lie about chemist’s meta? That seems like a bad thing for me to lie about.

[insomnia]

That's an anti-town lynch, mind you.

If I'm scum I spew half the playerlist.

If I'm town I may actually catch someone.

so

Like this post from insomnia is just awful

Why?

[insomnia]

[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=11597463#p11597463] Like I'm not buying the fact that he just suddenly decided to start playing seriously especially after we had a scum flip yesterday.[/quote]

VOTE: AaronFrost

[insomnia]

Like I'm not buying the fact that he just suddenly decided to start playing seriously especially after we had a scum flip yesterday.

[insomnia]

Kodak moment?

[insomnia]

I remain with the solve of Chemist / Aaron

If vig would target Chemist that’d be highly appreciated.

[insomnia]

Fair, but I was talking in the context of “if you let me alive, I’m gonna spew half the playerlist if I’m scum”

Not sure why you’d come to that conclusion that I was saying that, wouldn’t it be obvious I wasn’t literally saying I am gonna spew a lot of people in that exact moment?

Anyway, why so strong on Chemist?

[insomnia]

TSE, read post 3952

[insomnia]

No, that’s a slip. You are probably scum that has been demoralized by the day one lynch and you were projecting onto TSE your reasoning for not playing seriously after the flip.

Among other things.

Ok, if you don’t think it was a slip, why did you back track and say it was wrong?

[insomnia]

Like you willingly stepped down your most convincing part of the case and saying it was wrong in order to deflect from it being a slip. Cuz if you’re wrong then it means it can’t be a slip, right?

[insomnia]

No, that’s a slip. You are probably scum that has been demoralized by the day one lynch and you were projecting onto TSE your reasoning for not playing seriously after the flip.

I already said that I missed your meta read on Chemist because I skimmed a lot. How the fuck is that a scumslip? How was I supposed to know that you had prior experience with Chemist when I clearly mentioned that I skimmed and didn't see it?

PEDIT: It's not a lie, it's a lack of knowledge. Now that I know, it's something I'm taking into consideration.

I’m not even talking about this, talking about the post where you said TSE’s scum for tryharding after a scum lynch

[insomnia]

Ali what about 3952? is that a slip?

[insomnia]

Lol he still doesn’t notice

[insomnia]

I’m not talking about what TSE is talking about.

[insomnia]

Like I'm not buying the fact that he just suddenly decided to start playing seriously especially after we had a scum flip yesterday.

[insomnia]

TSE is a fucking russian tank, man’s unbeatable

[insomnia]

Oh you don’t need to answer cuz you won’t realise it was a slip

I was just pointing it out for other people

[insomnia]

TSE stay on Aaron

They’re both probably scum together

[insomnia]

It is lol

[insomnia]

The motivation Alisae comes out with this information to spew 2 town is zero.

Chemist was active lurking, probably plotting with Alisae on what to do

Chemist literally reacted as soon as Alisae posted. Coincidence?

Nah.

[insomnia]

Aaron still slipped and is still scum.

I won’t bother you though, this village could use some heat.

Leaving the mech talk to you and wanna see RR’s shining aspect of his game in the flesh.

Cya

[insomnia]

The only way this gambit actually advances Alisae’s wincon is if we were wrong on both Chemist and Aaron being scum

Which is such a slim probability that I’m not even considering.

[insomnia]

I’m not really the type of dude to enjoy mech talks and this is just a huge smoke screen. If you get yourself out of the fog, you start asking yourself why Alisae would ever do this if Chemist and Aaron were both town.

Chemist posted as soon as Alisae revealead that and instantly voted RR.

Scenarios in which Alisae claims this in order to further their wincon :

1) Chemist / Aaron / RR are all town

2) One of Chemist / Aaron is scum and RR is the town that’s getting set up

Either way, there’s gotta be one in Chemist and Aaron and it doesn’t change my reads at all.

This looks planned as fuck, Chemist was here the entire time, he just posts as soon as he gets outed? Give me a break.

