Secret Hitler 2.0 (Fascist victory!)

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/in
I've played similar games like Cluedo but never actually played Secret Hitler. Should be fun!

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Hello.

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Take me on a magical journey

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Can I fax it to you?

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It's a lot of mechanical stuff but still relies mostly on reads and interactions

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there's literally no reason to nein as lib

if i'm fasc fasc are going to ja

are you and bitmap fasc trying to shut me out of the game?

Wrong. I'd rather let the list run down closer to me.

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libs nein rc obv fasc libs nein

Ninja Chicken Ooga Booga is a communist

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Good start. Surprised everyone voted JA though.

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Good start. Surprised everyone voted JA though.

why wouldn't they?

Typically, you want yourself to be president since you're confirmed liberal to yourself, so why not NEIN the first couple missions to let it run closer to you.

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Ausuka and Yuka, why didn't you vote NEIN instead of taking president yourself in the next two rounds?

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u nominated the one person who nein'd a lib gov?

I mean... that's not how it works. Unless the meta is to just all JA the first mission.

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Sorry, tryharding too much lul

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hectic if we all play your way we would have zero governments and we would play top deck simulator

Nah, you can still get info from voting patterns first 3 missions. So all JAing first mission gives you nothing.

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So the resistance to the Ausuka presidency is why I voted JA.
RC, how do you confirm scum in the early game?

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I received two fascists

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OH MY FUCKING GOD

Noting this for later lol

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how many presidents do we need to have again before NSG

1, but it'd have to be exactly me

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I suggest taking NSG as chancellor regardless of next president

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THing is, drawing 2 liberals does nothing to help clear NSG. She's forced to pass a liberal through unless NSG + RC are exactly both fascist and discard two liberals

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Why is NSG a high priority pick, RC? From your perspective you know she couldn't have forced two fascists through because she drew two liberals

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THing is, drawing 2 liberals does nothing to help clear NSG. She's forced to pass a liberal through unless NSG + RC are exactly both fascist and discard two liberals

sorry, explain this more?

Basically, since you drew two liberals and RC confirmed that. We know that you didn't have the option of passing RC two fascists and forcing a fascist down. I do thing the towny play is to pass both liberals through and confirm that information, but it means you get less towncred for the liberal going down.

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hectic, are you suspicious at all of ausuka after her passing you two fascist cards?

A little. It makes her slightly more likely to be fascist, but you did draw two liberals so the odds of 3 fascists were increased there.

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rc hitler

ok laundry brb

Entertaining tinfoil NSG fascist and RC hitler. Nothing serious though; don't panic guys

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hectic ausuka rc gg bye

This kinda towny though, I can see why that trio makes sense from Oka's PoV. Considering the vote going through for me and Ausuka with RC JAing. Oka maybe liberal.

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if we are a 2f government we never pass a lib policy unless it's literally 3l

that's a bad read.

Nah, if you're hitler, you don't know NSG is fascist, so there's no reason for NSG to discard one liberal and give you 1F and 1L, there's no scenario where Hitler!you discards the libral there without knowing NSG's alignment.

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Who's YukaT?

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also, explain what pair is guaranteed 1 F and why?

We have a guaranteed 1 fascist in that pairing and I wouldn't actually be surprised if that's an FF government

ausuka hectic is at least one F, possibly 2 F

Based on?

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What happened to RC hitler/fascist, Oka?

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do I nom bitmap

someone confirm my actions

I'd nom Oka tbh

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JA: rc, aus, hectic, nsg
NEIN: oka, yuka, bitmap

it PASSES lets go

This is interesting. Could implicate a RC+Ausuka+NSG thing
Based on very vocal disagreement on me being chancellor, yet it going through anyone. Just brainstorming. Oh, but Hitler doesn't know fascists do doesn't work as well

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Why are you discarding me as fascist, RC?

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Hectic seems pretty trustworthy

do I nom Hectic

I mean yeah, but people don't seem to trust me. I think Oka would be a good bet too

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honestly, this entire game seems like people making the mistake of overestimating how much planning goes into scum's actions, especially when scum can't talk and hitler doesn't know scum

Yeah, I'm realising that now lol. Lot of people here don't seem to have played much

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I'm liking RC very much for fascist now. Mostly for how he's ignoring all the stuff I'm presenting and questions I'm asking him. I don't see how he puts me as fascist here given Ausuka was the one who drew 3 fascists and I had no choice.

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i think RC is probably town this game

How come?

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I'm liking RC very much for fascist now. Mostly for how he's ignoring all the stuff I'm presenting and questions I'm asking him. I don't see how he puts me as fascist here given Ausuka was the one who drew 3 fascists and I had no choice.

It's reads based not 3F based and the fact that Ausuka was so insistent on nomming you in the first place?
I don't understand why Ausuka as fascist without you being also fascist picks you of the entire list to nominate.

Fascists don't have much incentive to pick other fascists early on. Infact, it's better to pick liberals, since you probably get the liberal-chancellor's vote because you picked them + your other fascist buddy's votes

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I NOMINATE BITMAP?

IS THIS GOOD?

No lol, why not Oka?

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Fascists don't have much incentive to pick other fascists early on. Infact, it's better to pick liberals, since you probably get the liberal-chancellor's vote because you picked them + your other fascist buddy's votes

why you though?

Idk, why not me? She said it was based on me voting NEIN previous mission. You think she picked me because we're both fascist? Why does that help us?

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This is fine. Liking FakeGod + Oka for liberal currently

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do not ja this

Why don't you want to be chancellor? I don't get it

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do not ja this

Why don't you want to be chancellor? I don't get it

because you ruin future govs i dont want rc to touch presidency he can be a chancellor

If you dislike RC for president, it means you think he could be fascist, so why is chancellor for RC fine?

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Alright, fair, Oka. Stop fascist-reading me and work me then please lol

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ooo, that's a REALLY good mission then. FakeGod most likely liberal based on all those NEINS

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i am worried that

oka just wants to conf me so that i'm discredited and can no longer push reads.

Doesn't really make sense? You confirmed means we listen to you. RC probably fascist.

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I like Hectic

he has a trusting face

<3 I like you too

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JA: hectic, fakegod
NEIN: oka, nsg, ausuka, bit, RC

FAILS, tracker 1/3

BITMAP PRESIDENT

FakeGOd should be chancellor based on this alone when we get into Hitler territory. No way the other two fascists nein this if FakeGod is hitler here. For later.

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ooo, that's a REALLY good mission then. FakeGod most likely liberal based on all those NEINS

how?

Since only me and FakeGod JAed it, and my previous post

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i am worried that

oka just wants to conf me so that i'm discredited and can no longer push reads.

Doesn't really make sense? You confirmed means we listen to you. RC probably fascist.

if this were a mafia game i would think this is a terrible read

those kinds of seeming "gotcha" inconsistencies don't really come from scum except in newbie games

I mean... it sounds like he doesn't want to be checked by the identify thing. that's a pretty damn good sign of him being fascist. RC gets checked when we get it.

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Oh, nice. Bitmap, your draw?

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Okay, I mean whatever, Oka's probably liberal here, but who you checking if you get the identify Oka?

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ok nsg is a good person

Uhhhh. I want to say why this isn't true but it's probably not worth it

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No no no no. Check RC because he's probably fascist, or me so you guys can actually listen to me <3

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ok nsg is a good person

Uhhhh. I want to say why this isn't true but it's probably not worth it

oh? why isn't it true?

You selecting the liberal out of liberal/fascsit is mostly NAI. choosing fascist puts you at a 1v1 with Bitmap and that's not worth it early game when you don't need to do that. It's very slight towncred but barely

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you want me to check someone who can force me to play blue

?? You want to check people you think are fascist here so we can ignore them. RC's a great check. I would also propose myself since I don't think you guys are trusting me until I get cleared

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actually thats better

we find a lib triangle its autowin

We have FakeGod+you as liberal, check me as the third point of the trianlge Oogle Boogle

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LOOK GUYS I PLAY SECRET HITLER A LOT THIS GAME IS ABOUT FINDING A TRIANGLE OF WINNING GOVS

YOU'RE RIGHT SO CHECK ME, I CAN ALSO BE IN THE TRIANGLE

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Anyway, I'm proposing Hectic to OkaPoka. Optimal is to take this, and then probably take Oka as president. though the discovery that Oka plays this a lot lessens my townread on him considerable lol

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Oka, you can also go Hectic to Oka
Oka to FakeGod
Fakegod to Hectic

rinse and repeat

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Propose

Hectic to FakeGod

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FakeGod is 80% liberal here.

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FakeGod is 80% liberal here.

and 95% not hitler

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I don't expect it to pass tbh

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All 3 fascists are probably NEINing me here

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why

hectic neined both liberal passing governments and jaed the only F government

Not how it works RC. I can't predict what the draw's gonna be.

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JA: bitmap, fakegod, hectic
NEIN: oka, ausuka, RC, nsg

IT FAILS, 1/3

RC PRESIDENT

XX:20

Cool, I think I'm actually willing to write Bitmap and FakeGod as strong liberal based on this

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Imagine if it's Ausuka+RC+NSG and I got this on page 3 lmao

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Imagine if it's Ausuka+RC+NSG and I got this on page 3 lmao

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wait

is hectic scum?