This was planned to frame RR.

Besides, read my 3952, Aaron literally slipped. This is a smoke screen.

I have learnt that sticking to my reads is a lot better and I have more faith in them. The only way subjective reads get tempered is with a huge mechanical smoke bomb.

[insomnia]

Like I'm not buying the fact that he just suddenly decided to start playing seriously especially after we had a scum flip yesterday.

I’ll humor the enigma solving for you but at the end, you have to turn back to this

[insomnia]

If we’re right on you and Aaron then there’s no reason not to stir the pot

If we’re wrong then there’s no reason to stir the pot unless RR is town too which is the only scenario it’s profitable.

There’s one more scenario where 2 out of 3 are town in you / aaron / RR and this is setting up the lynch for the second one, which makes no sense because there’s a high chance there would’ve been a mislynch regardless, cuz we would’ve still voted chemist / aaron out of whoever is the one that’s alive after we flip the town. I guess Alisae would want to set up a lynch on someone but with one scum left there were high chances we would’ve mislynched regardless.

Bottom line is that there’s scum in Chemist / Aaron

[insomnia]

No, that’s a slip. You are probably scum that has been demoralized by the day one lynch and you were projecting onto TSE your reasoning for not playing seriously after the flip.

Among other things.

Ok, if you don’t think it was a slip, why did you back track and say it was wrong?

[insomnia]

Alisae only gambits like this if all 3 of you are town.

Which means that S&W and Pine are high scum candidates. Which I can entertain but I’m not considering yet.

[insomnia]

This plan wasn’t thought through, it’s setting up nothing, it’s just a huge smoke screen imo.

Vote Aaron por favor amigos

[insomnia]

That’s exactly my point lol

You’re either all 3 town or one of you is scum and that’s probably you still.

[insomnia]

Before this it literally felt like wolves had no thread control

Let’s keep it that way and follow through. I think town was working together and the dark forces were resting.

[insomnia]

See this is what Alisae probably wanted

Stay the course friend, Aaron is a controversial slot that isn’t able of towning it up and if he’s scum then the scum team is decided or if he’s town it gives town even more of an incentive to figure stuff out.

There’s literally no reason not to lynch him right now.

[insomnia]

Doesn’t matter, I think they’re really fitting their town meta unless their scum game is very similar.

If so then I’m probably gonna fearmonger them and park my vote on them for the rest of the game

[insomnia]

Oh god no please stay on Aaron

[insomnia]

oh btw if anyone wants a serious response to 3884, the point is if I can solve the alignments of people voting AF, that might help me solve AF’s alignment

that's a terribad argument.

That's the entire premise of my VCA. :/ I know I said keeping my thoughts to the end but this irked me.

In the grand scheme of things it’s okay

But chemist strictly referred to only 2 people on the wagon out of 7

[insomnia]

Please sit on Aaron or I will scum side and scream at you through vocaroos for the remainder of the game

[insomnia]

Ok the chaos is not good for this player list, we’re doing it wrong.

Everyone take a breather.

The fact that people were hooded doesn’t matter.

What matters is why does Alisae choose to out the information if we were already wrong on both chemist and aaron

[insomnia]

Please sit on Aaron or I will scum side and scream at you through vocaroos for the remainder of the game

Me?

Everyone voting for anyone but aaron

[insomnia]

We were killing them anyway though is my point

[insomnia]

So why just add unnecessary chaos that could potentially make us shift off them, significantly increasing our chances of hitting actual scum

[insomnia]

Ok Titus I’m sorry I didn’t mean to offend you or the VCA

I have explained what I meant

Forgive me for I have sinned

[insomnia]

The choices are literally in the same order, if they were all town why would e bother to keep them the same?

E is scared about aaron being looked at as scum and placed him the furthest

*Ace ventura theme starts playing*

[insomnia]

“TSE is scum because I literally can’t believe how he would try so hard

especially

after a

scum

lynch”

This is a thought that a triggered scum has that TSE is locked onto them and is admitting that they’re scum but they’re pissed at TSE for calling them out without any basis.