I trusted him

The presidency failing there is a good sign for me being liberal. Since fascists are generally gonna JA each other's missions and have an increased chance of going throuhg. Hence why I think you're liberal where your mission earlier had 5 NEINS.

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brb

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Don't TAKE RC PLS

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The check gets completed wasted if we take RC here, since he's proabbly fascist

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Ok hectic doesn't like this right?

Lul, don't tell me you're voting JA because of that

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Sigh
I tried
i really did

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We should make RC check someone he thinks is fascist. So me or Oka

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Agreed, RC?

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Oh, check me RC

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ok here's the thing hectic

from your point of view if you think that i'm scum

why wouldn't i just call you scum

i feel like you're trying to waste my investigate

we need a town in the middle block and we can TD through me/you/oka next time

Well, no. If you think I'm scum you check me and confirm to everyone 1 of us is scum . which is GREAT info for others. I think you're scum, and you think I'm scum, so it's a great check

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hectic/ausuka/rc

You're deluded to pair me with RC

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RC + NSG very likely at the very least based on how much she's been townreading him

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Ausuka made some towny posts recently so not as sure on her

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meh

Nom: RC

i think RC is more probably town than not

i think RC is probably town this game

guys. RC is town.

because you guys approved rc has a president when he was obv scumming and nsg decided that soulreading was better than finding a triangle

i don't really see how rc's play here makes sense as scum

LOOK AT THIS
No reasons given in any of these posts. Just "RC is town guys, rc town. definitely"

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Ausuka, you see nothing wrong with 541?

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meh

Nom: RC

i think RC is more probably town than not

i think RC is probably town this game

guys. RC is town.

because you guys approved rc has a president when he was obv scumming and nsg decided that soulreading was better than finding a triangle

i don't really see how rc's play here makes sense as scum

LOOK AT THIS
No reasons given in any of these posts. Just "RC is town guys, rc town. definitely"

^

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Ausuka, you see nothing wrong with 541?

No? If I scumread not giving reasons I'd have myself in a scum slot because goodness knows I haven't been doing that

Her townread feels very agenda-y and forced. She picked RC from the start and townread him throughout. Nothing from her posts show any reasons for it. NSG fascist and RC hitler makes most sense for this

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lost when we approved that ausuka hectic government tbh

i dont blame ausuka or hectic for approving that tho ftr

lul, you're expecting way too much from people who have basically never played secret hitler before
should've forgotten the trianlge idea Oogle Boogle

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also lost when rc decided to open wolf approving that gov and i was the only one who saw that was bad

Uhhh, hello? only one?

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JA: bit, ausuka, oka, hectic, nsg, fakegod
NEIN: RC

IT PASSES

NSG, why would you pass this when you trust RC and there's a conflict in RC/oKA?

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anyways the reason i trust RC is because i actually passed him 1L 1F first round

That's not a good reason. Fascists have essentially no incentive to create conflicts early on.

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Imagine if Oka-RC is scum theatre. Nah

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@hectic see that sounds convincing but I know that RC and nsg are friends so it seems possible that they'd go in hard on the townread ? That being said I don't actually know the full implications of this flip yet

Maybe that's the case but they've JAed all of each other's missions so eh

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anyways the reason i trust RC is because i actually passed him 1L 1F first round

That's not a good reason. Fascists have essentially no incentive to create conflicts early on.

oh? are you assuming that i mean that i trust him because he passed liberal over fascist? because what i'm saying is that i trust him because he claimed that he got two liberal which only worked against his town credit the entire game

Hmm? But what reason would he have to claim he got 1 fascist in the situation you pass him two liberals? He still has to put a liberal down, but then also lie and create a conflict with you. There's no incentive there.

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nsg did you have 2 blues then round 1?

i had two fascist, one liberal. i discarded the fascist, as i said. if you look back at the aftermath of government one i never claimed to have passed RC two blue, only that i discarded one red.

Wait, what??????

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RC lying there is terrible and you've just outed him lmao. RC is confirmed fascist for lying about receiving 2 liberals.