If it’s not a slip, how’s it ever a thought that town has

[insomnia]

What

[insomnia]

Aaron didn’t correct me on what he meant though

[insomnia]

That’s exactly my interpretation

And all of a sudden i get where the vote is coming from

But if all 3 of them are town than my reads are yucky

[insomnia]

There’s no way all town are in RR / Chem / Aaron

Kekw

[insomnia]

That’s exactly my interpretation

And all of a sudden i get where the vote is coming from

But if all 3 of them are town than my reads are yucky

You know I was going to add something into my last post about how you seem to be making facts fit your reads, rather than letting the facts define your reads, but felt that maybe that wasn't being fair to you.

This awareness here of your bias against accepting your reads as possibly wrong....tis really town.

-Cerb

I usually have a tendency for that but I’m not twisting the Aaron read at all.

Look at how lifeless he reacted to my post pointing his scum flip

“oh wow I slipped badly oops” or whatever

And then look at how he reacted to when he thought I was talking about TSE’s post about the slip TSE noticed

[insomnia]

No, that’s a slip. You are probably scum that has been demoralized by the day one lynch and you were projecting onto TSE your reasoning for not playing seriously after the flip.

I already said that I missed your meta read on Chemist because I skimmed a lot. How the fuck is that a scumslip? How was I supposed to know that you had prior experience with Chemist when I clearly mentioned that I skimmed and didn't see it?

PEDIT: It's not a lie, it's a lack of knowledge. Now that I know, it's something I'm taking into consideration.

Like you willingly stepped down your most convincing part of the case and saying it was wrong in order to deflect from it being a slip. Cuz if you’re wrong then it means it can’t be a slip, right?

What are you even talking about?

I'm not backing down on my Chemist read or my read of you, I'm backing down on the fact that you have no experience with chemist since that's objectively not true.

No, that’s a slip. You are probably scum that has been demoralized by the day one lynch and you were projecting onto TSE your reasoning for not playing seriously after the flip.

I already said that I missed your meta read on Chemist because I skimmed a lot. How the fuck is that a scumslip? How was I supposed to know that you had prior experience with Chemist when I clearly mentioned that I skimmed and didn't see it?

PEDIT: It's not a lie, it's a lack of knowledge. Now that I know, it's something I'm taking into consideration.

I’m not even talking about this, talking about the post where you said TSE’s scum for tryharding after a scum lynch

That's not the 'slip' that TSE was referring to

PEDIT: Dude I explained this 1000 million fucking times, Leaf Hectic and I are masons. I can townread someone while disagreeing with their reads.

Like I'm not buying the fact that he just suddenly decided to start playing seriously especially after we had a scum flip yesterday.

He won’t answer that.
He’s scum.

How am I supposed to answer a gif?

Like I'm not buying the fact that he just suddenly decided to start playing seriously especially after we had a scum flip yesterday.

Yes because this is a scumslip. Oops I slipped real hard guys.

[insomnia]

God damn it gobbles it’s sitting at plain sight

Ok, riddle me this, how does a town ever scum read someone because they are try harding after a scum was flipped

[insomnia]

No, the question is do we have any reasons to tiwn read any of those 3

[insomnia]

Easy, we power lynch through the pool of the three musketeers

While we designate other people to analyse / get night results on S&W , Pine , Amrun , Bitmap, FL

If we’re right on the initial pool of 3 people having the 2 scum then noice

If not then we start clearing people that aren’t getting nk’d and are town read for lesser reasons

[insomnia]

Bitmap state your reasons for sring me

[insomnia]

VOTE: Bitmap

[insomnia]

Kekw

[insomnia]

no we are sheeping ic

Locktown lmfao

[insomnia]

Please for the love of this town shoot Aaron tonight

[insomnia]

I honestly don’t regret anything about replacing in this game

I feel like I’m in a mash and the memes are great

Good fun

This bitmap wagon although potentially being a mislynch is making me laugh my ass off irl

[insomnia]

Let’s lynch Sherlock!

VOTE: Sherlock

Taking this as anti-spew if it flips red

[insomnia]

Wait I lowkey didn't even know Bitmap claimed neighborizer.

VOTE: Bitmap

Shoot this please

[insomnia]

Why, am I being too try hardy after a scum lynch as well?

[insomnia]

VOTE: AaronFrost

Naked votes only gang

[insomnia]

Wait I lowkey didn't even know Bitmap claimed neighborizer.

VOTE: Bitmap

Shoot this please

Ok. Writing you off as today's town stubborn guy.

:3

[insomnia]

TSE locktown btw

[insomnia]

Naked votes on Aaron just like bitmap let’s make it happen please

[insomnia]

Seth is so out of his scum range

[insomnia]

How the fuck am I being voted over fucking Aaron or Chemist or Bitmap

S&W probably scum for maintaining a scum read on me this long, he’s not town, burn the slot with fire

[insomnia]

I’m actually pissed

In contrast to those 3 I’m the closest thing to an unrevealed IC

[insomnia]

Cuz I’m way townier than any of them

Call Krazy in here, you two are both scum

No way he scum reads me right now, I want some concrete opinions

[insomnia]

You two are gonna read my posts and I want a concrete fucking case so people can see how much you’re reaching

You gave two fucks about this game after the scum flip, didn’t even read my posts and are still advocating my death when Krazy knows how eazy it is to distinguish my alignment?

Nah. Get over here.

[insomnia]

You don’t even have meta on me what read even is that?

Not reading my posts, how the fuck can you gut read me if you didn’t even do that, what lmfao

[insomnia]

Idc anymore lynch me

My voters don’t even care why should i

[insomnia]

That was 6 months ago, don’t pull that on me. You have no idea what my scum game looks like and judging by you being in only my town games, I find it hard you actually gut read me scum here.

[insomnia]

But whatever you lynched Maki so you must be town now ay?

If you’re town here you’re doing nothing but flipping a coin right now

Peace out, probably not gonna invest more time casing people

PoE Chemist / Aaron / Pine

If it’s not in there

PoE S&W / Amrun / FL / RR

[insomnia]

Krazy

You’re the sole reason my wagon arised

Stop acting like it’s not you gathering the masses cuz it is

I’ve never been mislynched but I honestly could give less of a fuck aorn

You considering lynching me without even reading my posts is disgusting and I’ll never forget this if you’re town.

[insomnia]

When’s the ceremony?

[insomnia]

It is the case, people appeal to authority

[insomnia]

Like if it’s not Aaron or Chemist then we only have deepwolves

[insomnia]

Do you reveal all awards today?

[insomnia]

WhY yOu LeAvInG sO sOoN AlIsAe?
LeTs PlAy.

This post wasn’t meant to go out.
It was on hold in case Alisae didn’t speak.

Lmfao i love you seth

Thanks for keeping my sanity in check

If you weren’t defending me here I would’ve gone insane and go back to my old toxic meta

[insomnia]

Alisae I’m scum siding

Good luck winning this game!!!!!!!

[insomnia]

I mean it’s fine but nobody says why they scum read me

I know you know how I suck as scum so the thought of Krazy saying I am a good scum makes me fume

But there’s nothing we can do. If I lash out it doesn’t matter.

[insomnia]

Like I can only imagine people scum reading me for nothing

Because I can’t see what is scummy about me

And it makes me pissed cuz there’s nothing I can do to even defend myself

Although to me I’m obvtown and people not seeing that is weird to me

But whatever

[insomnia]

I can’t fight against irrationally fearmongering my slot but I’m mad cuz I think I can also help town a lot in the long run even if I’m wrong right now

And that chance being taken away just because of 8 early posts is...

[insomnia]

Well i’m having a bad game and I’m town

[insomnia]

^

Ank reads me town also because our reads are literally the same except for 1 or 2 nulls