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im confirmed lib btw

You're a communist

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Thing is, NSG is pinging me more and more as newbie!liberal, but i dunno, I think we lose in that case

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RC lying there is terrible and you've just outed him lmao. RC is confirmed fascist for lying about receiving 2 liberals.

there's literally no motivation to pretend there's less liberal cards in the deck than there are and I expected to be a universal townread and have the ability to drive the game later on and use that info.

the motivation is if both you and NSG are fascist and can lie about an extra liberal being discarded and get away with it. NSG revealing it later doesn't make sense though. Also, tinfoil theory is you being hitler wanting to know if NSG is fascist, so you do a dumb lie like that and see if NSG corrects you (which she would as liberal but not as fascist more likely)

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This has been frustrating. This so much easier in real life lol

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Pretty sure NSG is open wolfing along with RC and they're both just fascist but not Hitler.

Thank you

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Pretty sure NSG is open wolfing along with RC and they're both just fascist but not Hitler.

Thank you

But RC could be hitler

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ARE YOU SCUM, OKA? You never take RC on any missions from your perspective since you know he's scum

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oof, Oka + RC actual possibility with RC as hitler then

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{NSG, Oka, RC} would be wild

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ARE YOU SCUM, OKA? You never take RC on any missions from your perspective since you know he's scum

that 1v1 is no longer a thing

But RC checked Oka as scum. They know each other are scum?

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its not about townreading rc its about the fact that i dont think he is hitler so i want to pass blue fucking polciies

that's exactly the thing which makes no sense lmao. if RC is fascist, he can just discard the one liberal passed to him if it's a 2 fascist, 1 liberal draw

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its not about townreading rc its about the fact that i dont think he is hitler so i want to pass blue fucking polciies

that's exactly the thing which makes no sense lmao. if RC is fascist, he can just discard the one liberal passed to him if it's a 2 fascist, 1 liberal draw

rc will be chancellor not president

Yeah, as chancellor. Or are you saying RC outing as fascist to someone else as well is worth there?

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Sigh whatever, this game has drained me. I hope RC is hitler here

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it doesnt matter if hectic is town we arent playing hectic

Nice agenda you pushing there. Very logical

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having correct reads in this game matters a lot less than actual mafia

only thing that matter really is finding a triangle

I gave you the triangle start of game. FakeGod+Oka+hectic

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i think hectic has best odds of being hitler

That makes no sense with how everyone's been scumreading me the entire game.

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i think that fg and hectic are like, outed at this point

Lul

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Let's skip to Bitmap. 2 flips

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ok I'll do bitmap NSG

no no no, not NSG pls

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second cup of tea has been drank

I respect that proficiency despite our differences

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Who know, maybe all my reads were garbage this game. We'll find out. Willing to bet the game on Bitmap liberal I guess

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Pick: NSG

Can you pick FakeGod please? Tehre's no way Fakegod is ever hitler here.

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Oh, God. Is it just NSG+RC+Bitmap with NSG as Hitler?

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Pick: NSG

Can you pick FakeGod please? Tehre's no way Fakegod is ever hitler here.

this is uhh

FakeGod was NEINed by EVERYONE as president. 100% not hitler

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Oh, God. Is it just NSG+RC+Bitmap with NSG as Hitler?

RIP, gg. and that's why RC did the double liberal lie. To let NSG know

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JA: bit, fakegod, ausuka, nsg, oka, RC
NEIN: hectic

NSG IS

HITLER

congrats to nsg, RC, ausuka!

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

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Imagine if it's Ausuka+RC+NSG and I got this on page 3 lmao

Imagine if it's Ausuka+RC+NSG and I got this on page 3 lmao

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That was very frustrating but genuinely well played, guys.

Oka, we need to have a word.

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JA: rc, aus, hectic, nsg
NEIN: oka, yuka, bitmap

it PASSES lets go

This is interesting. Could implicate a RC+Ausuka+NSG thing
Based on very vocal disagreement on me being chancellor, yet it going through anyone. Just brainstorming. Oh, but Hitler doesn't know fascists do doesn't work as well

I LITERALLY STOPPED BREATHING HERE BTW

This game is so much harder online lol. harder to convince people

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Also hectic calling us out so early

Goddamn you guys lol

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it was easy to solve it from your point of view though cuz you knew you were being kept on the outside so there had to be scum on the inside

i mean, you shut me out after I pinned it as you 3, so...

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the only 3f was on a fascist lol

Yeah, true. That's why it got to 5 liberal despite everyone townreadin you + NSG the whole game but me

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sorry though i got very emotional

<3

You should've put faith in me with the Hectic+Oka+FakeGod triangle

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Thanks for modding, Datisi!

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i can

give myself 10 heart attacks per minute

mod again tomorrow if the people want

Only if you promise to give me fascist.

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new game: viewtopic.php?f=156&t=82148&p=11592955#p11592955

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people were trying to shut me out of the game before i even had a policy flipped

it made me very sad.

Nothing personnel, kid. Reads/interactions based.